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2014-06-13 12:25:04 AM
Not only will customers not be getting the bandwidth they pay for, now they are going to have to share what little they do have.
 
2014-06-13 12:57:59 AM
What could possibly go wrong?

/Mommy... why is that man parked in front of our house?
//and what's he doing??
 
2014-06-13 01:03:11 AM
Wouldn't that make things harder for the NSA?
 
2014-06-13 03:37:52 AM
I'm going to assume this just just affects people who rent routers from Comcast, and not people who use their own.
 
2014-06-13 03:58:25 AM

GreenAdder: I'm going to assume this just just affects people who rent routers from Comcast, and not people who use their own.


I would assume so. I own my own, and it's password protected.

Anything else could be a recipe for trouble, because who knows WHAT people might be downloading from your address.
 
2014-06-13 04:29:27 AM

TommyymmoT: GreenAdder: I'm going to assume this just just affects people who rent routers from Comcast, and not people who use their own.

I would assume so. I own my own, and it's password protected.

Anything else could be a recipe for trouble, because who knows WHAT people might be downloading from your address.


According to the article you need a router from Comcast, otherwise they can't allow people to connect.

I have my own router, but even if I didn't, I'd get one.  All it's going to take is one compromised Xfinity account being shared among members of a child porn gang for this to backfire spectacularly.
 
2014-06-13 04:50:23 AM
And every single Comcast subscriber knows how to lock down folder, drive and printer sharing, right? Because there's no way someone will find a way to tunnel from this "service flow" channel into the main one, is there? Comcast has made sure this is completely secure, and neither the residential customers nor the persons accessing the routers from outside have anything to worry about, right?

I'm sure this is one hundred percent airtight, and nobody has anything to worry about.
 
2014-06-13 05:09:31 AM
The new router they're going to ship to enable this feature will (theoretically) have two separate IP addresses and Wi-Fi networks - one for home use and one for public (or at least subscription) use.

This is supposed to be wired into the hardware and unhackable - again, at least theoretically.
 
2014-06-13 05:18:13 AM
So glad I use my own modem and router for my Comcast service, and do not rent their equipment! They can co-opt my internet service when they pry it out of my cold, dead router!
 
2014-06-13 05:23:43 AM
In future news, walktoanarcade cancels Comcast bill.

There's an alternative up and coming in my area. (they're still a joke, but it's getting less funny more and more)
 
2014-06-13 05:24:11 AM

Two Dogs Farking: The new router they're going to ship to enable this feature will (theoretically) have two separate IP addresses and Wi-Fi networks - one for home use and one for public (or at least subscription) use.

This is supposed to be wired into the hardware and unhackable - again, at least theoretically.


Still, the pipe going into my house is only going to handle so much traffic. If I were a part of this service, and five people (the maximum allowed) were all connected to my router's hotspot at the same time, all downloading GoT like nobody's business, that would most certainly adversely affect the bandwidth available to my own network in my home. The pipe can only handle so much, unless of course Comcast were to upgrade every home connected to this service with modern fiber, and that simply isn't going to happen.

I really need to move to where I actually have choices for broadband, like Portland.
 
2014-06-13 05:31:32 AM

walktoanarcade: In future news, walktoanarcade cancels Comcast bill.

There's an alternative up and coming in my area. (they're still a joke, but it's getting less funny more and more)


No alternatives thus far in my town, but in a few years I plan to move to the Portland, OR area, which should by then have: Comcast, Verizon/Frontier, and Google Fiber, all in addition to wireless/cell phone internet. I'm hoping to jump on some of that sweet Google Fiber.
 
2014-06-13 05:34:15 AM

MmmmBacon: If I were a part of this service, and five people (the maximum allowed) were all connected to my router's hotspot at the same time, all downloading GoT like nobody's business, that would most certainly adversely affect the bandwidth available to my own network in my home. The pipe can only handle so much, unless of course Comcast were to upgrade every home connected to this service with modern fiber, and that simply isn't going to happen.


