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(Daily Mail)   Overweight childminder tries to have obesity declared a disability. Farkers nod approvingly, their jowls undulating like waves, sweat glistening in folds like an ocean sunset, breath heaving like a dirty phone call   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 159
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2014-06-12 09:31:27 AM  
weknowmemes.com
 
2014-06-12 11:27:36 AM  
dougernst.files.wordpress.com
SImpsons did it.
 
2014-06-12 11:28:12 AM  
Just make height and weight a protected class like they did in Michigan.

Also, lack of ability to put down the fork is not a disability.
 
2014-06-12 11:28:50 AM  
We'll cut the check as soon as we confirm that your sperm count is too low to manufacture more of you. Thank you.
 
2014-06-12 11:28:57 AM  
Also, aren't many of the other health problems you get from being that overweight already on the disability list?
 
2014-06-12 11:29:14 AM  
It sounds like subby is having a hard time finding a literary agent.
 
2014-06-12 11:29:46 AM  
He was sacked.
 
2014-06-12 11:30:58 AM  
My fingers are too fat to type this, so I have to use my penis because it's small enough...

*weeps into between-snack snack of entire lemon meringue pie*
 
2014-06-12 11:31:10 AM  
by flyover state standards that guy is svelte.
 
2014-06-12 11:31:36 AM  
strong headline,  subby. Consider yourself saluted.
 
2014-06-12 11:31:48 AM  
images.t-nation.com

Fat. Go somewhere else to be it.
 
2014-06-12 11:31:51 AM  
So by this rationale I should be able to claim any of my addictions as a disability? Jackpot!!!
 
2014-06-12 11:32:23 AM  
Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.
 
2014-06-12 11:34:03 AM  
I completely support the notion that it is not my fault I have a gut.

DONT BE FATISTS FARK!
 
2014-06-12 11:34:17 AM  
You guys have no idea how hard it is. Just last week, I went to the beach but didn't feel safe going in the water because the Japanese whaling ship had been tracking me for half an hour.
 
2014-06-12 11:34:24 AM  
British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

f.kulfoto.com
 
2014-06-12 11:34:27 AM  
Subby, your true calling is dirty romantic novella.
 
2014-06-12 11:35:10 AM  
Not having a disability is becoming a real disability.
 
2014-06-12 11:35:32 AM  

SmackLT: My fingers are too fat to type this, so I have to use my penis because it's small enough...

*weeps into between-snack snack of entire lemon meringue pie*


Aww, here's an internet hug.
Fat people shake so horribly when they cry.
 
2014-06-12 11:36:27 AM  
Just another day in....NEW JERSEY!!
 
2014-06-12 11:36:53 AM  
I'm getting in shape, though. Last night I did nearly 200 crunches in less than an hour.
mms.businesswire.com
 
2014-06-12 11:37:06 AM  
for some reason I thought of this guy:

www.virginmedia.com
 
2014-06-12 11:37:16 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]


do americans companies have to offer the fatass chair though? or is your company going above and beyond what the law requires for their obese employees in an effort to keep them jolly?
 
2014-06-12 11:38:22 AM  

Dimensio:


*Icantfaptothis*
 
2014-06-12 11:38:43 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]


Yep, I have a co-worker with one of those.  There's got to be stock to invest some money in, because shiat like this is just going up.
 
2014-06-12 11:40:09 AM  

Cymbal: So by this rationale I should be able to claim any of my addictions as a disability? Jackpot!!!


"Sir, you're just going to have to make reasonable accommodations for me being hungover every day."
 
2014-06-12 11:40:28 AM  
And when this is struck down by the courts, a wheezy gasp will pour out across this nation from the Cheetos-encrusted lips of a million angry tubbos.
 
2014-06-12 11:40:54 AM  
i1.kym-cdn.com
well thanks a lot subby
 
2014-06-12 11:41:41 AM  

LeroyBourne: There's got to be stock to invest some money in, because shiat like this is just going up.


peak fat has to be coming and when it does all the stock prices of those vendors will tumble because existing fatass chairs will cover the declining number of fatasses.
 
2014-06-12 11:42:33 AM  
stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2014-06-12 11:44:16 AM  

Headso: LeroyBourne: There's got to be stock to invest some money in, because shiat like this is just going up.

peak fat has to be coming and when it does all the stock prices of those vendors will tumble because existing fatass chairs will cover the declining number of fatasses.


I think peak fat has peaked in the UK and perhaps in the US. Excluding outliers. Like the Southern United States. And Chicago.
 
2014-06-12 11:45:50 AM  
I thought the word "overweight" had been expunged from the contemporary lexicon because of its judgmental implication and tone.
 
2014-06-12 11:46:00 AM  
This will not impact Farkers who, after all, are still virgins and cannot procreate.
 
2014-06-12 11:46:18 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass enhanced girth chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]


You should be ashamed of yourself.   Bully.
 
2014-06-12 11:47:50 AM  
Headline by the law firm Dickens, Updike & Hemingway
 
2014-06-12 11:48:15 AM  

SmackLT


You guys have no idea how hard it is. Just last week, I went to the beach but didn't feel safe going in the water because the Japanese whaling ship had been tracking me for half an hour.


Maybe you can go to DC with 1999 friends and have the Million Pound March.
 
2014-06-12 11:48:52 AM  
Disability?

No, but it is definitely a disorder.
 
2014-06-12 11:51:08 AM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: The guy one cube over has a fatass enhanced girth chair.


weight-advantaged. The answer to thin privilege.
 
2014-06-12 11:51:56 AM  

GoldSpider: I thought the word "overweight" had been expunged from the contemporary lexicon because of its judgmental implication and tone.


sounds like something you would find written by a victim/right wing pundit.
 
2014-06-12 11:52:39 AM  

Headso: LeroyBourne: There's got to be stock to invest some money in, because shiat like this is just going up.

peak fat has to be coming and when it does all the stock prices of those vendors will tumble because existing fatass chairs will cover the declining number of fatasses.


So invest in diabetes medication? That seems like the ticket.
 
2014-06-12 11:54:57 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]


I saw that referred to as the throne of freedom recently.
 
2014-06-12 11:55:08 AM  

Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

I feel victimized by your post. Can I have some disability money?

 
2014-06-12 11:55:26 AM  
Here...

www.nufcblog.org

Have a wafer thin mint and SHUT THE FARK UP!
 
2014-06-12 11:56:14 AM  

Headso: GoldSpider: I thought the word "overweight" had been expunged from the contemporary lexicon because of its judgmental implication and tone.

sounds like something you would find written by a victim/right wing pundit.


As many societal ills that the right wing is responsible for, language sanitization isn't one of them.
 
2014-06-12 11:57:55 AM  

Headso: by flyover state standards that guy is svelte.

