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2014-06-11 11:55:21 PM  
Survival rate less than 5%.

Survival rate 0% until this girl.

Which is it?
 
2014-06-12 12:00:07 AM  

doglover: Survival rate less than 5%.

Survival rate 0% until this girl.

Which is it?


Well they say it is exceedingly rare, so the article is horribly written.
 
2014-06-12 12:25:11 AM  
She's 8.  Classify her as a survivor when she's 65.
 
2014-06-12 01:08:33 AM  
Clearly she was misdiagnosed.
 
2014-06-12 02:30:21 AM  
"A miracle science has happened, it really has. "

science is really confusing to people
 
2014-06-12 03:39:53 AM  
Well, it is World Cup season. She was probably just trying to draw a red card on her classmates.
 
2014-06-12 04:10:46 AM  
...b-b-but socialised medicine ..
 
2014-06-12 05:18:21 AM  
TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag
 
2014-06-12 05:34:00 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag


I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.
 
2014-06-12 05:35:25 AM  
normal= "we did loads of medicine and the kid got better"

miracle="we didn`t do any medicine and just prayed and the kid got better, also we got this awesome signed letter from God"
 
2014-06-12 05:37:09 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.


This is FARK, we don`t need to consider anything and of course you liked saying it or you wouldn`t have said it.
 
2014-06-12 05:37:24 AM  
Based on the name of the disease (which makes me think the tumor is near the pineal gland) and the fact that the girl needs a wheelchair, I'd guess brain stem took the damage, meaning that things like her coordination would be affected.
 
2014-06-12 05:38:28 AM  
Whatever.

Her cancer will come back and kill her later, anyway.

Cancer always comes back.
 
2014-06-12 05:39:29 AM  
wasn't it really her oncologist who beat the disease?
 
2014-06-12 05:47:38 AM  

aerojockey: Based on the name of the disease (which makes me think the tumor is near the pineal gland) and the fact that the girl needs a wheelchair, I'd guess brain stem took the damage, meaning that things like her coordination would be affected.


From reading elsewhere, though unfortunately most of the articles seem to be carbon copies of this one, she is also legally blind and they are saying the total volume of her brain is now less than it would be for a normal child her age thanks to the amount of radiation/chemo she went through.
 
2014-06-12 05:49:32 AM  
God saved her so he can kill her with a horrible traffic accident when she's 22.
 
2014-06-12 05:52:28 AM  

Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.


Ask the lite girl is she'd rather be dead or not.

I know this is fark..but damn there are some sick bastards in here
 
2014-06-12 05:54:36 AM  
Statistics: almost 96% reliable.
 
2014-06-12 05:55:49 AM  
That was supposed to be:

Ask the little girl if she'd rather be dead or not.
 
2014-06-12 06:02:05 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.

Ask the lite girl is she'd rather be dead or not.

I know this is fark..but damn there are some sick bastards in here


Good point, but what if she just stares blankly and drools...?
 
2014-06-12 06:04:36 AM  

doczoidberg: Whatever.

Her cancer will come back and kill her later, anyway.

Cancer always comes back.


Debbie downer.

Anyway, you're thinking of Nosferatu. Easy mistake
 
2014-06-12 06:07:13 AM  

Nidiot: Good point, but what if she just stares blankly and drools...?


Then she's qualified to be a Fox News contributor
 
2014-06-12 06:07:45 AM  
No pill for treatment yet? Barbarians.
 
2014-06-12 06:13:43 AM  
Another article spoke of "loss of speech" but nothing more drastic... could be a consequence of tumor pressure on brain areas. If not, well, sign language is available; it's not like she was locked in by the damn thing, I hope she recovers from the whole damn thing soon. In the meantime...

Hey cancer!

1.bp.blogspot.com
Attn. SCIENCE!
 
2014-06-12 06:14:41 AM  
Can we try and inject some optimism into fark? This place is a hole of negativity, cynicism and pessimism. Cheer up you miserable bunch.
 
2014-06-12 06:26:26 AM  

doglover: Survival rate less than 5%.

Survival rate 0% until this girl.

Which is it?



I'm no expert, but things like this make me think it probably isn't zero percent:

"Nine patients are alive and disease-free at a median follow-up of 62 months (range, 28 to 125 months) from diagnosis. This includes three of four patients with metastatic disease at presentation (patients 5, 9, and 11; Table 1⇑) and two infants (patients 1 and 2; Table 1⇑) who did not receive radiotherapy."  http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/21/11/2187.full
 
2014-06-12 06:34:45 AM  
Good.
 
2014-06-12 06:38:22 AM  
wow, my sisters name was Claudia, and she had stage 4 glioblastoma multiforme.... coincidence?!

Yes, total coincidence, and just barely.


