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(Daily Mail)   Pop quiz hotshot. Armed robbers are using your daughter as a human shield. What do you do? What do you do?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 458
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2014-06-12 06:40:09 AM  
Clearly, the right thing to do in a situation like this is to lock the door and call 911. When they break in, you call a "time out" because it's going to take the police 15 minutes to get there. You say calm down everybody, you don't want to do anything you would regret. Let's take a breather, have a beer and allow cooler heads to prevail. Also, would you mind leaving your firearms outside as this is a gun free zone (point to the sign to validate your claim).

This way, nobody gets killed, raped, hurt or robbed. You've done the civil thing rather than arrogantly appointing yourself judge, jury and executioner. And you've taught those two young men a lesson in manners, which they will need to legitimately attract the affections of those like your daughter.
 
2014-06-12 06:40:23 AM  

Yaw String: Dad did well. Mom sounds like a liability.


No kidding, especially since her daughter was the human shield.  I'm sure the daughter is delighted that her dad is such a great shot; and that her mom is that bad instead of almost good enough.  But seriously, though, if I were in that situation, I would never have enough confidence in my aim to shoot at a target who is using my child as a shield.
 
2014-06-12 06:44:28 AM  
McClinton!

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2014-06-12 06:49:43 AM  

Dimensio: Evidently the father referenced in the article decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.


white knighting for thugs who took a hostage. You farkers are unreal
 
2014-06-12 06:51:22 AM  

Livingroom: quickly try to decide what to kill them with, my AR15 pistol with EoTech, my AR15 rifle with ACOG, or my H&K91 with Fero Z-24 scope. or, go hardcore and use one of my glocks. either way, i'm going suppressed so i dont hurt my daughter's hearing!


What's that about F-Zero and a Super Scope?
 
2014-06-12 06:52:26 AM  
You see! For all you anti gun vaginas out there, this is the good side of gun ownership. What would have been the alternative? Let them barge in, rape the daughter, kill the dad, rape and kill the mom, then kill the daughter? I can't see a more plausible solution than what this guy did. Bravo.
 
2014-06-12 06:53:20 AM  

WraithSama: Yaw String: Dad did well. Mom sounds like a liability.

No kidding, especially since her daughter was the human shield.  I'm sure the daughter is delighted that her dad is such a great shot; and that her mom is that bad instead of almost good enough.  But seriously, though, if I were in that situation, I would never have enough confidence in my aim to shoot at a target who is using my child as a shield.


The article doesn't  indicate which guy had the daughter. It sort of indicates they were coming through the door. Depending on the size of the 17 year old, she probably didn't  cover much of the one guy, and probably didn't cover any of the other. The article doesn't really spell out the order  in which they were shot. Dad probably opened up on the one  that was open, then switched to the other when/if he panicked and opened himself up.

Mostly guesses on my part.
 
2014-06-12 06:54:00 AM  

danielscissorhands: Daily Fail Headline:

"Father shoots dead armed robbers using his teenage daughter as human shield during home invasion"

That wasn't very nice of the father to use his daughter as a human shield.


Well, he was shooting dead armed robbers, so I don't think there was much chance they'd fight back. It's the UN-dead robbers you really have to be wary of.
 
2014-06-12 06:56:40 AM  
Shoot the glass
 
2014-06-12 06:58:57 AM  

Dimensio: Evidently the father referenced in the article decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.


And the problem is what?
 
2014-06-12 07:00:57 AM  

Dirty J1: You see! For all you anti gun vaginas out there, this is the good side of gun ownership. What would have been the alternative? Let them barge in, rape the daughter, kill the dad, rape and kill the mom, then kill the daughter? I can't see a more plausible solution than what this guy did. Bravo.


Well, everybody knows that the presence of a gun or not isn't the issue. Dad could've done the same actions with a knife, or so I've been led to believe.
 
2014-06-12 07:02:45 AM  
This story is fake. I learned in the other thread that a good guy with a gun never wins.
 
2014-06-12 07:05:43 AM  

TheGregiss: phenn: starsrift: Well, this ought to be good for a few gun nuts' masturbatory fantasies.

Oh, FFS. Spare me, Bunny Foo Foo.

When some asshole shoots up a bunch of innocent people and your side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's relevant and important.

When someone uses a firearm precisely as it's intended to save the life of a family member and our side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's masturbatory.

