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2014-06-12 06:26:54 PM  
Hey!  Who ever said that professional Christians should ever have to pay the least bit of attention to the teachings of Christ, anyway??
 
2014-06-12 06:28:13 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Good.

Anything that hastens the Catholic Church's slide into complete irrelevance is fine with me.


So, what church are you a member of?
 
2014-06-12 06:32:27 PM  
The Pope is infallible. Except when they decide he's not.
 
2014-06-12 06:32:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Gecko Gingrich: MaudlinMutantMollusk: shisming

I imagine that's how "schisming" would sound if one had had about 35 communions in a day.

I'd gladly go for 35 small cups of wine right now.


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Yes, please. It'll help wash down the chicharrones.
 
2014-06-12 06:35:39 PM  

fusillade762: The Pope is infallible. Except when they decide he's not.


The catholic church is a lot like McDonald's.  They're in the real estate business and when they change the menu, tough sh*t.
 
2014-06-12 06:35:43 PM  
"The question of abortion will remain as very important," said Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston

Hey Dan, it's not your body so fark off.
 
2014-06-12 06:37:24 PM  

C18H27NO3: "The question of abortion will remain as very important," said Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston

Hey Dan, it's not your body so fark off.


You know, about that, guys got a stake in that too or there would BE no fetuses and using it as a political football, ostensibly in the interest of women, is sort of shameful.  You can't make a baby with mayo and a turkey baster, ladies.  Play fair.
 
2014-06-12 06:38:23 PM  
Which American city will be the throne for the New Western Schism?
 
2014-06-12 06:39:55 PM  
If Altar Boys could get pregnant there'd be a Patron Saint of Abortion.
 
2014-06-12 06:39:58 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Which American city will be the throne for the New Western Schism?


I vote for Philly.  They got the architecture.
 
2014-06-12 06:41:28 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If Altar Boys could get pregnant there'd be a Patron Saint of Abortion.


Our Lady of the Dilation and Curettage?
 
2014-06-12 06:42:13 PM  
If there is a schism then what remains of the catholic church in America will split into about a million independent sects. Probably better that way as you can only sue an individual sect for molestation.
 
2014-06-12 06:48:50 PM  
GHOSTBUSTERS!

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2014-06-12 06:56:45 PM  
Keep on farking that chicken, American Bishops. It's not like this Pope is going to go, "Oh, you guys. I was just kidding. Do what ever you want."

I wonder if the Pope lays down the hammer and the next Pope picks it up and does the same thing while the American Bishops kick and scream, could we be seeing a new branch of Catholicism being born? One that no longer follows the Pope but has an American leader. Like you have Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox and now American Orthodox.
 
2014-06-12 07:02:35 PM  

mekki: could we be seeing a new branch of Catholicism being born? One that no longer follows the Pope but has an American leader. Like you have Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox and now American Orthodox


"The nature of orthodoxy is that it's capacity for change is limited."  Orthodoxy is usually very much about stagnation.  "We got off the bus here, and you should, too."
 
2014-06-12 07:03:48 PM  
i1.huffpost.com
If everyone would just suck the dick to the left of them, they could get over this gay issue and be happy.
 
2014-06-12 07:05:24 PM  

xkillyourfacex: Liberals really want the pope to be something he is not.

He opposes homosexuality. He opposes abortion.
Don't fool yourselves.


True,  but he's more hate the sin,  but not the sinner kind of guy,  as opposed to hunt down the sinner and kill him, and everyone around him for 10 miles.
 
2014-06-12 07:07:34 PM  

mekki: Keep on farking that chicken, American Bishops. It's not like this Pope is going to go, "Oh, you guys. I was just kidding. Do what ever you want."

I wonder if the Pope lays down the hammer and the next Pope picks it up and does the same thing while the American Bishops kick and scream, could we be seeing a new branch of Catholicism being born? One that no longer follows the Pope but has an American leader. Like you have Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox and now American Orthodox.


and if that were to happen I would gladly return to the Roman Catholic side again. The reason I left is because I got tired of the rhetoric focusing on people lives and behavior rather than focusing on social justice and truly helping the poor. It was easier to affect change by myself and the bonus was I got to sleep in on Sundays
 
2014-06-12 07:08:52 PM  
Will they roll out Buddy Christ?
 
2014-06-12 07:10:44 PM  

meat0918: Isitoveryet: meat0918: Isitoveryet: in America this world, if the Religious message doesn't jive with local political message, there's going to be a problem, m'kay?

Hell, if it weren't for the American versions of Religion, people would be asking the question, "what's a Republican".

FTFY

darn it meat, i'm trying to bash American religions and their hate filled message, not the worlds hate filled messages!

I'm a former Catholic myself.

I amazed how many people still fill the pews every Sunday, blissfully reverent, then go on ignoring everything they've been asked to do.

I was once told by the daughter of a Baptist minister that the real difference and source of the hate between the sects was "Catholics are rich, Baptists are poor, simple as that".

It's not that simple, but it is amusing.