For Farq commenters.


www.thewire.com
 
2014-06-12 11:58:18 AM  
Put. The fork. Down.
 
2014-06-12 11:58:32 AM  

JoieD'Zen: SmackLT: My fingers are too fat to type this, so I have to use my penis because it's small enough...

*weeps into between-snack snack of entire lemon meringue pie*

Aww, here's an internet hug.
Fat people shake so horribly when they cry.


Fat people don't cry... they sweat from their eyes.
 
2014-06-12 11:58:34 AM  

Headso: Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]

do americans companies have to offer the fatass chair though? or is your company going above and beyond what the law requires for their obese employees in an effort to keep them jolly?



After fatty mcfatterson breaks 3 or 4 regular office chairs, it's probably just cheaper to invest in a fatass chair..  And yes, I have watched as a corpulent female drop her weight into a wheeled chair and one of the wheels snapped off and dumped her on the ground.  Of course, she went for worker's comp, claiming an inferior and dangerous office environment.  And the next round of lay-offs had her name on the list.
 
2014-06-12 11:59:03 AM  
I could call it a disability, however I'm not referring to the 350 lb guy who just can't stop eating pizza, wings, and a whole bottle of soda for dinner. I'm talking about the "I'm so fat, I literally can't walk". At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.
 
2014-06-12 12:00:24 PM  

GoldSpider: I thought the word "overweight" had been expunged from the contemporary lexicon because of its judgmental implication and tone.


I believe the correct term now is "differently weighted"
 
2014-06-12 12:00:36 PM  

Farkage: Put. The fork. Down.


thisdistractedglobe.com
Forks are for closers...
 
2014-06-12 12:00:57 PM  
I did a Google Image Search for "undulating fat gif". And I found this (NSFW): http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/82589-2/Undulating_fat.gif
 
2014-06-12 12:01:50 PM  
I just looked up plus size office chairs as, once again, I have learned something new from Fark.  They look really comfortable.  I'm suprised their not already in my office as status/prestige symbols.

Seems like having a la-z-boy on casters.  Kind of want.
 
2014-06-12 12:02:19 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support.


The normal chairs don't have lumbar support? What kinda crap is that?
 
2014-06-12 12:02:32 PM  

JungleBoogie: I did a Google Image Search for "undulating fat gif". And I found this (NSFW): http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/82589-2/Undulating_fat.gif


hork...
 
2014-06-12 12:02:39 PM  

Farkage: Put. The fork. Down.


Ha!  You think they use forks!
 
2014-06-12 12:03:30 PM  
25 stone? I thought Brits used metric.

Or are there ten pebbles to the stone or something?
 
2014-06-12 12:03:44 PM  
Well, fair is fair I guess:

"Q. Are alcoholics covered by the ADA?

A.
 Yes. While a current illegal user of drugs is not protected by the ADA if an employer acts on the basis of such use, a person who currently uses alcohol is not automatically denied protection. An alcoholic is a person with a disability and is protected by the ADA if s/he is qualified to perform the essential functions of the job. An employer may be required to provide an accommodation to an alcoholic. However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct. An employer also may prohibit the use of alcohol in the workplace and can require that employees not be under the influence of alcohol. "
 
2014-06-12 12:04:54 PM  
If this is a disability, and I would argue strongly against it, what is his end goal?

He still can't do the job.

If your disability prevents you from doign a job, you shouldn't be hired for it.

There is no special tool or accomidation they can make that will prevent him from having to tie shoes, or any of the myriad of other tasks that a childminder would have to bend over for that this guys is too fat and or lazy to do.
 
2014-06-12 12:05:47 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]



I thought that was a loveseat.

For those that really love food.
 
2014-06-12 12:07:06 PM  

firemanbuck: GoldSpider: I thought the word "overweight" had been expunged from the contemporary lexicon because of its judgmental implication and tone.

I believe the correct term now is "differently weighted"


Gravitationally enhanced.
 
2014-06-12 12:07:10 PM  
riversihaveknown.com
 
2014-06-12 12:08:26 PM  

Snarfangel: 25 stone? I thought Brits used metric.


They do most of the time, but there are a couple of things they haven't been able to let go of: stone for weighing people (1st = 14lb = 6.35kg), pints for dispensing beer, and so on.
 
2014-06-12 12:08:27 PM  

IRQ12: However, an employer can discipline, discharge or deny employment to an alcoholic whose use of alcohol adversely affects job performance or conduct.


If you can be fired for being too drunk to do the job, then you should be fired for ebing too fat to do the job.
 
2014-06-12 12:09:08 PM  

Snarfangel: Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]


I thought that was a loveseat.

For those that really love food.


Opens up a whole new realm of awkward office encounters if you manage to score one of those and you're not fat.

"Please, come in and have a seat with me"
 
2014-06-12 12:10:13 PM  

Snarfangel: Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]


I thought that was a loveseat.

For those that really love food.


dammit I'm playing portal 2 and I read that in GLADOS' voice
 
2014-06-12 12:10:20 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-12 12:12:23 PM  

liam76: If this is a disability, and I would argue strongly against it, what is his end goal?



 Like most Obama voters, get paid for doing nothing.
 
2014-06-12 12:12:30 PM  
i670.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-12 12:14:13 PM  

Nuclear Monk: Snarfangel: Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:

[f.kulfoto.com image 275x383]


I thought that was a loveseat.

For those that really love food.

Opens up a whole new realm of awkward office encounters if you manage to score one of those and you're not fat.

"Please, come in and have a seat with me"


My doctor's office has a bunch of the big chairs in the waiting room. I was confused the first time I saw them - they're really big. They look more like loveseats than large chairs, but would be too intimate to share with a stranger. Then I thought, maybe they're meant for mother and child, except what about the moms with more than one kid? It didn't make sense to me until a helpful large patient demonstrated the correct usage.
 
2014-06-12 12:15:53 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-12 12:16:21 PM  

Snarfangel: 25 stone? I thought Brits used metric.


Pisses me off to no end when my old UK co-workers used that...mostly because I had absolutely no room to chide them give the ass backwards measurements in the US.
 
2014-06-12 12:17:36 PM  
Fark that; where's my disability check for my lifetime struggle with ADD?

They PROMISED us these things in the 21st century:  (!)

1.  Moon colonies
2.  Flying cars
3.  Space hotels
4.  Hypersonic passenger flights
5.  Disability ca$h for ADD

Whar $$$ whar?
 
2014-06-12 12:20:34 PM  

NEPAman: Fark that; where's my disability check for my lifetime struggle with ADD?

They PROMISED us these things in the 21st century:  (!)

1.  Moon colonies
2.  Flying cars
3.  Space hotels
4.  Hypersonic passenger flights
5.  Disability ca$h for ADD

Whar $$$ whar?



