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2014-06-12 01:32:29 AM  
8 votes:

serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?


Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.
2014-06-12 06:55:10 AM  
6 votes:
For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.
2014-06-12 03:23:22 AM  
6 votes:

Sgeo: TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.

I think serial_crusher wasn't making a freedom of speech argument, just saying that the citizens should, if they want, be voting her out or ensuring she gets fired (I'm not sure which is the case here), not pressuring her into 'resigning'.


So if I take office on July 1 2014 for a 2 year term, I can say what ever the hell I wish without retribution for 24 months?

Yeah, I don't think so. We have methods, even at the city council level, to remove those who espouse discrimination when it comes to race, color, or creed. Even in mid term.

Any, and I do mean ANY, vote she casts from here on out (as well as previous ones) is subject to review, and one might think nullification, based on her discriminatory views. She also opens up the city (and by default the taxpayers) to lawsuits.
2014-06-12 03:44:11 AM  
4 votes:

Jim_Callahan: "Racism will not be tolerated on any level in the city of La Marque," said Mayor Bobby Hocking.

Is the position elected?  Then fark you, sir, you'll tolerate as much racism as they feel like dishing out.  The voters can pressure her if they want, but if  you go beyond politely expressing your own opinion then you're the one that should be chucked out.  Mayors are not the god-kings of their cities.

// Albeit the woman's likely going to have issues arguing that she's in compliance with the CRA if she's ever directly in charge of a hiring/firing and her actual co-workers on the board might come after her with a hostile work environment suit if she pushes it too hard.


This.

But realistically, the mayor is just proactively covering his--and the city's--ass, which is why people like this are usually "pressured" into resigning. If she has to hire/fire anyone after this, or is responsible for passing or enforcing any budget, law, regulation or other matter that requires compliance with Federal nondiscrimination standards, and ANYBODY feels they've been discriminated against--anyone, in any way, for any reason--both she and the city are going to be hammered hard by a civil rights violation lawsuit. I can hear the attorneys loading up their printers from here, with the amount of papers they'll need for all the briefs.

Because if the city keeps her on, without stepping hard all over her, they're looking at vicarious liability and respondeat superior. They know she's racist, that she is unwilling to acknowledge her fault, and unless they disavow her loudly and often, they are as liable as she is when--not if--someone brings suit against her and the city for wrongful termination, hostile work environment, discriminatory hiring practices, etc. etc.

Be nice to be a civil rights attorney in Texas right now. Cha-ching!
2014-06-12 03:58:45 AM  
3 votes:
Wow. Earlier today, I read the post of another farker who predicted that soon enough, racist dog-whistling amongst politicians would be tossed out in favor of outright and blatant racist speech.

I just really didn't think it would happen later  today.
2014-06-12 03:08:21 AM  
3 votes:

serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.


why in the world not? ESPECIALLY when it's a a politician.
2014-06-12 03:07:23 AM  
3 votes:
Bigotry in Texas?

I wish I could be shocked by that
2014-06-12 12:05:24 PM  
2 votes:

The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.


I don't respect racists whether they're upfront about it or couch it behind code words and "I'm not a racist, you're the racist for thinking I'm being racist!"
2014-06-12 09:50:35 AM  
2 votes:

DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.


My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.
2014-06-12 08:54:15 AM  
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,


The psychological burden of keeping something secret can be very heavy, especially if it's a deeply felt conviction that you view as part of your personality or even your soul.  People who admit to things are experiencing a release of that tension which can build up over years and eventually overpower the fears of being exposed.   The fear becomes even less if there are support networks in place.

The guilty feelings I'm talking about mostly stem from not being who she thinks she is.  So she goes in the opposite direction and feels pride, which further pushes down any residual guilt about her beliefs she may have picked up from external or internal cues.  In being true to her identity she gains a sense of moral superiority and feels better about herself while also receiving validation for her beliefs from like-minded individuals either too cowardly to do the same or who are looking for allies in general.

