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2014-06-13 06:37:55 AM
Hey, but gas is six cents a gallon, so there.
 
2014-06-13 06:44:33 AM
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O RLY?
 
2014-06-13 07:20:42 AM
Well, that's officially the saddest shortage ever.
 
2014-06-13 07:37:30 AM
So, wrap in newspaper like fish?
 
2014-06-13 07:42:47 AM
Socialism doesn't raise everyone up, it pushes everyone down.
 
2014-06-13 07:52:15 AM

JohnAnnArbor: So, wrap in newspaper like fish?


JohnAnnArbor: So, wrap in newspaper like fish?

And then what, make ceviche with Abuela?
 
2014-06-13 07:57:13 AM

CarnySaur: Hey, but gas is six cents a gallon, so there.


So.... cremation?
 
2014-06-13 08:03:59 AM
Sounds like they don't have enough government
 
2014-06-13 08:04:34 AM
But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm
 
2014-06-13 08:09:22 AM
Sorry, four.
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2014-06-13 08:19:44 AM

Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm


Worked fine for the Soviet Union.
 
2014-06-13 08:22:34 AM

naptapper: Socialism doesn't raise everyone up, it pushes everyone down.


Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm


Came for  "it just hasn't been implemented properly", well done.
 
2014-06-13 08:24:48 AM

spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.


and don't forget Cuba
 
2014-06-13 08:33:54 AM

hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba


True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.
 
2014-06-13 08:34:17 AM

hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba


or Basque
 
2014-06-13 08:41:34 AM

spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.


Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.
 
2014-06-13 08:56:33 AM
Don't be so silly, Subby.

There's no coffin shortage, there's just a glut of corpses.
 
2014-06-13 09:02:51 AM

spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.


How about Norway?
 
2014-06-13 09:05:22 AM

hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.


You're an idiot.
 
2014-06-13 09:11:56 AM
They have 50 coffins makers for a population of 30M people. Wtf.

Interesting writeup on the coffin industry here in the US: http://www.cfsaa.org/?page=CasketIndustry

Summing up: while we have 10x the population we only have 3x the number of manufacturers. That's due to consolidation and that 1/3rd of people are cremated. So look for that in venezula.

Who am I kidding? Look for the US to be blamed for this attack on a workers paradise.
 
2014-06-13 09:13:39 AM
content7.flixster.com
a good supply of body bags

/billygoat puke

nice mbooda
 
2014-06-13 09:18:35 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

How about Norway?


Whilst Scandinavia, including Norway, has had Socialistic/Communist parties in their parliament (Denmarks Communist party is around 8-10%, and is one of the supporting parties of the current government), the form of government in all of Scandinavia has traditionally been SocialDemokratik.

SocialDemokrats sees this form of government as an end to itself, unlike Communists that sees Socialism as a bridge to a total abolishment of government, ie. a society like the Smurfs.

Also, SocialDemokrats believes in private ownership of properties and factories.
 
2014-06-13 09:21:39 AM

lelio: They have 50 coffins makers for a population of 30M people. Wtf.

Interesting writeup on the coffin industry here in the US: http://www.cfsaa.org/?page=CasketIndustry

Summing up: while we have 10x the population we only have 3x the number of manufacturers. That's due to consolidation and that 1/3rd of people are cremated. So look for that in venezula.

Who am I kidding? Look for the US to be blamed for this attack on a workers paradise.


I think they'll blame the evil capitalists for creating an artificial shortage, in a blatant attack on the revolution.
 
2014-06-13 09:36:31 AM

spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.

You're an idiot.


You are the one calling Cuba a success not me.  People do not usually try to escape form success nor do their governments have to go to extraordinary means to keep them from doing so.

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-06-13 09:39:08 AM
Well this certainly puts a nail in it, Venezuela still sucks in my book.
 
2014-06-13 09:43:28 AM

hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.

You're an idiot.

You are the one calling Cuba a success not me.


When I called you an idiot, how did you somehow take that as a sign that I'd be willing to engage you in any form of discussion? Oh, right...
 
2014-06-13 09:48:52 AM
Why can't Barry HUSSEIN Fartbongo just send some of his?
 
2014-06-13 10:19:05 AM

spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.

You're an idiot.


You mean the Cuba that USED to have a thriving middle class pre-revolution and now has shanty town shacks that the tourists never see outside of their all-inclusives?
 
2014-06-13 10:34:24 AM

ObscureNameHere: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.

You're an idiot.

