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(Washington Post)   European court rules that employees are entitled to take vacation time even after they die   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 42
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2014-06-12 09:26:19 AM  
As opposed to the US, where they won't even let you take a day off if you're dead.
 
2014-06-12 10:58:21 AM  
Because he needs 140.5 days of rest before he rests in peace.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-12 11:56:19 AM  
Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?
 
2014-06-12 01:06:29 PM  
Damn socialist zombies!!1!
 
2014-06-12 01:08:07 PM  

vpb: Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?


i assumed this was the issue w/o reading the article.
 
2014-06-12 01:11:37 PM  
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2014-06-12 01:15:29 PM  
"A German court had thrown out her case, relying on local law stipulating that when the employee dies, the employment contract is terminated."

When an employee is terminated the employment contract is also ended ... and you pay them for any outstanding vacation time.
 
2014-06-12 01:15:54 PM  
There should be a 10x penalty for this kind of shiat.  It's compensation that he earned through his employment.  How is there any question that it should be paid to his estate???  Did they also try to take back the money paid to his retirement fund?  I hope she contacts every other widow who had a spouse working for that company and tells them to go demand payment for unused holiday pay.  Farking scumbags.  And that's an insult to scum.  Sorry, scum.
 
2014-06-12 01:16:14 PM  
Subby is trolling or retarded (or both). The court made the right decision.
 
2014-06-12 01:17:45 PM  
Hells yeah! Vacay at Bernie's!

www.stumpedmagazine.com
 
2014-06-12 01:18:14 PM  
I'll sleep vacation when I'm dead.
 
2014-06-12 01:18:27 PM  

vpb: Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?


Particularly the Job Creating Small Business Owner Heroes (TM) who aren't bound by corporate policies and procedures.
The greediest, scummiest employers I've ever had have all been small businesses. From being consistently told rules for benefit eligibility have changed, to arbitrarily lowering my commission rate as a salesperson, to trying to weasel out of paying overtime, they were the worst. The big companies have HR departments that follow written procedures so as to cover their asses agains lawsuits.
 
2014-06-12 01:19:41 PM  

vpb: Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?


Eh, the government is going to take a massive bite out of the money anyway....but that's okay, right?
 
2014-06-12 01:21:26 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Hells yeah! Vacay at Bernie's!

[www.stumpedmagazine.com image 850x510]


Leavin' satisified
 
2014-06-12 01:27:44 PM  

chevydeuce: vpb: Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?

Eh, the government is going to take a massive bite out of the money anyway....but that's okay, right?


Well, the government does use the money to provide actual services.
 
2014-06-12 01:28:34 PM  
Good. I suspect farking people out of vacation/sick time is a massive Hollywood accounting scam that makes billions for US companies.
 
2014-06-12 01:30:01 PM  

chevydeuce: vpb: Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?

Eh, the government is going to take a massive bite out of the money anyway....but that's okay, right?


Yes of course.

Only a complete moron on a cattle ranch doesn't understand the concept of taxes.
 
2014-06-12 01:39:01 PM  
SO all future contracts specifically need to state that benefits are not payable on death.
 
2014-06-12 01:40:02 PM  

MagicBoris: chevydeuce: vpb: Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?

Eh, the government is going to take a massive bite out of the money anyway....but that's okay, right?

Well, the government does use the money to provide actual services.


"Thank you, Senator. A thoughtful and lucid answer. You will be destroyed!"

.
 
2014-06-12 01:46:19 PM  
Paid vacation.
Paid.
 
2014-06-12 01:57:01 PM  

chevydeuce: vpb: Because employers are so greedy that they will try to cheat the dependents of an employees out of pay that they earned?

Eh, the government is going to take a massive bite out of the money anyway....but that's okay, right?


Well yeah, because in Europe, you get healthcare, a reasonable amount of paid vacation, education, family leave, and so forth WITHOUT having to fight tooth and nail for them. You know, because they don't spend all their money subsidizing the most profitable industry the world has known, or ensuring tax dodges remain for billionaires, or feeding the ever-hungry military industrial complex.
 
2014-06-12 02:07:20 PM  
That's the Longest Vacation you'll ever take!
 
2014-06-12 02:10:07 PM  
www.examiner.com
 
2014-06-12 02:14:06 PM  
When an employee is terminated the employment contract is also ended ... and you pay them for any outstanding vacation time.

Which was pretty much exactly the argument of this courts ruling IIRC.
 
2014-06-12 02:28:49 PM  
ah, the Germans nullify contracts when one of the parties involved dies.  That would explain a lot.
 
2014-06-12 02:45:37 PM  

xkillyourfacex: SO all future contracts specifically need to state that benefits are not payable on death.


Yeah, that'd be void from the get-go in Europe and in California, too.
 
2014-06-12 02:52:55 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: ah, the Germans nullify contracts when one of the parties involved dies.  That would explain a lot.


Do not think what you did there has gone unseen.
 
2014-06-12 05:26:38 PM  

LibertyHiller: Yeah, that'd be void from the get-go in Europe and in California, too.


Good thing I'm not a lawyer.

So they have laws that prevent contracts being written up in such a way?
 
