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(Daily Kos)   That unknown Tea party guy who knocked off Eric Cantor in the primary? I'm sure you will be shocked to learn that he is a " Christian Dominionist" who thinks the federal government is trying to turn us all into serfs   (dailykos.com ) divider line
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2014-06-12 11:32:52 AM  
Wouldn't surprise me; but I don't think the Matthew R. Francis remark is itself sole sufficient support for the charge.

Yes, he claims God wanted him to win. Yes, he seems likely to consider Calvinism and free-market capitalism closely tied, based on a glance at the doctoral thesis linked in another thread. And he's incidentally more friendly with the ALIPAC loons than I'd like. However, those seem to fall short of a smoking gun for Dominionism.
 
2014-06-12 11:42:20 AM  
"Tea-Partier Turns Out To Be Cray-Cray."

Was the [NEWSFLASH] tag busy jerking off in the yoga-pants thread?
 
2014-06-12 11:57:52 AM  
When are we finally getting a Christian Yahtzeeist who recognizes that only quintuplets are fit to rule? Christian Monopolists...well, we got lots of those.
 
2014-06-12 12:02:50 PM  
picked a real winner there, boy.
 
2014-06-12 12:05:15 PM  
So, what are the chances of having his Democratic opponent beat him in November?
 
2014-06-12 12:12:15 PM  

raerae1980: So, what are the chances of having his Democratic opponent beat him in November?



From what I've read, he may have won only because Democrats voted for him in the open primary.
 
2014-06-12 12:14:53 PM  

raerae1980: So, what are the chances of having his Democratic opponent beat him in November?


Living near VA-7?  I'd say off hand it would take a "dead girl or live boy" type situation to surface, but given that this is a completely unvetted outsider whose campaign manager had to hastily and unsucessfully scrub this facebook page, I'd say the odds of just such a skeleton emerging are actually pretty good
 
2014-06-12 12:19:04 PM  
Since Virginia is an open primary state, Democrats asked their voters to go to the polls and vote for Brat (and against Cantor).  That's probably what put him over the top on Cantor.
 
2014-06-12 12:20:48 PM  
This has some serious potential to get rather LULZy.
 
2014-06-12 12:28:46 PM  
District has something like a +12 R lean, so any R stands a better chance than any D.  However, there's always the chance of pulling a Todd Akin or Christine O'Donnell.

Complicating the situation is that both are Some Dudes with no real name recognition, so it'll likely come down to who spends more and the random chance of foot-in-mouth syndrome.
 
2014-06-12 12:29:05 PM  

BravadoGT: Since Virginia is an open primary state, Democrats asked their voters to go to the polls and vote for Brat (and against Cantor).  That's probably what put him over the top on Cantor.


I love this line of reasoning  "Eric Cantor's loss is proof that the GOP establishment is out of touch with the average voter,   a sure death knell for immigration reform, and oh, by the way, it was also a political dirty trick perpetrated by those damn dirty dems"


I think in total something like 35,000 votes were cast in the primary.   it was turn out, not tricks that decided this election
 
2014-06-12 12:31:51 PM  
Welcome, welcome, one and all to ***GIL GIGAMESH'S HOUSE OF ODDS***

Today, ladies and gentlemen, we are taking all bets on the time it takes House candidate David Brat to make an unsolicited out of left field monologue about rape. Taking all bets! And here are the odds we are offering, good today only:

- On or before November 1, 2014: 2:1

- Before the end of the week: 3:2

- Before the end of June, 2014: 3:1

- Before 12:01 a.m. tomorrow: 4:1

- Today before 11:59 a.m., E.S.T.: 7:2

- Holds out until after election day: 1000:1
 
2014-06-12 12:32:17 PM  
And just think... a whole district full of people chose this guy to represent them
 
2014-06-12 12:33:24 PM  

Magorn: BravadoGT: Since Virginia is an open primary state, Democrats asked their voters to go to the polls and vote for Brat (and against Cantor).  That's probably what put him over the top on Cantor.