You mean the Cuba that USED to have a thriving middle class pre-revolution and now has shanty town shacks that the tourists never see outside of their all-inclusives?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/cuba-middle-class_n_4260021 .h tml

Before the revolution:

75% of rural dwellings were huts made from palm trees.
More than 50% had no toilets of any kind.
85% had no inside running water.
91% had no electricity.
There was only 1 doctor per 2,000 people in rural areas.
More than one-third of the rural population had intestinal parasites.
Only 4% of Cuban peasants ate meat regularly; only 1% ate fish, less than 2% eggs, 3% bread, 11% milk; none ate green vegetables.
The average annual income among peasants was $91 (1956), less than 1/3 of the national income per person.
45% of the rural population was illiterate; 44% had never attended a school.
25% of the labor force was chronically unemployed.
1 million people were illiterate ( in a population of about 5.5 million).
27% of urban children, not to speak of 61% of rural children, were not attending school.
Racial discrimination was widespread.
The public school system had deteriorated badly.
Corruption was endemic; anyone could be bought, from a Supreme Court judge to a cop.
Police brutality and torture were common.

Source:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=389x4653650

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I think you don't really have much of an idea what Cuba was, or what it is now tbh.
 
2014-06-13 11:22:11 AM

CarnySaur: Hey, but gas is six cents a gallon, so there.


crayfisher.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-13 11:29:40 AM
Seen in Caracas:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-13 11:35:43 AM

spawn73: ObscureNameHere: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.

You're an idiot.

You mean the Cuba that USED to have a thriving middle class pre-revolution and now has shanty town shacks that the tourists never see outside of their all-inclusives?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/cuba-middle-class_n_4260021 .h tml

Before the revolution:

75% of rural dwellings were huts made from palm trees.
More than 50% had no toilets of any kind.
85% had no inside running water.
91% had no electricity.
There was only 1 doctor per 2,000 people in rural areas.
More than one-third of the rural population had intestinal parasites.
Only 4% of Cuban peasants ate meat regularly; only 1% ate fish, less than 2% eggs, 3% bread, 11% milk; none ate green vegetables.
The average annual income among peasants was $91 (1956), less than 1/3 of the national income per person.
45% of the rural population was illiterate; 44% had never attended a school.
25% of the labor force was chronically unemployed.
1 million people were illiterate ( in a population of about 5.5 million).
27% of urban children, not to speak of 61% of rural children, were not attending school.
Racial discrimination was widespread.
The public school system had deteriorated badly.
Corruption was endemic; anyone could be bought, from a Supreme Court judge to a cop.
Police brutality and torture were common.

Source:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=389x4653650

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I think y ...


Well there is an unimpeachable unbiased source for you, the "Democratic" underground.


But lets us assume it is true what was the cost of thsi success: Political dissent is a criminal activity.. lack of freedom of expression. Even artwork must be state approved lack of freedom of movement etc and in return for this success you get

SOON after Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba in 1959, goes an old Cuban joke, the signs at the Havana zoo that read "Please do not feed the animals" were changed to "Please do not take the animals' food". When the Soviet Union crumbled and withdrew its aid to Cuba, triggering the so-called "special period" that began in the early 1990s, times became even harder and the joke changed. The new signs, so the story went, begged visitors not to eat the animals.

For those who lived through it, the special period was anything but funny. Domestic cats disappeared from the streets and reappeared on the dinner table. The zoo population thinned out. "The peacocks, the buffalo and even the rhea [a South American bird that resembles an ostrich] disappeared," says a Havana resident. "The hyaenas became vegetarians, the zoo was depopulated and even the tigers had only sweet potatoes and a bit of cassava to eat."


Cubans See Their Ration Cards Get Thinner and Thinner

Standard Rations

. Figures are per person, per month. An indication of the subsidized prices is given, as well. Allowances vary from year to year,


(Source: http://cubamigo.org/merengue123/alimentacion.html) Product Quantity Price (CUP)
Rice 6 lb 0.70 / lb
Beans 20 oz. 0.32 / lb
White (refined) sugar 3 lb 0.15 / lb
Dark (unrefined) sugar 3 lb 0.10 / lb
Milk (only children under 7 years) 1 lt / day 0.25 / each
Eggs (*) 12 0.15 each
Potatoes/bananas 15 lb 0.40 / lb
(*) Only from September through December.

Meat products are distributed separately, if available, following a different rationale. These are distributed each 15 days, and usually rotate (that is, the product type changes on each delivery). Fish, beef, grinded beef (usually mixed with soy), chicken, sausages and ham fall in this category. Quantities, and prices, differ for each meat product (beef, ½ lb/person each 15 days, whereas chicken is 1 lb/person each 15 days).


