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(Huffington Post)   American Catholic bishops decide they ain't listening to no socialist, even if he IS the freaking Pope   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-06-12 05:14:47 PM  
17 votes:
Hey, when you've been ignoring Jesus for so long, ignoring the pope is easy.
2014-06-12 05:10:02 PM  
9 votes:
Because helping the poors doesn't fill the collection plate like hatred.
2014-06-12 06:10:14 PM  
6 votes:
How about this....STOP RAPING CHILDREN, Then maybe you can have  say about abortion and gay people.
2014-06-12 06:04:39 PM  
5 votes:

R.A.Danny: Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.


Actually, historically speaking, until the 20th century, a fetus wasn't human until it was born. The soul didn't enter until the quickening. (First breath, cry)

It was doctors who discovered that children was far more biologically fare more advanced in development than first thought.
2014-06-12 04:00:23 PM  
5 votes:
"The question of abortion will remain as very important," said Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, Texas, after the vote at the national assembly in New Orleans. "There are pillars to the house and it is one of the pillars."

Yeah, Jesus really railed on and on and on about abortion. That guy never farking shut up about it.
2014-06-12 03:34:18 PM  
5 votes:
Sounds like they need to be busted down to Thursday night vespers.
2014-06-12 06:15:42 PM  
4 votes:
Let's not forgot that Jesus was one of the original Socialists.
2014-06-12 06:21:53 PM  
3 votes:
Jesus  ~  W A S  ~  a socialist, you twats.
2014-06-12 06:16:46 PM  
3 votes:
Liberals really want the pope to be something he is not.

He opposes homosexuality. He opposes abortion.
Don't fool yourselves.
2014-06-12 06:04:59 PM  
3 votes:
Good.

Anything that hastens the Catholic Church's slide into complete irrelevance is fine with me.
2014-06-12 06:26:17 PM  
2 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Good.

Anything that hastens the Catholic Church's slide into complete irrelevance is fine with me.


Don't hold your breath.
There are around 1.2 billion Catholics in the world and around 75 million in the United States, where they make up almost a quarter of the total population.
2014-06-12 06:25:38 PM  
2 votes:

xkillyourfacex: Liberals really want the pope to be something he is not.

He opposes homosexuality. He opposes abortion.
Don't fool yourselves.


No, I'm not fooling myself.

But he also pointed out (rightly) that the bible talked about social justice, and aiding the poor, waaaaayyyy farking more than it talked about Abortion, or gay people. A LOT more.
2014-06-12 06:14:55 PM  
2 votes:
"The question of abortion will remain as very important," said Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, Texas, after the vote at the national assembly in New Orleans. "There are pillars to the house and it is one of the pillars."

Abortion is bad, birth control is bad, gay is bad. So, naturally, you held your annual conference in what could be described as one of the most proudly wicked cities in America. Great choice!
2014-06-12 04:14:08 PM  
2 votes:
Enjoy your excommunication,
2014-06-13 06:08:50 AM  
1 vote:
So helping people universally, raising up the poorest among us, decrying those who sell in churches - socialist values and also lessons of jesus are what american bishops are against?

sounds about right.

Damn America, you stoopid...
2014-06-13 01:18:17 AM  
1 vote:

FormlessOne: stan unusual: FormlessOne: R.A.Danny: Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.

Good luck with that. This isn't about religion - it's about power. The CatholicsBishopsin the United States are firmly welded to the Republican right, and they know, full well, that religious & political power march hand in hand.


Out past the altar rail, the politics are far less uniform.

Really? Looked like a fairly uniform crowd in that room - they're even dressed the same. I don't care how far the flock wanders from the altar - if the asshole behind it is preaching hate, and the flock still shows up, how much more am I supposed to respect the flock compared to the shepherd?


There are more than on type of Catholic. The "give all your possessions away and follow me" Bleeding Heart Liberal Catholic (of which it looks like the pope is a member and my grandmother was, too), and the "suffering brings you closer to Jesus" aka Bootstrappy Republican Catholic which my parents are.

I'm a recovered Catholic.
2014-06-12 11:44:02 PM  
1 vote:

praxis44241: So the church is now run like a governmet now, where the legislative power can c*ck block the executive office?
At what point did these bishops get the right to veto the Pope?


