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(Addicting Info)   When caught making a racist statement, most people would apologize instead of saying it's their honest personal opinion. This politician is not most people   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 263
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2014-06-13 12:55:08 PM  

liam76: thamike: And I have inherently no respect for racists, no matter how loud they are about it or to what degree of racial hatred they will act upon.  They could be racist nurses or racist axe murderers.  Despite there being a sharp difference as to the level of criminally horrific between the two, my respect ended at 'racist.'  Then to what degree it goes further downhill depends upon the actions of the racist in question.

So lets say "no respect" puts them at respect level "0".

If they do something really horrific that puts tham at a "negative" respect level, for the sake of argument lets call it "-5".

"0" is still more than "-5", so yes you do have more respect for one type of racist than another.

See how that works?


No. I see that you think respect, as a subjective emotional reaction to someone else's actions, falls on a spectrum that includes the negative.  Now respecting say, the prowess of a threat (you gotta respect the imminent horrific danger that approaching bear poses), is an entirely different definition of 'respect.'

The context it's being used here is in the positive. Ex.  "I respect you for being honest." That's a positive connotation.  It never falls into the negative.  So zero is where it starts.  There is no negative.  From "absolutely no respect" we go to "disdain" perhaps, or outright "dislike."


Neither 'disdain' nor 'dislike' are exponents of "respect."  They are antonyms.
 
2014-06-13 01:29:01 PM  

thamike: The context it's being used here is in the positive. Ex. "I respect you for being honest." That's a positive connotation. It never falls into the negative. So zero is where it starts. There is no negative. From "absolutely no respect" we go to "disdain" perhaps, or outright "dislike."


For you.

For your scale.

When soemone says they respect an honest racist more they aren't lauding the person, they are simply using it as a scale to say they are better than aperson who lies about it.

That really shouldn't be a contraversial position.
 
2014-06-13 01:35:56 PM  

liam76: For you.

For your scale.

When soemone says they respect an honest racist more they aren't lauding the person, they are simply using it as a scale to say they are better than aperson who lies about it.

That really shouldn't be a contraversial position.


Sorry, I just don't see a conspicuous or even measurable degree of honor of being a loudmouthed racist over being a shy one.  Racism is racism.  Being publicly obnoxious about it doesn't inspire any admiration from me.  Fireman or not.
 
2014-06-13 01:59:55 PM  

thamike: Sorry, I just don't see a conspicuous or even measurable degree of honor of being a loudmouthed racist over being a shy one.


Wellt he "honor" is from the honesty, not the racism.

And it isn't so much "honor" in that context, it is more a rating level of scumbaggery.
 
2014-06-13 02:07:43 PM  

liam76: Wellt he "honor" is from the honesty, not the racism.


There is no honor in honesty if the opinion one is being honest about is entirely dishonorable.
 
2014-06-13 02:13:19 PM  

thamike: liam76: Wellt he "honor" is from the honesty, not the racism.

There is no honor in honesty if the opinion one is being honest about is entirely dishonorable.



Honesty is always preferable IMHO (and once again I am not comfotrable with "honor" either just trying to highlight it as better than somebody who lies abotu it).

Peopel who are honest about their racism make it easier to help them see it is wrong or keep them from positions of power. That is a good thing.
 
2014-06-13 02:19:23 PM  

thamike: Geoff Peterson: FormlessOne: Defend it. Don't just whine about it. Quantify the "distinction" you feel must be made - what perceived quantity of racism is acceptable to you?

Is it racist to say that blacks are generally more athletic than whites? It is. Is that wrong?

It's not racist to posit that one race is generally more athletic than the other.  It's merely speaking in terms of race.  It would be racist to try to keep one race out of athletics because of it, though.  Thankfully, that doesn't happen so much anymore.


So you're saying its not racism to sort people according to race...its only racism if you act on your conclusions?
 
2014-06-13 02:20:16 PM  

liam76: Peopel who are honest about their racism make it easier to help them see it is wrong or keep them from positions of power. That is a good thing.


Yes, but it's incidental.  It's a good thing for the public to be able to see it, but it doesn't make the racist in question any more respectable than another more coy racist.
 
2014-06-13 02:22:10 PM  

Geoff Peterson: So you're saying its not racism to sort people according to race...its only racism if you act on your conclusions?


I'm saying it's not racism to recognize racial differences (at least within a non-hateful context), but it is racism to try to disenfranchise people because of racial differences.
 
2014-06-13 02:27:44 PM  

thamike: liam76: Peopel who are honest about their racism make it easier to help them see it is wrong or keep them from positions of power. That is a good thing.

Yes, but it's incidental.  It's a good thing for the public to be able to see it, but it doesn't make the racist in question any more respectable than another more coy racist.


I don't know if you are getting caught up on that word or if we are just going in circles and don't agree.

If you have two racists that act exactly the same, but one is up front about his racism then I think he is better than the person who lies about it.
 
2014-06-13 02:42:34 PM  

liam76: If you have two racists that act exactly the same, but one is up front about his racism then I think he is better than the person who lies about it.


Yes, and I don't feel that way.  So I guess we are going about in circles, but to be clear:

The only thing about an outspoken racist that trumps a quiet racist is non-racists' ability to spot them easier.  While this may inspire you to respect one more than the other, it does not inspire any modicum of respect from me.  They're both racists and I don't differentiate between the two.
 
2014-06-13 02:54:38 PM  

thamike: The only thing about an outspoken racist that trumps a quiet racist is non-racists' ability to spot them easier.


I think honesty is better than lying when it comes to views on races.

thamike: While this may inspire you to respect one more than the other, it does not inspire any modicum of respect from me


Well to be clear, we are looking at different meanings of respect.


thamike: They're both racists and I don't differentiate between the two


Fair enough.
 
2014-06-13 03:21:57 PM  
I've added more red to my fark filters in this one thread than the last year combined.
 
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