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2014-06-12 01:09:03 PM  

Private_Citizen: Attila the Mom: Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.

Csb time:

Mrs. Citizen has a thyroid condition and takes meds for it. Still, she refuses to give up, and so she exercises constantly. We're talking 25 miles a week of running or jogging, plus swimming and free weights.

Despite this, she remains what many would consider chunky. It's frustrating to her that people who barely work out or watch their food are thinner.

Still, she's awesome, and I'm glad she's my partner. Besides, she may look puffy, but she runs like a cheetah, swims like a fish, and farks like a mink.

/end Csb.


EXACTLY.

Thank you for your CSB, man. :D And your wife sounds hawt.
 
2014-06-12 01:09:46 PM  
I misread the headline as child predator and went to find this before realizing my mistake.

How about this:
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-12 01:11:22 PM  

GoldSpider: There are lazy, overindulgent people who are fat. There are also people who can't identify food that is bad for them and/or afford healthier alternatives who are fat.

Honestly I believe there are more people in the latter category. I don't think people have any idea how bad the food they are eating is for them. And it's frustrating to watch someone kill themself with food every day.


I agree.  When I started dieting a few years ago I began paying attention to portion control.  It was a huge attention-getter when I made a box of mac and cheese for dinner. Hubby eye-balled it and said, "is this just for me?"  I had been making such huge portions of crap for the whole family for years that my guys had the idea that one box equaled one portion instead of 4.  gah!
 
2014-06-12 01:14:40 PM  

Private_Citizen: Attila the Mom: Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.

Csb time:

Mrs. Citizen has a thyroid condition and takes meds for it. Still, she refuses to give up, and so she exercises constantly. We're talking 25 miles a week of running or jogging, plus swimming and free weights.

Despite this, she remains what many would consider chunky. It's frustrating to her that people who barely work out or watch their food are thinner.

Still, she's awesome, and I'm glad she's my partner. Besides, she may look puffy, but she runs like a cheetah, swims like a fish, and farks like a mink.

/end Csb.


That's great!  And it sounds like she has a wonderful, loving, supportive partner in you!
 
2014-06-12 01:16:30 PM  

TheGogmagog: I misread the headline as child predator and went to find this before realizing my mistake.

How about this:
[img.fark.net image 247x241]


*checks link*

That is the most adorable child predator ever.
 
2014-06-12 01:22:15 PM  
I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.
 
2014-06-12 01:22:25 PM  

Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.


This.

I couldn't be arsed to RTFA because... really? Being fat is a disability now? Seriously?

Sweet leaping lizards on a lollipop stick.
 
2014-06-12 01:29:30 PM  

Attila the Mom: Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.


My aunt has a thyroid condition. Doc finally found it, got her on medication for it, and now she's skinny as hell. (That may not be the case for everyone, though, because everyone is different)

I take a seizure med that has a side effect of weight gain. What a lot of folks who take those medications don't realize is that if you exercise as little as 25-30 minutes a day 4-5 days a week, it mitigates that weight gain considerably.
 
2014-06-12 01:30:27 PM  
Weight loss is a complicated subject.  One one hand, all it takes is to eat less and exercise more.  That's it.  It really is that simple.  Thyroid conditions (seems to be the go-to excuse these days) normally account for about 10 pounds of extra body weight.

On the other hand, making yourself actually *do* those things can be hard.  Fat people tend to have really messed up signaling in their bodies, so they're hungry when they're not supposed to be, exhausted easily, etc.  Losing weight and getting in shape is as much sorting all that shiat out as a simple energy balance.  Also, willpower is a limited resource, meaning if you do too much in the beginning, you end up reverting back to your original lifestyle and you're fat again.  It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I know a lot of this because I'm fat.  I researched stuff.  I'm getting better.
 
2014-06-12 01:30:51 PM  

Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".


I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...

Yellow Beard: Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.


It will.

That isn't to say it is easy, but yes it will solve it.
 
2014-06-12 01:31:25 PM  

Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.


I got 3/4's of the way through episode one while it was on Netflix. It was really cool to see how the lady changed through the show, and heartbreaking to see her still get mistreated despite her doing everything she could to correct it.

Also Big, Fat, and Nearly Dead  and "Hungry for Change" were pretty eye-opening when it comes to dieting and the food industry.
 
2014-06-12 01:34:45 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...

Yellow Beard: Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.

It will.

That isn't to say it is easy, but yes it will solve it.


