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2014-06-12 11:40:53 AM  

Giltric: mrshowrules: Click Click D'oh: Giltric: I like Pat Mcnamaras training course.

He makes you run around and lift heavy things and throw them around before shooting so your arms are tired and you're breathing and heart rate is increased.

We have on occasion had people a little over confident in their abilities while performing the state mandated qualifications, so we give them the <Insert company name here> Qualification + Course.

This consists of having them run a lap around the office complex next to our facility.  While they are out there doing that, the range instructor field strips their firearm on the bench, turns out the lights on the range and turns on a beat up old light bar we took off a wrecked car.  When the shooter gets back in, they have to re-assemble their firearm and conduct the prescribed course of fire while the instructor is yelling at them with a bullhorn.

Needless to say, there are some common themes:
1) People new to the profession universally do terribly.
2) Deflating egos is fun.
3) It's well known that you don't take a 1911 to qualification :)

Yet a person with absolutely no training can manage to kill a fark load of people.  Also, a person with zero training cap exercise perfect gun safety by not buying/owning a gun.

Why are subjects to the crown so concerned with the rights of citizens?


Our observance of the Crown is purely symbolic, not unlike how you think you are a soldier protecting your country with your gun collection.  Neither have any basis in practical reality.
 
2014-06-12 11:41:53 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.


As I said: the best solution would have been giving the armed, hostage-taking robbers the benefit of the doubt. I am pleased that others agree with me.
 
2014-06-12 11:42:13 AM  

Cold_Sassy: WTFDYW: Dirty J1: starsrift: Dirty J1: You see! For all you anti gun vaginas out there, this is the good side of gun ownership. What would have been the alternative? Let them barge in, rape the daughter, kill the dad, rape and kill the mom, then kill the daughter? I can't see a more plausible solution than what this guy did. Bravo.

Well, everybody knows that the presence of a gun or not isn't the issue. Dad could've done the same actions with a knife, or so I've been led to believe.

Lol you've been led astray then my friend. Ever heard "don't bring a knife to a gun fight?" If I were the criminal with a gun and he pulled a knife, I'd laugh and shoot him.

He was being sarcastic. LOL

FARK desperately needs a sarcasm font.


I wouldn't say it was sarcasm but satire, inverting the claim about mass murderers of "if they didn't get a gun, they'd use a knife or sword" or whatever. Because it's a farking ridiculous argument.

In total - as I explained to phenn in my Weeners to him - which he didn't seem to grasp, but whatever - using an innocent as a backstop (or forestop?) to your shots doesn't sound like a responsible gun owner.

I'm glad it all worked out, and that the mother missed completely instead of hitting her daughter by accident, and that the father only missed low (thigh wounds in addition to body shots) instead of hitting his daughter. I'm a little disturbed by some of the "the bullets landed where they were supposed to, so the actions were correct" comments along the thread. Making the assumption of accuracy doesn't seem like a safe bet. As an advisory tale on why a homeowner should have a gun, I don't think this is the one we're looking for - the mother got very very lucky, and the father was either luck or skill. Hopefully it's the latter.
But, like Elliot8654 said, if Americans didn't have guns, it'd be something else. Farking savages, the lot of you. :)
 
2014-06-12 11:44:34 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.


No bystanders got injured, 1 dead perp, and 1 critically wounded perp.

How is this not a win/win for everyone?
 
2014-06-12 11:44:57 AM  

Elliot8654: trevzie: Elliot8654: Cold_Sassy: Dimensio: Elliot8654: Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

I am pleased that I am not the only person who recognize that killing someone who is allegedly threatening the life of a family member denies that person due process and a fair trial.

Dimensio, I generally enjoy your posts but this is plain old stupid.

Do you really think the type of behavior on the aggressors part was A-OK?  Did you read that one of the perps was on trial for murder but charges were dismissed because of witness intimidation?   Some people are not entitled to the courtesy of "their day in court" when they choose to exhibit such behavior.

Sometimes, what has to be done in the moment gets done in the moment.  Did you read that the parents of the girl were not charged with any crime?  What does that tell you?

"Some people are not entitled to their day in court"?

So you don't believe in all the amendments in the bill of rights, just the 2nd?

If someone is captured alive by law enforcement, they are have the right to a trial.  The constutition doesn't guarantee you the right to live through a gunfight when you invade someones home with a weapon.