Coming out as gay in a homophobic environment would be considered courageous and worthy of respect.  Coming out as a bigot in America's south is hardly a bold step and deserves no applause.
2014-06-12 08:47:47 AM  
2 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: skozlaw: Let he with Derp cast the first derp

Yeah, it's so easy to pretend the problem doesn't exist.
 I mean, surely African-Americans are incapable of corruption and the school boards are dysfunctional as any white/Jewish area. Why can't they be "acting  white."

In 2009-10 the national graduation rate for Black male students was 52%. The graduation rate for White, non-Latino males was 78%. - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf

As in previous years, states with relatively small Black populations achieve high graduation rates for Black male student - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf


Do you have links to anything that controls for socioeconomic factors, indicating that the difference is due to race and not a myriad of other reasons?

This is why people think you're racist. No one is suggesting any of your absurd strawmen like "majorit black schools have no problems" or "black administrators are beyond corruption." People disagree with your notion that these school systems have problems because of their majority blackness.
2014-06-12 07:43:33 AM  
2 votes:
I suppose it's better than cloaking her ignorance in a silly, cowardly euphemism like "take our country back" or some such nonsense.  It's almost refreshing in this day and age to see someone so upfront and honest with their racism.  If only more Republicans could be as brave as this woman.
2014-06-12 07:34:09 AM  
2 votes:

Jim_Callahan: "Racism will not be tolerated on any level in the city of La Marque," said Mayor Bobby Hocking.

Is the position elected?  Then fark you, sir, you'll tolerate as much racism as they feel like dishing out.  The voters can pressure her if they want, but if  you go beyond politely expressing your own opinion then you're the one that should be chucked out.


You will tolerate racism, but not impoliteness?
2014-06-12 06:42:35 AM  
2 votes:
But I don't understand.  The supreme court has said that there is no more racism and struck down major parts of the civil rights act and affirmative action in schools.  Republicans said now that a Black president was elected, there is no more racism.  I thought stuff like this just doesn't happen anymore.  Am I missing something?
2014-06-12 04:29:57 AM  
2 votes:
Good.  The idiot Conservatives that actually say what they think are far less dangerous than the ones that pretend to be half-rational.
2014-06-12 03:40:06 AM  
2 votes:
Anyone going to keep track to see if she get re-elected? Sometimes the racist voice actually represents their little precinct, even today.
2014-06-12 03:29:42 AM  
2 votes:

serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?


Yes, the only ones who should be able to hold powerful people accountable for their statements and actions are even more powerful people.

Persons in positions of authority must not be questioned or criticized because they are superior, more intelligent people whose beliefs we are not intellectually qualified to judge.
2014-06-12 03:08:36 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.


I think serial_crusher wasn't making a freedom of speech argument, just saying that the citizens should, if they want, be voting her out or ensuring she gets fired (I'm not sure which is the case here), not pressuring her into 'resigning'.
2014-06-12 12:46:15 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


You do have to appreciate the gravity of the situation though.  I hear it's very unlikely that she'll ever turn back.
2014-06-13 12:00:39 AM  
1 vote:
"What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion"

Well yes exactly, that is actually the point here.
2014-06-12 04:12:56 PM  
1 vote:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: glmorrs1: glmorrs1: The Homer Tax: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

This. My dad is a teacher in south Alabama in a mostly white (around 60%) school district, and while he may sometimes have racist tendencies (he's against affirmative action, black history month, and doesn't understand why "being proud to be white" makes people uncomfortable, but he has black friends, so totes not racist(sarcasm)), he'll straight up tell you that the majority of students he has to raise grades for so they can move on to the next grade are the white kids. He's always saying how he wishes the white students had the dedication and drive of the Hispanic and black students. You know, the poor and economically challenged minorities that want to get the hell out of the hood and trailer parks, while the white kids take pride in being ignorant rednecks and white trash.

I mean, it comes off a little racist when my dad says it, but based on my experience in a mostly white suburban school system growing up, he's right. Most of the kids that couldn't hack it and had to get their grades bumped up so they didn't ...