Your internal traffic will always have priority over guest surfers. The idea is that you share bandwidth you aren't using, not the bandwidth you are using.
 
2014-06-13 05:43:48 AM
The industry has been looking at this for years. This is one on the main reasons why Google street view cars were mapping wifi. Some in the industry want every router to have a back channel for cell reception. In some areas this will be useful.
 
2014-06-13 05:51:32 AM

Two Dogs Farking: MmmmBacon: If I were a part of this service, and five people (the maximum allowed) were all connected to my router's hotspot at the same time, all downloading GoT like nobody's business, that would most certainly adversely affect the bandwidth available to my own network in my home. The pipe can only handle so much, unless of course Comcast were to upgrade every home connected to this service with modern fiber, and that simply isn't going to happen.

Your internal traffic will always have priority over guest surfers. The idea is that you share bandwidth you aren't using, not the bandwidth you are using.


Because inexpensive traffic shaping hardware delivered competently by monopoly ISP barons is thing right? I'm sure this hotspot service won't be free so they have to deliver SOME bandwidth minimum which comes out of your hide. Suddenly you have two paying customers and "oh the hotspot is just for the width I wasn't using" is done and gone.
 
2014-06-13 05:55:38 AM
 
2014-06-13 05:59:41 AM
British Telecom have been doing this in the UK for a few years now.

They claim 5 million hot spots across the country.
 
2014-06-13 06:02:11 AM

Frederf: Because inexpensive traffic shaping hardware delivered competently by monopoly ISP barons is thing right? I'm sure this hotspot service won't be free so they have to deliver SOME bandwidth minimum which comes out of your hide. Suddenly you have two paying customers and "oh the hotspot is just for the width I wasn't using" is done and gone.


Actually, in my local market, at least, the plan is that if you let them install the new router and piggyback on your unused bandwidth, you get free access to the Wi-Fi hotspots from all the other installed routers all over the world. You only have to pay if you want to use it and not provide your own.

Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
 
2014-06-13 06:09:11 AM

Two Dogs Farking: MmmmBacon: If I were a part of this service, and five people (the maximum allowed) were all connected to my router's hotspot at the same time, all downloading GoT like nobody's business, that would most certainly adversely affect the bandwidth available to my own network in my home. The pipe can only handle so much, unless of course Comcast were to upgrade every home connected to this service with modern fiber, and that simply isn't going to happen.

Your internal traffic will always have priority over guest surfers. The idea is that you share bandwidth you aren't using, not the bandwidth you are using.


In my(and most users) experience I am not getting what I pay for so where is the surplus I have to share?
 
2014-06-13 06:14:03 AM
It will be a privilege to pay them to house their public router and supply it with power. Perhaps they could also raise the Xfinity subscription prices as well because I'm feeling mighty generous with my money. Perhaps I will be able to speak to Habu - I mean "Chris" - at their customer service center in "Idaho" about the great opportunities and challenges I am facing in obtaining adequate bandwidth again.
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2014-06-13 06:17:58 AM
Most cable ISPs here offer this too. It doesn't take your own bandwidth, it's completely separate. You still always get all the bandwidth you pay for.

Of course there are millions of those hotspots, so there really aren't all that many people using the on your modem. It's not at all like having the only unsecured wifi in an apartment building.

And to help irrational people make the right choice, you don't get access to those wifi hotspots unless you allow them on your modem.

Being able to cancel your cell phone data subscription is a nice bonus.
 
2014-06-13 06:24:59 AM
This is not uncommon in Europe. The 'Free' network in France provides routers with three networks...general house use, a 'secure' network, and a hotspot accessible at no cost to any Free mobile subscriber.  Of course, data plans on Europe are comparatively so cheap that it's hardly worth bothering to connect to wifi when you're on 3G.
 
