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(ESPN)   Could Miami have a "Big Four"? The Heat may be trying to lure Carmelo Anthony to their organization   (espn.go.com) divider line 60
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2014-06-12 08:53:34 AM  
I hope they do. There's a magical formula for winning an NBA championship, and he seems to carry the antidote to it.
 
2014-06-12 09:42:44 AM  
As long as they make sure to get Karl Malone too
 
2014-06-12 09:51:50 AM  
Taking shots away from the best player in the world is a guarantee of success.
 
2014-06-12 10:02:00 AM  
Well they got away with collusion to sign the big three, guess they're gonna be more blatant signing the fourth.

Be hilarious if they opt out and Riley doesn't resign Wade.

Wouldn't spending that money on 2-3 quality role players be better than Melo?
 
2014-06-12 10:05:39 AM  
Where the hell are they going to play him? Power forward?
 
2014-06-12 10:06:25 AM  
Might as well go for a Big Five and sign Darko Milicic.
 
2014-06-12 10:07:27 AM  

Champion of the Sun: Well they got away with collusion to sign the big three, guess they're gonna be more blatant signing the fourth.

Be hilarious if they opt out and Riley doesn't resign Wade.

Wouldn't spending that money on 2-3 quality role players be better than Melo?


I would think so... although if they sign Melo and the other Big 3 and spend at least a decent amount of money on the next 5-6 players, they may have to give into my demands for $50k to play for the team.    Heck, I'm sure I'd be used as much as the 12th man on their team right now, and much cheaper!
 
2014-06-12 10:09:34 AM  

Arkanaut: Where the hell are they going to play him? Power forward?


Why not?  The Knicks were less awful when playing small ball, putting Melo at the 4, and from what I've seen he just can't/won't play perimeter defense.
 
2014-06-12 10:12:49 AM  

Arkanaut: Might as well go for a Big Five and sign Darko Milicic.


First thing I thought of too when I heard this. I really wonder how this is good for the NBA. I realize that I may not be the target audience of the NBA but seriously how does this entice anyone to watch? You know who is going to win just about every year and meanwhile 75% of the teams have zero chance of sniffing the conference semi finals much less the finals.

Meanwhile, you have Cleveland getting the first pick in the draft just about every year it seems as compensation for losing Lebron.
 
2014-06-12 10:13:15 AM  
BULLshiat!

To do this, Carmello would need to take a $10 million dollar a year pay cut

Plus, Lebron, Bosh and Wade would all need to take a $5 million dollar a year pay cut


Do you honestly think all 4 of them would take THAT huge of a pay cut?
 
2014-06-12 10:17:44 AM  

great_tigers: Arkanaut: Might as well go for a Big Five and sign Darko Milicic.

First thing I thought of too when I heard this. I really wonder how this is good for the NBA. I realize that I may not be the target audience of the NBA but seriously how does this entice anyone to watch? You know who is going to win just about every year and meanwhile 75% of the teams have zero chance of sniffing the conference semi finals much less the finals.

Meanwhile, you have Cleveland getting the first pick in the draft just about every year it seems as compensation for losing Lebron.


Miami Heat are the John Cena of the NBA
 
2014-06-12 10:18:03 AM  

smerfnablin: BULLshiat!

To do this, Carmello would need to take a $10 million dollar a year pay cut

Plus, Lebron, Bosh and Wade would all need to take a $5 million dollar a year pay cut


Do you honestly think all 4 of them would take THAT huge of a pay cut?


I'm guessing Wade is gone.
 
2014-06-12 10:20:10 AM  
Stephen A Smith started this bs rumor and now its on fark...nice
 
2014-06-12 10:21:41 AM  

smerfnablin: BULLshiat!

To do this, Carmello would need to take a $10 million dollar a year pay cut

Plus, Lebron, Bosh and Wade would all need to take a $5 million dollar a year pay cut


Do you honestly think all 4 of them would take THAT huge of a pay cut?


Nah. No such thing as a team where the Big 3 would take, say, 12, 10, and 7.5 million rather than the max, just so the organization could put depth around them.
 