Why that explains everything? A unified field theory od social integration and academic achievement.

So your dad will explain the high dropout among black males rates, and early pregnancy among Hispanic girls (that remove them from the labor market when the white girl is advancing in her career or profession) as the response of lazy white people.

Is this why fireman and civil service exams are routinely tossed out, when not enough black firemen fail to pass.

If only the answer was so simple that it was all institutional racism, that seems to let Asian and Indian students slip by. Or the facts the "black" Africans score higher in academic.
You would think we are able to spot and stop these bastards from using our educational system to get ahead.


Whatever, bro. Don't you have anything better to do than race-bait on fark? No sheets to bleach? No large wooden crosses to start soaking in lighter fluid?

/and fark you for choosing one of the most lighthearted and comical Superman villains for your handle
2014-06-12 04:05:50 PM  
1 vote:

thamike: Smackledorfer: Would a racist fireman who saves a little minority girl's life from a building be worth of some respect?  I say yes.  Anyone who says no is going full retard in their attempt to prove how much more against racism they are than someone else.

Respect is a sliding scale. There is always room for it to go lower (picture the racist you think you have zero respect for, and now picture him as a child molester too.  Do you think even less of him now?)

You and others don't need to be so obsessed with being against racism that you throw basic logic out the window too.

This is completely hypothetical, but your "racist fireman" who "saves a little minority girl's life" would just be doing his job, maybe even reluctantly. So f*ck that guy. The non-hateful firemen would get my respect.  As you said, it's a sliding scale.

Thanks for inventing Asshole Fireman.  How far down this rickety stairwell do you care to venture?


At the EMS service I work at there's an EMT who is incredibly racist, and even went so far as to call one of our responders and his mother n-bomb lovers because the responder has a black stepfather. It's disgusting he still works here and I refuse to work with the asshole because I can't trust him to give the same level of care to a minority patient as he would to a white patient.

/Not so CSB
2014-06-12 03:31:20 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: gottagopee: . Racism, openly embraced, is *not* a cause for a sudden fount of respect to well up in the breast.

So saying you have more respect for them than someoen who hides it is a "sudden fount of respect"?


Very black and white worldview you have.


Paschal: Especially after I have been told by members of SCOTUS that there is no racism in America.

No you haven't.


I have zero respect for either. And her 'open honesty' isn't. The only thing she's honest about is wanting everything her own way. As I stated, she hasn't stood and openly proclaimed YES I AM A RACIST AND PROUD OF IT!! All she's done is whine.
2014-06-12 03:20:54 PM  
1 vote:

Farkin_Crazy: Sgeo: TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.

I think serial_crusher wasn't making a freedom of speech argument, just saying that the citizens should, if they want, be voting her out or ensuring she gets fired (I'm not sure which is the case here), not pressuring her into 'resigning'.

So if I take office on July 1 2014 for a 2 year term, I can say what ever the hell I wish without retribution for 24 months?

Yeah, I don't think so. We have methods, even at the city council level, to remove those who espouse discrimination when it comes to race, color, or creed. Even in mid term.

Any, and I do mean ANY, vote she casts from here on out (as well as previous ones) is subject to review, and one might think nullification, based on her discriminatory views. She also opens up the city (and by default the taxpayers) to lawsuits.


And thats why politicians in these situations offen have to resign. The basically have a sit down with the city attorney and it goes like this either you resign or you recuse your self from any vote of significance.
2014-06-12 03:19:35 PM  
1 vote:

All2morrowsparTs: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Derpity do da

So when did the black guy steal your girlfriend?

And what is with all the "whiteknights" all having handles with Dr.? Dr.Driedel excluded of course.


They are compensating for their pathetic lives by creating an alternate reality where they are doctors. It is similar to the Fark engineer phenomenon
2014-06-12 03:13:52 PM  
1 vote:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Derpity do da


So when did the black guy steal your girlfriend?

And what is with all the "whiteknights" all having handles with Dr.? Dr.Driedel excluded of course.
2014-06-12 02:49:58 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: And firefighters don't get props for risking their lives because it is their job? Odd.