Cut me a mother-farking break.

Yeah! Why mass shootings are so rare and incidents like in the article are the norm!


Actually true. Successful defensive gun use in the United States is somewhere in the ballpark of 2.5 million annually, with most of those not requiring firing the weapon. But don't let the truth get in the way of your truthiness.
 
2014-06-12 07:09:10 AM  
The last thing the criminal saw..
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2014-06-12 07:22:20 AM  

WraithSama: But seriously, though, if I were in that situation, I would never have enough confidence in my aim to shoot at a target who is using my child as a shield


Spend the $150-200 on a laser and get to the range once a month. Drink 3 Five Hour Energys 20 minutes before you hit the range to simulate the adrinaline rush.

http://www.crimsontracelaser.com/

/but holy shiat, I can't imagine pulling the trigger either
 
2014-06-12 07:26:39 AM  
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2014-06-12 07:27:12 AM  
This man should be charged with a hate crime. He obviously hated these poor individuals. The whole family is probably racists. The daughter probably looked at the gentlemen disrespectfully and caused this whole incident. So she should be charged with inciting a riot. The wife is the hero here because she tried not to hurt anyone and was probably forced to shoot by her evil husband, who's probably a super racist and a woman hater.
As a proud liberal I would NEVER allow firearms near my house. Those things are dangerous killing machines and kill people indiscriminately whenever the device feels like going off. If guns were outlawed this incident would've never happened because those gentlemen would never use something illegal to force fellow Americans to do something. If guns were outlawed, those gentleman would have to get jobs and become contributing members of society.
This family, probably racists, should've acted more appropriately and the lives of these 2 poor souls would've been spared. Think of their poor families that now have to deal with the loss.
As a proud democrat that believes strongly in constitution, except the dumb parts, I would've handled the situation differently. I would've asked my wife to call 911 and while waiting for the cops that are always parked within seconds of mine and everyone else's location. I would've informed the gentleman that committing this crime would probably prevent them from legally purchasing firearms in the future. I would've explained that I voted for obama, but not because of his race. I would've cried and whimpered and told them where all my valuables are located. I would've offered up my daughters and the wife's, depending on her looks, sex parts. I would've offered to take one of the gentlemen to my ATM while the other stayed with my family and watched TV and ate snacks and had participated in civil intelligent conversation. Or, I would've grabbed the wife, escaped out the back door and called 911. Hopefully the cops get there before any real stuff goes down. If not, we can always get more stuff and if need be, produce another kid. Maybe even adopt some of those border crossing kids from South America.
As an liberal, that's what I would do. Please give generously to the mike bloomberg anti gun nut campaign.
 
2014-06-12 07:33:17 AM  
OK, since, like all gun threads, we've abandoned reason for madness in this thread, let me ask you this:  What's the scoreboard for

daughters saved from home invaders by gun-toting dad

vs.

daughters shot by accident when coming home late/unexpectedly by gun-toting dad?

(Bonus adult son killed after mistaken for burglar)
 
2014-06-12 07:34:02 AM  

stonelotus: "The girl's mother, also 34, fired shots using her gun but did not hit either man,"

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This was subtle and hilarious to me. Thank you.
 
2014-06-12 07:35:57 AM  

Dimensio: Evidently the father referenced in the article decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.


I guess if someone was holding your daughter hostage with a gun to her head, you'd be OK with them executing her while you stood by twiddling your thumbs.  You would probably be next.
 
2014-06-12 07:37:23 AM  
How not to have a hostage:
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There is about 50% of your body exposed, and a clean line of sight to your head. If you get someone who spends a little range time each month, they can pop you easy.

Correct way
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Body covered by hostage, minimal face exposure. Edgar doing it right.
 
2014-06-12 07:40:13 AM  
They was good boys.  Ain't no reason to shoot nobody
 
2014-06-12 07:40:18 AM  

Livingroom: BravadoGT: Livingroom: AR15 pistol with EoTech,

You need a SigTac forearm brace for it!  Sure, in a pinch you might sidle that stock up to your shoulder and fire it like a short-barreled rifle, but it's legally still just a brace on a pistol.

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i've got a c93 pistol with collapsible stock registered as my sbr, but irons only. no optic on it.



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I just attach my holster to my C96. C&R, baby. No SBR stamp.
 