It must be said that distribution is not always prompt, and product delivery is frequently delayed (for example, if one month there were no beans to distribute, they usually cumulate for next month, although this is not always the case). Such delays are most evident in beef distribution. The fact that products are not available at the bodega always, but arrive in a more or less random manner, creates long queues when products arrive, which sometimes makes buying the products a quite lengthy process. So, this required a mechanism to be invented so that people with special needs, such as pregnant women and elder citizens, had precedence on the queue. This mechanism became known as Plan Jaba (jaba being the name of a sort of rudimentary shopping bag, usually made of fabric).

SUCCESS
 
2014-06-13 11:38:33 AM

spawn73: ObscureNameHere: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.

You're an idiot.

You mean the Cuba that USED to have a thriving middle class pre-revolution and now has shanty town shacks that the tourists never see outside of their all-inclusives?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/cuba-middle-class_n_4260021 .h tml

Before the revolution:

75% of rural dwellings were huts made from palm trees.
More than 50% had no toilets of any kind.
85% had no inside running water.
91% had no electricity.
There was only 1 doctor per 2,000 people in rural areas.
More than one-third of the rural population had intestinal parasites.
Only 4% of Cuban peasants ate meat regularly; only 1% ate fish, less than 2% eggs, 3% bread, 11% milk; none ate green vegetables.
The average annual income among peasants was $91 (1956), less than 1/3 of the national income per person.
45% of the rural population was illiterate; 44% had never attended a school.
25% of the labor force was chronically unemployed.
1 million people were illiterate ( in a population of about 5.5 million).
27% of urban children, not to speak of 61% of rural children, were not attending school.
Racial discrimination was widespread.
The public school system had deteriorated badly.
Corruption was endemic; anyone could be bought, from a Supreme Court judge to a cop.
Police brutality and torture were common.

Source:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=389x4653650

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I think y ...


Nice source.  "Hey lets check to see what our chicken house security consultant Mr. Weasel says about our new fence."
 
2014-06-13 11:40:07 AM
So they're running out of supplies for fancy coffins. I guess there's no margin in cheapos.
 
2014-06-13 11:51:55 AM
MonoChango:
Nice source.  "Hey lets check to see what our chicken house security consultant Mr. Weasel says about our new fence."

You're welcome to come up with a source that refutes the statistics mentioned.

Also note I was primarely replying to the claim that Cuba doesn't have any middleclass, which is blatantly false. Ie. the link I put up to Huffington post (and again, if you don't like my sources. Do find your own.)

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I find it interesting that people are up in arms to me stating the blatantly obvious, that Cuba is doing better now than they were under the corrupt dictatorship. And that its a relative success, when you compare the life there to the rest of the shiatholes around the area, that weren't lucky enough to resist USA.

Just like you were a victim of your own propaganda in the Bay of Pigs incident (wait, Cuba build roads, and the locals won't welcome us?), you're equally a victim now.


So Cuba doesn't have the living standard of Switzerland. No shiat. No one is claiming that either.
 
2014-06-13 12:01:32 PM
spawn73:

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Kinda like that headline earlier in the week about the bear hunt being successful, for the bear.
 
2014-06-13 12:31:34 PM
How do you have a shortage of boxes? They're JUST BOXES. Make your own, you lazy farks!
 
2014-06-13 01:00:41 PM
But Hugo promised it would be a socialist paradise.
 
2014-06-13 01:54:46 PM
Cuba isn't that bad have holiday there many times.They are much better off than there neighbors Jamaica or Haiti
 
2014-06-13 02:39:19 PM
Maybe they need to get over their hangups about cremation.
 
2014-06-13 02:50:49 PM
They are right next to the ocean and they're complaining about where to dump their corpses?!
 
2014-06-13 03:12:59 PM

kling_klang_bed: They are right next to the ocean and they're complaining about where to dump their corpses?!


There are other alternatives.  Could kill two birds with one stone.

www.kaijurobot.com
 
2014-06-14 07:16:37 AM

spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: hasty ambush: spawn73: Tatterdemalian: But socialism can still work! If only some country would actually try it, one with a sufficiently valuable commodity readily available to support the economy through the initial shock of implementation.

/yes, that's sarcasm

Worked fine for the Soviet Union.

and don't forget Cuba

True. I'd consider Cuba a success as well, considering the shiathole it was prior to the revolution.

Must be why they are moving away from it and people are still building rafts to escape its success.

You're an idiot.

You are the one calling Cuba a success not me.

When I called you an idiot, how did you somehow take that as a sign that I'd be willing to engage you in any form of discussion? Oh, right...

 
2014-06-14 07:17:26 AM
 
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