2014-06-13 06:25:08 AM

red5ish: It will be a privilege to pay them to house their public router and supply it with power. Perhaps they could also raise the Xfinity subscription prices as well because I'm feeling mighty generous with my money. Perhaps I will be able to speak to Habu - I mean "Chris" - at their customer service center in "Idaho" about the great opportunities and challenges I am facing in obtaining adequate bandwidth again.
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i just got a notice that my rates were going up another 5$ this year, plus the other 15$ for my promo plan expiring. So it is now 60$ for the bare minimum plan comcast charges me for, and it cuts in and out and is unuseable at times. I have had a technician out four times and no one can fix it,
 
2014-06-13 06:29:28 AM
This has already been happening. It was noticed a while ago and chatted about on a nerd forum or two. Still shiatty.

/can't write, need coffee
 
2014-06-13 06:31:11 AM

Two Dogs Farking: The new router they're going to ship to enable this feature will (theoretically) have two separate IP addresses and Wi-Fi networks - one for home use and one for public (or at least subscription) use.

This is supposed to be wired into the hardware and unhackable - again, at least theoretically.


I hear they have made an unpickable bike lock too...

also, screw this unless I can combine multiple wifi hotspots to to speed up my up/down rate. If I have 5 times my bandwidth by combining internets then I can see a benefit. At that point, screw you I didn`t download the (nuclear power plant blueprint/child pron/entire site of `butt busters`/subscribtion to the daily mail)

Of course, this is all moot. There is a single wifi I can see and it is my own. I live not far from the exchange (<1km) and I have no competition for bandwidth meaning my internets runs full speed 24/7. For me this is only bad news.

Oh, wait I live in the UK.

Crack on America, you`re the best!
 
2014-06-13 06:36:38 AM
So just like they biatch and cry about wanting money from netflix I assumes this means customers whose routers they use will be getting a discount, right?

/Hello?
//Anyone there?
 
2014-06-13 06:55:45 AM
Step 1: send out flyer listing the default passwords to Comcast routers.
fin
 
2014-06-13 06:58:04 AM

MmmmBacon: Two Dogs Farking: The new router they're going to ship to enable this feature will (theoretically) have two separate IP addresses and Wi-Fi networks - one for home use and one for public (or at least subscription) use.

This is supposed to be wired into the hardware and unhackable - again, at least theoretically.

Still, the pipe going into my house is only going to handle so much traffic. If I were a part of this service, and five people (the maximum allowed) were all connected to my router's hotspot at the same time, all downloading GoT like nobody's business, that would most certainly adversely affect the bandwidth available to my own network in my home. The pipe can only handle so much, unless of course Comcast were to upgrade every home connected to this service with modern fiber, and that simply isn't going to happen.

I really need to move to where I actually have choices for broadband, like Portland.


The pipe going into your house can handle a hell of a lot more bandwidth than you think, let alone what you subscribe to.
 
2014-06-13 06:58:26 AM
I already can't stream game of thrones and surf the internet at the same time. Solve that first.
 
2014-06-13 06:59:00 AM

red5ish: It will be a privilege to pay them to house their public router and supply it with power. Perhaps they could also raise the Xfinity subscription prices as well because I'm feeling mighty generous with my money. Perhaps I will be able to speak to Habu - I mean "Chris" - at their customer service center in "Idaho" about the great opportunities and challenges I am facing in obtaining adequate bandwidth again.
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That bracket has always been silly.  People voting for EA or Comcast over companies that have done real, tangible damage to countless people's lives.  Yes, you got a shiatty video game or your cable bill was jacked up.  Banks like BoA illegally kicked people out of their houses.
 
2014-06-13 07:02:16 AM

UNC_Samurai: red5ish: It will be a privilege to pay them to house their public router and supply it with power. Perhaps they could also raise the Xfinity subscription prices as well because I'm feeling mighty generous with my money. Perhaps I will be able to speak to Habu - I mean "Chris" - at their customer service center in "Idaho" about the great opportunities and challenges I am facing in obtaining adequate bandwidth again.
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That bracket has always been silly.  People voting for EA or Comcast over companies that have done real, tangible damage to countless people's lives.  Yes, you got a shiatty video game or your cable bill was jacked up.  Banks like BoA illegally kicked people out of their houses.