2014-06-12 07:42:26 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It just goes to show you that you've probably made some pretty bad choices in your life if you have a kid at 17 years old. One of those choices will probably be deciding to live in an area where people will kidnap your kid outside your doorstep.


-1.  Nice try.
 
2014-06-12 07:43:31 AM  

Dimensio: Evidently the father referenced in the article decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.


He is NOT Judge Judy and executioner!
 
2014-06-12 07:46:16 AM  
CSB- I rode my bike by the police shooting range and I knew the chief so I stopped and he bade me take some shots. They had a paper human target with a bowling pin dangling in front of it. He said the target was the bad guy and the bowling pin was the hostage. I figured, I'm not that great of a shot, I'll just aim loosely at the pin and miss, hitting the paper target. So I hit the pin on the first shot.
 
2014-06-12 07:47:08 AM  
Doesn't this seem fishy to anyone else?  2 guys want into a specific house, so they grab a girl to force her to open the door, and 2 armed parents are waiting for them?  This doesn't sound like a robbery.  Hostage taking is a big deal.  This sounds like they wanted in to that specific house, and had a good idea what might be waiting for them.  Sounds to me like this was the result of something illegal, like a fight between rival drug dealers.
 
2014-06-12 07:47:11 AM  

OhioUGrad: Apparently the robbers were 1. Horrible shots 2. Not good at using a shield the size of a human


They probably figured that taking the girl hostage was enough to get the parents to do exactly what they want. That's how it works in movies: a criminal takes a hostage and the good guys surrender instead of shooting. They thought they had a surefire way to gain the parents' compliance.

Plus, we don't know if both of them had guns and which of them was killed. It's possible the dad shot the non hostage-taker first, the one without the human shield. That would have been the smart move. And again, we don't know what happened next. The hostage taker could have been so surprised by a person actually shooting back ("But I'm holding your daughter hostage. You're supposed to surrender!") that the girl was able to get away, and in that moment of surprise dad was able to get a few shots at him as well.

Dimensio: Evidently the father referenced in the article decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.


And what should he have done? Because I think he did exactly the right thing. He is not only legally in the right, but morally as well. If you disagree, then by all means, explain what the proper course of action should have been?
 
2014-06-12 07:47:23 AM  

OhioUGrad: Apparently the robbers were 1. Horrible shots 2. Not good at using a shield the size of a human


Hey, saw the photos? The daughter would have to have been the size of Shamu to shield those two.
 
2014-06-12 07:47:57 AM  

Dimensio: Evidently the father referenced in the article decided to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.


Not quite up to "hurr-durr" standards.  4/10
 
2014-06-12 07:48:46 AM  
Excellent Gun Control
 
2014-06-12 07:50:20 AM  
If he has a full health bar AND a shield, you shoot the medic so the big bruiser can't recover. Duh.
 
2014-06-12 07:50:36 AM  
Must have learned how to shoot in the core.
 
2014-06-12 07:50:57 AM  

chrylis: TheGregiss: phenn: starsrift: Well, this ought to be good for a few gun nuts' masturbatory fantasies.

Oh, FFS. Spare me, Bunny Foo Foo.

When some asshole shoots up a bunch of innocent people and your side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's relevant and important.

When someone uses a firearm precisely as it's intended to save the life of a family member and our side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's masturbatory.

Cut me a mother-farking break.

Yeah! Why mass shootings are so rare and incidents like in the article are the norm!

Actually true. Successful defensive gun use in the United States is somewhere in the ballpark of 2.5 million annually, with most of those not requiring firing the weapon. But don't let the truth get in the way of your truthiness.


But if the gun isn't used, then how does that classify as defensive gun use?

And where do you get the figure of 2.5 million annually?
 
2014-06-12 07:50:59 AM  

No Such Agency: OK, since, like all gun threads, we've abandoned reason for madness in this thread, let me ask you this:  What's the scoreboard for
daughters saved from home invaders by gun-toting dad
vs.
daughters shot by accident when coming home late/unexpectedly by gun-toting dad?
(Bonus adult son killed after mistaken for burglar)


Has anyone mentioned that this is a repeat? Or do the success stories now get twice the credit? Need to even it out somehow, I guess.
 
2014-06-12 07:55:03 AM  
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2014-06-12 07:58:33 AM  

Dirty J1: You see! For all you anti gun vaginas out there, this is the good side of gun ownership. What would have been the alternative? Let them barge in, rape the daughter, kill the dad, rape and kill the mom, then kill the daughter? I can't see a more plausible solution than what this guy did. Bravo.