Not your hypothetical racist fireman, no.  Like I said, f*ck that guy, he's imaginary as far as your concerned, and I don't have much respect for your imagination in the first place.
2014-06-12 01:06:22 PM  
1 vote:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: If she was a black woman pointing out the same dysfunctional problems, to a white school board it would not be called racist.

It would be called "keeping it real."

Farkers, are so conditioned to jump,the real problems never get addressed.

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Someone dared challenge a black person's job performance.


Wow, you either really believe this stuff or you're one of those paid trolls I keep hearing about.

She did not mention any problems in the linked article or the original source.   Here's the audio. You'll find the second clip has the quote in question, but the rest is rife with racism by her and the others in the party ("only black people live in section 8 housing", "it's free housing", "I'm not politically correct when it comes to blacks").

Go ahead, listen to the whole thing and defend it.  It'll be fun to watch.

Is this where I put an image? How do I get paid to troll like you?
2014-06-12 12:48:33 PM  
1 vote:

DrPainMD: Headso: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/78886/hundreds-protest-mayor-s-plan- to -end-8th-grade-social-promotion/

This took about 5 seconds to google. Check out the video.


So because black people are at a protest in NY it relates to kicking all blacks off a school board in Texas? Are you smoking the good stuff?
2014-06-12 12:35:06 PM  
1 vote:

glmorrs1: The Homer Tax: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

This. My dad is a teacher in south Alabama in a mostly white (around 60%) school district, and while he may sometimes have racist tendencies (he's against affirmative action, black history month, and doesn't understand why "being proud to be white" makes people uncomfortable, but he has black friends, so totes not racist(sarcasm)), he'll straight up tell you that the majority of students he has to raise grades for so they can move on to the next grade are the white kids. He's always saying how he wishes the white students had the dedication and drive of the Hispanic and black students. You know, the poor and economically challenged minorities that want to get the hell out of the hood and trailer parks, while the white kids take pride in being ignorant rednecks and white trash.

I mean, it comes off a little racist when my dad says it, but based on my experience in a mostly white suburban school system growing up, he's right. Most of the kids that couldn't hack it and had to get their grades bumped up so they didn't fail were the rich white kids whose parents had connections to the school board/administrators.


And, I'd like to add, that based on my anecdotal experiences, most of the reason black students give up and drop out is because of (probably unintentional and unrecognized) institutionalized racism. When Brian, a white classmate, acted out telling jokes, mocking the teacher, and playing "pranks" like stealing the teachers farking grade book every chance he could, the teacher just told him to knock it off and joked about him being the class clown. When Al, a black classmate, made an occasional joke or played a small prank, like hiding the blackboard eraser, he was a troublemaker disturbing the class and had to go to the principal's office.
2014-06-12 12:23:06 PM  
1 vote:

The Homer Tax: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.


This. My dad is a teacher in south Alabama in a mostly white (around 60%) school district, and while he may sometimes have racist tendencies (he's against affirmative action, black history month, and doesn't understand why "being proud to be white" makes people uncomfortable, but he has black friends, so totes not racist(sarcasm)), he'll straight up tell you that the majority of students he has to raise grades for so they can move on to the next grade are the white kids. He's always saying how he wishes the white students had the dedication and drive of the Hispanic and black students. You know, the poor and economically challenged minorities that want to get the hell out of the hood and trailer parks, while the white kids take pride in being ignorant rednecks and white trash.

I mean, it comes off a little racist when my dad says it, but based on my experience in a mostly white suburban school system growing up, he's right. Most of the kids that couldn't hack it and had to get their grades bumped up so they didn't fail were the rich white kids whose parents had connections to the school board/administrators.
2014-06-12 11:58:06 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: How the flying fark did you get from A to B on this one? At no point did I say it is ok to "be racist and carry hatred in your heart" and I think you know that I didn't.

Did you, or did you not, intend to imply that the world outside of America was somehow less racist than America?  If you did not, sorry for misreading your post (though now I have no idea what you intended to say or why it is relevant to subby in the first place).  If you did, then that is the laughable statement I am disagreeing with.