I love this line of reasoning  "Eric Cantor's loss is proof that the GOP establishment is out of touch with the average voter,   a sure death knell for immigration reform, and oh, by the way, it was also a political dirty trick perpetrated by those damn dirty dems"


I think in total something like 35,000 votes were cast in the primary.   it was turn out, not tricks that decided this election


Brat got his best numbers in Democratic districts

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/did-democratic-meddling-defeat-e ri c-cantor_794875.html
 
2014-06-12 12:40:02 PM  

BravadoGT: Magorn: BravadoGT: Since Virginia is an open primary state, Democrats asked their voters to go to the polls and vote for Brat (and against Cantor).  That's probably what put him over the top on Cantor.

I love this line of reasoning  "Eric Cantor's loss is proof that the GOP establishment is out of touch with the average voter,   a sure death knell for immigration reform, and oh, by the way, it was also a political dirty trick perpetrated by those damn dirty dems"


I think in total something like 35,000 votes were cast in the primary.   it was turn out, not tricks that decided this election

Brat got his best numbers in Democratic districts

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/did-democratic-meddling-defeat-e ri c-cantor_794875.html


That article says that he got his best numbers in solid conservative counties.
Brat received his largest margins in VA-07's most conservative territory, including Hanover County (68 percent) and New Kent County (62 percent).
 
2014-06-12 12:44:15 PM  

obenchainr: District has something like a +12 R lean, so any R stands a better chance than any D.  However, there's always the chance of pulling a Todd Akin or Christine O'Donnell.

Complicating the situation is that both are Some Dudes with no real name recognition, so it'll likely come down to who spends more and the random chance of foot-in-mouth syndrome.


If he has any kind of decent campaign advisor, he's not going to say a word until after the election. Have his PR guy tell the press it's some kind of Christian thing, and the candidate can't talk until next year. For commercials, just play patriotic songs and show flags waving, maybe throw in a good wholesome shot of a church picnic. Just don't let him open his mouth, no matter how much he wants to say something. Especially if he wants to say something.
 
2014-06-12 12:47:32 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Tea-Partier Turns Out To Be Cray-Cray."

Was the [NEWSFLASH] tag busy jerking off in the yoga-pants thread?


Woah...woah..WOAH...hold on, this is huge news.  Where is the yoga pants thread?
 
2014-06-12 12:47:37 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And just think... a whole district full of people chose this guy to represent them


I still think the voters thought they were voting for Benjamin Bratt.
 
2014-06-12 12:48:48 PM  
yesterday on the news they showed a clip of him saying his primary win over Cantor was an "act of God" so watch out heathens, this guy is backed by supernatural forces!
 
2014-06-12 12:49:07 PM  

Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: Sin_City_Superhero: "Tea-Partier Turns Out To Be Cray-Cray."

Was the [NEWSFLASH] tag busy jerking off in the yoga-pants thread?

Woah...woah..WOAH...hold on, this is huge news.  Where is the yoga pants thread?


I can't find it either!
 
2014-06-12 12:49:55 PM  
Only the corporate masters can save us!
 
2014-06-12 12:50:01 PM  
I wonder what he thinks of the Private Sector turning people into serfs
 
2014-06-12 12:51:09 PM  

BravadoGT: Magorn: BravadoGT: Since Virginia is an open primary state, Democrats asked their voters to go to the polls and vote for Brat (and against Cantor).  That's probably what put him over the top on Cantor.

I love this line of reasoning  "Eric Cantor's loss is proof that the GOP establishment is out of touch with the average voter,   a sure death knell for immigration reform, and oh, by the way, it was also a political dirty trick perpetrated by those damn dirty dems"


I think in total something like 35,000 votes were cast in the primary.   it was turn out, not tricks that decided this election

Brat got his best numbers in Democratic districts

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/did-democratic-meddling-defeat-e ri c-cantor_794875.html


This is one district and it is not Democratic-leaning. He did better in the more conservative areas than he did anywhere else.

He's a complete product of the Republican purge and pro-fascist or pro-theocrat movements.
 
2014-06-12 12:51:24 PM  

Blues_X: raerae1980: So, what are the chances of having his Democratic opponent beat him in November?


From what I've read, he may have won only because Democrats voted for him in the open primary.


My understanding is that it was a heavy republican district made even more conservative by redistricting.
 
