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2014-06-12 03:31:22 PM
The percentage who attempted suicide in the previous year held steady at about 8 percent.

8 percent? For some reason that seems high to me. I know teens are at the highest risk for suicide and suicidal thoughts, but 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.
 
2014-06-12 03:36:58 PM

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2014-06-12 03:43:44 PM
That's a shame. I like to smoke when I am on the phone.
 
2014-06-12 04:31:26 PM
I weep for the future.
 
2014-06-12 05:13:58 PM

miss diminutive: 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.


I'd kill myself if I had to live in Minnesota, too.
 
2014-06-12 05:22:40 PM
Maybe the cell phone is the malthusian control our species needed.
 
2014-06-12 05:36:53 PM

miss diminutive: The percentage who attempted suicide in the previous year held steady at about 8 percent.

8 percent? For some reason that seems high to me. I know teens are at the highest risk for suicide and suicidal thoughts, but 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.


I hope anyone with suicidal thoughts gets help... but I'm thinking they may be playing a little loose with the stats on this one.  Maybe they're considering "seriously contemplating" as "attempted".

But yeah, I knew a lot of at-risk people when I was in HS, and no way anywhere near 8 percent attempted it.
 
2014-06-12 05:39:20 PM
See, abstinence does work.
 
2014-06-12 05:41:19 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Maybe the cell phone is the malthusian control our species needed.


But there's an Idiocracy problem again, where teens too dumb to get trapped by smartphones are the ones that breed.
 
2014-06-12 05:43:31 PM
Youth is wasted on the young!
 
2014-06-12 05:44:48 PM
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2014-06-12 05:44:59 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Maybe the cell phone is the malthusian control our species needed.


Yep. Population decline impending.
 
2014-06-12 05:45:35 PM
plus,   they are poorer.      Less money,  less stuff to do.

Mom and Dad pay for the phone on the family plan.
 
2014-06-12 05:46:53 PM
A lot of the younger people I work with dont drink or smoke......cigarettes, but they have been known to smoke other things. They still seem as intrested in sex too.
 
2014-06-12 05:48:34 PM
I sat near a 30-something couple eating lunch in the food court the other day and they both stared and pecked at their phones the entire time. I don't think they said one word to each other. farkin weird.
 
2014-06-12 05:48:48 PM
What kind of weirdo prefers tinkering around on their phone to drinking, smoking and having unprotected sex?
 
2014-06-12 05:50:13 PM

miss diminutive: The percentage who attempted suicide in the previous year held steady at about 8 percent.

8 percent? For some reason that seems high to me. I know teens are at the highest risk for suicide and suicidal thoughts, but 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.


%98 of that %8 was just for the attention.
Nothing like the thrill of showing your shallow wrist scars off to your besties at school.
 
2014-06-12 05:54:26 PM

downstairs: miss diminutive: The percentage who attempted suicide in the previous year held steady at about 8 percent.

8 percent? For some reason that seems high to me. I know teens are at the highest risk for suicide and suicidal thoughts, but 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.

I hope anyone with suicidal thoughts gets help... but I'm thinking they may be playing a little loose with the stats on this one.  Maybe they're considering "seriously contemplating" as "attempted".

But yeah, I knew a lot of at-risk people when I was in HS, and no way anywhere near 8 percent attempted it.


The key phrase is "suicidal thoughts"...when we were teenagers all of us thought, "I'll just kill myself, then they'll be sorry!" It was fun to imagine your mom weeping over your coffin, "Wahhh, if only I hadn't grounded him!"
 
2014-06-12 05:54:43 PM
I call bullshiat. The only reason kids are even on their phones so much is trying to find someone to fark or buy them booze.
 
2014-06-12 05:54:59 PM
Can we stop with the self-reporting surveys to teens already?  They're complete shiat and anybody willing to fund them does so because they're answer shopping.
 
2014-06-12 05:55:04 PM
If you think people are growing anti-social because of their cell phones, wait until Oculus Rift comes out.

VR and AI are going to take over.

The possibilities are endless for this product. It is going to change the fabric of society.

There won't be a reason for people to leave their homes. Dinner in Paris? Put the goggles on. Want to go to the World Cup? Put the goggles on. Go outside and interact with real people? Yea right.

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2014-06-12 05:57:43 PM
Back in my day we wore onions on our belts because it was the style at the time.

Also, we all got AIDS.
 
2014-06-12 05:58:16 PM

Atomic Spunk: What kind of weirdo prefers tinkering around on their phone to drinking, smoking and having unprotected sex?


Fark has a mobil app.
 
2014-06-12 06:03:10 PM
Because they don't have cars to leave the house.
 
2014-06-12 06:03:35 PM

Mark Ratner: I weep for the future.


