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(The Daily Beast)   United States may launch airstrikes on Iraq. This is not a repeat of 1990. Or 2003   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 168
    More: Interesting, Iraq, Mosul, United States, air strikes, Nouri al-Maliki, Baghdad, Iraqi security forces, insurgents  
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2014-06-11 07:40:36 PM  
If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq. The US has already wasted over a trillion dollars in Iraq and gifted Iraq corrupt government over 8 billion dollars in the past year. If Iraq fills 12 supertankers, which would be enough for 1 day of oil use in the US, as a gift maybe the US considers  helping the corrupt government that insisted that the US remove all troops with a few drones and bombs.
 
2014-06-11 08:06:19 PM  

eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq. The US has already wasted over a trillion dollars in Iraq and gifted Iraq corrupt government over 8 billion dollars in the past year. If Iraq fills 12 supertankers, which would be enough for 1 day of oil use in the US, as a gift maybe the US considers  helping the corrupt government that insisted that the US remove all troops with a few drones and bombs.


This.  We should also sue Iraq for the cost of the war.  We poured trillions of dollars into a conflict that was based entirely on false pretense, and Iraq should pay for the destruction of their country that we caused.
 
2014-06-11 08:33:23 PM  
Iraq had a chance to keep a few American troops in the country. They felt that the cost of the SOFA was not worth the trouble. It can also be postulated that anti-Americanism and pro-Iraqi nationalism played a part in not accepting SOFA, but this is only speculation on my part. Anyways, I think Iraq might be regretting that decision now.
 
2014-06-11 08:36:06 PM  

Mike_LowELL: eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq. The US has already wasted over a trillion dollars in Iraq and gifted Iraq corrupt government over 8 billion dollars in the past year. If Iraq fills 12 supertankers, which would be enough for 1 day of oil use in the US, as a gift maybe the US considers  helping the corrupt government that insisted that the US remove all troops with a few drones and bombs.

This.  We should also sue Iraq for the cost of the war.  We poured trillions of dollars into a conflict that was based entirely on false pretense, and Iraq should pay for the destruction of their country that we caused.



Exactly, The US freed them from a secular military dictator to be replaced by a group possible quite worse. Egypt at least do not have as many killed to gain a similar fate. Offering of a gift is customary in the middle east esp. if asking for a favor. The US gave millions in cash payments to Iraqi  officials to gain temporary  outward support.
 
2014-06-11 08:45:11 PM  
Or 1998, or a bunch of other times we bombed Iraq for violating the no-fly zones.
 
2014-06-11 09:25:04 PM  
Iraq knows they have us over a barrel (no pun intended).   We can't just sit idly by while ISIS assumes control of the country and they know it.  It's too important to the overall stability of the entire region.   They know that our choice will be (a) get involved now on a limited scale to push them back or (b) get dragged in later on a much bigger scale if and when it goes regional.

Sucks.
 
2014-06-11 09:41:32 PM  
Ends up that we lost the war in Iraq. Howaboutthat!
 
2014-06-11 09:57:22 PM  
On Tuesday, the al Qaeda offshoot known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Sham (ISIS) overran military positions in Mosul, the country's second largest city. On Wednesday, reports from Iraq said the terrorist group was pushing toward Iraq's capital, Baghdad.

ISIS?  On second thought--I'm ok with that!

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2014-06-11 09:58:11 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Iraq should pay for the destruction of their country that we caused.


How do you say bootstraps in Muslim?
 
2014-06-11 10:19:24 PM  
We better get them to pay us in advance this time.
 
2014-06-12 12:19:51 AM  

SauronWasFramed: Ends up that we lost the war in Iraq. Howaboutthat!


It seems like no matter how many times we come in and conquer a country, and use our military might to send a message to radical Muslims that they have to submit to our wishes or else, they just keep calling us "Imperialists" and fighting against us. They just don't get it, amiright?
 
2014-06-12 01:25:14 AM  

SauronWasFramed: Ends up that we lost the war in Iraq. Howaboutthat!


We won the war within the first few months.  Everything since has been a failed endeavor in nation building.
 
2014-06-12 01:43:51 AM  

BravadoGT: On Tuesday, the al Qaeda offshoot known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Sham (ISIS) overran military positions in Mosul, the country's second largest city. On Wednesday, reports from Iraq said the terrorist group was pushing toward Iraq's capital, Baghdad.

ISIS?  On second thought--I'm ok with that!

[youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com image 400x574]


I dunno. Maybe these two might be able to lend a hand...

celebrarty.com
 
2014-06-12 02:51:25 AM  
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2014-06-12 02:51:35 AM  
Thanks again, Dubya! Go paint your feet in the bath again, why don't you?
 
2014-06-12 02:54:01 AM  

eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq.


Makes sense. There's a lot of money to pay for this. It doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own bombings, and relatively soon.
 
2014-06-12 02:54:17 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Thanks again, Dubya! Go paint your feet in the bath again, why don't you?


"You can't get fooled again!"
 
2014-06-12 02:55:01 AM  
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2014-06-12 02:57:37 AM  

eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq. The US has already wasted over a trillion dollars in Iraq and gifted Iraq corrupt government over 8 billion dollars in the past year. If Iraq fills 12 supertankers, which would be enough for 1 day of oil use in the US, as a gift maybe the US considers  helping the corrupt government that insisted that the US remove all troops with a few drones and bombs.


What the hell are you talking about? We can't just stop bombing them right after rebuilding what we already bombed into the stone age twice. That would make no sense. The US have to bomb them into oblivion again and then rebuild their infrastructure again. How else  could we continue to give billions of dollars  in arms to Israel?
 
2014-06-12 02:58:43 AM  

Ivo Shandor: eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq.

Makes sense. There's a lot of money to pay for this. It doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own bombings, and relatively soon.


lol, so you think its a good idea that we should get into a military campaign where we profit from a country that pays us to bomb itself??
 
2014-06-12 03:02:28 AM  
Saddam is laughing from his grave.
 
2014-06-12 03:02:29 AM  
it would be nice if we could find a way to reduce the harm isis, al nusra and assad can do
 
2014-06-12 03:05:18 AM  
I've attained complete Iraq burnout. If it burns it burns.
Invading that country was the biggest strategic blunder since Vietnam.
 
2014-06-12 03:06:39 AM  
honestly, ISIS farked up. Turkey want to jump in. Iran wants to jump in. The Peshmerga might jump in. The U.S. might jump in. For farks sake, even  Al-Qaeda hates them. and they are still fighting  Assad in Syria. i dont think the offensive will last very long.
 
2014-06-12 03:12:58 AM  
Fark.  That.  Shiat.

We should never have gone in the first place.  Then we should never have stayed as long as we did.  Now we sure as hell shouldn't go back.

Deal with your own farking problems, we have plenty of our own.
 
2014-06-12 03:13:17 AM  

Ivo Shandor: eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq.

Makes sense. There's a lot of money to pay for this. It doesn't have to be U.S. taxpayer money. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own bombings, and relatively soon.


Yeah. I mean, I always pay for it when I get bombed, so why should Iraq be any different?
 
2014-06-12 03:13:21 AM  

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This is the only cute picture I have ever seen of Taylor Swift.
 
2014-06-12 03:14:39 AM  
But... But... Mission Accomplished?
 
2014-06-12 03:15:48 AM  
We have always been at war with Eurasia.
 
2014-06-12 03:16:10 AM  
There is no way this could be Bush's fault, you smelly hippies.   I mean,  listen to what Vice President Cheney had to say about Iraq.

"Once you got to Iraq and took it over and took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world. And if you take down the central government in Iraq, you could easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. Part of it the Syrians would like to have, the west. Part of eastern Iraq the Iranians would like to claim. Fought over for eight years. In the north, you've got the Kurds. And if the Kurds spin loose and join with Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq."

Do those sound like the words of a man that doesn't know what he's doing?  No!   There's only one place to lay blame for this loss...

Thanks fartb0ma!
 
2014-06-12 03:18:44 AM  
Wow, what a quandary.

On the one hand, we were the ones who f*cked up Iraq in the first place.
On the other hand, we set up such a crappy "democratic government" that any half-assed insurgency with six AK-47's and a handful of RPGs could overthrow them if they felt like it.
On the third hand, since it is kind of entirely our fault, if the crappy government asks us for help, we're kind of in duty bound to help them not die at the hands of religious fanatics.
On the fourth hand, as we've shown in Libya, Syria and Egypt, things go WAY a lot better if the US stays as far away from these things as possible except for intel and long distance fire support: Better for them, better for us, and better for the hapless civilians caught in the middle.

Myself, I vote for evac'ing the dumbass government officials out, letting the Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds partition the country out between them, and devoting our energy to keeping Turkey and Iran the hell out of the fight. Not that anyone who counts is going to ask my opinion, of course.
 
