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(NPR)   Oyster Farm: Hey, Feds, we'd like to finish out a 40-year lease on your land to run our business. Feds: OK, but we're not going to renew it when it's over in 7 years. Is that OK? Oyster Farm: Yup, totes cool. *7 years later* ENTER LIBERTARIANS   (npr.org ) divider line
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2014-06-12 01:33:14 PM  
There's a couple of librarians I wouldn't mind entering, if you know what I mean.

Wait, what?
 
2014-06-12 01:34:44 PM  
A less popular Metalica cover.
 
2014-06-12 01:39:24 PM  
I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be
 
2014-06-12 01:41:02 PM  

dittybopper: There's a couple of librarians I wouldn't mind entering, if you know what I mean.


Oh...we know what you mean.

www.myepisodecalendar.com
 
2014-06-12 01:42:26 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be


Doesn't matter. They had a lease. The lease expired. The property owner has the right to reclaim their property. The fact that the owner is the Federal Government is completely irrelevant.
 
2014-06-12 01:42:30 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be


Have you *been* to Point Reyes National Seashore?  It's not exactly downtown San Francisco.
 
2014-06-12 01:45:15 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be

Doesn't matter. They had a lease. The lease expired. The property owner has the right to reclaim their property. The fact that the owner is the Federal Government is completely irrelevant.


Why should I trust you here? You lied about a yoga pants thread you monster.
 
2014-06-12 01:51:04 PM  

jayfurr: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be

Have you *been* to Point Reyes National Seashore?  It's not exactly downtown San Francisco.


I've spent a lot of time there, actually. I know it's not downtown SF, FFS

/but it's not exactly wilderness was my point
 
2014-06-12 01:51:43 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be


Figures that what a mollusk would say.
 
2014-06-12 01:53:26 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be

Doesn't matter. They had a lease. The lease expired. The property owner has the right to reclaim their property. The fact that the owner is the Federal Government is completely irrelevant.


I don't disagree with that at all

/I just would like to see them stay
//I like fresh oysters
 
2014-06-12 01:54:01 PM  

propasaurus: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be

Figures that what a mollusk would say.


Ok... so maybe I'm a little biased
 
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2014-06-12 01:56:30 PM  
Well, the Founding Fathers who created the Federal government obviously intended Federal government to be unconstitutional.

I've had my eye on a nice SSBN that would be perfect for sailfish fishing.
 
2014-06-12 02:01:47 PM  
Who the hell buys a business knowing that the lease is going to expire in 8 years and knowing that it won't be renewed?
 
2014-06-12 02:03:55 PM  
Raw oysters are of the devil and the people who eat them are, in general, awful.

I say let 'em close.

i895.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-12 02:04:36 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: dittybopper: There's a couple of librarians I wouldn't mind entering, if you know what I mean.

Oh...we know what you mean.



img.fark.net

I'd hit it.

Again.
 
2014-06-12 02:05:23 PM  
Mmm... ersters... That's too bad for the oyster farm, but it sounds like they are SOL.

Ken Salazar is a no-talent ass-clown. That's not really germane to the argument. Just wanted to throw that out there.
 
2014-06-12 02:06:03 PM  

Shostie: Raw oysters are of the devil and the people who eat them are, in general, awful.

I say let 'em close.

[i895.photobucket.com image 421x299]


You, sir. I demand satisfaction. Pistols. Dawn. By the river. My second shall be in touch with yours.
 
2014-06-12 02:06:59 PM  

SumJackass07: Why should I trust you here? You lied about a yoga pants thread you monster.


Just because it got redlit, doesn't mean I lied...

Yoga-pants thread
 
2014-06-12 02:11:32 PM  

propasaurus: Who the hell buys a business knowing that the lease is going to expire in 8 years and knowing that it won't be renewed?


As long as that was figured into the price they paid to purchase the business, I see no problem with it.
 
2014-06-12 02:13:52 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be

Doesn't matter. They had a lease. The lease expired. The property owner has the right to reclaim their property. The fact that the owner is the Federal Government is completely irrelevant.


Nice job opening the Libertarian "THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T OWN LAND!!!" idiocy. Watch and see...
 
2014-06-12 02:16:15 PM  

propasaurus: Who the hell buys a business knowing that the lease is going to expire in 8 years and knowing that it won't be renewed?


Someone who is getting the biz on the cheap and  thinks 8 years is a long time and there are a lot of arms he can twist
 
2014-06-12 02:16:49 PM  

Nabb1: Mmm... ersters...


i.imgur.com

 
2014-06-12 02:18:10 PM  
Mmmmm.... BBQ Oysters.

i236.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-12 02:21:50 PM  
Blah blah blah, contract...I get it.

The question I have is by what good cause is the government ending the renewals on the lease?  Just because?  They haven't harmed the environment (doing so would have killed their business).
 
2014-06-12 02:32:35 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: SumJackass07: Why should I trust you here? You lied about a yoga pants thread you monster.

Just because it got redlit, doesn't mean I lied...

Yoga-pants thread


Ah. Well, never mind. Thanks for the link.
Sorry bout the whole liar thing.

You're right about the lease situation. The feds have the right to reclaim the lease.

/Does he still have to hold to the terms of the lease while this works it's way through the court system?
 
2014-06-12 03:01:45 PM  

slayer199: Blah blah blah, contract...I get it.

The question I have is by what good cause is the government ending the renewals on the lease?  Just because?  They haven't harmed the environment (doing so would have killed their business).


The landowners have plans for the land that don't include a private commercial enterprise.
 