2014-06-12 12:51:48 PM  
(Laws) are based on the Ten Commandments as applied through the interpretations of a religious elite to everyday situations; necessarily, it rejects democracy and any form of secular political philosophy as an ideal foundation for government.

Do I get a choice of being burned at the stake, drowned or stoned to death?

I'd like to accessorize properly for my murder.
 
2014-06-12 12:52:06 PM  
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2014-06-12 12:52:11 PM  

Loucifer: Great clown Pagliacci's pick-me-up: Sin_City_Superhero: "Tea-Partier Turns Out To Be Cray-Cray."

Was the [NEWSFLASH] tag busy jerking off in the yoga-pants thread?

Woah...woah..WOAH...hold on, this is huge news.  Where is the yoga pants thread?

I can't find it either!


it's a tfd yoga pants thread

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-12 12:52:11 PM  
No, it's par for the course.

I can only hope that a miracle occurs and he loses in November.
 
2014-06-12 12:53:01 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Tea-Partier Turns Out To Be Cray-Cray."

Was the [NEWSFLASH] tag busy jerking off in the yoga-pants thread?


raerae1980: So, what are the chances of having his Democratic opponent beat him in November?


This district has voted for exactly *one* Democrat over the last 30 years.  They sent Eric Cantor to the house for 15 years, and bounced him because he wasn't conservative enough.

I'd say the probability of VA-7 going blue are many significant digits to the right of the decimal point.
 
2014-06-12 12:53:27 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: (Laws) are based on the Ten Commandments as applied through the interpretations of a religious elite to everyday situations; necessarily, it rejects democracy and any form of secular political philosophy as an ideal foundation for government.

Do I get a choice of being burned at the stake, drowned or stoned to death?

I'd like to accessorize properly for my murder.


It really depends on if you weigh more than a duck.
 
2014-06-12 12:57:48 PM  
Did that jackass Cantor just give all of his campaign cash to his cronies and hope for the best?

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2014-06-12 12:59:04 PM  

obenchainr: District has something like a +12 R lean, so any R stands a better chance than any D.  However, there's always the chance of pulling a Todd Akin or Christine O'Donnell.

Complicating the situation is that both are Some Dudes with no real name recognition, so it'll likely come down to who spends more and the random chance of foot-in-mouth syndrome.


He's got lots of name recognition now because of upsetting Cantor, and the info hitting the news is mostly about what a nutcase he is, so it's probably not helping him. He's already had his foot in his mouth for most of his career, but nobody cared before.
 
2014-06-12 12:59:20 PM  
What do you mean trying?

Most people are in debt for ~50k before they even more into a career(high school/college jobs notwithstanding). They stay that way through their 20s and eventually realize renting is bullshiat and go into more debt to buy some kind of permanent home. If they are lucky, they will have it alllll paid off by the time they retire or die.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't some element of choice in there, but it's less than most people make it out to be. And many times predatory "educators" and predatory mortgage officers exacerbate the problem. The result: most people are "bound to the land" just as much as a farking serf was, often stuck forever miserable, unable to make any meaningful change because their entire lives are spent servicing the debt they accrued, possibly(ok, usually) before they had a real emotional grasp of what debt is. heh.

Anyway, just sayin, a huge proportion of the U.S. is indeed hardly above serf when it comes to where they are at.
 
2014-06-12 01:00:14 PM  
I only wish that in its zeal to herd itself off a cliff, the GOP wasn't taking the rest of us with them.
 
2014-06-12 01:00:34 PM  
Remember when the tea partiers took a safe Delaware seat and put in crazy "I am not a witch" lady?

Remember when Harry Reid was vulnerable but the tea party fell all over themselves to nominate the nuttiest person they could find baking in the Nevada sun to oppose him?

Remember when Alaskans liked their moderate Republican senator but she was primaried by a teabagger crackpot?

I can't remember how those turned out for the teabaggers.  Apparently neither can the GOP.
 
2014-06-12 01:00:48 PM  
The government isn't doing it any more than a hammer drives a nail without a hand.
What a couple of hands might look like, if the government is the hammer:
www.davisvanguard.org
 
2014-06-12 01:00:53 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: obenchainr: District has something like a +12 R lean, so any R stands a better chance than any D.  However, there's always the chance of pulling a Todd Akin or Christine O'Donnell.