/her zodiac sign was Cancer, so we really should have seen it coming
 
2014-06-12 06:39:27 AM  
Obligatory.

http://xkcd.com/931/

Good that she beat it back for now, but that's going to haunt her for the rest of her life. Therapy and psychiatry may be needed.
 
2014-06-12 06:40:29 AM  
Well, she's 8. She might be rather delayed, but kids have loads of neuroplasticity.

All in all, bravo, you killed a cancer using radiological brute force. Inelegant compared to other stuff you see in the news. Like reprogramming a virus to attack a target cancer.

I have rather brutal things to say about spending hundreds of thousands to cure kids. These entities that have had little put into them, not even any education expenditures. Similar with the 85 year old hip replacement, the person has reached an end. But we see it perfectly fine to send 18 -21 year olds into combat when we just finished raising them. Same thing about reserving a vaccine for seniors and infants. One bad flu and all we have are old people and children.
 
2014-06-12 06:40:52 AM  

Nidiot: The more you eat the more you fart: Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.

Ask the lite girl is she'd rather be dead or not.

I know this is fark..but damn there are some sick bastards in here

Good point, but what if she just stares blankly and drools...?


Clearly thats not the case.
 
2014-06-12 06:49:08 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.

Ask the lite girl is she'd rather be dead or not.

I know this is fark..but damn there are some sick bastards in here


Aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd now we have 'quality of life' in play. is the cure worse than the disease?

/too early for popcorn, gets coffee
 
2014-06-12 06:51:05 AM  

dready zim: normal= "we did loads of medicine and the kid got better"

miracle="we didn`t do any medicine and just prayed and the kid got better, also we got this awesome signed letter from God"


you know, reading what I wrote I see the `awesome signed letter from God` part as the least likely thing to be true in my post...
 
2014-06-12 06:51:20 AM  

doczoidberg: Whatever.

Her cancer will come back and kill her later, anyway.

Cancer always comes back.


And everyday, she tells the God of Cancer, "Not today."

/seen too many people with bonus post-diagnosis life
 
2014-06-12 06:51:32 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: The more you eat the more you fart: Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.

Ask the lite girl is she'd rather be dead or not.

I know this is fark..but damn there are some sick bastards in here

Aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd now we have 'quality of life' in play. is the cure worse than the disease?

/too early for popcorn, gets coffee


It probably wasnt the treatment that caused the blindness or motor deficits.

The antineoplastics and ionizing radiation probably lowered her brain volume but she's 8.

The brain's plasticity at that age is still very high.
 
2014-06-12 06:55:52 AM  

doczoidberg: Whatever.

Her cancer will come back and kill her later, anyway.

Cancer always comes back.


Not if a bus gets you first.
 
2014-06-12 06:57:54 AM  

doglover: Survival rate less than 5%.

Survival rate 0% until this girl.

Which is it?


Came to ask this.
 
2014-06-12 07:10:51 AM  

Nidiot: The more you eat the more you fart: Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.

Ask the lite girl is she'd rather be dead or not.

I know this is fark..but damn there are some sick bastards in here

Good point, but what if she just stares blankly and drools...?


I doubt they would be touting this as a success if that was the case.

The brain can be quite resilient, especially at her age. There are people living somewhat normal lives after having half their brain removed.

Check over at the politics tab; some of show a modicum of sentience.
 
2014-06-12 07:46:12 AM  
It seems there is a chance to survive it even with no treatment so maybe she is just one of those... except now with brain damage from the treatment.
 
2014-06-12 07:50:52 AM  
How quickly can we carve her up and preserve her?  She's got the cure, we just need to discover how she did it.  Longer we wait, the more time her body has to cover up the evidence of its shameful betrayal upon itself.  It did, after all, murder a biological development with the same DNA.  She's not human anymore.
 
2014-06-12 08:07:50 AM  
I hate articles like this.  My mother and uncle died of Brain cancer, each at age 50.  My poor grandmother, at the time, was convinced by Reader's Digest articles that there were "MIRACLE CURES" out there, and was flat out frantic that the doctors just weren't trying.

During the misery of brain surgeries and chemo, my mother had 3 more years of "life" in which she was keenly aware and ashamed that her mental capacity was diminished and that she no longer even felt like the same person.  She just knew that she was stupid, bloated, bald, uncoordinated and in pain.

When my time comes, I'll be focusing on my remaining quality of life, personal dignity and pain management with an ultimate exit plan.
 