You seem to think that the criminals right to a trial is supposed to supercede the right of self defense. It doesn't, hence why no charges were files against the father.

Ya know what? Fine.
I think I need to move back to England.
I find it absolutely amazing that this country is so absolutely gung ho for bring able to shoot other people.

Even if America did license and control guns, from the sounds of it you would just invent new ways to kill each other.


Have a nice trip, Govna'!
 
2014-06-12 11:45:13 AM  

Elliot8654: joness0154: Elliot8654: give me doughnuts: starsrift: If you want to have a serious discussion, I'll entertain it. Tell me how guns made this better.


With just a few bullets purchased and fired by a citizen, the St. Louis court system avoided having to pay for the trial and incarceration of a felon. In New York in 2012, the cost just to house, care for, and guard a single inmate was over $180,000.

A win for the taxpayers!

Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

Hooray! Who needs the other amendments when we have the 2nd!

Yeah, no need to have police sharpshooters to rescue hostages either!

We can all gather round the campfire and sing koombaya together, hostage takers and all.

When you show no concern or respect for human life of another, don't be surprised when a protective father decides to do anything he can to preserve his family.

This was a good shoot. The hostage takers sealed their own fate. Don't want to die? How about not pointing a gun at some girls head to begin with.

God, we've got a bunch of pussies in here this morning.

Yep. Dad saved his daughter. Had to kill someone to do it. Not the happiest about people dying.

Sorry if you are totally happy killing people. I would prefer we didn't if it could be avoided. And since they were using her for leverage, and a dead hostage is worthless, the chance of them actually killing her is not as guaranteed as you would think.


I'm glad you're ok with people pointing guns at the heads of your children.
 
2014-06-12 11:47:01 AM  

joness0154: Cold_Sassy: Dimensio: Elliot8654: Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

I am pleased that I am not the only person who recognize that killing someone who is allegedly threatening the life of a family member denies that person due process and a fair trial.

Dimensio, I generally enjoy your posts but this is plain old stupid.

Do you really think the type of behavior on the aggressors part was A-OK?  Did you read that one of the perps was on trial for murder but charges were dismissed because of witness intimidation?   Some people are not entitled to the courtesy of "their day in court" when they choose to exhibit such behavior.

Sometimes, what has to be done in the moment gets done in the moment.  Did you read that the parents of the girl were not charged with any crime?  What does that tell you?

He's been sarcastitrolling all morning. You just bit, as did I yesterday. Haha


Dimensio's posts in gun threads are great. I have him favorited just so the sarcasm doesn't go unappreciated
 
2014-06-12 11:47:18 AM  

joness0154: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.

No bystanders got injured, 1 dead perp, and 1 critically wounded perp.

How is this not a win/win for everyone?


How, exactly, were the criminals winners in this incident?
 
2014-06-12 11:49:41 AM  

Dimensio: Evidently the father referenced in the article decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.


Yes, in these situations, there is no time to discuss in committee.
 
2014-06-12 11:50:48 AM  
 
2014-06-12 11:52:27 AM  

rikdanger: From the Comments:
"Winomaster, St Louis, United States, 2 hours ago

I live just down the street from this incident. The problem we have in this country is that after we have ample evidence of who the bad apples are, we allow them to continue to run loose. There are some habitable islands off the coast of Alaska that could work as good cost effective prison colonies. This is especially cost effective because we could also use that same island for a firing range for Navy battleships"

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Don't forget some of them are volcanic.  That just adds to the entertainment.
 
2014-06-12 11:52:33 AM  

Dimensio: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.

As I said: the best solution would have been giving the armed, hostage-taking robbers the benefit of the doubt. I am pleased that others agree with me.


Couldn't resist.

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2014-06-12 11:53:56 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Once I thought everyone would know this video was satire... Now I'm not so sure.


I haven't seen that. That's pretty damn brilliant - bookmarked!
 
2014-06-12 11:57:02 AM  

Elliot8654: Giltric: Elliot8654: What happens when the guys who break in are armored and with ak47's

What with like a fishing vest or catchers chest protector like Lanza and the Aurora shooter?

Remember the north Hollywood shootout? Or was that before your time?


I love how anti gun freaks always bring up the North Hollywood shootout as an example of why the police need armored vehicles and real assault rifles or that armed criminals someone cannot be taken down.
Of course the police need to outfitted like a Marine platoon! Look at what happened in North Hollywood.
That was one incident that besides being handled very poorly has never happened again.
But the Left uses it as an example of for their gun ban and military local police causes.