2014-06-12 10:22:11 AM  

SmackLT: I hope they do. There's a magical formula for winning an NBA championship, and he seems to carry the antidote to it.


memecrunch.com
 
2014-06-12 10:22:19 AM  
I still think Lebron should opt out and sign a series of one year MLE contracts around the league. He'd kill it in endorsements. Go play with Durant for a season. Then play with Kobe for one last hurrah. Jersey sales would go through the roof and it would definitely help the NBA with fan excitement. Plus he could televise a decision every summer
 
2014-06-12 10:25:41 AM  

smerfnablin: BULLshiat!

To do this, Carmello would need to take a $10 million dollar a year pay cut

Plus, Lebron, Bosh and Wade would all need to take a $5 million dollar a year pay cut


Do you honestly think all 4 of them would take THAT huge of a pay cut?


I really wonder what the Players Association would have to say about that, if it were to happen. I mean, there is still a NBPA, right? I know they haven't had a leader for like a year and a half, but the organization still exists?
 
2014-06-12 10:27:22 AM  
Melo and Lebron (and wade) just wouldn't work on a basketball floor.

It took Wade to change his game for it to work at all in Miami, and they're more successful because of their overall defense and the athleticism of Lebron, than because of 'the big 3'.
 
2014-06-12 10:27:39 AM  
I thought a team consisted of 5 people in basketball?

/i keed
//don't really follow basketball
 
2014-06-12 10:28:55 AM  

great_tigers: First thing I thought of too when I heard this. I really wonder how this is good for the NBA. I realize that I may not be the target audience of the NBA but seriously how does this entice anyone to watch?


The NBA is better - or at least more popular - when it's top heavy. It sucks and it's not right and it's not fair, but we've got like 40 years of history at this point proving it's true. People either love or love to hate super-teams.
 
2014-06-12 10:30:05 AM  

MugzyBrown: Melo and Lebron (and wade) just wouldn't work on a basketball floor.

It took Wade to change his game for it to work at all in Miami, and they're more successful because of their overall defense and the athleticism of Lebron, than because of 'the big 3'.


Carmelo is just as selfless and dedicated to defense as Wade is so I'm sure it'll work out perfectly.
 
2014-06-12 10:33:44 AM  

jayhawk88: The NBA is better - or at least more popular - when it's top heavy. It sucks and it's not right and it's not fair, but we've got like 40 years of history at this point proving it's true. People either love or love to hate super-teams.


Most sports work best when there are 'dynastic teams' and teams trying to topple them.

The difficulty in the NBA is how hard it is to move from the bottom to the top.. or even the middle to the top.

The problem is the salary cap.  They should just get rid of it.  Because you can get a 'max deal' means it's more worth it for stars to team up than to try to fight one another separately.

Would Lebron and Wade have teamed up if somebody offered Lebron $40m per year?  But his salary was maxed out no matter where he went, so he went to team up with Wade.
 
2014-06-12 10:36:11 AM  

Champion of the Sun: I still think Lebron should opt out and sign a series of one year MLE contracts around the league. He'd kill it in endorsements. Go play with Durant for a season. Then play with Kobe for one last hurrah. Jersey sales would go through the roof and it would definitely help the NBA with fan excitement. Plus he could televise a decision every summer


media.giphy.com
 
2014-06-12 10:58:20 AM  
Might as well rename the team the Miami yankees
 
2014-06-12 11:06:33 AM  

mikaloyd: Might as well rename the team the Miami yankees


not really, because as shown by the comments above, the salary cap forces Miami (or any franchise) to make tough decisions.  like i heard today, and i don't know if this actually happened or if they were just illustrating what would have to happen to get melo in south beach, they were saying LeBron may have approached Udonis Haslem and asked him to redo his deal to accomodate Melo.  they were like, "you're in the prime years of your career [Haslem], where you are supposed to be making as much money as you possibly can, and they want you to take a cut?  Hey LeBron, you're making twenty times what I am, I may be out of the league in 4-5 years, why don't *you* take a cut if you want Melo that badly?"

point being, the Yankees (and Red Sox, and Angels, and Los Doyers) have a bottomless pit of money whereas the salary cap ensures a measure of fairness, albeit un-American fairness to the sport.
 
2014-06-12 11:13:23 AM  

jayhawk88: People either love or love to hate super-teams.


and then there's Exhibit A, foxsports' headline I think yesterday:  "OK, Time To Start Respecting The Spurs".