BoA has never kicked me out of my house, but Comcast and EA have personally farked me over. I guess if you are going to be evil, be more evil to less people people than mildy evil to a lot of people
 
2014-06-13 07:05:18 AM

ilikeracecars: I already can't stream game of thrones and surf the internet at the same time. Solve that first.


Municipal fiberoptic.
 
2014-06-13 07:13:47 AM
Twc has been making plans to do this for quite some time.

GOOD LUCK BLOCKING THE POPUPS LOL
 
KIA
2014-06-13 07:22:22 AM

ilikeracecars: UNC_Samurai: red5ish: It will be a privilege to pay them to house their public router and supply it with power. Perhaps they could also raise the Xfinity subscription prices as well because I'm feeling mighty generous with my money. Perhaps I will be able to speak to Habu - I mean "Chris" - at their customer service center in "Idaho" about the great opportunities and challenges I am facing in obtaining adequate bandwidth again.
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That bracket has always been silly.  People voting for EA or Comcast over companies that have done real, tangible damage to countless people's lives.  Yes, you got a shiatty video game or your cable bill was jacked up.  Banks like BoA illegally kicked people out of their houses.

BoA has never kicked me out of my house, but Comcast and EA have personally farked me over. I guess if you are going to be evil, be more evil to less people people than mildy evil to a lot of people


If you didn't pay your Comcast bill, they would cut you off too.

Seriously, how are people upset that when you dont pay for things bad consequences ensue?
 
2014-06-13 07:29:07 AM
As always it's opt out instead of opt in.  Kudos for sticking to industry standard.
 
2014-06-13 07:39:54 AM
Kabel Deutschland already deployed that here ages ago. Calm down, Nancy. If the panicky Jerrys can live with it, so can you.
 
2014-06-13 07:41:49 AM

UNC_Samurai: ilikeracecars: I already can't stream game of thrones and surf the internet at the same time. Solve that first.

Municipal fiberoptic.


Which is why NC banned it after you guys adopted it, you know, to protect the children and stop terrorists and communism. Nothing to do with large campaign contribution at all.

Besides such an idea is considered Satanic in this area for some reason and that is why to get fibre in this city cost 20x the price.
 
2014-06-13 07:44:35 AM

KIA: ilikeracecars: UNC_Samurai: red5ish: It will be a privilege to pay them to house their public router and supply it with power. Perhaps they could also raise the Xfinity subscription prices as well because I'm feeling mighty generous with my money. Perhaps I will be able to speak to Habu - I mean "Chris" - at their customer service center in "Idaho" about the great opportunities and challenges I am facing in obtaining adequate bandwidth again.
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That bracket has always been silly.  People voting for EA or Comcast over companies that have done real, tangible damage to countless people's lives.  Yes, you got a shiatty video game or your cable bill was jacked up.  Banks like BoA illegally kicked people out of their houses.

BoA has never kicked me out of my house, but Comcast and EA have personally farked me over. I guess if you are going to be evil, be more evil to less people people than mildy evil to a lot of people

If you didn't pay your Comcast bill, they would cut you off too.

Seriously, how are people upset that when you dont pay for things bad consequences ensue?


Even if you do pay your bills, Bank of America still finds a way:
Bank of America forecloses on home paid for in cash
 
2014-06-13 08:02:50 AM
Linksys has been running a similar program for decades, and I applaud their efforts.
 
2014-06-13 08:06:32 AM
This would be a good fallback for the weekly AT&T outages in my neighborhood. Maybe I could cancel AT&T and mooch off comcast until Google sets up shop.
 