2014-06-12 03:29:35 PM  
I like Oysters, but if the feds told them up front the ease wouldn't be renewed, and they haven't found a backup location in the interim they really don't deserve to stay in business.

It's one thing to hope the government changes its mind, it's quite another to put all of your eggs into the basket that counts on it.
 
2014-06-12 03:45:37 PM  
What these guys need to do is threaten to murder any federal officials who try to get them off the land. Then they'll get conservative support.
 
2014-06-12 03:46:26 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mmmmm.... BBQ Oysters.

[i236.photobucket.com image 640x419]


mmm tamales
 
2014-06-12 03:46:41 PM  
Read the article, did not see any mentions of LIBERTARIANS.
 
2014-06-12 03:47:35 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be


therefore all legal contracts and basic property rights can be conveniently ignored?
 
2014-06-12 03:47:56 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: SumJackass07: Why should I trust you here? You lied about a yoga pants thread you monster.

Just because it got redlit, doesn't mean I lied...

Yoga-pants thread


Curse you. You're going to get me fired.
 
2014-06-12 03:48:50 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mmmmm.... BBQ Oysters.

[i236.photobucket.com image 640x419]


Grandma?!
 
2014-06-12 03:49:22 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Read the article, did not see any mentions of LIBERTARIANS.


Ok, re-read it and saw that it was Libertarian legal counsel.
 
2014-06-12 03:49:42 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Read the article, did not see any mentions of LIBERTARIANS.


Try using CTRL F, it's more reliable than your eyes. Just drop the S.
 
2014-06-12 03:49:50 PM  
...bearded oyster thread?

/eip
 
2014-06-12 03:49:51 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: slayer199: Blah blah blah, contract...I get it.

The question I have is by what good cause is the government ending the renewals on the lease?  Just because?  They haven't harmed the environment (doing so would have killed their business).

The landowners have plans for the land that don't include a private commercial enterprise.


Have the landowners made those plans available to the public?  This seems to be a going commercial enterprise.  It probably provides a couple jobs and the subsequent tax revenues.  Since there are a lot of loyal customers, their business will probably be around for a while, making money for the state and the feds.  Will the plans the government has be more profitable or will it just be another government preserve that offers a pretty view but no revenue?
 
2014-06-12 03:50:17 PM  

slayer199: Blah blah blah, contract...I get it.

The question I have is by what good cause is the government ending the renewals on the lease?  Just because?  They haven't harmed the environment (doing so would have killed their business).


Ah yes, the typical conservative reverence for contracts. Unless it's a teacher pay contract, or the government is a signatory, of course.

Are you aware of some requirement for the government to renew a lease?
 
2014-06-12 03:51:05 PM  
Oysters = OCEAN SNOT
 
2014-06-12 03:51:31 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Read the article, did not see any mentions of LIBERTARIANS.


Did you now?

Fast forward to November 2012, when then Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar, ordered Lunny to wrap up operations within 90 days. But with the pro-bono help of libertarian legal groups, Lunny sued the federal government, arguing that Salazar abused his power.
 
2014-06-12 03:51:35 PM  
But, that means a loss of jobs.
Why does the gubment hate America?
 
2014-06-12 03:51:55 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Mmmmm.... BBQ Oysters.

[i236.photobucket.com image 640x419]


That reminds me of the mural on the wall at Taqueria La Cumbre in the Mission.

/Mmmmm... carne asada burritos.
 
2014-06-12 03:52:00 PM  
Bust a deal, FACE THE WHEEL!
 
2014-06-12 03:53:06 PM  

Ivan the Tolerable: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think they should be allowed to stay

/it's not nearly the 'wilderness' they're making it out to be

therefore all legal contracts and basic property rights can be conveniently ignored?


Like I said, I agree the lease has expired. The Government has every right to ask them to leave

/I would simply LIKE to see them grandfathered in since it doesn't seem like it would make a great deal of difference
//when did I say anything should be ignored?
 
2014-06-12 03:54:07 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Read the article, did not see any mentions of LIBERTARIANS.


FTFA: Fast forward to November 2012, when then Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar, ordered Lunny to wrap up operations within 90 days. But with the pro-bono help of libertarian legal groups, Lunny sued the federal government, arguing that Salazar abused his power.

You suck at reading.
 
2014-06-12 03:54:28 PM  

slayer199: Blah blah blah, contract...I get it.

The question I have is by what good cause is the government ending the renewals on the lease?  Just because?  They haven't harmed the environment (doing so would have killed their business).


That's not how, "The environment," works. Maintaining an environment that's good for farming oysters isn't the same as maintaining a protected region to foster the growth of eelweed. Oyster farming, like all industrial farming, has an impact on whatever environment it's being done in. Removing the human impact on an area invariably encourages natural growth and development.
 
2014-06-12 03:54:42 PM  
WHY do you have to fight over some asinine estuary the Feds own when you can go on land and raise oysters there probably even better, say like in the mountains.
PLENTY of space to do that.
peterisadb.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-12 03:54:55 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Read the article, did not see any mentions of LIBERTARIANS.


That's cause you suck at reading. Seventh paragraph.
 
2014-06-12 03:54:59 PM  
The guy bought the land knowing it was a lease that would expire in 7 years and not be renewed.  Then sues 7 years later when he can't, as he agreed to in said contract, renew.  No legs to stand on there chief.
 
2014-06-12 03:55:13 PM  
Trollmitter, there's nothing "libertarian" about this, it's about 1 guy wanting to weasel out of a contract.
 
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