4 championships (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007) (and of course, blowing that 4pt lead with what, 35 seconds left in Game 6 last year?)

2 conference championships in addition to the rings (2013, 2014)


people seem ambivalent for the most part, outside of San Antonio.  If they played in Nooo Yawk Siddy, or Boston, they'd be considered one of the most iconic teams in the world.  instead, Foxsports says in 2014, "ok, time to start respecting the spurs."  better late than never, no?
 
2014-06-12 11:14:32 AM  

mikaloyd: Might as well rename the team the Miami yankees


media2.giphy.com

/irrational Yankees hate is old and busted
 
2014-06-12 11:15:44 AM  
THE BANDWAGON IS GONNA TIP OVER!
 
2014-06-12 11:16:51 AM  

MugzyBrown: The problem is the salary cap.  They should just get rid of it.  Because you can get a 'max deal' means it's more worth it for stars to team up than to try to fight one another separately.

Would Lebron and Wade have teamed up if somebody offered Lebron $40m per year?  But his salary was maxed out no matter where he went, so he went to team up with Wade.


See I'd argue that not having a cap would make the Super Team problem worse, not better. At least now, if a Miami collects 3 superstars, they are hamstrung in filling out the team and have to risk some cheaper/older players to fill out the roster. I mean, in a world without an NBA cap, the Heat might have Kyle Lowry and Paul Millsap rather than Norris Cole and Greg Oden.
 
2014-06-12 11:20:04 AM  

bluorangefyre: THE BANDWAGON IS GONNA TIP OVER!


*snert*
 
2014-06-12 11:25:07 AM  

jayhawk88: See I'd argue that not having a cap would make the Super Team problem worse, not better. At least now, if a Miami collects 3 superstars, they are hamstrung in filling out the team and have to risk some cheaper/older players to fill out the roster. I mean, in a world without an NBA cap, the Heat might have Kyle Lowry and Paul Millsap rather than Norris Cole and Greg Oden.


You're assuming Miami would be willing to spend A LOT more on their roster.

When the NBA cap was truly a soft cap, Kevin Garnett broke the system.  He got $21mm per year in 1999.

Inflation adjusted, that's about $30mm today, so we'll say that's the going rate for a top player.


So LeBron easily gets $30mm per year
Wade gets $30mm per year
Bosh would get $25mm per year

That alone is already more than what Miami is paying for their whole roster this year.

Do you think there'd be talk of adding Melo, another $25mm player?
 
2014-06-12 11:30:38 AM  

great_tigers: Arkanaut: Might as well go for a Big Five and sign Darko Milicic.

First thing I thought of too when I heard this. I really wonder how this is good for the NBA. I realize that I may not be the target audience of the NBA but seriously how does this entice anyone to watch? You know who is going to win just about every year and meanwhile 75% of the teams have zero chance of sniffing the conference semi finals much less the finals.

Meanwhile, you have Cleveland getting the first pick in the draft just about every year it seems as compensation for losing Lebron.


Parity is non-existent in the NBA. There have been, what, eight different teams who have won a championship in the last 30 years? The Association wanted to market stars. The stars figured out that playing with each other was their best formula for maximizing championships, and thus endorsements and publicity. And stars will prefer to play places like Florida over Cleveland - low income taxes in warm weather party towns have a permanent advantage over the Rust Belt.
 
2014-06-12 11:31:11 AM  

smerfnablin: BULLshiat!

To do this, Carmello would need to take a $10 million dollar a year pay cut

Plus, Lebron, Bosh and Wade would all need to take a $5 million dollar a year pay cut


Do you honestly think all 4 of them would take THAT huge of a pay cut?


I get Lebron taking a cut; with his endorsements & branding his NBA contract is basically supplemental income at this point.  But the others likely value get paid at a higher level.  Wade doesn't have many paychecks left and went through a zany divorce.  Bosh isn't doing much for endorsements.  And the amount of money Melo would walk away from is just insane.

This ain't gonna happen.  And even if it did, does putting these 4 with 8 players making the vets minimum isn't a guaranteed championship by any means.
 