They PROMISED us five things in the 21st century:  (!)

1.  Moon colonies
2.  Disability ca$h for ADD
3.  Let's go ride bikes!
 
2014-06-12 12:21:37 PM  

GoldSpider: Headso: GoldSpider: I thought the word "overweight" had been expunged from the contemporary lexicon because of its judgmental implication and tone.

sounds like something you would find written by a victim/right wing pundit.

As many societal ills that the right wing is responsible for, language sanitization isn't one of them


who is victimizing you and making it so you can't say fatass or overweight?
 
2014-06-12 12:24:20 PM  
There is no fat like Branson Missouri Tourist fat.

They RENT rascals there. And its a booming business.
 
2014-06-12 12:26:24 PM  
I can always rely on the insensitivity of a fark fat thread to make me embarrass myself by laughing like an idjot at work

kudos
 
2014-06-12 12:26:37 PM  

Headso: GoldSpider: Headso: GoldSpider: I thought the word "overweight" had been expunged from the contemporary lexicon because of its judgmental implication and tone.

sounds like something you would find written by a victim/right wing pundit.

As many societal ills that the right wing is responsible for, language sanitization isn't one of them

who is victimizing you and making it so you can't say fatass or overweight?


Sensitivity training.
 
2014-06-12 12:27:23 PM  

crackwhore: I can always rely on the insensitivity of a fark fat fat fark thread to make me embarrass myself by laughing like an idjot at work

kudos


FTFY
 
2014-06-12 12:30:42 PM  

smitty04: liam76: If this is a disability, and I would argue strongly against it, what is his end goal?


 Like most Obama voters, get paid for doing nothing.


Can I save this for the next "independent" who b*tches about unnecessary partisan bickering in unrelated threads?
 
2014-06-12 12:32:00 PM  

TheNewJesus: There is no fat like Branson Missouri Tourist fat.

They RENT rascals there. And its a booming business.


They're still around?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-12 12:34:16 PM  

liam76: If this is a disability, and I would argue strongly against it, what is his end goal?

He still can't do the job.

If your disability prevents you from doign a job, you shouldn't be hired for it.

There is no special tool or accomidation they can make that will prevent him from having to tie shoes, or any of the myriad of other tasks that a childminder would have to bend over for that this guys is too fat and or lazy to do.


I thought that was obvious. Anyone who wants to claim a "disability" probably wishes to collect money without working.
 
2014-06-12 12:34:45 PM  

Cymbal: So by this rationale I should be able to claim any of my addictions as a disability? Jackpot!!!


That's why I'm mad that homosexuality is no longer considered a disease. I want to be able to call in to work with a case of gay.
 
2014-06-12 12:40:12 PM  
I like how every year the SSA sends you a letter letting you know how much the government would give you each month if you became disabled.  For me it seems like a perfectly livable amount (i think it's a percentage of your current wages).  I'd be lying if some days at the office i don't think about becoming disabled.  It's like a get out of wage slavery free card.
 
2014-06-12 12:43:07 PM  
Okay, okay- I think we can all agree that 400-500 lbs on almost any human musculo-skeletal frame is excessive.

BUT: These people are still capable of working, and will need to work to support themselves.
These people will still need clothing to fit them, even if they went out and started a diet/exercise program today.
These people most likely have medical professionals who advise them, and may already be attempting to lose weight to the best of their current ability, and so deserve Courtesy and Respect in passing, because they are still people.

Every time you make fun of someone very obviously overweight so they can hear you, you think you're being enlightening? Really?
You're the first one ever to ever say stupid crap just to make them feel bad, huh?

They do notice how hard it is to get around, or to clothe themselves, or to keep from being hungry.
If they don't, they're mentally handicapped, so way to go. The best you can claim is to have made fun of a mentally handicapped person.

Otherwise, they are bombarded with the fact that they are their size, every second of every day. And despite their current or previous efforts, have thus far been unfruitful.

So next time, how about some goddamned compassion?

You have no idea how they got that size- if there was an accident preventing mobility, severe untreated depression, thyroid issue, completely sedentary job, little to no access to nutritional food/birth control, hormonal imbalance, arthritis, addiction to sugar, actually not putting down the fork/being unwilling and lazy(there are these folks out there, but they're still people), etc.

You (most likely) have not been treating them medically and will never have to, and the likelihood of you EVER being offended by having to see them again is minimal at best; so either be polite, or mind your own farking business.
 
2014-06-12 12:43:44 PM  
If it passes, then people will eat themselves into a disability check. There will be fat clinics -and not to get rid of it!
 
2014-06-12 12:44:14 PM  
I started running a couple months ago. Two weeks ago, I ran a mile without stopping for the first time in my life, and the other day, it was three miles.

That said, while I'm enough of a porker to feel for this guy, I'm also feeling pretty smug. :-)
 
2014-06-12 12:44:32 PM  

proteus_b: Anyone who wants to claim a "disability" probably wishes to collect money without working.


Especially if they're disabled!  Pssh!
 
2014-06-12 12:50:36 PM  

dv-ous: I started running a couple months ago. Two weeks ago, I ran a mile without stopping for the first time in my life, and the other day, it was three miles.

That said, while I'm enough of a porker to feel for this guy, I'm also feeling pretty smug. :-)


Way to go, you!!!
 Keep up the awesome work!


/a bit jelly
//belly
 
2014-06-12 12:54:36 PM  
There are lazy, overindulgent people who are fat. There are also people who can't identify food that is bad for them and/or afford healthier alternatives who are fat.

Honestly I believe there are more people in the latter category. I don't think people have any idea how bad the food they are eating is for them. And it's frustrating to watch someone kill themself with food every day.
 
2014-06-12 12:56:20 PM  

tlars699: So next time, how about some goddamned compassion?


You know you are on fark right?
 
2014-06-12 12:57:27 PM  

dv-ous: I started running a couple months ago. Two weeks ago, I ran a mile without stopping for the first time in my life, and the other day, it was three miles.

That said, while I'm enough of a porker to feel for this guy, I'm also feeling pretty smug. :-)


The first step is the hardest, but then momentum is on your side.

I got heavy in my 20s, and could barely run 2 miles. 4 years after figuring out I was heading in a bad direction, I'm running my first marathon in October.
 
2014-06-12 12:57:39 PM  

Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.


While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.
 
2014-06-12 01:01:19 PM  

captjc: At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.


Oh no. Make it mandatory.
And take the word mandatory out of it.
just call it Semi-Rehab.
Because they are big as a truck.

There is no reason or excuse to eat until you are immobile.
That ought to be a crime. It is a drain on out resources, and a drain on society.
You're just a food junkie at that point.

Might as well drive a car with a fuel leak.
Or throw away money.
Or burn coal to heat your house.
You're part of the problem.
 