What I read from the initial statement was more of an indictment of America's "us vs the world" mindset, and that it just won't do for a progressive society.  The response that implies that the "the world" is more racist than America, and that makes American racism just fine, is kind of a silly point to make. It's all hypothetical conjecture, but I think you missed his point completely.
2014-06-12 11:30:23 AM  
1 vote:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: If she was a black woman pointing out the same dysfunctional problems, to a white school board it would not be called racist.

It would be called "keeping it real."

Farkers, are so conditioned to jump,the real problems never get addressed.


Someone dared challenge a black person's job performance.


mrwgifs.com
2014-06-12 11:22:43 AM  
1 vote:

lockers: The Homer Tax: Right now you're agreeing with someone who said "social promotion is something that only exists because of black people."

No, right now I am disagreeing that their isn't a racial element to why education sucks. The difference between really good public schools and bad public schools is extremely economically divided. Results of going to a bad school has well known economic outcomes. The reality is those same economic reasons have a large correlation to race. The problem isn't social promotion, but it certainly tracks race.


You're again missing the point. I was disagreeing with the person who said, effectively, "black people are the reason black kids are getting a poor eduction." I was saying "their race doesn't have anything to do with it."

You're trying to turn this into an affirmative action thing that I was never speaking about. I could see if from your Weeners. Calm the fark down, I'm fine with AA.

I was disagreeing with someone who said "black kids are getting a bad education because they're black" by saying "black kids are getting a bad education because they're poor."

It's all about SES, it "correlates strongly" because more black kids are poor.

Can you move the fark on now? Good lord.
2014-06-12 10:58:54 AM  
1 vote:

lockers: Lord_Baull: lockers: liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.

So you grew up poor. Bully for you.


Are you truly ignorant, or just threadshiatting?

He toted out segregation isn't an issue because I went to school with "black people". I went to school with all sorts of ethnic people, but that doesn't mean my mostly white class didn't get better schooling then the kids who grew up 15 miles north of me.



Do you understand segregation and quality schooling are two different issues?
2014-06-12 10:52:22 AM  
1 vote:
When will morons get the clue that just because what comes out of their heads is their "opinion" doesn't mean it's true, or has worth, or isn't stupid, or is just plain wrong? Is it too much to ask that thinking happen before saying?

/guess it is
2014-06-12 10:45:54 AM  
1 vote:

lockers: liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.

So you grew up poor. Bully for you.



Are you truly ignorant, or just threadshiatting?
2014-06-12 10:42:50 AM  
1 vote:

lockers: liam76: You should go read his comment in context.

Somebody was claiming black parents complaining abotu kids not getting promoted tot he next grade was causing big problems. He was pointing out that issue effects schools regardless of race

Even in context, if he thinks the problems with schools don't have a racial element, then he is clearly mistaken. segregation is as much an issue today as it was in the 50's. Schools are funded geographically. So economically disadvantaged groups get economically worse education. So, yes, their is a racial element to the problems with schools due to historical reasons that have not been addressed.


That's not the context of my comment. Stop looking for people to call idiots and start participating in the discussion.

Right now you're agreeing with someone who said "social promotion is something that only exists because of black people."
2014-06-12 10:40:55 AM  
1 vote:

liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.


So you grew up poor. Bully for you.
2014-06-12 10:40:40 AM  
1 vote:

lockers: The Homer Tax: lockers: The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

If you don't recognize the fact that most cities are still segregated then there is really no hope for you.

What the fark are you talking about and what does it have to do with anything I said?

This is why you are an idiot and why race is still an issue in education. It's institutional even if people refuse to admit it.


If you spent less energy calling me an "idiot" and more energy participating In the discussion, you wouldn't look like you have no idea what you are talking about.

I was disagreeing with someone who cited issues with the school system that were a result of both students and administrators being black.