2014-06-12 11:32:30 AM  

regindyn: This ain't gonna happen.  And even if it did, does putting these 4 with 8 players making the vets minimum isn't a guaranteed championship by any means.


I english gud.
 
2014-06-12 11:33:12 AM  

MugzyBrown: jayhawk88: The NBA is better - or at least more popular - when it's top heavy. It sucks and it's not right and it's not fair, but we've got like 40 years of history at this point proving it's true. People either love or love to hate super-teams.

Most sports work best when there are 'dynastic teams' and teams trying to topple them.

The difficulty in the NBA is how hard it is to move from the bottom to the top.. or even the middle to the top.

The problem is the salary cap.  They should just get rid of it.  Because you can get a 'max deal' means it's more worth it for stars to team up than to try to fight one another separately.

Would Lebron and Wade have teamed up if somebody offered Lebron $40m per year?  But his salary was maxed out no matter where he went, so he went to team up with Wade.


No, the problem is that there are 30 teams and not nearly enough high-level talent to spread around 30 teams.

Cut the number of teams down to 12 or 16 and the NBA would be a lot more watchable, but that will never happen.
 
2014-06-12 11:38:03 AM  

mikaloyd: Might as well rename the team the Miami yankees


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-12 11:44:15 AM  
They should wait another year and sign Kevin Love instead, Melo wouldn't be a good fit for the Heat.
 
2014-06-12 11:48:28 AM  

MugzyBrown: That alone is already more than what Miami is paying for their whole roster this year.

Do you think there'd be talk of adding Melo, another $25mm player?


I don't think they're going to add Melo now, I think this is something being thrown out to try and get other teams more interested in Melo. But regardless....maybe, maybe not. But I do think that teams would be willing to pay significantly more than the cap allows them to now on guys that aren't super-duper stars, but are better than the kind of guy you can get for the mid-level exception or a close-to-min contract. Again, would Miami have been taking flyers on like Oden or Beasley if they could have just went out and dropped ~$4m a year on a couple decent players? That's the danger in not having a cap, especially in the NBA where you have a starting 5/11 man roster. Not what you can pay your super-duper stars, but that you can get several super-duper stars AND still get better than average players to fill out the roster.
 
2014-06-12 11:52:35 AM  
this entire thread is true, spot-on and why the NBA has become the NBE.  (nat'l bb Entertainment)

and that's why it is ref'd the way it is.
 
2014-06-12 12:06:48 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Stephen A Smith started this bs rumor and now its on fark...nice


ESPN trolls Fark

/Wall-to-Wall coverage at 11:00
 
2014-06-12 12:30:58 PM  

Arkanaut: Might as well go for a Big Five and sign Darko Milicic.


Psh.  Luc Longley is tanned, rested, and READY, BABY!
 
2014-06-12 12:51:39 PM  
No farking way this happens. For any number of reasons mentioned in thread, but also where does he play? 4? With Bosh at the 5? That's a recipe for getting killed by any remotely competent front court.

At the 2 instead of Wade? I mean I think they should try to figure out how to gracefully part with Wade's creaky knees and build the team around Bosh and James but not to replace him with Carmelo to shoot 40 times a game.

Replace him with some one like Birdman but who actually has talent and doesn't get by on trying real hard. Yeah I don't see any lineup consisting of those 4 that's better than what they've got now. They'd be better off getting Love.
 
2014-06-12 12:52:15 PM  

robsul82: Arkanaut: Might as well go for a Big Five and sign Darko Milicic.

Psh.  Luc Longley is tanned, rested, and READY, BABY!


Darko (along with Carmelo) would give them the first five picks of the 2003 draft.
 
2014-06-12 01:10:27 PM  
Melo is a bad fit.  He's a ball-heavy chucklefark who doesn't play defense.

Bosh is just a long and medium range shooter at this point.  A good one, but is he worth the money for them?

Wade doesn't have a whole lot left.  What kind of contract is he worth?

Role-players are the capers and anchovies in an otherwise solid salad.  Miami's role-players are decaying before our eyes.  Who comes on board?

MOST IMPORTANT:

Is this talk basically an admission (by everyone) that the Spurs have the Finals under control?  Having this hang in the air ain't good for team morale, but also squeaks of looking past the off-season for answers.  It's clear this team isn't what it used to be.
 
