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(Daily Mail)   Pop quiz hotshot. Armed robbers are using your daughter as a human shield. What do you do? What do you do?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 458
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2014-06-13 10:27:42 AM  

mrshowrules: HeadLever: mrshowrules: The sovereignty of the US was never protected by armed citizens.

Again, sure it was.  Armed citizens are what makes up the armed forces.  These are not mutually exclusive subsets of people.

You are just playing lame semantics but if you wish:

cit·i·zen  [sit-uh-zuhn, -suhn]  Show IPA
noun
1.
a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection (distinguished from alien ).
2.
an inhabitant of a city or town, especially one entitled to its privileges or franchises.
3.
an inhabitant, or denizen: The deer is a citizen of our woods.
4.
a civilian, as distinguished from a soldier, police officer, etc.


Are police tried in a civilian court?

The only other option is the UCMJ.....can you cite any cop who was tried under the UCMJ? No ? therefore cops are civilians.
 
2014-06-13 10:37:19 AM  

Giltric: mrshowrules: HeadLever: mrshowrules: The sovereignty of the US was never protected by armed citizens.

Again, sure it was.  Armed citizens are what makes up the armed forces.  These are not mutually exclusive subsets of people.

You are just playing lame semantics but if you wish:

cit·i·zen  [sit-uh-zuhn, -suhn]  Show IPA
noun
1.
a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection (distinguished from alien ).
2.
an inhabitant of a city or town, especially one entitled to its privileges or franchises.
3.
an inhabitant, or denizen: The deer is a citizen of our woods.
4.
a civilian, as distinguished from a soldier, police officer, etc.

Are police tried in a civilian court?

The only other option is the UCMJ.....can you cite any cop who was tried under the UCMJ? No ? therefore cops are civilians.


First, they are citizens and they aren't considered citizens based on which particular sense of the term you are using.  Your point is moot because I was making the distinction between soldiers and non-soldiers anyways and that is a proper use of the term and if you don't believe me, check the Geneva Conventions which goes into more detail.

The point its, the 2nd Amendment did not protect the US from a Japanese land invasion.  That's farking stupid.
 
2014-06-13 10:51:26 AM  

Doom MD: What hardware store did you buy that broad brush you're painting with? Do you actually know anyone who owns guns?


I have owned guns, my brother is a cop who is about to retire after 24 years and owns 3 guns, and all his friends are cops who own lots more guns. I've seen this up close and personal.

Any more stupid questions?
 
2014-06-13 10:53:59 AM  

Doom MD: What hardware store did you buy that broad brush you're painting with? Do you actually know anyone who owns guns?


My brother and I were also in the military, me for 6 years, he for 4.
 
2014-06-13 11:51:27 AM  

rewind2846: As I mentioned upthread, it's not the people in poor or drug infested neighborhoods that have arsenals in their houses that would be the envy of Afghani Insurgents, but white males in white towns way out in big wide flat square areas where a drunk driving arrest actually makes the front page of the local paper for an entire week's worth of issues. They seem to be the ones who are the most afraid of something which has less likelihood of happening to them than being struck by lightning while holding a winning lottery ticket


So you are worried about a guy way out in the boonies miles and miles away from anyone, having so many guns he gets a misfire and it affects.......nobody because there is nobody around?

That's the guy you are worried about?  That's where the vast majority of the gun deaths occur?

Next up, lets worry about Coke contributing to DWIs.
 
2014-06-13 11:52:44 AM  

mrshowrules: You are just playing lame semantics but if you wish:


No, you are.

Let me ask you two questions - 1) does a soldier have to give up citizenship when they join the military?  2)  Is a US soldier (assume born in the US for simplicity sake) considered a citizen of the US?

I noticed you #4 definition had to switch from Citizen to Civilian.  While these are the same in many circumstances, there is a connotation that does not always match
 
2014-06-13 01:18:02 PM  

rewind2846: As I mentioned upthread, it's not the people in poor or drug infested neighborhoods that have arsenals in their houses that would be the envy of Afghani Insurgents, but white males in white towns way out in big wide flat square areas where a drunk driving arrest actually makes the front page of the local paper for an entire week's worth of issues. They seem to be the ones who are the most afraid of something which has less likelihood of happening to them than being struck by lightning while holding a winning lottery ticket.

They are arming themselves for an event that will happen probably never. That is called paranoia.


Yeah, I wonder how the paranoid guy did in Katrina or Sandy.   Plenty of wives complained about wasting money on something that will probably never happen and they won't need that airtight food and 5 gallon jugs of water.   Those gas cans, they take up space that could be used to store HER stuff.
 
2014-06-13 01:58:05 PM  

mrshowrules: Giltric: mrshowrules: HeadLever: mrshowrules: The sovereignty of the US was never protected by armed citizens.

Again, sure it was.  Armed citizens are what makes up the armed forces.  These are not mutually exclusive subsets of people.

You are just playing lame semantics but if you wish:

cit·i·zen  [sit-uh-zuhn, -suhn]  Show IPA
noun
1.
a native or naturalized member of a state or nation who owes allegiance to its government and is entitled to its protection (distinguished from alien ).
2.
an inhabitant of a city or town, especially one entitled to its privileges or franchises.
3.
an inhabitant, or denizen: The deer is a citizen of our woods.
4.
a civilian, as distinguished from a soldier, police officer, etc.

Are police tried in a civilian court?

The only other option is the UCMJ.....can you cite any cop who was tried under the UCMJ? No ? therefore cops are civilians.

First, they are citizens and they aren't considered citizens based on which particular sense of the term you are using.  Your point is moot because I was making the distinction between soldiers and non-soldiers anyways and that is a proper use of the term and if you don't believe me, check the Geneva Conventions which goes into more detail.

The point its, the 2nd Amendment did not protect the US from a Japanese land invasion.  That's farking stupid.


Cops are calling themselves "operators" now.

Tier one special forces Seal team delta rangers.

No matter what they try to call themselves they are still civilians.
 
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