Wear a rubber? No daughter, no human shield, no robbery.
 
2014-06-12 07:59:18 AM  

Launch Code: This man should be charged with a hate crime. He obviously hated these poor individuals. The whole family is probably racists. The daughter probably looked at the gentlemen disrespectfully and caused this whole incident. So she should be charged with inciting a riot. The wife is the hero here because she tried not to hurt anyone and was probably forced to shoot by her evil husband, who's probably a super racist and a woman hater.
As a proud liberal I would NEVER allow firearms near my house. Those things are dangerous killing machines and kill people indiscriminately whenever the device feels like going off. If guns were outlawed this incident would've never happened because those gentlemen would never use something illegal to force fellow Americans to do something. If guns were outlawed, those gentleman would have to get jobs and become contributing members of society.
This family, probably racists, should've acted more appropriately and the lives of these 2 poor souls would've been spared. Think of their poor families that now have to deal with the loss.
As a proud democrat that believes strongly in constitution, except the dumb parts, I would've handled the situation differently. I would've asked my wife to call 911 and while waiting for the cops that are always parked within seconds of mine and everyone else's location. I would've informed the gentleman that committing this crime would probably prevent them from legally purchasing firearms in the future. I would've explained that I voted for obama, but not because of his race. I would've cried and whimpered and told them where all my valuables are located. I would've offered up my daughters and the wife's, depending on her looks, sex parts. I would've offered to take one of the gentlemen to my ATM while the other stayed with my family and watched TV and ate snacks and had participated in civil intelligent conversation. Or, I would've grabbed the wife, escaped out the back door and called 911. Hopefully the cops ...


You obviously know nothing of firearms. They don't just 'go off', you have to pull the trigger to make that happen. And last I checked, looking at someone 'disprespectfully', does not give them legal authority to hurt you. And maybe you're lucky enough to live next to a police station, but most people arn't. Sometimes the cops take hours to show up. And what kind of person would offer his daughter up for sex to save his own life? You gotta bargin that shiat man. She's a 17 year old hot piece of ass. And white. I bet you could trade her for 3 gold chains. Each. Just turn that robbery into a business opportunity. Say something like "Sure, you *could* rob me and rape my daughter. But then the police get involved, and the news will be all over since she's white. Or....I could *sell* her to you, and then you can take your time and have *no* cops. Your call. Good choice. You mind if I film it, while I beat off? I'll stand in the corner, and I won't be a bother." See, you're part of the problem. A bunch of damn liberals who think everything should be given away for free to the less fortunate.
 
2014-06-12 07:59:47 AM  

Elliot8654: chrylis: TheGregiss: phenn: starsrift: Well, this ought to be good for a few gun nuts' masturbatory fantasies.

Oh, FFS. Spare me, Bunny Foo Foo.

When some asshole shoots up a bunch of innocent people and your side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's relevant and important.

When someone uses a firearm precisely as it's intended to save the life of a family member and our side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's masturbatory.

Cut me a mother-farking break.

Yeah! Why mass shootings are so rare and incidents like in the article are the norm!

Actually true. Successful defensive gun use in the United States is somewhere in the ballpark of 2.5 million annually, with most of those not requiring firing the weapon. But don't let the truth get in the way of your truthiness.

But if the gun isn't used, then how does that classify as defensive gun use?

And where do you get the figure of 2.5 million annually?


Because you don't always need to fire your weapon for it to be effective. Bad guys don't particularly like to get shot either, and the smart ones will about face and GTFO when confronted by an armed victim clearing leather. No need to pull he trigger at that point.
 
2014-06-12 08:00:46 AM  

rosemary's baby daddy: They was good boys.  Ain't no reason to shoot nobody


Yeah, they were just turning their lives aroundtm
 
2014-06-12 08:01:02 AM  
There must be a malfunction. The "dumbass could have gotten his child killed" tag came up as "Hero".
 
2014-06-12 08:04:23 AM  

phenn: starsrift: Well, this ought to be good for a few gun nuts' masturbatory fantasies.

Oh, FFS. Spare me, Bunny Foo Foo.

When some asshole shoots up a bunch of innocent people and your side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's relevant and important.

When someone uses a firearm precisely as it's intended to save the life of a family member and our side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's masturbatory.

