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(NPR)   Kids who were popular in middle school become losers in adulthood, says science geek who wasn't popular in middle school   (npr.org) divider line 149
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2014-06-13 12:32:43 AM  
I was the king of 8th grade, not so much after.... but I did just fine. No respect for authority, easy access to drugs and booze, the right look at the right time, and it was 1982. I was basically Spicoli before Fastimes at Ridgemont High came out.
 
2014-06-13 12:37:39 AM  
Let it go, nerds. Seriously ...

/dnrtfa
 
2014-06-13 04:01:44 AM  
Whatever, losers. I was Valedictorian, Prom King AND I banged the hottest teacher.

Homeschooling works!
 
2014-06-13 04:29:21 AM  
I met a girl once.  It was pretty cool.
 
2014-06-13 04:39:36 AM  

HawgWild: Let it go, nerds. Seriously ...

/dnrtfa


^this on both counts.

Who the fark cares about the popular kids from middle school of all things? And sounds like made up nonsense to boot. I know for a fact the popular people all through school ended up a mixture of amazing successes and astonishing failures alike.


Criminy.

*strokes chin whiskers*....perhaps the popular kids didn't beat certain nerds hard enough?
 
2014-06-13 04:43:36 AM  
If you're still butthurt over how badly you were treated in middle school, you're a fundamentally broken human being. Which, I bet, is why you were treated badly in middle school.
 
2014-06-13 04:47:14 AM  
khaanz.com
 
2014-06-13 04:47:35 AM  
"We call it the high school reunion effect,"

Do you?  I call it "I have a page to fill with anecdotal malarkey fraught with overtones of 'bet you didn't know that'."
 
2014-06-13 04:54:10 AM  

bunner:  I call it "I have a page to fill with anecdotal malarkey fraught with overtones of 'bet you didn't know that'."


DNRTFA

The data appears to be pretty solid. Suck it, jocks. You're under-developed, overweight, man-children cowering in mummies' basement while the superior nerdlings rule the world.

Boo-hoo.
 
2014-06-13 04:56:20 AM  
As long as 'loser' is defined as 'someone who never donates to NPR', I am sure the study NPR is reporting on is spot on.
 
2014-06-13 04:58:52 AM  
Article is nonsense.  Popular kids drink more?   So what?   Rich people drink more too.  People with Ph.D's drink more alcohol than people that never graduated from high school.    You can't just say that popular kids end up drinking more in later life and thus are unsuccessful.   It's quite possible the popular kids went to college and graduate school and make tons of money, run huge companies, and still drink and get DUIs while having sex with their hot mistresses and their hot wives while driving around in their Porches.   Since the article is nothing but anecdotes, its about as useful as tits on boar.
 
2014-06-13 04:59:43 AM  
Kids who try to act cool

Ah, there's the line that clues you in that the writer was and still is a jaded loser.

And their popularity tends to fade by the time they're 22.

Yeah, everyone's does because you're no longer in school. I bet after age 22 no one gets voted most likely to succeed either
 
2014-06-13 04:59:44 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Whatever, losers. I was Valedictorian, Prom King AND I banged the hottest teacher.

Homeschooling works!


you banged your mom? niiiice!
 
2014-06-13 05:05:59 AM  

you are a puppet: Kids who try to act cool

Ah, there's the line that clues you in that the writer was and still is a jaded loser.

And their popularity tends to fade by the time they're 22.

Yeah, everyone's does because you're no longer in school. I bet after age 22 no one gets voted most likely to succeed either


Well I'll have you know that I was Prom Queen this year!

Which is kinda odd since I'm a 50 year old guy.
 
2014-06-13 05:06:07 AM  
"By age 22, the cool group had a 45 percent higher rate of problems related to alcohol and substance use..."

Of course! Drugs and partying is what makes you cool in high school in the first place!
 
2014-06-13 05:06:59 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Whatever, losers. I was Valedictorian, Prom King AND I banged the hottest teacher.

Homeschooling works!


If you cant keep it in the pants, keep it in the family.
 
2014-06-13 05:07:48 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Whatever, losers. I was Valedictorian, Prom King AND I banged the hottest teacher.

Homeschooling works!


My lesson for tonight was that Lapsang tea out nose actually burns. thanks a lot.
 