2014-06-12 03:19:52 AM  

Mike_LowELL: eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq. The US has already wasted over a trillion dollars in Iraq and gifted Iraq corrupt government over 8 billion dollars in the past year. If Iraq fills 12 supertankers, which would be enough for 1 day of oil use in the US, as a gift maybe the US considers  helping the corrupt government that insisted that the US remove all troops with a few drones and bombs.

This.  We should also sue Iraq for the cost of the war.  We poured trillions of dollars into a conflict that was based entirely on false pretense, and Iraq should pay for the destruction of their country that we caused.


And all it took to convert FARKers from demanding we pay the cost of rebuilding Iraq, to demanding we extract reparations from them, was putting a Democrat in the White House.

/if we ever do convert entirely to socialism, I expect to see FARKers arguing for loot and pillage rights
 
2014-06-12 03:21:55 AM  
"Oh no, Iraq is being overrun by insurgents! What can we do?"

"Have you tried bombing them?"

"Great idea! ...But what if that doesn't work?"

"Hmmm... tough call. In that case, perhaps more bombs."

"Yes, of course! Brilliant!"

Gotta bomb something, I guess. If there's one thing we excel at, it's bombing shiat. If we could fix our economy with precision airstrikes, we could bomb that deficit into the stone age.
 
2014-06-12 03:23:32 AM  
The world is a farked up place. Anything we do will never be enough to unfark it.
 
2014-06-12 03:23:34 AM  
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2014-06-12 03:27:09 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Mike_LowELL: eurotrader: If Iraq wants the US to bomb something for them it should paid for by Iraq. The US has already wasted over a trillion dollars in Iraq and gifted Iraq corrupt government over 8 billion dollars in the past year. If Iraq fills 12 supertankers, which would be enough for 1 day of oil use in the US, as a gift maybe the US considers  helping the corrupt government that insisted that the US remove all troops with a few drones and bombs.

This.  We should also sue Iraq for the cost of the war.  We poured trillions of dollars into a conflict that was based entirely on false pretense, and Iraq should pay for the destruction of their country that we caused.

And all it took to convert FARKers from demanding we pay the cost of rebuilding Iraq, to demanding we extract reparations from them, was putting a Democrat in the White House.

/if we ever do convert entirely to socialism, I expect to see FARKers arguing for loot and pillage rights


Who is more the troll: The troll or the troll who trolls him?
 
2014-06-12 03:29:13 AM  

Kujira: "Oh no, Iraq is being overrun by insurgents! What can we do?"

"Have you tried bombing them?"

"Great idea! ...But what if that doesn't work?"

"Hmmm... tough call. In that case, perhaps more bombs."

"Yes, of course! Brilliant!"

Gotta bomb something, I guess. If there's one thing we excel at, it's bombing shiat. If we could fix our economy with precision airstrikes, we could bomb that deficit into the stone age.


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2014-06-12 03:31:07 AM  
You know who did a pretty good job of keeping Al Qaeda out of Iraq?

This guy...

www.saddamhusseinexecutionvideo.com
 
2014-06-12 03:37:21 AM  

Rent Party: There is no way this could be Bush's fault, you smelly hippies.   I mean,  listen to what Vice President Cheney had to say about Iraq.

"Once you got to Iraq and took it over and took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world. And if you take down the central government in Iraq, you could easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off. Part of it the Syrians would like to have, the west. Part of eastern Iraq the Iranians would like to claim. Fought over for eight years. In the north, you've got the Kurds. And if the Kurds spin loose and join with Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq."

Do those sound like the words of a man that doesn't know what he's doing?  No!   There's only one place to lay blame for this loss...

Thanks fartb0ma!


...that's fascinating.

Too bad he was only former Secretary of Defense Cheney when he made that statement (in 1994). I wonder what happened in the interim that made him lose his mind?

Thanks, Bush!
 
2014-06-12 03:37:36 AM  
fark these camel farkers. Leave the whole region, let them rip themselves apart.  Same for Israel and Palestine. Let them sort their shiat out on their own. None of their lives, ALL of their lives aren't worth one of our boys. Let. Them. Burn.
 
2014-06-12 03:39:43 AM  
Obama already tried to keep troops there, but the Iraqi's said "fark off"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-iraq_n_1032507.html

Seems like that might have been a touch short sighted.
 
2014-06-12 03:44:44 AM  
Wait, I'm confused. Are they the bad guys again because they left Syria?

Because they were the "good guys" in Syria, right? Fighting the bad guys?

So confusing.
 