It depends on the diet.
Keep eating the same foods but less of them? No. No, it won't.
Changing the diet slowly to be more fulfilling at first(i.e. more fibrous foods/vegetarian), then more likely.
 
2014-06-12 01:35:55 PM  
Cut the carbs, eat more fat.

/worked for me
//love keto
///slashies
 
2014-06-12 01:39:10 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [i670.photobucket.com image 700x292]


They're filmin' midgets!
 
2014-06-12 01:39:50 PM  

tlars699: It depends on the diet.


How easy it is depends ont he diet.

Foods effect your body in more than just calories and fullness.


tlars699: Keep eating the same foods but less of them? No. No, it won't.


Yes it will.

What you are arguing violates basic laws of thermdynamics.

If you keep everything else the same and eat less, you will lose weight until you reacha new equilibrium, if you reduce intake more you will lose more weight.


tlars699: Changing the diet slowly to be more fulfilling at first(i.e. more fibrous foods/vegetarian), then more likely


Fibrous, yes, simply more fulfilling, depends.

Vegetarian? Depends.
 
2014-06-12 01:41:12 PM  
If only there was some way to not be fat.  Some sort of utensil that can be put down
 
2014-06-12 01:42:49 PM  
Like a lot of addictions, I imagine there are often root causes that led to the eating behaviors that need to be addressed as well.
 
2014-06-12 01:44:00 PM  

Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.



no no no.

people are fat because of how they eat and live. This "b- b- b- but its medical! genetic! born this way!" is 99% bullshiat.

look at photos of crowds in times square in the 40s. NO FATTYS. If "it was our genes!" or "it was a genetic condition!" then we would've ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY. But we havent been. We are steadily fatter every generation as we do less and less physical labor, less and less physical free time activities, and get more and more sedentary in our lifestyles.

Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

i myself have a decent beergut. Why? Coz i drink 3-487 beers a night. Its not my farkin' GENES. Its ME.
And many of my friends are super fat. Why? Coz for fun they go to movies. They eat huge dinners at 9pm and never do anything physical / have work from home jobs. 
My wife is a slim tiny lil' thing. Why? coz she eats small portions and gets her sweat on every day with jogging and weights.

Being fat is a series of teensy tiny bad decisions you make, every day, for YEARS. Its NOT your glands, or your genes, or your thyroid. Its the little choices you make 10x a day every day.
 
2014-06-12 01:49:29 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...

Yellow Beard: Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.

It will.

That isn't to say it is easy, but yes it will solve it.


I am headed to Thailand in spring if it settles down there. I am told they pretty mush stare at Farangs no matter what we do so it may not have been what you ordered..lol

There is more to their obesity than just what they eat is my only point. They, as a rule, have mental issues that make that putting down the fork almost impossible. My sister is huge, as in 500 pounds, if I had to guess. I told her if her insurance wouldn't pay for the surgery and counseling that I would because if she doesn't do something she is going to die. She looked me in the eye and told me she was very happy the way she was and so was her husband. So I said sorry and have just accepted the fact that she is going to die well before she should.
 
2014-06-12 01:52:36 PM  
I thought being a fatass was an American thing.
 
2014-06-12 01:52:43 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: If only there was some way to not be fat.  Some sort of utensil that can be put down



Make them use chopsticks. You don't see many fat Chinese people. Q.E.D.
 
2014-06-12 01:54:24 PM  

Father_Jack: i myself have a decent beergut. Why? Coz i drink 3-487 beers a night. Its not my farkin' GENES. Its ME.


Same here... I love to cook... I love chinese food, beer, beef jerkey, almost anything fried... I hate to exercise... don't blame anyone but myself.
 
2014-06-12 01:55:35 PM  

Father_Jack: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.


no no no.

people are fat because of how they eat and live. This "b- b- b- but its medical! genetic! born this way!" is 99% bullshiat.

look at photos of crowds in times square in the 40s. NO FATTYS. If "it was our genes!" or "it was a genetic condition!" then we would've ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY. But we havent been. We are steadily fatter every generation as we do less and less physical labor, less and less physical free time activities, and get more and more sedentary in our lifestyles.

Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

i myself have a decent beergut. Why? Coz i drink 3-487 beers a night. Its not my farkin' GENES. Its ME.
And many of my friends are super fat. Why? Coz for fun they go to movies. They eat huge dinners at 9pm and never do anything physical / have work from ...