Actually, in the South the choice of church reflects socioeconomic status (and associations of class) as well as actual beliefs. The Baptist and Lutheran churches tend to be low-class, while the Presbyterians and Episcopalians are associated with wealth and good breeding.
 
2014-06-12 07:12:18 PM  

xkillyourfacex: Liberals really want the pope to be something he is not.

He opposes homosexuality. He opposes abortion.
Don't fool yourselves.


He thinks capitalism run amok, and the lack of focus on mercy and compassion is a problem.

In the context of America politcs at least that is a push for "liberal" politicians.
 
2014-06-12 07:21:46 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "The question of abortion will remain as very important," said Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, Texas, after the vote at the national assembly in New Orleans. "There are pillars to the house and it is one of the pillars."

Yeah, Jesus really railed on and on and on about abortion. That guy never farking shut up about it.



To be fair, the guy didn't say anything about Popes either.

/splitters!
 
2014-06-12 07:22:21 PM  
The bishops are on the losing side of this one and it's going to cost them in the long run.  Catholics already tend to be highly a la carte.  This is only going to drive more to the menu if not right out of the church itself.
 
2014-06-12 07:22:32 PM  

Russ1642: If there is a schism then what remains of the catholic church in America will split into about a million independent sects. Probably better that way as you can only sue an individual sect for molestation.


Even Butt Sects?
 
2014-06-12 07:26:54 PM  
American Catholic bishops defying the Pope to carry out Jerry Falwell's agenda. Huh.
 
2014-06-12 07:28:48 PM  
FTFA:

The bishops also voted to renew their committee on religious liberty forcing their views on others, which has led their campaign for broader protection for religious charities and for individual business owners with religious objections to birth control, same-sex marriage and other issues.

With a correction for the turh.
 
2014-06-12 07:29:36 PM  
OgreMagi: FTFA:

The bishops also voted to renew their committee on religious liberty forcing their views on others, which has led their campaign for broader protection for religious charities and for individual business owners with religious objections to birth control, same-sex marriage and other issues.

With a correction for the turh truth.

Preview is my friend.  Damn it.
 
2014-06-12 07:41:23 PM  
"FOR THE TURH!"

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2014-06-12 07:47:01 PM  
This is why there once was a holy roman empire. Do you know how many property volume expansions had to take place just to separate church and state the last time?
 
2014-06-12 07:53:32 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Let the shisming commence!


Fo' shism, ma nism!
 
2014-06-12 08:08:32 PM  
Taking a page, or several, from the Southern Baptist playbook, I see.

(1) Be stupid.
(2) Don't be smart
(3) Repress daily.
(4) Make women have babies they don't want, don't need, can't care for
(5) Make the means of preventing those babies in the first place as difficult as possible.
(6) Worry about the gays, because they're behind all this, somehow.
 
2014-06-12 08:12:07 PM  

GleeUnit: No gay rights:  Check
No abortion:  Check
No contraception:  Check

No f*cking little boys:


Bishops: Whoa whoa whoa hold on there! He can't do that. He just did? What's that? Lalalalala I can't hear you.

The Pope: I said...

Bishops: CAN'T HEAR YOU!
 
2014-06-12 08:20:15 PM  

MechaPyx: GleeUnit: No gay rights:  Check
No abortion:  Check
No contraception:  Check

No f*cking little boys:

Bishops: Whoa whoa whoa hold on there! He can't do that. He just did? What's that? Lalalalala I can't hear you.

The Pope: I said...

Bishops: CAN'T HEAR YOU!


They didn't know it was illegal.

Archbishop Robert Carlson testified during a deposition last month that he was not sure in 1984, when he heard accusations of clergy sex abuse as an auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, that such relations were against the law.

Did we get a Fark thread on that one?
 
2014-06-12 08:23:25 PM  

Dougie AXP: and if that were to happen I would gladly return to the Roman Catholic side again. The reason I left is because I got tired of the rhetoric focusing on people lives and behavior rather than focusing on social justice and truly helping the poor. It was easier to affect change by myself and the bonus was I got to sleep in on Sundays


As an always-atheist I don't understand this.

There are some basic required tenets of Roman Catholicism that you cannot access anywhere but through the Church (e.g. confession, holy communion, baptism/confirmation).  You either believe the Church's teachings that those things are necessary to correctly follow Christ and ensure your salvation, or you don't.

So what you're saying one of these two things:

1. I have deliberately chosen to be a heretic because even though I believe the church's teachings, my disagreement over gays and abortion is more important than the fate of my eternal soul.

or

2. I don't actually believe the teachings of the church, and so it's no big deal that I've left the church, but will happily re-engage as if I actually believed it, if the church changes their minds about gays and abortion.


It's very impressive if you've chosen eternal damnation on behalf of social justice.  But I rather suspect the truth is number two - you don't actually believe a lot of what the Roman Catholic church teaches and you don't think you're going to hell by removing yourself from the church.

So now you've left, why ever go back at all?

I'm not attacking you personally, so please don't feel like you need to defend your personal actions.  I'm just using your post as a jumping off point to express my bafflement at the number of Christians who clearly don't believe even half of what their churches teach, but they keep on going back anyway and going through the motions as if they did.
 