2014-06-12 01:02:00 PM  

tlars699: Okay, okay- I think we can all agree that 400-500 lbs on almost any human musculo-skeletal frame is excessive.

BUT: These people are still capable of working, and will need to work to support themselves.
These people will still need clothing to fit them, even if they went out and started a diet/exercise program today.
These people most likely have medical professionals who advise them, and may already be attempting to lose weight to the best of their current ability, and so deserve Courtesy and Respect in passing, because they are still people.

Every time you make fun of someone very obviously overweight so they can hear you, you think you're being enlightening? Really?
You're the first one ever to ever say stupid crap just to make them feel bad, huh?

They do notice how hard it is to get around, or to clothe themselves, or to keep from being hungry.
If they don't, they're mentally handicapped, so way to go. The best you can claim is to have made fun of a mentally handicapped person.

Otherwise, they are bombarded with the fact that they are their size, every second of every day. And despite their current or previous efforts, have thus far been unfruitful.

So next time, how about some goddamned compassion?

You have no idea how they got that size- if there was an accident preventing mobility, severe untreated depression, thyroid issue, completely sedentary job, little to no access to nutritional food/birth control, hormonal imbalance, arthritis, addiction to sugar, actually not putting down the fork/being unwilling and lazy(there are these folks out there, but they're still people), etc.

You (most likely) have not been treating them medically and will never have to, and the likelihood of you EVER being offended by having to see them again is minimal at best; so either be polite, or mind your own farking business.


You sound fat.
 
2014-06-12 01:03:27 PM  

GoldSpider: There are lazy, overindulgent people who are fat. There are also people who can't identify food that is bad for them and/or afford healthier alternatives who are fat.

Honestly I believe there are more people in the latter category. I don't think people have any idea how bad the food they are eating is for them. And it's frustrating to watch someone kill themself with food every day.


There are also others (a smaller percentage than the above two, to be sure) who have some other underlying cause that doesn't help matters, and there are some who are healthier with a larger girth (maybe 200-250 lbs depending on height/muscle), which is why it is particularly frustrating to come on here, and see comments about Joan from Mad Men having "Sharp Knees" with a sarcastic bent.

Not every woman was built to be as sveltely curvy as Scarlett Johannson, or Jessica Alba.

Also, the fat guy vs Channing Tatum pic is also seriously wrong.
Most of the women memes compare an almost skeletal model to a woman who is in the healthy range of being "overweight" (10-25 lbs over your standard BMI index means that you have less stress on your body on average, because you are more likely to indulge in moderation)

A more accurate depiction would be to take the fat guy and compare it to Christian Bale from The Machinist.

/end rant, dismantle soap box
 
2014-06-12 01:04:58 PM  

Gergesa: tlars699: So next time, how about some goddamned compassion?

You know you are on fark right?


Yes. I know. *eyeroll*

I can still try to promote understanding in those who seriously believe in the points trolls try to bring up.
 
2014-06-12 01:06:01 PM  

Attila the Mom: Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.


Csb time:

Mrs. Citizen has a thyroid condition and takes meds for it. Still, she refuses to give up, and so she exercises constantly. We're talking 25 miles a week of running or jogging, plus swimming and free weights.

Despite this, she remains what many would consider chunky. It's frustrating to her that people who barely work out or watch their food are thinner.

Still, she's awesome, and I'm glad she's my partner. Besides, she may look puffy, but she runs like a cheetah, swims like a fish, and farks like a mink.

/end Csb.
 
2014-06-12 01:07:27 PM  

BorgiaGinz: tlars699: Okay, okay- I think we can all agree that 400-500 lbs on almost any human musculo-skeletal frame is excessive.

BUT: These people are still capable of working, and will need to work to support themselves.
These people will still need clothing to fit them, even if they went out and started a diet/exercise program today.
These people most likely have medical professionals who advise them, and may already be attempting to lose weight to the best of their current ability, and so deserve Courtesy and Respect in passing, because they are still people.

Every time you make fun of someone very obviously overweight so they can hear you, you think you're being enlightening? Really?
You're the first one ever to ever say stupid crap just to make them feel bad, huh?

They do notice how hard it is to get around, or to clothe themselves, or to keep from being hungry.
If they don't, they're mentally handicapped, so way to go. The best you can claim is to have made fun of a mentally handicapped person.

Otherwise, they are bombarded with the fact that they are their size, every second of every day. And despite their current or previous efforts, have thus far been unfruitful.

So next time, how about some goddamned compassion?

You have no idea how they got that size- if there was an accident preventing mobility, severe untreated depression, thyroid issue, completely sedentary job, little to no access to nutritional food/birth control, hormonal imbalance, arthritis, addiction to sugar, actually not putting down the fork/being unwilling and lazy(there are these folks out there, but they're still people), etc.

You (most likely) have not been treating them medically and will never have to, and the likelihood of you EVER being offended by having to see them again is minimal at best; so either be polite, or mind your own farking business.

You sound fat.


I am, and I am working on it, though being pregnant with a hernia makes it sort of hard for the moment.
Moving to a better location to be able to bike to work and back (14 miles/day); hoping to get some training for that done during maternity leave.
 
2014-06-12 01:08:22 PM  
I consider any condition that impedes your ability to live a normal life to be disability. It doesn't matter how that condition came to be.
 
2014-06-12 01:09:03 PM  

Private_Citizen: Attila the Mom: Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.

Csb time:

Mrs. Citizen has a thyroid condition and takes meds for it. Still, she refuses to give up, and so she exercises constantly. We're talking 25 miles a week of running or jogging, plus swimming and free weights.

Despite this, she remains what many would consider chunky. It's frustrating to her that people who barely work out or watch their food are thinner.

Still, she's awesome, and I'm glad she's my partner. Besides, she may look puffy, but she runs like a cheetah, swims like a fish, and farks like a mink.

/end Csb.


EXACTLY.

Thank you for your CSB, man. :D And your wife sounds hawt.
 
2014-06-12 01:09:46 PM  
I misread the headline as child predator and went to find this before realizing my mistake.

How about this:
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-12 01:11:22 PM  

GoldSpider: There are lazy, overindulgent people who are fat. There are also people who can't identify food that is bad for them and/or afford healthier alternatives who are fat.

Honestly I believe there are more people in the latter category. I don't think people have any idea how bad the food they are eating is for them. And it's frustrating to watch someone kill themself with food every day.


I agree.  When I started dieting a few years ago I began paying attention to portion control.  It was a huge attention-getter when I made a box of mac and cheese for dinner. Hubby eye-balled it and said, "is this just for me?"  I had been making such huge portions of crap for the whole family for years that my guys had the idea that one box equaled one portion instead of 4.  gah!
 
2014-06-12 01:14:40 PM  

Private_Citizen: Attila the Mom: Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.