In general, I agree with you completely. However, for the ones that let themselves get to the point that they can only wipe their asses with a rag on a stick, there has to be some mental issues going on. how anybody can be happy living like that is completely alien to me.
 
2014-06-12 01:57:17 PM  

stuffy: I thought being a fatass was an American thing.


it is! but we're just first at it. Like with many things, it started with the US and is flowing to the rest of the planet.

Mexico recently passed the US as having a higher % of population fat.
The arabs have also gotten HUGE since the gulf war; kuwaitis saudis etc are also getting ginormous.
And even the Brits and Germans are catching up in this regard.

I remembered the first time i went to germany in 1994 i didnt see a fat person the whole time i was there that wasnt over 45. Now they look almost like we do... they're like how americans are on the Foodie coasts. Not as fat as the midwest or south but probably comparable to us in california.

where america still seems to really "win" in this dept is fat kids. never seen so many fattys under 20 as the US.
 
2014-06-12 01:59:40 PM  

Yellow Beard: I am headed to Thailand in spring if it settles down there. I am told they pretty mush stare at Farangs no matter what we do so it may not have been what you ordered..lol


It was a very nice place with lots of expats, and they were upper class, I am pretty sure it was what I ate.

But you will likely be stared at, in random public places.

Yellow Beard: There is more to their obesity than just what they eat is my only point. They, as a rule, have mental issues that make that putting down the fork almost impossible.


I get your point that it isn't the root cause, and there are issues that make seeing it as a problem or stopping eating hard.

But if you eat less you will fix 99.9% of morbid obesiety problems.


Yellow Beard: So I said sorry and have just accepted the fact that she is going to die well before she should


That is tough man, good luck. Hopefully she changes.
 
2014-06-12 02:07:46 PM  
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2014-06-12 02:10:51 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...


My Asian SIL remembers coming to the states and going out to eat for the first time. The waiter plopped a king cut sirloin in front of her dad, who began slicing it to pass around the table. Then the waiter put such a portion in front of all of them. They were very confused.
 
2014-06-12 02:11:53 PM  
FTA: Employers would have to find ways of accommodating fat workers so that they are not at a disadvantage to their slimmer colleagues.

This makes me think about a Vonnegut short story.  You can only give them so many advantages before you have to start handicapping the healthy ones to bring them down to the same level.

I think it's fairly repulsive to consider making employers responsible for an individual's series of poor life choices.

... and it is their choice.  Even with the less than 2% of the population that have genetic predilections favoring obesity, those folks can still maintain a healthy weight with proper diet and exercise.
 
2014-06-12 02:12:19 PM  

namegoeshere: My Asian SIL remembers coming to the states and going out to eat for the first time. The waiter plopped a king cut sirloin in front of her dad, who began slicing it to pass around the table. Then the waiter put such a portion in front of all of them. They were very confused.


I can see how it would be confusing trying to cut a sirloin with chopstix.
 
2014-06-12 02:12:37 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: So I said sorry and have just accepted the fact that she is going to die well before she should

That is tough man, good luck. Hopefully she changes.



She won't and nothing I can do will ever change that. It is a bitter pill and that she spared me from such a large expense does little to make it easier to swallow.
 
2014-06-12 02:16:46 PM  

quietwalker: FTA: Employers would have to find ways of accommodating fat workers so that they are not at a disadvantage to their slimmer colleagues.

This makes me think about a Vonnegut short story.  You can only give them so many advantages before you have to start handicapping the healthy ones to bring them down to the same level.

I think it's fairly repulsive to consider making employers responsible for an individual's series of poor life choices.

... and it is their choice.  Even with the less than 2% of the population that have genetic predilections favoring obesity, those folks can still maintain a healthy weight with proper diet and exercise.


Harrison Bergeron? *click* Yep! Happy now.  : ) I love that story.
 
2014-06-12 02:20:41 PM  

captjc: I could call it a disability, however I'm not referring to the 350 lb guy who just can't stop eating pizza, wings, and a whole bottle of soda for dinner. I'm talking about the "I'm so fat, I literally can't walk". At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.


So you're saying you want to incarcerate fat people? That's where junkies go unless they find help themselves.
 
2014-06-12 02:23:08 PM  

liam76: tlars699: It depends on the diet.

How easy it is depends ont he diet.

Foods effect your body in more than just calories and fullness.


tlars699: Keep eating the same foods but less of them? No. No, it won't.