Somebody predicted this very future....back in 1930.
s10.postimg.org

Caption: "The fascinating thing about this vision of the future from a German magazine in 1930 isn't that they envisioned smart phones and Facetime, but that they totally got the culture right: two people sitting at a table and ignoring each other while they look into their phones. Nice that they made it ergonomic and gave it a handle, too. "
 
2014-06-12 06:04:26 PM

miss diminutive: 8 percent? For some reason that seems high to me. I know teens are at the highest risk for suicide and suicidal thoughts, but 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.


You better believe it. That's because it's not environmental or psychological, so behavioral trends aren't going to put a dent into this statistic.
 
2014-06-12 06:04:42 PM

wildcardjack: ecmoRandomNumbers: Maybe the cell phone is the malthusian control our species needed.

But there's an Idiocracy problem again, where teens too dumb to get trapped by smartphones are the ones that breed.


Who knew Demolition Man would be the most prescient SciFi movie?
 
2014-06-12 06:09:37 PM
They're on the phone more because it's cheaper than getting in the car and going to see their friends/lovers etc.

They're unable to make money because all the minimum wage jobs are taken up by over-educated Gen X/Y/Millenials and people who are supposed to be farking RETIRED.

Those people are working the minimum wage job to make sure their kids have at least something in their lives, because they can't find real work because "job creators" moved everything overseas for "corporate interests" because "corporations are people too."

/QED
 
2014-06-12 06:11:21 PM

oh_please: downstairs: miss diminutive: The percentage who attempted suicide in the previous year held steady at about 8 percent.

8 percent? For some reason that seems high to me. I know teens are at the highest risk for suicide and suicidal thoughts, but 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.

I hope anyone with suicidal thoughts gets help... but I'm thinking they may be playing a little loose with the stats on this one.  Maybe they're considering "seriously contemplating" as "attempted".

But yeah, I knew a lot of at-risk people when I was in HS, and no way anywhere near 8 percent attempted it.

The key phrase is "suicidal thoughts"...when we were teenagers all of us thought, "I'll just kill myself, then they'll be sorry!" It was fun to imagine your mom weeping over your coffin, "Wahhh, if only I hadn't grounded him!"


Oh, I know.  I was there too.  That's why I caveated it with "seriously considering"... as in having a real plan, maybe even taking the first steps and then backing out, etc.

I just have a hard time believing 8 percent have done something that could literally kill them, but just got lucky and were merely hurt.
 
2014-06-12 06:14:35 PM
Don't forget gaming.  Probably not many U.S. teens that haven't spent countless hours grinding away at some game to get his toon a new piece of gear.
 
2014-06-12 06:14:56 PM

xkillyourfacex: miss diminutive: 8 percent? For some reason that seems high to me. I know teens are at the highest risk for suicide and suicidal thoughts, but 8 percent attempted in the past year? Wow.

You better believe it. That's because it's not environmental or psychological, so behavioral trends aren't going to put a dent into this statistic.


Hmmmm... but it is psychological.  I have to believe more teens committed suicide back in the day when you were looked upon as crazy for getting help.  Not sure how teens view it nowadays, but if its anything like adults- our society is MUCH more accepting of people admitting mental health issues and getting help.
 
2014-06-12 06:31:35 PM

devilEther: I sat near a 30-something couple eating lunch in the food court the other day and they both stared and pecked at their phones the entire time. I don't think they said one word to each other. farkin weird.


My brother was telling me how cool he thought it was that he could pretend to go to the bathroom during dates so he could play his iphone games in the bathroom without his date knowing while she waited for him.  FARK: He's 40 years old.
 
2014-06-12 06:32:34 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Mark Ratner: I weep for the future.

Somebody predicted this very future....back in 1930.
[s10.postimg.org image 662x410]

Caption: "The fascinating thing about this vision of the future from a German magazine in 1930 isn't that they envisioned smart phones and Facetime, but that they totally got the culture right: two people sitting at a table and ignoring each other while they look into their phones. Nice that they made it ergonomic and gave it a handle, too. "


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2014-06-12 06:39:03 PM
So much for overpopulation

Watching a movie like the matrix, those cocoons everybody is in are supposed to be horrifying. I think a lot of people these days would want one as long as it came with wifi.
 
2014-06-12 06:45:10 PM

downstairs: Hmmmm... but it is psychological


How so? suicide/suicidation is not a learned response...

People are still not accepting the presence of depressed and suicidal people, people like you who identify it as a behavioral abnormality rather than the physical disease that it is. More teens committed suicide back then because they lacked access to meds, not because society was unwilling to build support systems for them.

Case in point: I got the meds I needed now, but my family has never been anything more than ashamed of me for being depressed/suicidal as long as I've struggled. They know it's chemical. But they still treat me like I'm crazy. From others I know who suffer it's the same story.
 