Csb time:

Mrs. Citizen has a thyroid condition and takes meds for it. Still, she refuses to give up, and so she exercises constantly. We're talking 25 miles a week of running or jogging, plus swimming and free weights.

Despite this, she remains what many would consider chunky. It's frustrating to her that people who barely work out or watch their food are thinner.

Still, she's awesome, and I'm glad she's my partner. Besides, she may look puffy, but she runs like a cheetah, swims like a fish, and farks like a mink.

/end Csb.


That's great!  And it sounds like she has a wonderful, loving, supportive partner in you!
 
2014-06-12 01:16:30 PM  

TheGogmagog: I misread the headline as child predator and went to find this before realizing my mistake.

How about this:
[img.fark.net image 247x241]


*checks link*

That is the most adorable child predator ever.
 
2014-06-12 01:22:15 PM  
I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.
 
2014-06-12 01:22:25 PM  

Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.


This.

I couldn't be arsed to RTFA because... really? Being fat is a disability now? Seriously?

Sweet leaping lizards on a lollipop stick.
 
2014-06-12 01:29:30 PM  

Attila the Mom: Rip Dashrock: Christ, everyone's a victim of something these days.

While I agree that some medical conditions (thyroid comes to mind) and medications can cause weight gain, I was obese for 15 years because I ate too damn much and didn't exercise.  I don't think I'm in the minority and it certainly wasn't because I had a disability.


My aunt has a thyroid condition. Doc finally found it, got her on medication for it, and now she's skinny as hell. (That may not be the case for everyone, though, because everyone is different)

I take a seizure med that has a side effect of weight gain. What a lot of folks who take those medications don't realize is that if you exercise as little as 25-30 minutes a day 4-5 days a week, it mitigates that weight gain considerably.
 
2014-06-12 01:30:27 PM  
Weight loss is a complicated subject.  One one hand, all it takes is to eat less and exercise more.  That's it.  It really is that simple.  Thyroid conditions (seems to be the go-to excuse these days) normally account for about 10 pounds of extra body weight.

On the other hand, making yourself actually *do* those things can be hard.  Fat people tend to have really messed up signaling in their bodies, so they're hungry when they're not supposed to be, exhausted easily, etc.  Losing weight and getting in shape is as much sorting all that shiat out as a simple energy balance.  Also, willpower is a limited resource, meaning if you do too much in the beginning, you end up reverting back to your original lifestyle and you're fat again.  It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I know a lot of this because I'm fat.  I researched stuff.  I'm getting better.
 
2014-06-12 01:30:51 PM  

Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".


I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...

Yellow Beard: Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.


It will.

That isn't to say it is easy, but yes it will solve it.
 
2014-06-12 01:31:25 PM  

Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.


I got 3/4's of the way through episode one while it was on Netflix. It was really cool to see how the lady changed through the show, and heartbreaking to see her still get mistreated despite her doing everything she could to correct it.

Also Big, Fat, and Nearly Dead  and "Hungry for Change" were pretty eye-opening when it comes to dieting and the food industry.
 
2014-06-12 01:34:45 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...

Yellow Beard: Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.

It will.

That isn't to say it is easy, but yes it will solve it.


It depends on the diet.
Keep eating the same foods but less of them? No. No, it won't.
Changing the diet slowly to be more fulfilling at first(i.e. more fibrous foods/vegetarian), then more likely.
 
2014-06-12 01:35:55 PM  
Cut the carbs, eat more fat.

/worked for me
//love keto
///slashies
 
2014-06-12 01:39:10 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [i670.photobucket.com image 700x292]


They're filmin' midgets!
 
2014-06-12 01:39:50 PM  

tlars699: It depends on the diet.


How easy it is depends ont he diet.

Foods effect your body in more than just calories and fullness.


tlars699: Keep eating the same foods but less of them? No. No, it won't.


Yes it will.

What you are arguing violates basic laws of thermdynamics.

If you keep everything else the same and eat less, you will lose weight until you reacha new equilibrium, if you reduce intake more you will lose more weight.


tlars699: Changing the diet slowly to be more fulfilling at first(i.e. more fibrous foods/vegetarian), then more likely


Fibrous, yes, simply more fulfilling, depends.

Vegetarian? Depends.
 
2014-06-12 01:41:12 PM  
If only there was some way to not be fat.  Some sort of utensil that can be put down
 
2014-06-12 01:42:49 PM  
Like a lot of addictions, I imagine there are often root causes that led to the eating behaviors that need to be addressed as well.
 
2014-06-12 01:44:00 PM  

Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.



no no no.

people are fat because of how they eat and live. This "b- b- b- but its medical! genetic! born this way!" is 99% bullshiat.

look at photos of crowds in times square in the 40s. NO FATTYS. If "it was our genes!" or "it was a genetic condition!" then we would've ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY. But we havent been. We are steadily fatter every generation as we do less and less physical labor, less and less physical free time activities, and get more and more sedentary in our lifestyles.

Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

i myself have a decent beergut. Why? Coz i drink 3-487 beers a night. Its not my farkin' GENES. Its ME.
And many of my friends are super fat. Why? Coz for fun they go to movies. They eat huge dinners at 9pm and never do anything physical / have work from home jobs. 
My wife is a slim tiny lil' thing. Why? coz she eats small portions and gets her sweat on every day with jogging and weights.

Being fat is a series of teensy tiny bad decisions you make, every day, for YEARS. Its NOT your glands, or your genes, or your thyroid. Its the little choices you make 10x a day every day.
 
2014-06-12 01:49:29 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...

Yellow Beard: Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.

It will.

That isn't to say it is easy, but yes it will solve it.


I am headed to Thailand in spring if it settles down there. I am told they pretty mush stare at Farangs no matter what we do so it may not have been what you ordered..lol

There is more to their obesity than just what they eat is my only point. They, as a rule, have mental issues that make that putting down the fork almost impossible. My sister is huge, as in 500 pounds, if I had to guess. I told her if her insurance wouldn't pay for the surgery and counseling that I would because if she doesn't do something she is going to die. She looked me in the eye and told me she was very happy the way she was and so was her husband. So I said sorry and have just accepted the fact that she is going to die well before she should.
 
2014-06-12 01:52:36 PM  
I thought being a fatass was an American thing.
 
2014-06-12 01:52:43 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: If only there was some way to not be fat.  Some sort of utensil that can be put down



Make them use chopsticks. You don't see many fat Chinese people. Q.E.D.
 
2014-06-12 01:54:24 PM  

Father_Jack: i myself have a decent beergut. Why? Coz i drink 3-487 beers a night. Its not my farkin' GENES. Its ME.


Same here... I love to cook... I love chinese food, beer, beef jerkey, almost anything fried... I hate to exercise... don't blame anyone but myself.
 