Yes it will.
No it won't
What you are arguing violates basic laws of thermdynamics.
Your caloric intake should decrease, and it is thought that this would reduce weight, but that is for most people, not the extremely obese- these people would end up starving themselves and cause their body additional stress which increases the risks of stroke and heart attack.

It's part of the reasoning behind the thought of not giving these people gastric bypass; that significant a change to your system could put it into shock.

Also you are keeping the same items in your diet causing you to crave more of them as eating them will still send the same signals to your brain.


If you keep everything else the same and eat less, you will lose weight until you reacha new equilibrium, if you reduce intake more you will lose more weight.
But this would have to be done gradually, to avoid the stress/shock to the system. For some of the excessively obese, they do not have enough psychological/medical support to keep the program going for as long as this would take to become effective.

tlars699: Changing the diet slowly to be more fulfilling at first(i.e. more fibrous foods/vegetarian), then more likely

Fibrous, yes, simply more fulfilling, depends.
Foods that have a higher nutritional value cause you to have fewer cravings as your body is already getting what it needs.

Vegetarian? Depends.
Vegetarian diets are not supposed to be exclusively carbohydrate/starches/grains.
The main focus of these diets are supposed to be leafy greens and legumes for protein/fiber, with a  general* avoidance of animal based products and by-products.


*Not complete avoidance, but more of a reduction compared to the typical American "Omnivorous" Diet.
 
2014-06-12 02:37:08 PM  
Eventually obesity is going to be regarded as the serious public health problem that it is.

And yes, fatty and otherwise unhealthy foods are going to be taxed heavily to pay for the burden of health costs.

Because the US isn't going to voluntarily do it.
 
2014-06-12 02:43:53 PM  

CourtroomWolf: Weight loss is a complicated subject.  One one hand, all it takes is to eat less and exercise more.  That's it.  It really is that simple.  Thyroid conditions (seems to be the go-to excuse these days) normally account for about 10 pounds of extra body weight.

On the other hand, making yourself actually *do* those things can be hard.  Fat people tend to have really messed up signaling in their bodies, so they're hungry when they're not supposed to be, exhausted easily, etc.  Losing weight and getting in shape is as much sorting all that shiat out as a simple energy balance.  Also, willpower is a limited resource, meaning if you do too much in the beginning, you end up reverting back to your original lifestyle and you're fat again.  It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I know a lot of this because I'm fat.  I researched stuff.  I'm getting better.


They generally mistake thirst for hunger. Drinking more water alone makes it easier to diet.
 
2014-06-12 02:45:16 PM  
1 in 3 Americans weighs as much as the other 2.
 
2014-06-12 02:46:48 PM  

tlars699: liam76:What you are arguing violates basic laws of thermdynamics.

Your caloric intake should decrease, and it is thought that this would reduce weight, but that is for most people, not the extremely obese- these people would end up starving themselves and cause their body additional stress which increases the risks of stroke and heart attack.


It isn't just "thought" it is a fact. nobody has ever maintained weight by doing the same activities and cutting down on the same types of food.

tlars699: It's part of the reasoning behind the thought of not giving these people gastric bypass; that significant a change to your system could put it into shock.


A signifigant change may cause shock (not keep the same weight as you said above). And nobody said you have to make a significant change.


But this would have to be done gradually, to avoid the stress/shock to the system. For some of the excessively obese, they do not have enough psychological/medical support to keep the program going for as long as this would take to become effective.

You are the one who brought up a sudden signifigant change, not me.

Regardless of the support and difficulty the facts are very clear. Eat less of what you were eating and you will lose weight.

Everything else you mentioned isn't relevant to my comment.

Foods that have a higher nutritional value cause you to have fewer cravings as your body is already getting what it needs.

BS.

You said "fulfilling" and I took that to mean feel full longer, that si correct, however soem fufilling food is very bad for you. Your body has no idea how nutirtious it is and that plays a small role in how fufilling it is unless you are simply talking about macronutrients.

Vegetarian diets are not supposed to be exclusively carbohydrate/starches/grains.
The main focus of these diets are supposed to be leafy greens and legumes for protein/fiber, with a general* avoidance of animal based products and by-products.


I never said, "carbohydrate/starches/grains". The main focus of a vegetarian diet is simply vegetatrian, not " leafy greens and legumes for protein/fiber".

I could eat nothing but cheese and it woudl be vegetarian.

You are conflating a lot of terms you don't seem to have a good grasp on and spewing diet advice that breaks the laws of thermodynamics.
 