FormlessOne:  Here's to hoping Pope Francis has enough balls to de-frock the assholes over here that are gleefully ignoring his edicts.

The Church doesn't work that way.  It's a common error to think that the Pope has some sort of CEO/general/dictator-like authority, but that's no so.  Granted, even though I'm writing this I don't claim to fully understand it.  Catechism isn't what it was in my parents' day (for better and worse).

When it comes to understanding the Pope's position in the Church vis a vis the other bishops, it helps to think of the phrase "first among equals."  The bishops are all considered to be inheritors of the offices of the Twelve Apostles.  The Pope is just another bishop; what makes his role special is that he's considered to have inherited the bishopric of Peter, the "head" Apostle.

And it's true that he is more than just the nominal head; his seat carries more weight and he does speak for the Church.  But the other bishops don't have to accede to everything he says.  They can disagree and engage in discussion about almost anything.  Even the principle of papal infallibility is misunderstood; it doesn't refer to "everything the Pope says," but has very specific conditions for use, and is rarely invoked.

Unfortunately, under the previous few popes, the American Catholic Church was packed with largely very conservative bishops.  Even a lot of our seminaries were placed under conservative leadership.  What needs to happen is for Pope Francis to stick around for a couple of decades so that he can start installing more open-minded bishops as the current ones retire.

Think of the Pope as Aramis, of The Three Musketeers.  Athos, Porthos, and Aramis are all equals, but the first two tend to defer to Aramis a lot.  Still, if they really disagreed with him about something, there's nothing preventing them from voicing that disagreement and staking out another position.
2014-06-12 09:48:43 PM  
1 vote:
Yay! politics first!
2014-06-12 09:28:39 PM  
1 vote:

R.A.Danny: Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.


Good luck with that. This isn't about religion - it's about power. The Catholics in the United States are firmly welded to the Republican right, and they know, full well, that religious & political power march hand in hand.

All that article said was "the American Catholics still have your back, Republicans, no matter what our religious leader says." That's it. This is a reaffirmation of political support - that's why it's done on election years, and that's why it hits all the hot-button political issues, even in direct opposition to their own tenets and leadership.

Here's to hoping Pope Francis has enough balls to de-frock the assholes over here that are gleefully ignoring his edicts.
2014-06-12 08:23:25 PM  
1 vote:

Dougie AXP: and if that were to happen I would gladly return to the Roman Catholic side again. The reason I left is because I got tired of the rhetoric focusing on people lives and behavior rather than focusing on social justice and truly helping the poor. It was easier to affect change by myself and the bonus was I got to sleep in on Sundays


As an always-atheist I don't understand this.

There are some basic required tenets of Roman Catholicism that you cannot access anywhere but through the Church (e.g. confession, holy communion, baptism/confirmation).  You either believe the Church's teachings that those things are necessary to correctly follow Christ and ensure your salvation, or you don't.

So what you're saying one of these two things:

1. I have deliberately chosen to be a heretic because even though I believe the church's teachings, my disagreement over gays and abortion is more important than the fate of my eternal soul.

or

2. I don't actually believe the teachings of the church, and so it's no big deal that I've left the church, but will happily re-engage as if I actually believed it, if the church changes their minds about gays and abortion.


It's very impressive if you've chosen eternal damnation on behalf of social justice.  But I rather suspect the truth is number two - you don't actually believe a lot of what the Roman Catholic church teaches and you don't think you're going to hell by removing yourself from the church.

So now you've left, why ever go back at all?

I'm not attacking you personally, so please don't feel like you need to defend your personal actions.  I'm just using your post as a jumping off point to express my bafflement at the number of Christians who clearly don't believe even half of what their churches teach, but they keep on going back anyway and going through the motions as if they did.
2014-06-12 06:39:55 PM  
1 vote:
If Altar Boys could get pregnant there'd be a Patron Saint of Abortion.
2014-06-12 06:28:13 PM  
1 vote:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Good.

Anything that hastens the Catholic Church's slide into complete irrelevance is fine with me.