If you want to present a couple issues with schooling that can be attributed to "blackness" when controlling for the myriad of other factors, most notably SES, I would love to hear them, the original guy left the thread PDQ when challenged.
2014-06-12 10:33:10 AM  
1 vote:
Some people appear to take "white-knighting" way too literally.
2014-06-12 10:12:47 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.

Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?


Sure, but I don't have to respect that someone is honest about their racist beliefs. That's a stupid thing to respect.
2014-06-12 10:12:24 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?


Sure, but if you tell everybody they "gotta respect" something or someone that is utterly reprehensible, you sound like a closeted Nickelback fan.
2014-06-12 10:10:44 AM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.

Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?


You've set the bar pretty low for accomplishments.
2014-06-12 10:06:26 AM  
1 vote:

The Homer Tax: My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.


I've seen this numerous times when I was in school.  Dave, whose mom and dad had connections in town, and on the school board, was failing a class.  Dave's dad called the school and had him transferred  into another section where the teacher was known for "grading on the curve".   Just one example of many.

People who won't admit their are privileges gained from wealth and/or connections are delusional and/or liars.

Keep in mind that this guy is a Yale grad.

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2014-06-12 10:05:51 AM  
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lockers: The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

If you don't recognize the fact that most cities are still segregated then there is really no hope for you.


What the fark are you talking about and what does it have to do with anything I said?
2014-06-12 10:00:28 AM  
1 vote:
Translation: There are too many black people on the council now and they aren't intimidated by my yelling and screaming like the white people were, so now I can't run it like my own little kingdom anymore.
2014-06-12 09:59:25 AM  
1 vote:

DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.


It only seems like that because that's what you want to believe. Because you are a racist individual.
2014-06-12 09:45:36 AM  
1 vote:

clambam: but really, who among us could not be as easily embarrassed by a recorded private conversation?


This one seems to be used more and more lately. My best guess is that a few posters routinely act like racists in private and assume the rest does too.

/but not in public, so it's ok
2014-06-12 09:38:23 AM  
1 vote:

Headso: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?


His Stormfront account.
2014-06-12 09:33:57 AM  
1 vote:

Brick-House: Ahhhh, just another liberal politician keeping alive the basic beliefs of the Democratic Party.

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I don't expect much from you... but certainly you could put a bit more effort in that that.  Perhaps your posting frequency is too high.  You're concentrating on output and the quality suffers.  Time for some self-reflection.
2014-06-12 09:22:40 AM  
1 vote:
Ahhhh, just another liberal politician keeping alive the basic beliefs of the Democratic Party.

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2014-06-12 09:02:44 AM  
1 vote:
"What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion, and I don't back down from that. I never denied what was on the tape."

Yes, but your opinion is an archaic and bigoted one. The problem with the schools probably has more to do with racists like her objectifying and working against the blacks on the school board, than it has to do with the actual black members of the board.

I wonder if she is playing or going to play the "I hate political correctness" card? That or the Bible is usually how I usually hear people like this try to justify themselves.
2014-06-12 08:55:55 AM  
1 vote:

hardinparamedic: ariseatex: That would take it from "shameful and even borderline terrifying" to "bigot with a brain too underdeveloped to see reality."

Nothing will happen to this woman from the people in her school district, do you know why?

La Marque City is a rural, predominantly Republican voting district. She is just spoonfeeding the people who elect her the same racist, bigoted tripe that many of them believe, they just can't voice it because "the system" won't let them speak "the truth".


Which is why, on a simpler level, no respect is deserved because all she's doing is taking off the white sheet in a room full of sympathizers.
2014-06-12 08:54:31 AM  
1 vote:

DrPainMD: She didn't say that blacks shouldn't be on the school board; she said the the school system is being ruined by those blacks who are on the school board.


Well, she didn't exactly say that either. It was a bit ambiguous as to whether it was "those blacks" or "those blacks on the school board". Fortunately, she opened her mouth and removed all doubt, she's a blithering idiot.