2014-06-12 08:27:34 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: R.A.Danny: Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.

Actually, historically speaking, until the 20th century, a fetus wasn't human until it was born. The soul didn't enter until the quickening. (First breath, cry)

It was doctors who discovered that children was far more biologically fare more advanced in development than first thought.


St Thomas Aquinas argued that ensoulment occurred at quickening which was when movement in the womb could be detected, not at drawing breath.
 
2014-06-12 08:29:19 PM  

stan unusual: St Thomas Aquinas argued that ensoulment occurred at quickening ...


... and that there can be only one.
 
2014-06-12 08:31:08 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Lionel Mandrake: Hey, when you've been ignoring Jesus for so long, ignoring the pope is easy.

Maybe there should be some sort of inquisition to get these bishops back in line? They can't be expecting that.


I never thought that a return of the Inquisition could possibly be a good thing, but they've made me rethink that.  The Comfy Chair isn't what I had in mind, but I'm down with the ruthless efficiency.
 
2014-06-12 08:34:34 PM  

stan unusual: Darth_Lukecash: R.A.Danny: Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.

Actually, historically speaking, until the 20th century, a fetus wasn't human until it was born. The soul didn't enter until the quickening. (First breath, cry)

It was doctors who discovered that children was far more biologically fare more advanced in development than first thought.

St Thomas Aquinas argued that ensoulment occurred at quickening which was when movement in the womb could be detected, not at drawing breath.


Which isn't current dogma. Bot that the Church should be dictating law, but if the followers believe, they should be loathe to break the rules.
 
2014-06-12 08:35:28 PM  

if_i_really_have_to: There are some basic required tenets of Roman Catholicism that you cannot access anywhere but through the Church (e.g. confession, holy communion, baptism/confirmation). You either believe the Church's teachings that those things are necessary to correctly follow Christ and ensure your salvation, or you don't.


I think you need to read up more on Catholicism.
 
2014-06-12 08:43:01 PM  

neongoats: Of course they aren't going to listen, they make too much donation cash from derpy derps, and gain too much personal glory and status fighting the "evil abortionists".

But, when they drive it to a point of actually having a schism, they'll just end up another derpy protestant sect and will continue to fade into obscurity. So it's all good.


There will never be a schism. Just like Republicans keep banging the drum about sending Mexicans back while taking campaign cash from companies dependent on illegal labor, and Democrats keep banging the drum about taxing the wealthy while offering amnesty, tax breaks, and gutting the IRS, these Catholic officials are far too comfortable and dependent on the material wealth of the Church. They don't have the charisma to be rich televangelists -- or they already would be, like Charles Coughlin, the Rush Limbaugh of his time -- so they'll keep banging this tired drum to whip up emotions and donations because that's all they care about. They'd pay lip service to anything from free love to death camps if that's what got their worshipers to open their wallets.

That's just religion in America. Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.
 
2014-06-12 08:47:10 PM  
Catholic bishops want more gay kids. Got it.
 
2014-06-12 08:56:30 PM  
Thanks Obama.
 
2014-06-12 08:57:56 PM  
Not letting some clown mess with the cash flow.
 
2014-06-12 08:58:43 PM  

liam76: if_i_really_have_to: There are some basic required tenets of Roman Catholicism that you cannot access anywhere but through the Church (e.g. confession, holy communion, baptism/confirmation). You either believe the Church's teachings that those things are necessary to correctly follow Christ and ensure your salvation, or you don't.

I think you need to read up more on Catholicism.


Yeah. He misspelled "tenants".
 
2014-06-12 09:21:33 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "The question of abortion will remain as very important," said Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, Texas, after the vote at the national assembly in New Orleans. "There are pillars to the house and it is one of the pillars."

Yeah, Jesus really railed on and on and on about abortion. That guy never farking shut up about it.


He had a heckuva lot to say about teh gays too.
 
2014-06-12 09:27:26 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "FOR THE TURH!"


You owe me a new shirt, buddy.
 
2014-06-12 09:28:39 PM  

R.A.Danny: Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.


Good luck with that. This isn't about religion - it's about power. The Catholics in the United States are firmly welded to the Republican right, and they know, full well, that religious & political power march hand in hand.

All that article said was "the American Catholics still have your back, Republicans, no matter what our religious leader says." That's it. This is a reaffirmation of political support - that's why it's done on election years, and that's why it hits all the hot-button political issues, even in direct opposition to their own tenets and leadership.

Here's to hoping Pope Francis has enough balls to de-frock the assholes over here that are gleefully ignoring his edicts.
 
2014-06-12 09:47:31 PM  
So, they're Protestants.
 
2014-06-12 09:48:08 PM  

R.A.Danny: Abortion is never not going to be a sin in the Catholic church. Francis never said it shouldn't be. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over it are supposed to be taken down a notch though.


No. Any sin can be forgiven in the purgatory. Refusal to repent is what leads to Hell. Nuns can pray for your soul too.  Just ask them.
 
2014-06-12 09:48:43 PM  
Yay! politics first!
 
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