So, what church are you a member of?
2014-06-12 06:24:39 PM  
1 vote:

xkillyourfacex: Liberals really want the pope to be something he is not.

He opposes homosexuality. He opposes abortion.
Don't fool yourselves.


Buddy Jesus didn't convert you yet? He doesn't even wear the big hat! He's lovable!
Seriously though I just got back from the Rome and those farkers at the vatican have way too much money.
2014-06-12 06:24:33 PM  
1 vote:

Snarfangel: Isitoveryet: xkillyourfacex: Liberals really want the pope to be something he is not.

He opposes homosexuality. He opposes abortion.
Don't fool yourselves.

and he's entitled to his opinion, as is everyone, and when you publicly announce that opinion, prepare for the public backlash.

/I have nothing but respect for the current Pope, more so than i have had for any religious leader, ever.


More than...Jesus?


he was a bit before my time.

/agnostic
2014-06-12 06:23:08 PM  
1 vote:
"There are pillars to the house of the rising sun, and my penis is one of the pillars."

They just had to have the conference in NOLA, didn't they? Enjoy the Quarter to the fullest whilst on break from your little sewing circle jerk, assholes.
2014-06-12 06:20:17 PM  
1 vote:

xkillyourfacex: Liberals really want the pope to be something he is not.

He opposes homosexuality. He opposes abortion.
Don't fool yourselves.


and he's entitled to his opinion, as is everyone, and when you publicly announce that opinion, prepare for the public backlash.

/I have nothing but respect for the current Pope, more so than i have had for any religious leader, ever.
2014-06-12 06:17:55 PM  
1 vote:

Isitoveryet: meat0918: Isitoveryet: in America this world, if the Religious message doesn't jive with local political message, there's going to be a problem, m'kay?

Hell, if it weren't for the American versions of Religion, people would be asking the question, "what's a Republican".

FTFY

darn it meat, i'm trying to bash American religions and their hate filled message, not the worlds hate filled messages!


I'm a former Catholic myself.

I amazed how many people still fill the pews every Sunday, blissfully reverent, then go on ignoring everything they've been asked to do.

I was once told by the daughter of a Baptist minister that the real difference and source of the hate between the sects was "Catholics are rich, Baptists are poor, simple as that".

It's not that simple, but it is amusing.
2014-06-12 06:17:52 PM  
1 vote:

Lando Lincoln: "The question of abortion will remain as very important," said Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, Texas, after the vote at the national assembly in New Orleans. "There are pillars to the house and it is one of the pillars."

Yeah, Jesus really railed on and on and on about abortion. That guy never farking shut up about it.


Jesus didn't rail on about a lot of stuff, because he didn't need to teach people about what they already knew.

Remember, when he said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", he was talking to people who actually stoned wrong-doers.
2014-06-12 06:14:59 PM  
1 vote:
Of course they aren't going to listen, they make too much donation cash from derpy derps, and gain too much personal glory and status fighting the "evil abortionists".

But, when they drive it to a point of actually having a schism, they'll just end up another derpy protestant sect and will continue to fade into obscurity. So it's all good.
2014-06-12 06:14:26 PM  
1 vote:

Dragonflew: American Bishops Keep Focus On Abortion And Gays

What about the kiddy-diddling? Won't someone think of the children?


They are thinking of the children.

The young, soft, tender, sweet, sweet children.Especially the boys.

And that's the farking problem!
2014-06-12 06:14:08 PM  
1 vote:
Wow, the GOP contagion has really polluted everything it touches, hasn't it.
2014-06-12 06:11:23 PM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: Hey, when you've been ignoring Jesus for so long, ignoring the pope is easy.


Maybe there should be some sort of inquisition to get these bishops back in line? They can't be expecting that.
2014-06-12 06:07:57 PM  
1 vote:
Wow...I'm going to be using that train wreck picture a lot today!
2014-06-12 04:25:41 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: shisming


I imagine that's how "schisming" would sound if one had had about 35 communions in a day.
2014-06-12 04:04:37 PM  
1 vote:
Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.
2014-06-12 03:52:57 PM  
1 vote:
Well, OK.  As long as they also continue to sexually abuse people.
 
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