Cut me a mother-farking break.


Let's skip the notion of sides for a moment, sit down rationally, and point out a couple things.
1. Everybody had guns. The robbers, the mother, the father.
2. The robbers were holding a gun to the daughter's head while using her as a shield. Presumably that indicates point blank, unmissable range. And if they actually wanted to carry out their threat, at any time, they could've.
3. The parents shot at the robbers 'as they came through the door'. One was accurate enough to miss the teen, one wasn't accurate enough to hit the teen.

Is this exactly "precisely as it's intended"? Arm the robbers, encourage random civilians to shoot at the bad guys with out apparent care or skill (in one case) to ensure that there isn't collateral damage? The bad guys, obviously, didn't want to actually kill her,- they wanted to threaten, or they would've shot the teen. How could easily it have been the teen that died?

Is that the responsible gun ownership you want to idealize?

Let's go to the bonus round, and take guns out of the equation. Desperate hoodlums don't have the money to purchase illegal firearms, and law-abiding homeowners don't have guns either. They're using bats and knives. And well, probably nobody turns up dead, even if it went down the same way, father beating away the two criminals, because it's so much harder to kill someone with a bat or a knife. And the teen, would've been safer, at risk for a broken limb instead of a gunshot wound.

If you want to have a serious discussion, I'll entertain it. Tell me how guns made this better.
 
2014-06-12 08:04:37 AM  

joness0154: Elliot8654: chrylis: TheGregiss: phenn: starsrift: Well, this ought to be good for a few gun nuts' masturbatory fantasies.

Oh, FFS. Spare me, Bunny Foo Foo.

When some asshole shoots up a bunch of innocent people and your side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's relevant and important.

When someone uses a firearm precisely as it's intended to save the life of a family member and our side of the debate makes a point on the event, it's masturbatory.

Cut me a mother-farking break.

Yeah! Why mass shootings are so rare and incidents like in the article are the norm!

Actually true. Successful defensive gun use in the United States is somewhere in the ballpark of 2.5 million annually, with most of those not requiring firing the weapon. But don't let the truth get in the way of your truthiness.

But if the gun isn't used, then how does that classify as defensive gun use?

And where do you get the figure of 2.5 million annually?

Because you don't always need to fire your weapon for it to be effective. Bad guys don't particularly like to get shot either, and the smart ones will about face and GTFO when confronted by an armed victim clearing leather. No need to pull he trigger at that point.


So its a brandishing of a weapon? Would a decent sized knife work? Or a club? Does it have to be a gun?

Where does the 2.5 million successful uses come from? If a guy goes to rob a store, but a cop is inside, and he doesn't Rob the store, since the cop has a gun does that count in the 2.5 million?
 
2014-06-12 08:04:39 AM  
So they had the daughter when they were both 17.   Well, at least they're still together.
 
2014-06-12 08:05:46 AM  
Go "Family Style" on them and shoot them both.
 
2014-06-12 08:05:54 AM  

No Such Agency: OK, since, like all gun threads, we've abandoned reason for madness in this thread


Tell me, "friend", when did Farkuman the Wise abandon reason for madness?

/Oh, wait, it was always madness, wasn't it?
 
2014-06-12 08:07:41 AM  

AteMyBrain: There must be a malfunction. The "dumbass could have gotten his child killed" tag came up as "Hero".


What?  You don't shoot at your loved ones?
 
2014-06-12 08:08:09 AM  
The girl's mother, also 34, fired shots using her gun but did not hit either man,

well, duh
 
2014-06-12 08:08:17 AM  

starsrift: Is this exactly "precisely as it's intended"? Arm the robbers, encourage random civilians to shoot at the bad guys with out apparent care or skill (in one case) to ensure that there isn't collateral damage? The bad guys, obviously, didn't want to actually kill her,- they wanted to threaten, or they would've shot the teen


Sure they could've.  A dead hostage is always the ideal bargaining chip.
 
2014-06-12 08:10:33 AM  
Thank goodness it ended with the suspects in custody or dead, with no civilian casualties.

My personal opinion is if they take a hostage, they have lost. Their mobility is now limited, and if surrounded, they can threaten to kill the hostage... at which point they get riddled with bullets themselves. IIRC, if a hostage taker tells a police officer to drop their weapons, aren't they trained to refuse since the officers now have the advantage?
 
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