2014-06-12 02:55:12 PM  

quietwalker: FTA: Employers would have to find ways of accommodating fat workers so that they are not at a disadvantage to their slimmer colleagues.

This makes me think about a Vonnegut short story.  You can only give them so many advantages before you have to start handicapping the healthy ones to bring them down to the same level.

I think it's fairly repulsive to consider making employers responsible for an individual's series of poor life choices.

... and it is their choice.  Even with the less than 2% of the population that have genetic predilections favoring obesity, those folks can still maintain a healthy weight with proper diet and exercise.


I read that story in high school and loved it but couldn't remember what is was called or who wrote it. Thank you for bringing it back to me.
 
2014-06-12 03:07:34 PM  

Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.


www.lileks.com

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.
 
2014-06-12 03:13:36 PM  

Pangea: captjc: I could call it a disability, however I'm not referring to the 350 lb guy who just can't stop eating pizza, wings, and a whole bottle of soda for dinner. I'm talking about the "I'm so fat, I literally can't walk". At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.

So you're saying you want to incarcerate fat people? That's where junkies go unless they find help themselves.


Sure, in some places I know it is easy to  just round up the social misfits and throw them in the clink, but not everywhere. There are social programs to designed to help treat addiction, especially for nonviolent drug offenders that can be given in lieu of prison time. However, I'm not talking about using the justice system, as much as using programs that say, "if you want social services that are related to your problems, you need to show us that you are seeking treatment."
 
2014-06-12 03:28:33 PM  
If being fat is a disability, then so is my internet addiction.  I'd love to tell the boss he can't fire me for farking around all day long.
 
2014-06-12 03:32:50 PM  

This text is now purple: Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

[www.lileks.com image 600x918]

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.


Difficulty:  That's food for an entire family and not just one person.
 
2014-06-12 03:38:23 PM  

CourtroomWolf: This text is now purple: Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

[www.lileks.com image 600x918]

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.

Difficulty:  That's food for an entire family and not just one person.


You could feed a million people with that slop. It's like the miracle of the fishes.
 
2014-06-12 03:40:04 PM  

Sanguine Dawn: We'll cut the check as soon as we confirm that your sperm count is too low to manufacture more of you. Thank you.


Well, getting so fat that you can't touch your dick should pretty much preclude anyone else wanting to touch it as well. Self solving problem?
 
2014-06-12 03:59:14 PM  

captjc: Pangea: captjc: I could call it a disability, however I'm not referring to the 350 lb guy who just can't stop eating pizza, wings, and a whole bottle of soda for dinner. I'm talking about the "I'm so fat, I literally can't walk". At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.

So you're saying you want to incarcerate fat people? That's where junkies go unless they find help themselves.

Sure, in some places I know it is easy to  just round up the social misfits and throw them in the clink, but not everywhere. There are social programs to designed to help treat addiction, especially for nonviolent drug offenders that can be given in lieu of prison time. However, I'm not talking about using the justice system, as much as using programs that say, "if you want social services that are related to your problems, you need to show us that you are seeking treatment."


My Weeners was mostly a joke, but I do agree with your sentiment. I'm sure it makes me a bad person and means I hate poor people or something like that though.
 
2014-06-12 04:02:36 PM  
i.imgur.com

You recognise these Real Americans(tm).
 
2014-06-12 04:06:31 PM  

Snarfangel: Smeggy Smurf: If only there was some way to not be fat.  Some sort of utensil that can be put down


Make them use chopsticks. You don't see many fat Chinese people. Q.E.D.


Americans will just glue them together to make paddles for even faster shoveling of food.  We are if nothing else an ingenious country when it comes to farking things up.
 
2014-06-12 04:08:23 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:


What the fark is with people that they can go to work every day, see a chair like that at their desk and not realize they need to take drastic action to improve themselves.
 
2014-06-12 04:37:20 PM  

CourtroomWolf: This text is now purple: Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

[www.lileks.com image 600x918]

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.

Difficulty:  That's food for an entire family and not just one person.


Its also most likely home cooked with fresh(ish) ingredients which the body can digest, and not made in a factory with all sorts of fillers additives preservatives, frozen, and then microwaved.
 
2014-06-12 04:40:38 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 500x330]

You recognise these Real Americans(tm).


I think Corey got gastric bypass surgery done. He almost looks like a twig now compared to what he was in some of the first episodes.
 
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