When a homeowner hears about a home invasion (which happen in far greater numbers than North Hollywood style shootouts) and wants to arm himself against such a threat the homeowner is call 'paranoid', a 'gun nut', someone who lives in fear and a whole host of other derogatory names.

Care to explain why that is?
 
2014-06-12 11:59:54 AM  

Elliot8654: JuggleGeek: Elliot8654: How do you not understand this? If someone steals something, they can be arrested and return it. If they break something, you can make them pay for it.

Maybe.  If you catch them, and if they have the ability to pay for it.

But if they had gotten in the house and disarmed the parents, we don't know what they would have done.  Maybe they would have taken what they wanted and killed the three witnesses.  One of them had been charged with murder before, with the case dropped due to lack of witnesses.

So innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to him, and you just speculate worst case scenario, so kill them and ask questions later.

Wonderful.


This is why people don't take bleeding hearts seriously
 
2014-06-12 12:04:07 PM  

Elliot8654: JustGetItRight: Elliot8654: Remember the north Hollywood shootout? Or was that before your time?

Do you remember that a good bit of their armor was home built and only effective because the LAPD wasn't armed with anything more powerful than a shotgun?  Had one been available, a redneck's deer rifle would have ended the whole thing with two rounds.

Yep. Always the answer. Bigger guns. Homemade armor, then even bigger guns.

At what point does America just become the trenches of WW1 with nicer houses?


You realize that incident happened 20 years ago? Anyway it's really obvious you have no knowledge of firearms. A typical FUDD bolt action would've ended that incident pretty quickly.
 
2014-06-12 12:04:39 PM  

Launch Code: This man should be charged with a hate crime. He obviously hated these poor individuals. The whole family is probably racists. The daughter probably looked at the gentlemen disrespectfully and caused this whole incident. So she should be charged with inciting a riot. The wife is the hero here because she tried not to hurt anyone and was probably forced to shoot by her evil husband, who's probably a super racist and a woman hater.
As a proud liberal I would NEVER allow firearms near my house. Those things are dangerous killing machines and kill people indiscriminately whenever the device feels like going off. If guns were outlawed this incident would've never happened because those gentlemen would never use something illegal to force fellow Americans to do something. If guns were outlawed, those gentleman would have to get jobs and become contributing members of society.
This family, probably racists, should've acted more appropriately and the lives of these 2 poor souls would've been spared. Think of their poor families that now have to deal with the loss.
As a proud democrat that believes strongly in constitution, except the dumb parts, I would've handled the situation differently. I would've asked my wife to call 911 and while waiting for the cops that are always parked within seconds of mine and everyone else's location. I would've informed the gentleman that committing this crime would probably prevent them from legally purchasing firearms in the future. I would've explained that I voted for obama, but not because of his race. I would've cried and whimpered and told them where all my valuables are located. I would've offered up my daughters and the wife's, depending on her looks, sex parts. I would've offered to take one of the gentlemen to my ATM while the other stayed with my family and watched TV and ate snacks and had participated in civil intelligent conversation. Or, I would've grabbed the wife, escaped out the back door and called 911. Hopefully the cops ...


This was by far, the funniest post I've read on Fark today.

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2014-06-12 12:04:48 PM  

Dimensio: Please explain a means to prevent criminals from constructing homemade armor.


Maybe it will also work to prevent someone from armoring up a bulldozer and trashing a town.
 
2014-06-12 12:06:45 PM  

joness0154: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.

No bystanders got injured, 1 dead perp, and 1 critically wounded perp.

How is this not a win/win for everyone?


It doesn't fit the narrative


The cognitive dissonance in light of the Wilcox thread is deliciously palpable
 
2014-06-12 12:10:42 PM  

Doom MD: It doesn't fit the narrative


The cognitive dissonance in light of the Wilcox thread is deliciously palpable


Exactly.  Everyone in that thread was parroting that the end result was the only thing that mattered.

If we use that logic and apply it to this incident....
 
2014-06-12 12:10:56 PM  

zepher: But the Left uses it as an example of for their gun ban and military local police causes.


sorry but the states with the highest incarceration rates and most ridiculous drug laws are red states. The only issue conservatives have right are gun laws. I call on every gun enthusiast to become a liberal who disagrees with that single policy position  rather than being a conservative that carries water for oligarchs and theocrats all just because they agree with you on this one issue.
 