Complicating the situation is that both are Some Dudes with no real name recognition, so it'll likely come down to who spends more and the random chance of foot-in-mouth syndrome.

If he has any kind of decent campaign advisor, he's not going to say a word until after the election. Have his PR guy tell the press it's some kind of Christian thing, and the candidate can't talk until next year. For commercials, just play patriotic songs and show flags waving, maybe throw in a good wholesome shot of a church picnic. Just don't let him open his mouth, no matter how much he wants to say something. Especially if he wants to say something.


He's already blown two interview questions with things akin to "I don't have an opinion" on minimum wage.

He can't get through a campaign without saying anything, because he's unknown.  All someone has to do is start shredding his (legit) Dominionist background and he'll have to fight back somehow.

Rent Party: They sent Eric Cantor to the house for 15 years, and bounced him because he wasn't conservative enough.


No, they bounced him because he's an asshole who totally lost touch with his district (reports of his staff being rude to people, walking around with bodyguards, etc.).  The "not conservative enough" trope has pretty much been debunked.
 
2014-06-12 01:01:18 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: (Laws) are based on the Ten Commandments as applied through the interpretations of a religious elite to everyday situations; necessarily, it rejects democracy and any form of secular political philosophy as an ideal foundation for government.

Do I get a choice of being burned at the stake, drowned or stoned to death?

I'd like to accessorize properly for my murder.


The same 10 Commandments that declare adultery a sin and say nothing about homosex? The same set of 10 rules that pretty much explicitly says "Greed isn't good"? The same Decalogue that prohibit making "any graven image" of god (making crucifixes sort of...awkward), or taking his name in vain?

Oh, and fark this guy with a side of hummus. Come take my citizenship, biatch.

// or recall what the Bible says about "the stranger in your midst", no fewer than 5 times (hint: it says "don't mistreat them")
// so even if you did get your way, you'd have to play nice with us Jooz (and the Musselmen, too)
 
2014-06-12 01:01:20 PM  
He ran on "keep out the brown's, and their spawn" and won - and as a professor I'm assuming the guy can speak about economics, but his only interview so far after his win came off as "hey now, I didn't think I'd have to you know, talk about important topics like Syria after winning this thing!"

wonder if the GOP will get the same coaching team as they got for Palin.

I hope so - the LOL's didn't stop.


http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/dave-brat-chuck-todd-msnbc-107 71 7.html
 
2014-06-12 01:02:39 PM  

Blues_X: raerae1980: So, what are the chances of having his Democratic opponent beat him in November?


From what I've read, he may have won only because Democrats voted for him in the open primary.


I don't understand why open primaries are a thing. It seems like a bad idea for just this reason. Is there any actual benefit?
 
2014-06-12 01:02:58 PM  

gilgigamesh: Welcome, welcome, one and all to ***GIL GIGAMESH'S HOUSE OF ODDS***

Today, ladies and gentlemen, we are taking all bets on the time it takes House candidate David Brat to make an unsolicited out of left field monologue about rape. Taking all bets! And here are the odds we are offering, good today only:

- On or before November 1, 2014: 2:1

- Before the end of the week: 3:2

- Before the end of June, 2014: 3:1

- Before 12:01 a.m. tomorrow: 4:1

- Today before 11:59 a.m., E.S.T.: 7:2

- Holds out until after election day: 1000:1


I'll put $50 at ON or BEFORE September 1st with a side bet of $50 invoking Calvinistic social darwinism in the process.

Something like "God allows so many rapes to happen per year to sinners. Make sure you're not one of those by doing X"
 
2014-06-12 01:03:03 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: (Laws) are based on the Ten Commandments as applied through the interpretations of a religious elite to everyday situations; necessarily, it rejects democracy and any form of secular political philosophy as an ideal foundation for government.


Let me guess: that's the dictionary definition of Sharia Law, right?

Oh, sorry, didn't see "Ten Commandments" in there. Still, close enough.
 