2014-06-12 06:48:30 PM

AlgaeRancher: So much for overpopulation

Watching a movie like the matrix, those cocoons everybody is in are supposed to be horrifying. I think a lot of people these days would want one as long as it came with wifi.


That shiat better be high speed too. None of that "buffering" bullshiat like at McDonald's.
 
2014-06-12 06:50:19 PM

umadbro: If you think people are growing anti-social because of their cell phones, wait until Oculus Rift comes out.

VR and AI are going to take over.

The possibilities are endless for this product. It is going to change the fabric of society.

There won't be a reason for people to leave their homes. Dinner in Paris? Put the goggles on. Want to go to the World Cup? Put the goggles on. Go outside and interact with real people? Yea right.

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Almost every human experience that specifically does not require a group, would be better experienced in isolation or near isolation. This applies to pretty much everything in life. Some things cannot be replicated with a digital experience yet. Once the virtual experience is indistinguishable between the real thing and all of your senses are activated, there really won't be a need for the "real thing." Right now, we have the technology that makes malls almost entirely obsolete. The only reason Movie Theaters are still around is the fact that Movies are first released here, and to a lesser degree that screen size is a factor.

I like interacting with folks, but not random people. If I could choose exactly who I spent time with, that would be ideal. The digital experience allows folks to hang out with whomever they want in any environment they want.
 
2014-06-12 06:53:01 PM

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Oh, FFS. Where did that come from? Unbelievable. Kids today.
 
2014-06-12 06:56:01 PM

ajgeek: They're unable to make money because all the minimum wage jobs are taken up by over-educated Gen X/Y/Millenials and people who are supposed to be farking RETIRED.


FIFY! At 45, I may be a bit too young to retire...
 
2014-06-12 06:58:51 PM

xkillyourfacex: downstairs: Hmmmm... but it is psychological

How so? suicide/suicidation is not a learned response...

People are still not accepting the presence of depressed and suicidal people, people like you who identify it as a behavioral abnormality rather than the physical disease that it is. More teens committed suicide back then because they lacked access to meds, not because society was unwilling to build support systems for them.

Case in point: I got the meds I needed now, but my family has never been anything more than ashamed of me for being depressed/suicidal as long as I've struggled. They know it's chemical. But they still treat me like I'm crazy. From others I know who suffer it's the same story.


First of all, glad you got help and sorry you're still getting crap for it.

Note I said "more accepting" not "perfectly accepting".  Its just anecdotal, I'm not a psychologist and haven't read studies, etc.

Just something I've noticed.  I've had friends of all ages over the past few years perfectly willing to open up about depression, anxiety, and even suicidal thoughts.  I know some people think they're "crazy", but I have to believe its much less so now that back in the day.

I remember back when I was a kid, people were considered "crazy" for checking into the local mental hospital.  No matter what their issues were.  I remember my parents and pretty much everyone having that attitude back in the 1980s.  Now, my parents have no shame in telling me my sister checked in because of depression.  I know if this were 20-30 years ago, they would have hidden that from me and the entire family.
 
2014-06-12 07:07:19 PM

AlgaeRancher: So much for overpopulation

Watching a movie like the matrix, those cocoons everybody is in are supposed to be horrifying. I think a lot of people these days would want one as long as it came with wifi.


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Don't forget the jumbo soda.
 
2014-06-12 07:16:50 PM
Farking ameteurs
 
2014-06-12 07:28:31 PM

downstairs: xkillyourfacex: downstairs: Hmmmm... but it is psychological

How so? suicide/suicidation is not a learned response...

People are still not accepting the presence of depressed and suicidal people, people like you who identify it as a behavioral abnormality rather than the physical disease that it is. More teens committed suicide back then because they lacked access to meds, not because society was unwilling to build support systems for them.

Case in point: I got the meds I needed now, but my family has never been anything more than ashamed of me for being depressed/suicidal as long as I've struggled. They know it's chemical. But they still treat me like I'm crazy. From others I know who suffer it's the same story.

First of all, glad you got help and sorry you're still getting crap for it.

Note I said "more accepting" not "perfectly accepting".  Its just anecdotal, I'm not a psychologist and haven't read studies, etc.

Just something I've noticed.  I've had friends of all ages over the past few years perfectly willing to open up about depression, anxiety, and even suicidal thoughts.  I know some people think they're "crazy", but I have to believe its much less so now that back in the day.

I remember back when I was a kid, people were considered "crazy" for checking into the local mental hospital.  No matter what their issues were.  I remember my parents and pretty much everyone having that attitude back in the 1980s.  Now, my parents have no shame in telling me my sister checked in because of depression.  I know if this were 20-30 years ago, they would have hidden that from me and the entire family.