2014-06-13 05:08:27 AM  
Yeah, fairly spot on. All the "popular" kids that I can remember pretty much wound up either knocked up and/or the dregs of the area. I wonder if this is related to what happens to a lot of child actors. All the "success" gets to their heads too early and they can't handle it, so they spiral out of control and burn.
 
2014-06-13 05:09:54 AM  
"Kids who were popular in middle school become losers in adulthood, says science geek who wasn't popular in middle school"

...and every other Farker
 
2014-06-13 05:12:41 AM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Whatever, losers. I was Valedictorian, Prom King AND I banged the hottest teacher.

Homeschooling works!

If you cant keep it in the pants, keep it in the family.


A family that has school days together, lays together

/did you always get perfect attendance?
 
2014-06-13 05:13:14 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Whatever, losers. I was Valedictorian, Prom King AND I banged the hottest teacher.

Homeschooling works!

you banged your mom? niiiice!


Do you know how I know you've never seen Mr. Nerves' mom?

/NTTAWWAGILF
 
2014-06-13 05:18:06 AM  
Here's the thing.  I could have told you with 90% reliability which people in middle school would turn out well and which wouldn't.  It mostly was unrelated to popularity.
 
2014-06-13 05:25:13 AM  

aerojockey: Here's the thing.  I could have told you with 90% reliability which people in middle school would turn out well and which wouldn't.  It mostly was unrelated to popularity.


What this guy said.
 
2014-06-13 05:26:52 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: bunner:  I call it "I have a page to fill with anecdotal malarkey fraught with overtones of 'bet you didn't know that'."

DNRTFA

The data appears to be pretty solid. Suck it, jocks. You're under-developed, overweight, man-children cowering in mummies' basement while the superior nerdlings rule the world.

Boo-hoo.


You either have an inferiority complex the size of Montana or you're really bad at trolling.   :  )
 
2014-06-13 05:27:52 AM  

Tetrazphere: Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Whatever, losers. I was Valedictorian, Prom King AND I banged the hottest teacher.

Homeschooling works!

If you cant keep it in the pants, keep it in the family.

A family that has school days together, lays together

/did you always get perfect attendance?


Came in early, pulled out late.
 
2014-06-13 05:31:09 AM  
Keep lying to yourselves, nerds. That jock in high school who tormented you isnt pumping gas, he got a free MBA for playing college ball and is now that boss who cut benefits company wide to get himself a bigger bonus.

Welcome to life.
 
2014-06-13 05:31:32 AM  

aerojockey: Here's the thing.  I could have told you with 90% reliability which people in middle school would turn out well and which wouldn't.  It mostly was unrelated to popularity.


Seems like the odds are in your favor if your categories are 'those who will fail" and 'everyone else.'
 
2014-06-13 05:33:17 AM  
Y'all been watching too many '80s movies.  The whole "jocks, nerds, stoners, blah blah blah" has f*ck all to do with real life about 20 min. after your ass hits the pavement outside your house or outside whatever college you went into hock to attend.  Beware of people who never leave school.  They have trouble learning without a template and a bigger box to graduate into.
 
2014-06-13 05:33:20 AM  
Popular is not the same as cool.

Of course chasing after being "cool" is going to cause problems. It's a ton of effort and you might end up doing stupid stuff to maintain it.

But there's absolutely nothing wrong about learning how society works and cultivating an outlook on life that results in "most people will end up thinking I'm okay".

It takes too many teenagers far too long to realise they can have a thousand nerdy/"uncool" interests and still be a functioning member of human society. There's no obligation from the rest of the world to hold you up as some paragon because you realise the peons like stupid things such as sports and beer.

Find common ground. Take some care in your appearance. Work on the things that scare you. THEN if you're still finding school hard you'll get revenge by having good college years or a decent life everywhere else.

But stop tying your happiness into seeing people get theirs. Because if you have an outlook on life like that, maybe you're not as deserving of being liked as you think.
 
2014-06-13 05:34:20 AM  

C18H27NO3: aerojockey: Here's the thing.  I could have told you with 90% reliability which people in middle school would turn out well and which wouldn't.  It mostly was unrelated to popularity.

What this guy said.


That's middle school. TFA is mostly about high school age kids.

When I was in grade school there was a kid who was not terribly bright and a bully. He wound up on probation for dealing drugs by age 20. He was neither popular nor a geek, and more typical of the kids I knew who struggled.
 
2014-06-13 05:34:43 AM  
DNRTA, but basing any study of success based on the failing, contrived disaster that is "middle school" is a bit foolish.
 