2014-06-12 01:55:35 PM  

Father_Jack: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

The "stars" of the show actually have pretty horrific tales of what led them to get where they are. Depression is a major factor and food keys the pleasure receptors in their brains. I have yet to see an episode where the weight is due to glandular problems but I am sure that is a cause for many.

Every facet of their lives is hard and they require a lot of help. Simply putting down the fork is not going to solve anything for the super obese. Every one of them on the show has the gastric surgery done. Even with that the success stories of keeping the weight off are rare.


no no no.

people are fat because of how they eat and live. This "b- b- b- but its medical! genetic! born this way!" is 99% bullshiat.

look at photos of crowds in times square in the 40s. NO FATTYS. If "it was our genes!" or "it was a genetic condition!" then we would've ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY. But we havent been. We are steadily fatter every generation as we do less and less physical labor, less and less physical free time activities, and get more and more sedentary in our lifestyles.

Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

i myself have a decent beergut. Why? Coz i drink 3-487 beers a night. Its not my farkin' GENES. Its ME.
And many of my friends are super fat. Why? Coz for fun they go to movies. They eat huge dinners at 9pm and never do anything physical / have work from ...


In general, I agree with you completely. However, for the ones that let themselves get to the point that they can only wipe their asses with a rag on a stick, there has to be some mental issues going on. how anybody can be happy living like that is completely alien to me.
 
2014-06-12 01:57:17 PM  

stuffy: I thought being a fatass was an American thing.


it is! but we're just first at it. Like with many things, it started with the US and is flowing to the rest of the planet.

Mexico recently passed the US as having a higher % of population fat.
The arabs have also gotten HUGE since the gulf war; kuwaitis saudis etc are also getting ginormous.
And even the Brits and Germans are catching up in this regard.

I remembered the first time i went to germany in 1994 i didnt see a fat person the whole time i was there that wasnt over 45. Now they look almost like we do... they're like how americans are on the Foodie coasts. Not as fat as the midwest or south but probably comparable to us in california.

where america still seems to really "win" in this dept is fat kids. never seen so many fattys under 20 as the US.
 
2014-06-12 01:59:40 PM  

Yellow Beard: I am headed to Thailand in spring if it settles down there. I am told they pretty mush stare at Farangs no matter what we do so it may not have been what you ordered..lol


It was a very nice place with lots of expats, and they were upper class, I am pretty sure it was what I ate.

But you will likely be stared at, in random public places.

Yellow Beard: There is more to their obesity than just what they eat is my only point. They, as a rule, have mental issues that make that putting down the fork almost impossible.


I get your point that it isn't the root cause, and there are issues that make seeing it as a problem or stopping eating hard.

But if you eat less you will fix 99.9% of morbid obesiety problems.


Yellow Beard: So I said sorry and have just accepted the fact that she is going to die well before she should


That is tough man, good luck. Hopefully she changes.
 
2014-06-12 02:07:46 PM  
www.threadbombing.com
 
2014-06-12 02:10:51 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: I have to admit being addicted to the show My 600 pound Life. Once you get past the disgust, it is frankly amazing how much food they can stuff in their gullet. My favorite was the guy who got the 8 piece family meal from KFC for a snack and my son who was watching it with me said "dad, isn't that the same thing we get for the 4 of us for dinner?".

I was staying in a nice hotel in thailand for work that had an awesome italian restaurant in it. I had been living in Indonesia for a few years so I was going to pig the fark out.

I had a tomato and mozarella salad, some deep fried app, a large (pepperroni I think) pizza and some type of cake pops covered with icecream.

RIght next to me was a Thai family of four who ordered pretty much the same thing (different pizza iirc) and the kids were cracking up at what a pig the farang was.

If I wasn't in very good shape I think judgement like that woudl make me re-think my choices...


My Asian SIL remembers coming to the states and going out to eat for the first time. The waiter plopped a king cut sirloin in front of her dad, who began slicing it to pass around the table. Then the waiter put such a portion in front of all of them. They were very confused.
 
2014-06-12 02:11:53 PM  
FTA: Employers would have to find ways of accommodating fat workers so that they are not at a disadvantage to their slimmer colleagues.

This makes me think about a Vonnegut short story.  You can only give them so many advantages before you have to start handicapping the healthy ones to bring them down to the same level.

I think it's fairly repulsive to consider making employers responsible for an individual's series of poor life choices.

... and it is their choice.  Even with the less than 2% of the population that have genetic predilections favoring obesity, those folks can still maintain a healthy weight with proper diet and exercise.
 
2014-06-12 02:12:19 PM  

namegoeshere: My Asian SIL remembers coming to the states and going out to eat for the first time. The waiter plopped a king cut sirloin in front of her dad, who began slicing it to pass around the table. Then the waiter put such a portion in front of all of them. They were very confused.


I can see how it would be confusing trying to cut a sirloin with chopstix.
 
2014-06-12 02:12:37 PM  

liam76: Yellow Beard: So I said sorry and have just accepted the fact that she is going to die well before she should

That is tough man, good luck. Hopefully she changes.



She won't and nothing I can do will ever change that. It is a bitter pill and that she spared me from such a large expense does little to make it easier to swallow.
 
2014-06-12 02:16:46 PM  

quietwalker: FTA: Employers would have to find ways of accommodating fat workers so that they are not at a disadvantage to their slimmer colleagues.

This makes me think about a Vonnegut short story.  You can only give them so many advantages before you have to start handicapping the healthy ones to bring them down to the same level.

I think it's fairly repulsive to consider making employers responsible for an individual's series of poor life choices.

... and it is their choice.  Even with the less than 2% of the population that have genetic predilections favoring obesity, those folks can still maintain a healthy weight with proper diet and exercise.


Harrison Bergeron? *click* Yep! Happy now.  : ) I love that story.
 
2014-06-12 02:20:41 PM  

captjc: I could call it a disability, however I'm not referring to the 350 lb guy who just can't stop eating pizza, wings, and a whole bottle of soda for dinner. I'm talking about the "I'm so fat, I literally can't walk". At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.


So you're saying you want to incarcerate fat people? That's where junkies go unless they find help themselves.
 
2014-06-12 02:23:08 PM  

liam76: tlars699: It depends on the diet.

How easy it is depends ont he diet.

Foods effect your body in more than just calories and fullness.


tlars699: Keep eating the same foods but less of them? No. No, it won't.

Yes it will.
No it won't
What you are arguing violates basic laws of thermdynamics.
Your caloric intake should decrease, and it is thought that this would reduce weight, but that is for most people, not the extremely obese- these people would end up starving themselves and cause their body additional stress which increases the risks of stroke and heart attack.

It's part of the reasoning behind the thought of not giving these people gastric bypass; that significant a change to your system could put it into shock.