2014-06-12 12:11:50 PM  
....an a and the gun homicide count goes up.
 
2014-06-12 12:12:07 PM  

give me doughnuts: In New York in 2012, the cost just to house, care for, and guard a single inmate was over $180,000.

A win for the taxpayers!


I guess the reason they house a lot of inmates together is because in bulk they're a lot cheaper per unit.
 
2014-06-12 12:13:09 PM  

durbnpoisn: Kit Fister: TheGregiss: phenn: starsrift: Well, this ought to be good for a few gun nuts' masturbatory fantasies.

Oh, FFS. Spare me, Bunny Foo Foo.

When some asshole shoots up a bunch of innocent people and your side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's relevant and important.

When someone uses a firearm precisely as it's intended to save the life of a family member and our side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's masturbatory.

Cut me a mother-farking break.

Yeah! Why mass shootings are so rare and incidents like in the article are the norm!

FBI and CDC both indicate in their data that there are anywhere from 300,000 to over a million uses of a Firearm in self defensive situations a year.

The number of mass shootings are sub-10 per year.


Pfft...  Nice stats.  We've had like 10 just this month.
It's almost getting to the point that mass shooters may have to rethink their motive.  If the case is that most of them are trying to gain some sort of infamy by doing something horrific on the way out, that is.  No one will remember EVERY one of them.  So, perhaps all the mass shootings will have the unintended upshot of becoming so common that people just won't see the purpose in doing it any more.


If the jerkoff media would stop glorifying their behavior and STFU about it, it would stop.
 
2014-06-12 12:15:37 PM  

Dimensio: joness0154: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.

No bystanders got injured, 1 dead perp, and 1 critically wounded perp.

How is this not a win/win for everyone?

How, exactly, were the criminals winners in this incident?


One gets free housing, the other, early retirement.
 
2014-06-12 12:20:28 PM  

Dimensio: joness0154: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.

No bystanders got injured, 1 dead perp, and 1 critically wounded perp.

How is this not a win/win for everyone?

How, exactly, were the criminals winners in this incident?


One got to leave life early, the other gets to live and win a few years of boyfriends in jail?
 
2014-06-12 12:20:41 PM  

RsquaredW: Another Government Employee: Nice shooting.

I'm guessing he has some military background. Takes a good bit of patience to wait for your shot.

I'm also guessing he knew his perps. This was a targeted takedown.

In the realm of completely baseless speculation, I'd bet that the perp "holding hostage" was really waving his piece around like he owned the place and had the girl in the Standard Female Immobilization Grip (the upper arm), not in the Standard Movie Standoff Hostage Pose.  Little doubt that girl and perp knew each other and there was an argument, probably a bunch of expletives and verbal cockwaving.  Dad's tired of the scumbag being around, pops him and his little friend figuring that the fam can get their stories straight together.  The only evidence I have for this theory is that the perp never got off a shot, which seems unlikely when both dad and mom put rounds on target (or off target, in the mom's case).


A lot of folks (like Mom)  would have just shot in a knee jerk reaction and hit the wrong target (the daughter).  No, this guy took a breath and assessed before shooting.

The reason I think this was a targeted event is the perps went right for the duaghter. This leads me to believe the perp knew that Daddy was armed.

I wonder why they chose that house?  Money? Drugs?
 
2014-06-12 12:25:41 PM  

Another Government Employee: I wonder why they chose that house? Money? Drugs?


Target of opportunity with the daughter being outside and vulnerable?
 
2014-06-12 12:25:53 PM  

RassilonsExWife: UseUrHeadFred: I give my daughter the "kill" command. Then I take the dead robber's wallet and have an ice cream cone with his money.

Eta Kooram Nah Smech!


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Rubba de jawa, wookie nipple pinchy!
 
2014-06-12 12:28:18 PM  

WTFDYW: Dirty J1: starsrift: Dirty J1: You see! For all you anti gun vaginas out there, this is the good side of gun ownership. What would have been the alternative? Let them barge in, rape the daughter, kill the dad, rape and kill the mom, then kill the daughter? I can't see a more plausible solution than what this guy did. Bravo.

Well, everybody knows that the presence of a gun or not isn't the issue. Dad could've done the same actions with a knife, or so I've been led to believe.