2014-06-13 05:35:55 AM  

C18H27NO3: aerojockey: Here's the thing.  I could have told you with 90% reliability which people in middle school would turn out well and which wouldn't.  It mostly was unrelated to popularity.

What this guy said.


Exactly. Its pretty easy to spot, and even much of the remaining 10% isn't from ambiguity as much as from being total wild cards. I ran with that subgroup, and it was painfully obvious that everyone in it would wind up either dead, in a crazy house, running their own corporation, or on the news for either curing cancer or blowing up a building somewhere. All you could tell for sure was that a quiet suburban existence in middle management was definitely right out. All the rest of the kids already had their futures clearly written all over them.
 
2014-06-13 05:37:14 AM  

Domino's Fiend: Popular is not the same as cool.

Of course chasing after being "cool" is going to cause problems. It's a ton of effort and you might end up doing stupid stuff to maintain it.

But there's absolutely nothing wrong about learning how society works and cultivating an outlook on life that results in "most people will end up thinking I'm okay".

It takes too many teenagers far too long to realise they can have a thousand nerdy/"uncool" interests and still be a functioning member of human society. There's no obligation from the rest of the world to hold you up as some paragon because you realise the peons like stupid things such as sports and beer.


pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-06-13 05:39:07 AM  
I thought they became goths.
 
2014-06-13 05:41:18 AM  
I don't think I could tell you people I was friends with or even knew in middle school....barely any in HS and I don't talk to any of them anymore...it's called moving on with your life.
 
2014-06-13 05:43:12 AM  

Caffeine Induced Diarrhea: Domino's Fiend: Popular is not the same as cool.

Of course chasing after being "cool" is going to cause problems. It's a ton of effort and you might end up doing stupid stuff to maintain it.

But there's absolutely nothing wrong about learning how society works and cultivating an outlook on life that results in "most people will end up thinking I'm okay".

It takes too many teenagers far too long to realise they can have a thousand nerdy/"uncool" interests and still be a functioning member of human society. There's no obligation from the rest of the world to hold you up as some paragon because you realise the peons like stupid things such as sports and beer.

[pbs.twimg.com image 515x306]


Exactly. Sports and beer are the best. But if I didn't think they were the best, at least I can appreciate most people do and I wouldn't think myself above them for it.
 
2014-06-13 05:45:43 AM  
I had my own band, weed, and a steady girlfriend when I was 7th grade, and I didn't give a dime store f*ck what any of the kids thought of me.  I was nice to people who were honest and compassionate to people who were hurting and blew off the apprentice convicts and jerks.  And that hasn't changed.  And if you still think life is a popularity chess game after school, you are a massive failure at a lot more than being popular.  I knew it wasn't when I GOT there.  Cool kid? Popular kid?  Beats the piss out of me, ask the kids I went to school with.  But I never bluffed, conned or ill used people.  None of those ladders interested me. I was busy. That article is by and for people who are still shouting "nyah nyah" at each other from across an imaginary lunch table.
 
2014-06-13 05:54:22 AM  

Vivaldi: Article is nonsense.


Article provided helpful link to study data. Before defending your wastrel existence, why not review the study itself?
 
2014-06-13 05:54:27 AM  

danielscissorhands: I thought they became goths.


The nerds or the popular kids?
 
2014-06-13 05:55:48 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Before defending your wastrel existence


So, B?
 
2014-06-13 05:56:07 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Vivaldi: Article is nonsense.

Article provided helpful link to study data. Before defending your wastrel existence, why not review the study itself?


You should be happy someone read TFA.
 
2014-06-13 06:00:18 AM  

bunner: I had my own band, weed, and a steady girlfriend when I was 7th grade, and I didn't give a dime store f*ck what any of the kids thought of me.  I was nice to people who were honest and compassionate to people who were hurting and blew off the apprentice convicts and jerks.  And that hasn't changed.  And if you still think life is a popularity chess game after school, you are a massive failure at a lot more than being popular.  I knew it wasn't when I GOT there.  Cool kid? Popular kid?  Beats the piss out of me, ask the kids I went to school with.  But I never bluffed, conned or ill used people.  None of those ladders interested me. I was busy. That article is by and for people who are still shouting "nyah nyah" at each other from across an imaginary lunch table.


I have to know, where you a large lad in school? Not asking if you were fat either. See, I wasn't a huge kid and I got picked on for a time, so I'm curious, even if I agree wholeheartedly with everything you're saying.