2014-06-12 08:20:42 AM  
I knew a woman who had a brain cancer when she was young, like 12. Her family found out when she collapsed and was rushed to hospital. A couple of years later, having had emergency brain surgery with follow up radiation/chemo, she was bald, in a wheelchair, and with one heck of a scar in the back of her skull (and missing bits of skull). Ten years after that, I met her in university, where she was walking again and getting on with her life. Ten years on, after I first met her, she's strong, well-educated, and still missing some hair. And she's more functional, self-disciplined, and determined that most other people our age that I know. So good for her, and good for this little girl for surviving. I hope she thrives like my friend has thrived when given the chance.
 
2014-06-12 08:35:56 AM  

DrunkenBob: How quickly can we carve her up and preserve her?  She's got the cure, we just need to discover how she did it.  Longer we wait, the more time her body has to cover up the evidence of its shameful betrayal upon itself.  It did, after all, murder a biological development with the same DNA.  She's not human anymore.


She didn't cure herself, the doctors radiated and chemo'ed her almost to death, and they just managed to kill the tumour before they managed to kill her. That's how it's mostly done.
 
2014-06-12 08:38:20 AM  
Sadly, this will end any chance she had at a political career, right?
 
2014-06-12 08:44:41 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I hate articles like this.  My mother and uncle died of Brain cancer, each at age 50.  My poor grandmother, at the time, was convinced by Reader's Digest articles that there were "MIRACLE CURES" out there, and was flat out frantic that the doctors just weren't trying.

During the misery of brain surgeries and chemo, my mother had 3 more years of "life" in which she was keenly aware and ashamed that her mental capacity was diminished and that she no longer even felt like the same person.  She just knew that she was stupid, bloated, bald, uncoordinated and in pain.

When my time comes, I'll be focusing on my remaining quality of life, personal dignity and pain management with an ultimate exit plan.


That's me. I've seen so many relatives pointlessly spend their last few months of life getting poked and prodded and chopped into pieces in some vain attempt to beat the cancer. It never works.

When my turn comes, I will have three questions for the doctor: how long do I have, what will the end be like, and what meds can I have for the pain? I am not going to fight it.

I don't even plan on telling anyone.
 
2014-06-12 08:48:40 AM  

Nidiot: The more you eat the more you fart: Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.

Ask the lite girl is she'd rather be dead or not.

I know this is fark..but damn there are some sick bastards in here

Good point, but what if she just stares blankly and drools...?



Always room for one more in the politics tab.
 
2014-06-12 08:54:50 AM  

doczoidberg: Ker_Thwap: I hate articles like this.  My mother and uncle died of Brain cancer, each at age 50.  My poor grandmother, at the time, was convinced by Reader's Digest articles that there were "MIRACLE CURES" out there, and was flat out frantic that the doctors just weren't trying.

During the misery of brain surgeries and chemo, my mother had 3 more years of "life" in which she was keenly aware and ashamed that her mental capacity was diminished and that she no longer even felt like the same person.  She just knew that she was stupid, bloated, bald, uncoordinated and in pain.

When my time comes, I'll be focusing on my remaining quality of life, personal dignity and pain management with an ultimate exit plan.

That's me. I've seen so many relatives pointlessly spend their last few months of life getting poked and prodded and chopped into pieces in some vain attempt to beat the cancer. It never works.

When my turn comes, I will have three questions for the doctor: how long do I have, what will the end be like, and what meds can I have for the pain? I am not going to fight it.

I don't even plan on telling anyone.


Ditto.
 
2014-06-12 09:08:57 AM  
I had a friend with brain cancer when I was 5.
/sad story bro
 
2014-06-12 09:24:46 AM  

Nidiot: encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag

I agree, although they did rather gloss over the brain damage part somewhat, so I'd be rather interested in knowing exactly how brain damaged she is. Though I suspect it is less likely to be that she might be a slow learner, and more along the lines of cannot perform basic functions anymore. If she cannot go on to live an independent life in the future, then I'd certainly say her parents were indeed horrible selfish people.


Parents will often do irrational-seeming things to protect the life of their children.  If they didn't we
probably wouldn't have lasted as long as we have as a species.

But, there is another thing to consider:  at the age of 8, the brain is still plastic and could conceivably
be able to rewire itself or route around the damage.  Yes, she might not ever be 100%, but with time
she could work herself up to be able to live a normal life with only slight impairment.

Regardless:  why can't you be happy for her for now?
 
2014-06-12 09:32:27 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: TFA says she has brain damage as a result of the treatment.

So basically the family fighting for their selfish desire to have their kid live ended up damaging their brain with the cure. Some cure. Depending on the level of damage, it would've been much more ethical to let her die from the cancer. I don't like saying it, but it's something we need to consider.

/feels like a scumbag
//trying to be an ethical scumbag


What's ethical about preferring that someone, especially a small child, should suffer an agonizing death rather than suffer a little brain damage?

/mother died of brain cancer
//she probably would have taken the brain damage over dying.
 
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