Lol you've been led astray then my friend. Ever heard "don't bring a knife to a gun fight?" If I were the criminal with a gun and he pulled a knife, I'd laugh and shoot him.

He was being sarcastic. LOL


Oh..... Well my bad lol.
 
2014-06-12 12:37:43 PM  

Elliot8654: give me doughnuts: starsrift: If you want to have a serious discussion, I'll entertain it. Tell me how guns made this better.


With just a few bullets purchased and fired by a citizen, the St. Louis court system avoided having to pay for the trial and incarceration of a felon. In New York in 2012, the cost just to house, care for, and guard a single inmate was over $180,000.

A win for the taxpayers!

Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

Hooray! Who needs the other amendments when we have the 2nd!


The alternative in this scenario is worse. This was the best possible outcome. If the other guy had survived tp go to trial, it would mean the father and daughter would most likely be dead.

Does the right to a fair trial trump the right to live?
 
2014-06-12 12:39:15 PM  

Dimensio: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.

As I said: the best solution would have been giving the armed, hostage-taking robbers the benefit of the doubt. I am pleased that others agree with me.


10/10

You really had me going, you magnificent bastard.
 
2014-06-12 12:40:10 PM  

cwolf20: Considering how screwed up society is. I was expecting the father to be arrested for murder, and the daughter to be brought up on charges of being an accessory.


Luckily this didn't happen in Chicago, New York City, Maryland, Washington DC, or Massachusetts.
 
2014-06-12 12:41:32 PM  

Elliot8654: phenn: Elliot8654: How do you not understand this? If someone steals something, they can be arrested and return it. If they break something, you can make them pay for it.

Killing people isn't something we can fix or undo. It's basic.

I get the need to defend yourself. I do. But America is the only country who subscribes to "peace through superior firepower" in its own city streets.

How do YOU not get it? Someone had this man's daughter and was holding a gun to her farking head! It probably had zero to do with killing the dude (mentally) and EVERYTHING to do with saving her life.

Jebus.

I get it. I get it. Defend your daughter.
It's the whole societal love affair with guns and power.

This one case isn't the point. What happens when the guys who break in are armored and with ak47's? Then your average family will be stocking anti tank rounds.

It's a big dumb escalation that is happening almost nowhere else in the world.


Armor and AK-47's? This isn't a movie.
 
2014-06-12 12:43:16 PM  
The 17-year-old had been fetching items from her car outside her home in St Louis, Missouri around 11pm when the two men grabbed her, put a gun to her head and forced her up to the front door as a human shield.

The girl's father, 34, saw the men approaching with his teen daughter and grabbed his own gun to fire shots at them from the home where a five-year-old boy was also present.


So I want to rob someone so I wait til the father who doesn't live there is home and instead of busting the door in or a window I take a hostage on the street and try to negotiate my way in? And the father has time to get his gun and shoot me around his daughter while me and my partner can't hit anyone and neither can mom? I guess that could happen...but I won't be surprised if there's more to this story.

McClinton was charged with second-degree murder for the death of his alleged accomplice, and a judge ordered him held on a $1 million cash-only bond, the station reports. A spokesman for the circuit attorney's office told CBS St. Louis that if someone dies during the commission of a felony - even a suspect - murder charges can be filed. The charge is also referred to as felony murder.

Heh.
 
2014-06-12 12:43:23 PM  

mschwenk: Elliot8654: give me doughnuts: starsrift: If you want to have a serious discussion, I'll entertain it. Tell me how guns made this better.


With just a few bullets purchased and fired by a citizen, the St. Louis court system avoided having to pay for the trial and incarceration of a felon. In New York in 2012, the cost just to house, care for, and guard a single inmate was over $180,000.

A win for the taxpayers!

Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

Hooray! Who needs the other amendments when we have the 2nd!

The alternative in this scenario is worse. This was the best possible outcome. If the other guy had survived tp go to trial, it would mean the father and daughter would most likely be dead.

Does the right to a fair trial trump the right to live?


Or they steal stuff, back out, push the girl, and run because they don't want murder added to the list of charges. Arrested later that day.

Explain how dead people is the "best"outcome. I'm glad nothing happened to the family or girl, but people get so happy that someone got shot. I would much prefer no one had to die.
 