(and I'm not starting a fight or something, but your post reads as sarcasm...I mean....thoughtful 7th graders? Really?  If you were that well-adjusted back then, bravo and kudos, though.)
 
2014-06-13 06:00:56 AM  

bunner: You either have an inferiority complex the size of Montana or you're really bad at trolling.   :  )


The only anecdotal malarkey around here is your confusion as to the meaning of the word 'anecdotal' as it relates to your CSB view of the world...
 
2014-06-13 06:10:04 AM  

walktoanarcade: bunner: I had my own band, weed, and a steady girlfriend when I was 7th grade, and I didn't give a dime store f*ck what any of the kids thought of me.  I was nice to people who were honest and compassionate to people who were hurting and blew off the apprentice convicts and jerks.  And that hasn't changed.  And if you still think life is a popularity chess game after school, you are a massive failure at a lot more than being popular.  I knew it wasn't when I GOT there.  Cool kid? Popular kid?  Beats the piss out of me, ask the kids I went to school with.  But I never bluffed, conned or ill used people.  None of those ladders interested me. I was busy. That article is by and for people who are still shouting "nyah nyah" at each other from across an imaginary lunch table.

I have to know, where you a large lad in school? Not asking if you were fat either. See, I wasn't a huge kid and I got picked on for a time, so I'm curious, even if I agree wholeheartedly with everything you're saying.


(and I'm not starting a fight or something, but your post reads as sarcasm...I mean....thoughtful 7th graders? Really?  If you were that well-adjusted back then, bravo and kudos, though.)


I had to be that well adjusted.  I was the only person with the wiring diagrams and I wasn't wired for schadenfreude.  As far as large, I hit 5' 9" / 160 at about 12 1/2 - 13 and stayed there for years.

I got kicked around by bullies in grade school, too.  One, I split his skull open on bathroom radiators and kicked half of his ribs.  That got me a black eye at the bus stop from his ugly mutant cousin.  People pretty much stopped f*cking with me after that, though.  The principal dragged me into the office and said "he admitted he started it but you beat this poor kid half senseless.  Don't you feel bad?"  I said "No." and went home for three days suspension.

I knew school was mostly authority poses, incarceration tech, ( this wasn't the suburbs) and a lot of pedagogues whose careers had brought them to the CLE public school system.  And they resented it.

I could read at a 5th grade level by the time I was in first grade, aced the Stanford Binet at the .7 percentile and got kicked up into the Major Work program in 4th grade.  So, essentially, out of the bully tank and into the self important snob tank.

I didn't like kids when I was a kid.  And I wasn't too fond of adults.  I was never one to shop by brand name.  It sucked, I met a couple of brilliant, passionate teachers who helped me immensely and I sat through the crap the others we're offering and tried not to roll my eyes.  I emerged literate, wary, well read and sketchy at math.  But I did most of the stuff that paid off by avoiding anything resembling a social structure you fine in schools.
 
2014-06-13 06:11:39 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: your CSB view of the world..


I'm shutting off your projector now, Waldo.  That was your last nibble.  Tell your fans again how stupid everybody but you is.   :  )
 
2014-06-13 06:13:05 AM  
The thing is, most people don't amount to anything. So if you peak in highschool, yada yada, life is shiat.

All the stories about common attributes of high achievers, well,  most of them are shared by losers.
 
2014-06-13 06:14:20 AM  

wildcardjack: The thing is, most people don't amount to anything. So if you peak in highschool, yada yada, life is shiat.

All the stories about common attributes of high achievers, well,  most of them are shared by losers.


We all have the same amount of brain synapses.  If you learn to focus them on the love of learning once they start firing, you have as much of a chance as the next bloke.
 
2014-06-13 06:19:54 AM  
Frankly, I give zero farks what happened to anyone I went to high school with. They were all assholes
 
2014-06-13 06:22:42 AM  
I was a loser then and I'm a loser now.

I've therefore debunked this article.
 
2014-06-13 06:24:59 AM  
I calleth bullshiat on that article, sir.

Popular kids are generally richer or at least well-off kids and richer kids generally do better in life because they have every advantage.  The exception is the jock, but even those tend to fall along statistical lines in most schools. Many of the good jocks are just talented all round people who get good grades and have life figured out pretty well. There is, in the jock subclass, an occasional psychopath.
 
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