2014-06-12 05:56:18 PM  
I ... disagree with this ruling. The benefit isn't pay, it is time off. The employee should have taken the time off when he could.

I have benefits such as a health club discount that I don't use, but my employer shouldn't be on the hook for that if I die while I work there.

/hides, because my unpopular opinion will be ravaged
 
2014-06-12 06:00:33 PM  

xkillyourfacex: LibertyHiller: Yeah, that'd be void from the get-go in Europe and in California, too.

Good thing I'm not a lawyer.

So they have laws that prevent contracts being written up in such a way?


Neither am I, but I know enough to be able to point out that such laws aren't needed when the contract is repugnant to public policy.
 
2014-06-12 06:19:33 PM  

skrame: I ... disagree with this ruling. The benefit isn't pay, it is time off. The employee should have taken the time off when he could.

I have benefits such as a health club discount that I don't use, but my employer shouldn't be on the hook for that if I die while I work there.

/hides, because my unpopular opinion will be ravaged


Actually no. Paid time off is not just time off, it is a form of compensation. Your health club reimbursement is a discretionary benefit. In California if you do not take your allotment you either have to get paid out or accrue time.
 
2014-06-12 06:26:55 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: ctually no. Paid time off is not just time off, it is a form of compensation. Your health club reimbursement is a discretionary benefit. In California if you do not take your allotment you either have to get paid out or accrue time


Ahh... where I work I earn unpaid vacation days. The privilege of not working, but not getting paid. If I take time off without first earning it, it counts against me (I don't get docked, but I do get fired. It's a nightmare arranging things like car maintenance/repair, doctor appointments, family emergencies, etc.).

Having been accustomed to such a system I was inclined like skrame to disagree with the ruling.
 
2014-06-12 06:27:16 PM  
Well, in Chicago they can still vote, so that's a plus, right?
 
2014-06-12 06:35:31 PM  

xkillyourfacex: All2morrowsparTs: ctually no. Paid time off is not just time off, it is a form of compensation. Your health club reimbursement is a discretionary benefit. In California if you do not take your allotment you either have to get paid out or accrue time

Ahh... where I work I earn unpaid vacation days. The privilege of not working, but not getting paid. If I take time off without first earning it, it counts against me (I don't get docked, but I do get fired. It's a nightmare arranging things like car maintenance/repair, doctor appointments, family emergencies, etc.).

Having been accustomed to such a system I was inclined like skrame to disagree with the ruling.


God that sucks! Sorry to hear that.
 
2014-06-12 06:42:32 PM  

skrame: I ... disagree with this ruling. The benefit isn't pay, it is time off. The employee should have taken the time off when he could.

I have benefits such as a health club discount that I don't use, but my employer shouldn't be on the hook for that if I die while I work there.

/hides, because my unpopular opinion will be ravaged


No, that would be unpaid vacation. The benefit of paid vacation is getting paid. You get paid out on the present value of that benefit when you quit or get fired, why not when you die?
 
2014-06-12 06:47:37 PM  

xkillyourfacex: So they have laws that prevent contracts being written up in such a way?


California has strict labor laws and 'it was in the contract' doesn't trump state law.

So if someone in CA tried this, they would basically end up paying the vaca time out and then end up having to pay fines to the state on top of it.
 
2014-06-12 07:16:14 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: [www.examiner.com image 300x192]


Thanks Walt Disney.
 
2014-06-12 09:33:16 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: skrame: I ... disagree with this ruling. The benefit isn't pay, it is time off. The employee should have taken the time off when he could.

I have benefits such as a health club discount that I don't use, but my employer shouldn't be on the hook for that if I die while I work there.

/hides, because my unpopular opinion will be ravaged

Actually no. Paid time off is not just time off, it is a form of compensation. Your health club reimbursement is a discretionary benefit. In California if you do not take your allotment you either have to get paid out or accrue time.


And to add, it is compensation earned the year prior or prior to his illness.  Since it is already earned, why should the employee not receive it?  If I die during a shift, shouldn't I (i.e. my estate) get paid for the hours worked that week prior to my passing?

/question directed to skrame
 
2014-06-13 01:35:25 AM  
140 farking days of farking vacation that he did not take?

holy mother fark.  thats ten god damn years of not taking vacation

how long was he sick for?
 
2014-06-13 08:07:35 AM  

kvinesknows: 140 farking days of farking vacation that he did not take?

holy mother fark.  thats ten god damn years of not taking vacation

how long was he sick for?



He's German, that's like 5 years or less
 
2014-06-13 10:15:36 AM  

Cajnik: kvinesknows: 140 farking days of farking vacation that he did not take?

holy mother fark.  thats ten god damn years of not taking vacation

how long was he sick for?


He's German, that's like 5 years or less


jebus!
 
2014-06-13 04:17:49 PM  

kvinesknows: 140 farking days of farking vacation that he did not take?

holy mother fark.  thats ten god damn years of not taking vacation

how long was he sick for?


I take a week / week and a half of vacation a year, in addition to the occasional day here and there, and I am still entitled to 9 weeks of paid vacation. I saved that up in just under 4 years.

It's not that hard to get a lot of vacation days saved up.

/Plan on quitting this year and having them pay me that as more than two months of wages as a goodbye.
 
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