Also you are keeping the same items in your diet causing you to crave more of them as eating them will still send the same signals to your brain.


If you keep everything else the same and eat less, you will lose weight until you reacha new equilibrium, if you reduce intake more you will lose more weight.
But this would have to be done gradually, to avoid the stress/shock to the system. For some of the excessively obese, they do not have enough psychological/medical support to keep the program going for as long as this would take to become effective.

tlars699: Changing the diet slowly to be more fulfilling at first(i.e. more fibrous foods/vegetarian), then more likely

Fibrous, yes, simply more fulfilling, depends.
Foods that have a higher nutritional value cause you to have fewer cravings as your body is already getting what it needs.

Vegetarian? Depends.
Vegetarian diets are not supposed to be exclusively carbohydrate/starches/grains.
The main focus of these diets are supposed to be leafy greens and legumes for protein/fiber, with a  general* avoidance of animal based products and by-products.


*Not complete avoidance, but more of a reduction compared to the typical American "Omnivorous" Diet.
 
2014-06-12 02:37:08 PM  
Eventually obesity is going to be regarded as the serious public health problem that it is.

And yes, fatty and otherwise unhealthy foods are going to be taxed heavily to pay for the burden of health costs.

Because the US isn't going to voluntarily do it.
 
2014-06-12 02:43:53 PM  

CourtroomWolf: Weight loss is a complicated subject.  One one hand, all it takes is to eat less and exercise more.  That's it.  It really is that simple.  Thyroid conditions (seems to be the go-to excuse these days) normally account for about 10 pounds of extra body weight.

On the other hand, making yourself actually *do* those things can be hard.  Fat people tend to have really messed up signaling in their bodies, so they're hungry when they're not supposed to be, exhausted easily, etc.  Losing weight and getting in shape is as much sorting all that shiat out as a simple energy balance.  Also, willpower is a limited resource, meaning if you do too much in the beginning, you end up reverting back to your original lifestyle and you're fat again.  It's a marathon, not a sprint.

I know a lot of this because I'm fat.  I researched stuff.  I'm getting better.


They generally mistake thirst for hunger. Drinking more water alone makes it easier to diet.
 
2014-06-12 02:45:16 PM  
1 in 3 Americans weighs as much as the other 2.
 
2014-06-12 02:46:48 PM  

tlars699: liam76:What you are arguing violates basic laws of thermdynamics.

Your caloric intake should decrease, and it is thought that this would reduce weight, but that is for most people, not the extremely obese- these people would end up starving themselves and cause their body additional stress which increases the risks of stroke and heart attack.


It isn't just "thought" it is a fact. nobody has ever maintained weight by doing the same activities and cutting down on the same types of food.

tlars699: It's part of the reasoning behind the thought of not giving these people gastric bypass; that significant a change to your system could put it into shock.


A signifigant change may cause shock (not keep the same weight as you said above). And nobody said you have to make a significant change.


But this would have to be done gradually, to avoid the stress/shock to the system. For some of the excessively obese, they do not have enough psychological/medical support to keep the program going for as long as this would take to become effective.

You are the one who brought up a sudden signifigant change, not me.

Regardless of the support and difficulty the facts are very clear. Eat less of what you were eating and you will lose weight.

Everything else you mentioned isn't relevant to my comment.

Foods that have a higher nutritional value cause you to have fewer cravings as your body is already getting what it needs.

BS.

You said "fulfilling" and I took that to mean feel full longer, that si correct, however soem fufilling food is very bad for you. Your body has no idea how nutirtious it is and that plays a small role in how fufilling it is unless you are simply talking about macronutrients.

Vegetarian diets are not supposed to be exclusively carbohydrate/starches/grains.
The main focus of these diets are supposed to be leafy greens and legumes for protein/fiber, with a general* avoidance of animal based products and by-products.


I never said, "carbohydrate/starches/grains". The main focus of a vegetarian diet is simply vegetatrian, not " leafy greens and legumes for protein/fiber".

I could eat nothing but cheese and it woudl be vegetarian.

You are conflating a lot of terms you don't seem to have a good grasp on and spewing diet advice that breaks the laws of thermodynamics.
 
2014-06-12 02:55:12 PM  

quietwalker: FTA: Employers would have to find ways of accommodating fat workers so that they are not at a disadvantage to their slimmer colleagues.

This makes me think about a Vonnegut short story.  You can only give them so many advantages before you have to start handicapping the healthy ones to bring them down to the same level.

I think it's fairly repulsive to consider making employers responsible for an individual's series of poor life choices.

... and it is their choice.  Even with the less than 2% of the population that have genetic predilections favoring obesity, those folks can still maintain a healthy weight with proper diet and exercise.


I read that story in high school and loved it but couldn't remember what is was called or who wrote it. Thank you for bringing it back to me.
 
2014-06-12 03:07:34 PM  

Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.


www.lileks.com

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.
 
2014-06-12 03:13:36 PM  

Pangea: captjc: I could call it a disability, however I'm not referring to the 350 lb guy who just can't stop eating pizza, wings, and a whole bottle of soda for dinner. I'm talking about the "I'm so fat, I literally can't walk". At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.

So you're saying you want to incarcerate fat people? That's where junkies go unless they find help themselves.


Sure, in some places I know it is easy to  just round up the social misfits and throw them in the clink, but not everywhere. There are social programs to designed to help treat addiction, especially for nonviolent drug offenders that can be given in lieu of prison time. However, I'm not talking about using the justice system, as much as using programs that say, "if you want social services that are related to your problems, you need to show us that you are seeking treatment."
 
2014-06-12 03:28:33 PM  
If being fat is a disability, then so is my internet addiction.  I'd love to tell the boss he can't fire me for farking around all day long.
 
2014-06-12 03:32:50 PM  

This text is now purple: Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

[www.lileks.com image 600x918]

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.


Difficulty:  That's food for an entire family and not just one person.
 
2014-06-12 03:38:23 PM  

CourtroomWolf: This text is now purple: Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

[www.lileks.com image 600x918]

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.

Difficulty:  That's food for an entire family and not just one person.


You could feed a million people with that slop. It's like the miracle of the fishes.
 
2014-06-12 03:40:04 PM  

Sanguine Dawn: We'll cut the check as soon as we confirm that your sperm count is too low to manufacture more of you. Thank you.


Well, getting so fat that you can't touch your dick should pretty much preclude anyone else wanting to touch it as well. Self solving problem?
 
2014-06-12 03:59:14 PM  

captjc: Pangea: captjc: I could call it a disability, however I'm not referring to the 350 lb guy who just can't stop eating pizza, wings, and a whole bottle of soda for dinner. I'm talking about the "I'm so fat, I literally can't walk". At that point, I think there should probably be some sort of semi-mandatory rehab like they give to junkies.