2014-06-13 08:11:56 AM

GreenAdder: And every single Comcast subscriber knows how to lock down folder, drive and printer sharing, right? Because there's no way someone will find a way to tunnel from this "service flow" channel into the main one, is there? Comcast has made sure this is completely secure, and neither the residential customers nor the persons accessing the routers from outside have anything to worry about, right?

I'm sure this is one hundred percent airtight, and nobody has anything to worry about.


Last time I heard about something similar, the idea is that it would use a different network and subnet from the customer's wifi, maybe even a different public IP, and would be distinguished from the customer's usage in a way that wouldn't affect the customer's monthly usage.  If it's that, I can see it being an ok thing.

But, I would still rather just have a bare modem from the company and my own router.
 
2014-06-13 08:18:44 AM
Don't do wireless... wired network only, so no issues here...
 
2014-06-13 08:19:19 AM
This sounds like a great idea! I love paying for the electricity and hardware needed by near monopolistic mega corporations attempting further their customer base, while simultaneously negatively impacting my satisfaction with their product!

This is a super sleazy move. If they are going to use it for their own purposes, we should be charging them rent and storage for the router... assholes. I bet customers are still charged monthly for them too. Good god is that sleazy.

Comcast ..worst company in America

How is this not obviously a corrupt and unethical idea to them? That was rhetorical...
 
2014-06-13 08:24:01 AM
If I'm ever in this position, I'd hook my own router to their's via RJ45 cable, then enclose their's in a faraday cage.
 
2014-06-13 08:26:54 AM

Perlin Noise: This sounds like a great idea! I love paying for the electricity and hardware needed by near monopolistic mega corporations attempting further their customer base, while simultaneously negatively impacting my satisfaction with their product!

This is a super sleazy move. If they are going to use it for their own purposes, we should be charging them rent and storage for the router... assholes. I bet customers are still charged monthly for them too. Good god is that sleazy.

Comcast ..worst company in America

How is this not obviously a corrupt and unethical idea to them? That was rhetorical...


1) This is only for people who have Comcast owned equipment
2) You can opt out
3) If you provide the service, you get the benefits of using the service while away from home.

What exactly is unethical about this?
 
2014-06-13 08:28:12 AM
Faraday cage, Ethernet to your own wireless router. A shame that they're supposedly trying to prevent the use of external routers now.
 
2014-06-13 08:29:46 AM

notto: Perlin Noise: This sounds like a great idea! I love paying for the electricity and hardware needed by near monopolistic mega corporations attempting further their customer base, while simultaneously negatively impacting my satisfaction with their product!

This is a super sleazy move. If they are going to use it for their own purposes, we should be charging them rent and storage for the router... assholes. I bet customers are still charged monthly for them too. Good god is that sleazy.

Comcast ..worst company in America

How is this not obviously a corrupt and unethical idea to them? That was rhetorical...

1) This is only for people who have Comcast owned equipment
2) You can opt out
3) If you provide the service, you get the benefits of using the service while away from home.

What exactly is unethical about this?


A couple providers in Canada started doing this already. The ability to opt out without receiving an additional monthly fee was very short lived.
 
2014-06-13 08:31:20 AM

b2theory: Not only will customers not be getting the bandwidth they pay for, now they are going to have to share what little they do have.


The idea is good if there's bandwidth to spare however.

But this won't effect the customers, obviously. If there isn't any surplus bandwidth beyond what the customer is paying for, then there won't be anything to share.

Who ever wrote this article is an idiot, and managed to get every thing about a completely common concept wrong.
 
2014-06-13 08:32:24 AM

TommyymmoT: Wouldn't that make things harder for the NSA?


I assume you'd be logging in with your credentials, so the NSA would still be able to verify your identity.
 
2014-06-13 08:35:24 AM
tomcatadam:

A couple providers in Canada started doing this already. The ability to opt out without receiving an additional monthly fee was very short lived.

What provider charges an additional fee for those that opt out?  What does that have to do with the current Comcast offering?
 
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