2014-06-12 12:43:58 PM  

mschwenk: Elliot8654: phenn: Elliot8654: How do you not understand this? If someone steals something, they can be arrested and return it. If they break something, you can make them pay for it.

Killing people isn't something we can fix or undo. It's basic.

I get the need to defend yourself. I do. But America is the only country who subscribes to "peace through superior firepower" in its own city streets.

How do YOU not get it? Someone had this man's daughter and was holding a gun to her farking head! It probably had zero to do with killing the dude (mentally) and EVERYTHING to do with saving her life.

Jebus.

I get it. I get it. Defend your daughter.
It's the whole societal love affair with guns and power.

This one case isn't the point. What happens when the guys who break in are armored and with ak47's? Then your average family will be stocking anti tank rounds.

It's a big dumb escalation that is happening almost nowhere else in the world.

Armor and AK-47's? This isn't a movie.


North Hollywood?
 
2014-06-12 12:45:34 PM  

uttertosh: Grotesk: Dead armed robbers were shot by a man who used his teenage daughter as a human shield while a home was invaded?

comma goes where?

I understand what you mean, but the lack of comma after the word 'robbers' makes all the difference here.

The headline of TFA is headachey, but not really in the way you point out.


I was trying to figure out

A) How dead robbers were robbing his house, and

2) Why the dad was using his daughter as a human shield.
 
2014-06-12 12:46:11 PM  

Doom MD: joness0154: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The teenager's mother also fired shots. The bullets from the gunfire went all the way across the street, into a neighbor's home.

No bystanders got injured, 1 dead perp, and 1 critically wounded perp.

How is this not a win/win for everyone?

It doesn't fit the narrative


The cognitive dissonance in light of the Wilcox thread is deliciously palpable


I imagine the "run out the door and call 911/ cowardice is a virtue" crowd will find some way to spin it.   Something along the lines of how this dad was a reckless cowboy that put everyone in danger and if they had just waited for the super cops to arrive maybe this poor little criminal might have a chance to be rehabilitated.

Oh sorry Nina, I didn't see you there....troll on sweety.
 
2014-06-12 12:48:03 PM  
This man drinks liberal tears for dinner.

/cry more libs
 
2014-06-12 12:49:29 PM  

WTFDYW: Witness99: Clearly, the right thing to do in a situation like this is to lock the door and call 911. When they break in, you call a "time out" because it's going to take the police 15 minutes to get there. You say calm down everybody, you don't want to do anything you would regret. Let's take a breather, have a beer and allow cooler heads to prevail. Also, would you mind leaving your firearms outside as this is a gun free zone (point to the sign to validate your claim).

This way, nobody gets killed, raped, hurt or robbed. You've done the civil thing rather than arrogantly appointing yourself judge, jury and executioner. And you've taught those two young men a lesson in manners, which they will need to legitimately attract the affections of those like your daughter.

That was beautiful.

Thank you.


I agree. Double Plus Good.
 
2014-06-12 12:50:20 PM  

Another Government Employee: A lot of folks (like Mom)  would have just shot in a knee jerk reaction and hit the wrong target (the daughter).  No, this guy took a breath and assessed before shooting.

The reason I think this was a targeted event is the perps went right for the duaghter. This leads me to believe the perp knew that Daddy was armed.


So, basically,  it is easier to grab females than males, and people generally reside indoors and it is easier to grab people that are outside than those that are inside, so therefore they know dad is armed?

Got it, Sherlock.
 
2014-06-12 12:51:00 PM  

Elliot8654: mschwenk: Elliot8654: give me doughnuts: starsrift: If you want to have a serious discussion, I'll entertain it. Tell me how guns made this better.


With just a few bullets purchased and fired by a citizen, the St. Louis court system avoided having to pay for the trial and incarceration of a felon. In New York in 2012, the cost just to house, care for, and guard a single inmate was over $180,000.

A win for the taxpayers!

Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

Hooray! Who needs the other amendments when we have the 2nd!

The alternative in this scenario is worse. This was the best possible outcome. If the other guy had survived tp go to trial, it would mean the father and daughter would most likely be dead.

Does the right to a fair trial trump the right to live?

Or they steal stuff, back out, push the girl, and run because they don't want murder added to the list of charges. Arrested later that day.

Explain how dead people is the "best"outcome. I'm glad nothing happened to the family or girl, but people get so happy that someone got shot. I would much prefer no one had to die.