2014-06-12 01:12:49 PM  

rickythepenguin: mikaloyd: Might as well rename the team the Miami yankees

not really, because as shown by the comments above, the salary cap forces Miami (or any franchise) to make tough decisions.  like i heard today, and i don't know if this actually happened or if they were just illustrating what would have to happen to get melo in south beach, they were saying LeBron may have approached Udonis Haslem and asked him to redo his deal to accomodate Melo.  they were like, "you're in the prime years of your career [Haslem], where you are supposed to be making as much money as you possibly can, and they want you to take a cut?  Hey LeBron, you're making twenty times what I am, I may be out of the league in 4-5 years, why don't *you* take a cut if you want Melo that badly?"

point being, the Yankees (and Red Sox, and Angels, and Los Doyers) have a bottomless pit of money whereas the salary cap ensures a measure of fairness, albeit un-American fairness to the sport.


Thing is UD already took a pretty big cut (he could have made alot more in free agency back in 2010) to free up room for lebron and bosh and stay with the team when the original big 3 thing went down. On top of that all the big 3 took less to come together. None are max guys due to the cap. Mike Miller was a victim of the cap this year.

But yeah UD taking less and lebron taking less are completely different as it hurts Haslem a lot more. Dude wanted rings thougn so I imagine he isnt complaining.
 
2014-06-12 01:19:09 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is this talk basically an admission (by everyone) that the Spurs have the Finals under control?


This talk is brought to you by Overreaction Theater.

After Game 1, the Heat were screwed. After Game 2, they were unstoppable. After Game 3, they're exploring getting superstars. If they win Game 4, we'll be discussing them being the best again.

/the Spurs are good precisely because their stars have cut salaries over and over again, enabling them to pay other guys
 
2014-06-12 01:20:00 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Bosh is just a long and medium range shooter at this point.  A good one, but is he worth the money for them?


Yes.  How many teams run out a stretch-5, especially one with his ability to drive, pass, and play defense?  Line-ups where all 5 players can bomb from 3 point range are near-unstoppable.

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is this talk basically an admission (by everyone) that the Spurs have the Finals under control?


I don't think that's a fair assessment, and I don't think anyone who knows basketball thinks the series is over by any stretch.
 
2014-06-12 01:25:52 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Thing is UD already took a pretty big cut (he could have made alot more in free agency back in 2010) to free up room for lebron and bosh and stay with the team when the original big 3 thing went down.



I don't follow NBA well enought (basically, i watch the Finals) to know what all happened, but the local guys today (the "they" in my post) seemed to be saying that Haslem had been approached to redo his deal.  or maybe there were just hypothesizing.  i was half awake.  dunno.

but they also said that if all of Miami's opt-out eligible players in fact opted out after this season (at whatever the deadline is), Miami would only have like, 2 players on the roster.  that seems pretty damn crazy.
 
2014-06-12 01:29:50 PM  

rickythepenguin: I don't follow NBA well enought (basically, i watch the Finals) to know what all happened, but the local guys today (the "they" in my post) seemed to be saying that Haslem had been approached to redo his deal.  or maybe there were just hypothesizing.  i was half awake.  dunno.


Haslem cut his deal to get everyone else there.

/but really, Haslem doesn't do much
 
2014-06-12 01:30:41 PM  

regindyn: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Bosh is just a long and medium range shooter at this point.  A good one, but is he worth the money for them?

Yes.  How many teams run out a stretch-5, especially one with his ability to drive, pass, and play defense?  Line-ups where all 5 players can bomb from 3 point range are near-unstoppable.

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Is this talk basically an admission (by everyone) that the Spurs have the Finals under control?

I don't think that's a fair assessment, and I don't think anyone who knows basketball thinks the series is over by any stretch.


Disagree on Bosh.  He's very expensive for what he provides.  He's far better on a team as a first or second option.  Riley has to be thinking about what's going on with this team, how to improve it.  He probably remains on the team, but they're usually bad when they forget he's there.  His refusal, which he's stated, to bang down low now, is alarming.

Miami should nip this talk in the bud.  I realize they thrive on attention and constant discussion.  They preen under it.  But it's a subtle admission that they don't have what it takes, this team is aging rapidly.
 
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