2014-06-12 01:03:56 PM  
God, this just disgusts me. Freakin' 21st Century and we're still struggling with social conservatism being the dominant paradigm.
 
2014-06-12 01:04:14 PM  
And the consequences of their actions would do just that.
 
2014-06-12 01:04:45 PM  

neongoats: What do you mean trying?

Most people are in debt for ~50k before they even more into a career(high school/college jobs notwithstanding). They stay that way through their 20s and eventually realize renting is bullshiat and go into more debt to buy some kind of permanent home. If they are lucky, they will have it alllll paid off by the time they retire or die.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't some element of choice in there, but it's less than most people make it out to be. And many times predatory "educators" and predatory mortgage officers exacerbate the problem. The result: most people are "bound to the land" just as much as a farking serf was, often stuck forever miserable, unable to make any meaningful change because their entire lives are spent servicing the debt they accrued, possibly(ok, usually) before they had a real emotional grasp of what debt is. heh.

Anyway, just sayin, a huge proportion of the U.S. is indeed hardly above serf when it comes to where they are at.


It's just not the federal government doing it, it is the Federal Reserve, the government has just been corrupted to allow it to continue.  No rational person would ever vote for the scam that they run, unless you're getting a cut of it.
 
2014-06-12 01:08:04 PM  

neongoats: If they are lucky, they will have it alllll paid off by the time they retire or die.


Technically, you generally don't want it alllllll paid off. You don't really benefit from sinking your capital into real property, except as a hedge against inflation over the long term. The money tied up in the house is money that's not earning you a return. So long as you have the capacity to make mortgage payments, you should  want to make mortgage payments to keep yourself as liquid as possible.

Further, I don't think it's fair to equate leveraged ownership with serfdom. It's a simple business transaction- the bank doesn't own you, and it doesn't even own your house- it owns a lien against the house. In the end, it's just a house, and the romanticism of home ownership doesn't outweigh the practical mechanics of the business transaction. Someone unhappy with the terms of their mortgage can discharge their debt at any time, although they may lose the property and be penalized for it.

Contrast that to school loans- federally guaranteed loans give the debtor  no recourse to discharge their debt under than full payment. There is no way to use bankruptcy to discharge those debts. These  guaranteed loans often charge a higher interest rate than a mortgage, which is secured by real property, yet are  guaranteed! The interest rate is not managing risk, here- it's sheer rent-seeking on money the lender  knows will be returned. That is definitely a method of indenturing new workers into a system that isn't operating in their best interests.
 
2014-06-12 01:08:19 PM  
Nothing.  He was always hard to buy for and now's he'd dead so I probably won't even get a polite thank you.

/miss him
 
2014-06-12 01:08:31 PM  

Isitoveryet: yesterday on the news they showed a clip of him saying his primary win over Cantor was an "act of God" so watch out heathens, this guy is backed by supernatural forces!



God can get into real trouble influencing elections like that.

/I remember when the Grim Reaper was busted for allowing the dead to vote.
 
2014-06-12 01:08:44 PM  

Magorn: I think in total something like 35,000 votes were cast in the primary. it was turn out, not tricks that decided this election


It was almost twice that.
David Brat - 36,110
Eric Cantor - 28,898
http://ballotpedia.org/David_Brat

In the 2010 primary, this was the breakdown.
Eric Cantor - 37,369
Floyd Bayne - 9,668
http://ballotpedia.org/Floyd_Bayne

Not making any statements about who voted for whom, just getting the correct numbers out there.
 
2014-06-12 01:08:52 PM  

gilgigamesh: Welcome, welcome, one and all to ***GIL GIGAMESH'S HOUSE OF ODDS***

Today, ladies and gentlemen, we are taking all bets on the time it takes House candidate David Brat to make an unsolicited out of left field monologue about rape. Taking all bets! And here are the odds we are offering, good today only:

- On or before November 1, 2014: 2:1

- Before the end of the week: 3:2

- Before the end of June, 2014: 3:1

- Before 12:01 a.m. tomorrow: 4:1

- Today before 11:59 a.m., E.S.T.: 7:2

- Holds out until after election day: 1000:1


If "Before the end of September" was up there, I would put a lot of money on that.
 
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