So you're saying you want to incarcerate fat people? That's where junkies go unless they find help themselves.

Sure, in some places I know it is easy to  just round up the social misfits and throw them in the clink, but not everywhere. There are social programs to designed to help treat addiction, especially for nonviolent drug offenders that can be given in lieu of prison time. However, I'm not talking about using the justice system, as much as using programs that say, "if you want social services that are related to your problems, you need to show us that you are seeking treatment."


My Weeners was mostly a joke, but I do agree with your sentiment. I'm sure it makes me a bad person and means I hate poor people or something like that though.
 
2014-06-12 04:02:36 PM  
i.imgur.com

You recognise these Real Americans(tm).
 
2014-06-12 04:06:31 PM  

Snarfangel: Smeggy Smurf: If only there was some way to not be fat.  Some sort of utensil that can be put down


Make them use chopsticks. You don't see many fat Chinese people. Q.E.D.


Americans will just glue them together to make paddles for even faster shoveling of food.  We are if nothing else an ingenious country when it comes to farking things up.
 
2014-06-12 04:08:23 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.

This is already a thing in Merica. The guy one cube over has a fatass chair. It's designed for people between 300 - 400 pounds. It looks like a regular chair with a wider seat and lumbar support. The company offers another chair for the 400 pounder pluses. It looks like this:


What the fark is with people that they can go to work every day, see a chair like that at their desk and not realize they need to take drastic action to improve themselves.
 
2014-06-12 04:37:20 PM  

CourtroomWolf: This text is now purple: Father_Jack: Couple this with the western processed food fetish and the fact that a huge amount of our diet is terribly unhealthy and unnutritious (compare how people shopped in the 50s and what they ate, where their food came from, and the portions served in restaurants), and you get a recipe for FAT FATTY MCFATFATS.

[www.lileks.com image 600x918]

What food in the 1950s looked like.

It's amazing we didn't all starve to death.

Difficulty:  That's food for an entire family and not just one person.


Its also most likely home cooked with fresh(ish) ingredients which the body can digest, and not made in a factory with all sorts of fillers additives preservatives, frozen, and then microwaved.
 
2014-06-12 04:40:38 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 500x330]

You recognise these Real Americans(tm).


I think Corey got gastric bypass surgery done. He almost looks like a twig now compared to what he was in some of the first episodes.
 
2014-06-12 04:56:12 PM  
Attila the Mom:

That's great!  And it sounds like she has a wonderful, loving, supportive partner in you!


Wow. How YOU doin'? I'll be your wonderful, loving, supportive partner...


/well not the wonderful part
//or the supportive.
///loving part only lasts 30 seconds, but BOY HOWDY
 
2014-06-12 05:04:53 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 500x330]

You recognise these Real Americans(tm).


I don't know. I tell you what, let me call a buddy and let him take a look at that picture.
 
2014-06-12 05:24:34 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.



That's the thing that gets me when I see a fatass parking in the close spot, and then plopping down into an electric cart. Maybe if you tried walking more than 10 feet you wouldn't be so damn fat.
 
2014-06-12 05:36:10 PM  

big pig peaches: What the fark is with people that they can go to work every day, see a chair like that at their desk and not realize they need to take drastic action to improve themselves.


This.

I try really hard to reserve judgement on the fatties because - as has been said - I don't know their story.  But I've got these preconceived judgements and bias against land whales that are difficult to ignore when 99% of the fatties I see are reinforcing the negative stereotypes of the "differently weighted." I see the cows at work coming back from lunch with two bags of McDonalds and the largest size drink they serve (32 oz.?).  I see some fatass on a scooter at Walmart, loading their scooter basket with junk food and soda.  It's disgusting.  So when I do see that one chunky chick, running on the trail, breathing heavy, running a 15-minute mile, and sweating the calories off, I have a great appreciation for her.  She's lapping everyone sitting at home on the couch.  Hats off.  Good job, lady.  Much respect.  Keep doing what you're doing and you won't be that big for long.  "Thyroid condition" my ass.  Get off your fat ass and DO SOMETHING about it.  Everything else is just whiny excuses.
 
2014-06-12 06:44:54 PM  
Sounds like Britain needs a war! That will put them back into shape ... or dye trying ... leaving body grease all over the battlefield ...
 
2014-06-12 06:50:39 PM  

MythDragon: Harry Freakstorm: British companies may soon have to treat obese workers as 'disabled' and provide them with larger seats and parking spaces next to the office.


That's the thing that gets me when I see a fatass parking in the close spot, and then plopping down into an electric cart. Maybe if you tried walking more than 10 feet you wouldn't be so damn fat.


Don't have them park up close, put them in...
*dons dark sunglasses*
overflow parking.
YEEEAAAAHHHHHHHH!
 
2014-06-12 09:17:27 PM  

Snarfangel: Smeggy Smurf: If only there was some way to not be fat.  Some sort of utensil that can be put down


Make them use chopsticks. You don't see many fat Chinese people. Q.E.D.


They aren't Chinese, but you are aware that sumo wrestlers also eat with chopsticks, aren't you? Properly (improperly?) wielded chopsticks can be highly efficient food shoveling devices.
 
2014-06-12 09:50:38 PM  

Geoff Peterson: Attila the Mom:

That's great!  And it sounds like she has a wonderful, loving, supportive partner in you!


Wow. How YOU doin'? I'll be your wonderful, loving, supportive partner...


/well not the wonderful part
//or the supportive.
///loving part only lasts 30 seconds, but BOY HOWDY


All your sweet talk sure made this old lady's day!  Even the 30 seconds part. LOL
 
2014-06-13 12:29:04 AM  

DarwinianReject: big pig peaches: What the fark is with people that they can go to work every day, see a chair like that at their desk and not realize they need to take drastic action to improve themselves.

This.

I try really hard to reserve judgement on the fatties because - as has been said - I don't know their story.  But I've got these preconceived judgements and bias against land whales that are difficult to ignore when 99% of the fatties I see are reinforcing the negative stereotypes of the "differently weighted." I see the cows at work coming back from lunch with two bags of McDonalds and the largest size drink they serve (32 oz.?).  I see some fatass on a scooter at Walmart, loading their scooter basket with junk food and soda.  It's disgusting.  So when I do see that one chunky chick, running on the trail, breathing heavy, running a 15-minute mile, and sweating the calories off, I have a great appreciation for her.  She's lapping everyone sitting at home on the couch.  Hats off.  Good job, lady.  Much respect.  Keep doing what you're doing and you won't be that big for long.  "Thyroid condition" my ass.  Get off your fat ass and DO SOMETHING about it.  Everything else is just whiny excuses.


They say "well at least I'm not that guy, eating 4 big macs for lunch", and then proceed to eat 3 big macs for lunch.
 
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