There is a big difference between depression, and clinical depression. I think we greatly over medicate individuals that have no businesses being medicated. Most of us enjoy luxuries and a lifestyle where we have absolutely no business being depressed. Almost every farking female in my office takes medication for depression. It is a bunch of horeshiat. The individuals that are contemplating suicide, have attempted it, want to drown their babies, or want to kill other human beings - they need help. The people that truly need help or medication are farking crazy.
 
2014-06-12 08:03:23 PM

AlgaeRancher: So much for overpopulation

Watching a movie like the matrix, those cocoons everybody is in are supposed to be horrifying. I think a lot of people these days would want one as long as it came with wifi.


www.terrilynnesmiles.com
 
2014-06-12 11:09:02 PM

the money is in the banana stand: downstairs: xkillyourfacex: downstairs: Hmmmm... but it is psychological

How so? suicide/suicidation is not a learned response...

People are still not accepting the presence of depressed and suicidal people, people like you who identify it as a behavioral abnormality rather than the physical disease that it is. More teens committed suicide back then because they lacked access to meds, not because society was unwilling to build support systems for them.

Case in point: I got the meds I needed now, but my family has never been anything more than ashamed of me for being depressed/suicidal as long as I've struggled. They know it's chemical. But they still treat me like I'm crazy. From others I know who suffer it's the same story.

First of all, glad you got help and sorry you're still getting crap for it.

Note I said "more accepting" not "perfectly accepting".  Its just anecdotal, I'm not a psychologist and haven't read studies, etc.

Just something I've noticed.  I've had friends of all ages over the past few years perfectly willing to open up about depression, anxiety, and even suicidal thoughts.  I know some people think they're "crazy", but I have to believe its much less so now that back in the day.

I remember back when I was a kid, people were considered "crazy" for checking into the local mental hospital.  No matter what their issues were.  I remember my parents and pretty much everyone having that attitude back in the 1980s.  Now, my parents have no shame in telling me my sister checked in because of depression.  I know if this were 20-30 years ago, they would have hidden that from me and the entire family.

There is a big difference between depression, and clinical depression. I think we greatly over medicate individuals that have no businesses being medicated. Most of us enjoy luxuries and a lifestyle where we have absolutely no business being depressed. Almost every farking female in my office takes medication for depression. It is a bunch of horeshiat. The individuals that are contemplating suicide, have attempted it, want to drown their babies, or want to kill other human beings - they need help. The people that truly need help or medication are farking crazy.


First of all, fark you and your broad brush. I've never been suicidal or wanted to hurt my babies, but I went through an awful 2-3 year period of apathetic depression that made it difficult to even get up in the morning and shower. It's likely genetic, as my father has a lifelong history of undiagnosed depression and mania, but it may also be PTSD, as that same father let those feelings turn him into a monster that beat the shiat out of us. My earliest memory is of him knocking over my high chair because I wouldn't eat my peas. Given the high % of women who are abused growing up, I'd give your coworkers the benefit of the doubt.

That being said, I agree that we over medicate. I forced myself to join a local orchestra and start volunteering at my kids' school, exercisin and chasing hobbies, and I have been doing much better. Meds should only be used in severe cases or when other methods have been exhausted. They are prescribed far too flippantly. My family md tried to give me Prozac when I complained of a sleeping problem at 19. Quack.
 
2014-06-13 02:33:35 AM

devilEther: I sat near a 30-something couple eating lunch in the food court the other day and they both stared and pecked at their phones the entire time. I don't think they said one word to each other. farkin weird.


I don't think it unusual at all.  In fact, I find it unusual when I see a group of 4 young adults together at a restaurant and there's less than 3 of them on their phone within a minute of sitting down.
 
2014-06-13 03:11:46 AM
YOLO.

Yeah, today's teens sound pretty farking lame.
 
2014-06-13 04:22:10 AM
You ever see a teenager lose a phone before?  Talk about the fear of God, it's almost comical.  But in reality it's just friggin sad - that their phone is the ONLY thing tying their entire life together.
 
2014-06-13 04:45:13 AM

the money is in the banana stand: There is a big difference between depression, and clinical depression. I think we greatly over medicate individuals that have no businesses being medicated. Most of us enjoy luxuries and a lifestyle where we have absolutely no business being depressed. Almost every farking female in my office takes medication for depression. It is a bunch of horeshiat. The individuals that are contemplating suicide, have attempted it, want to drown their babies, or want to kill other human beings - they need help. The people that truly need help or medication are farking crazy.


Yes. Let's apply the same logic to those overwhelmingly popular statins and vitamin D supplements, and watch the savings add up! Only those at the most extremely high risk for cardiovascular events should take them! Any disease state less severe than a full-blown immediate crisis should be ignored!
 
2014-06-13 10:41:22 AM

Mark Ratner: I weep for the future.


Why?
Teens are getting smarter and healthier and that just totally shatters your brain?

As a teen who didn't drink (well, until 19), smoke, or get especially freaky with the females at the time, things turned out just fine for me.
 
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