The video makes it perfectly clear that she's not qualified to be on a council. She messed up, and instead of correcting it she doubled down. Her stubbornness really completes the package: there's no room for anything except herself, she made that perfectly clear. Imagine her city issues: there would be no discussion, it's her way or the highway. This was pretty easy to fix= one says that it was taken out of context, she was tired, blah blah. Nope.
2014-06-12 08:36:49 AM  
1 vote:

lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.


At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,
2014-06-12 08:27:08 AM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.

I love the smell of racism in the morning.


Is it just me, or have the racists become more blatant lately?   It's almost like they saw Bundy, Sterling, etc, and figures 'Welp, those guys are loud and proud, and only the libtards care, so I might as well let my dick flag fly'.
2014-06-12 08:24:50 AM  
1 vote:

The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.


The counterpoint is that if she is speaking out that blatantly she must think that she won't get admonished or otherwise punished. That's scary (and scarier that she might be right).
2014-06-12 08:19:06 AM  
1 vote:
skozlaw: Let he with Derp cast the first derp

Yeah, it's so easy to pretend the problem doesn't exist.
 I mean, surely African-Americans are incapable of corruption and the school boards are dysfunctional as any white/Jewish area. Why can't they be "acting  white."

In 2009-10 the national graduation rate for Black male students was 52%. The graduation rate for White, non-Latino males was 78%. - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf

As in previous years, states with relatively small Black populations achieve high graduation rates for Black male student - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf
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2014-06-12 08:15:15 AM  
1 vote:

cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.


I love the smell of racism in the morning.
2014-06-12 08:03:44 AM  
1 vote:

TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.


She didn't say that blacks shouldn't be on the school board; she said the the school system is being ruined by those blacks who are on the school board. How do you know that the blacks on the school board didn't ruin the school system? Because, if so, then this would be another non-racist remark being turned into a racists issue by idiots who cast an extremely wide net, just like the Duck Dynasty guy saying that he recalls, from when he was a child, that black people seemed to be happy.
2014-06-12 07:53:06 AM  
1 vote:
Maybe he was addressing the failure of majority black schools, administrators,and school boards to really address issues of poor performance.

Of course, we all know this is a myth,and that school boards always act in the best interest of the children and community.

"They're all connected," McDonald said. "If you look at Clayton County, DeKalb County, Atlanta, these are overwhelmingly majority African-American school districts. This is not about the children. This is about money. Every school system has contracts. This is about folks getting their hands on those contracts."

Subsequent investigations suggest the Atlanta case may not be isolated. An investigation last year by the Journal-Constitution found 196 school districts across the USA with suspicious test score gains. In 2011, USA TODAY looked at scores across six states and the District of Columbia and found more than 1,600 cases of improbable score gains, including several cases in which educators in D.C. schools erased student answers on test forms.
The Atlanta cheating scandal is but the most recent in a series of cases in metro Atlanta that have placed public education squarely at the nexus of race and politics:



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2014-06-12 06:52:05 AM  
1 vote:
Say hello to the new right wing hero
2014-06-12 04:39:56 AM  
1 vote:
2014-06-12 03:36:01 AM  
1 vote:

Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.


And much like getting 'jewed', a lot of the negative stereotypes are result from the treatment of europeans. As in Jews were usually segregated to certain professions, such as bankers and accounting, and therefore became dominant in the position.  Therefore, you get 'jewed'.
2014-06-12 03:25:21 AM  
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TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?



I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.
2014-06-12 03:21:00 AM  
1 vote:
"Racism will not be tolerated on any level in the city of La Marque," said Mayor Bobby Hocking.

Is the position elected?  Then fark you, sir, you'll tolerate as much racism as they feel like dishing out.  The voters can pressure her if they want, but if  you go beyond politely expressing your own opinion then you're the one that should be chucked out.  Mayors are not the god-kings of their cities.

// Albeit the woman's likely going to have issues arguing that she's in compliance with the CRA if she's ever directly in charge of a hiring/firing and her actual co-workers on the board might come after her with a hostile work environment suit if she pushes it too hard.
2014-06-12 12:01:22 AM  
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FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?
 
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