2014-06-12 03:45:59 AM  

robohobo: fark these camel farkers. Leave the whole region, let them rip themselves apart.  Same for Israel and Palestine. Let them sort their shiat out on their own. None of their lives, ALL of their lives aren't worth one of our boys. Let. Them. Burn.


The last time we did that, they waited a decade and then destroyed the two largest buildings in the country, blew a hole in the Pentagon, killed 3,000 innocent Americans, crippled the country's financial system for two weeks, and sent the country into a national panic for several months.  They did this with 19 men and a handful of box cutters.

"Let them handle it on their own" only works in a time period where people can't cross oceans.
 
2014-06-12 03:52:57 AM  

The Repeated Meme: Wait, I'm confused. Are they the bad guys again because they left Syria?

Because they were the "good guys" in Syria, right? Fighting the bad guys?

So confusing.


Yes. No. Maybe. Reply hazy, ask again later.
 
2014-06-12 03:53:53 AM  

SunsetLament: robohobo: fark these camel farkers. Leave the whole region, let them rip themselves apart.  Same for Israel and Palestine. Let them sort their shiat out on their own. None of their lives, ALL of their lives aren't worth one of our boys. Let. Them. Burn.

The last time we did that, they waited a decade and then destroyed the two largest buildings in the country, blew a hole in the Pentagon, killed 3,000 innocent Americans, crippled the country's financial system for two weeks, and sent the country into a national panic for several months.  They did this with 19 men and a handful of box cutters.

"Let them handle it on their own" only works in a time period where people can't cross oceans.


So we can either leave them alone, or fight them for real and totally. Wipe them out. Utter, complete destruction of their people. Is there a middle ground aside from paying them protection money? Do we support them like we do Israel(who we should also cut off)?
 
2014-06-12 03:54:21 AM  
Also, the prudent thing to do is to let the militants kill off the current Iraq leadership (you know, the morons who invited us to get the fark out).  Then go in and wipe out the militants and set up a permanent full-scale military base to use as our center of operations in the Middle-East for the next 50 years (just like we did in Germany and Japan).  The only way we're ever going to see change in the Middle-East is if we make sure a large country remains democratic, free, and largely secular for at least one full generation (20 years minimum).  This accomplishes two things:

1.  If a theocratic Islamic dictatorship ever gains power, the military age men in the country (who have only lived in a time of secular democracy) will tell them to go fark themselves, and

2.  It will create a domino-effect on surrounding countries living under stone-age condition dictatorships - young people in these countries will become jealous of the McDonalds, and Nike, and iPods, and western culture taking root in Iraq and want it for themselves.

Without these two conditions, the Middle-East will just keep warring like animals (just like the previous 5,000 years).
 
2014-06-12 03:57:07 AM  

robohobo: So we can either leave them alone, or fight them for real and totally. Wipe them out. Utter, complete destruction of their people. Is there a middle ground aside from paying them protection money? Do we support them like we do Israel(who we should also cut off)?


Well, it would help if we were honest with ourselves and recognized that we're fighting a holy war against Islam.  Because whether we like it or not, they are fighting a holy war against Christianity - and they take civilian casualties whenever they have an opportunity.
 
2014-06-12 04:00:39 AM  
Well, he said there were no plans to, so, considering who's in charge in the WH, what means we definitely are, right?
 
2014-06-12 04:01:24 AM  

SunsetLament: robohobo: fark these camel farkers. Leave the whole region, let them rip themselves apart.  Same for Israel and Palestine. Let them sort their shiat out on their own. None of their lives, ALL of their lives aren't worth one of our boys. Let. Them. Burn.

The last time we did that, they waited a decade and then destroyed the two largest buildings in the country, blew a hole in the Pentagon, killed 3,000 innocent Americans, crippled the country's financial system for two weeks, and sent the country into a national panic for several months.  They did this with 19 men and a handful of box cutters.

"Let them handle it on their own" only works in a time period where people can't cross oceans.


Translation: they've got oil.
 
2014-06-12 04:04:58 AM  

hubiestubert: BravadoGT: On Tuesday, the al Qaeda offshoot known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Sham (ISIS) overran military positions in Mosul, the country's second largest city. On Wednesday, reports from Iraq said the terrorist group was pushing toward Iraq's capital, Baghdad.

ISIS?  On second thought--I'm ok with that!

[youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com image 400x574]

I dunno. Maybe these two might be able to lend a hand...

[celebrarty.com image 403x600]


Oh man, those two made my seven-year-old self's pants feel funny.
 
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