I guess you missed the part about this guy being previously charged with murder and the only reason the charges were dropped is the witness backed out of testifying.
 
2014-06-12 12:53:01 PM  

mschwenk: cwolf20: Considering how screwed up society is. I was expecting the father to be arrested for murder, and the daughter to be brought up on charges of being an accessory.

Luckily this didn't happen in Chicago, New York City, Maryland, Washington DC, or Massachusetts.


Residents of those places could still use pepper spray. The Massachusetts legislature even voted to remove the requirement of possessing a firearms identification card for purchasing and possessing pepper spray.
 
2014-06-12 12:53:16 PM  

CADMonkey79: Elliot8654: mschwenk: Elliot8654: give me doughnuts: starsrift: If you want to have a serious discussion, I'll entertain it. Tell me how guns made this better.


With just a few bullets purchased and fired by a citizen, the St. Louis court system avoided having to pay for the trial and incarceration of a felon. In New York in 2012, the cost just to house, care for, and guard a single inmate was over $180,000.

A win for the taxpayers!

Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

Hooray! Who needs the other amendments when we have the 2nd!

The alternative in this scenario is worse. This was the best possible outcome. If the other guy had survived tp go to trial, it would mean the father and daughter would most likely be dead.

Does the right to a fair trial trump the right to live?

Or they steal stuff, back out, push the girl, and run because they don't want murder added to the list of charges. Arrested later that day.

Explain how dead people is the "best"outcome. I'm glad nothing happened to the family or girl, but people get so happy that someone got shot. I would much prefer no one had to die.

I guess you missed the part about this guy being previously charged with murder and the only reason the charges were dropped is the witness backed out of testifying.


No. I got that part.

I missed the part where the "best thing" possible still involves people dying.
 
2014-06-12 12:54:43 PM  

Elliot8654: Explain how dead people is the "best"outcome. I'm glad nothing happened to the family or girl, but people get so happy that someone got shot. I would much prefer no one had to die.


People generally are not simply happy that someone got shot.  They don't mind that some dirt-bag was shot.
 
2014-06-12 12:58:35 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Elliot8654: Explain how dead people is the "best"outcome. I'm glad nothing happened to the family or girl, but people get so happy that someone got shot. I would much prefer no one had to die.

People generally are not simply happy that someone got shot.  They don't mind that some dirt-bag was shot.


Never forget that to someone out there, I am a bleeding heart libtard dirt-bag, someone else in this thread is a tea party gun nut dirt-bag, and you are a dirtbag to someone else.

Dirt-bag is not a good reason to not care if someone gets killed.

I bet he thought the people he was robbing and the person he killed were rich dirt bags.
 
2014-06-12 12:58:47 PM  

Elliot8654: CADMonkey79: Elliot8654: mschwenk: Elliot8654: give me doughnuts: starsrift: If you want to have a serious discussion, I'll entertain it. Tell me how guns made this better.


With just a few bullets purchased and fired by a citizen, the St. Louis court system avoided having to pay for the trial and incarceration of a felon. In New York in 2012, the cost just to house, care for, and guard a single inmate was over $180,000.

A win for the taxpayers!

Yay! Instead of anyone getting a fair trial or actually figuring out what caused this or how to make it better, we just kill people!

Hooray! Who needs the other amendments when we have the 2nd!

The alternative in this scenario is worse. This was the best possible outcome. If the other guy had survived tp go to trial, it would mean the father and daughter would most likely be dead.

Does the right to a fair trial trump the right to live?

Or they steal stuff, back out, push the girl, and run because they don't want murder added to the list of charges. Arrested later that day.

Explain how dead people is the "best"outcome. I'm glad nothing happened to the family or girl, but people get so happy that someone got shot. I would much prefer no one had to die.

I guess you missed the part about this guy being previously charged with murder and the only reason the charges were dropped is the witness backed out of testifying.

No. I got that part.

I missed the part where the "best thing" possible still involves people dying.


Because the deceased was a violent criminal that won't be able to victimize anyone else.  How's that hard to grasp?
 
2014-06-12 01:04:03 PM  

CADMonkey79: Because the deceased was a violent criminal that won't be able to victimize anyone else.  How's that hard to grasp?


But according to their family, they were good kids starting to turn their lives around!  They didn't deserve this!
 
2014-06-12 01:07:12 PM  
good.
 
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