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2014-06-11 11:53:30 PM  
Well, that certainly is different.
 
2014-06-12 12:01:22 AM  
FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?
 
2014-06-12 12:46:15 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


You do have to appreciate the gravity of the situation though.  I hear it's very unlikely that she'll ever turn back.
 
2014-06-12 12:49:08 AM  
I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?
 
2014-06-12 01:32:29 AM  

serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?


Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.
 
2014-06-12 03:07:23 AM  
Bigotry in Texas?

I wish I could be shocked by that
 
2014-06-12 03:08:21 AM  

serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.


why in the world not? ESPECIALLY when it's a a politician.
 
2014-06-12 03:08:36 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.


I think serial_crusher wasn't making a freedom of speech argument, just saying that the citizens should, if they want, be voting her out or ensuring she gets fired (I'm not sure which is the case here), not pressuring her into 'resigning'.
 
2014-06-12 03:21:00 AM  
"Racism will not be tolerated on any level in the city of La Marque," said Mayor Bobby Hocking.

Is the position elected?  Then fark you, sir, you'll tolerate as much racism as they feel like dishing out.  The voters can pressure her if they want, but if  you go beyond politely expressing your own opinion then you're the one that should be chucked out.  Mayors are not the god-kings of their cities.

// Albeit the woman's likely going to have issues arguing that she's in compliance with the CRA if she's ever directly in charge of a hiring/firing and her actual co-workers on the board might come after her with a hostile work environment suit if she pushes it too hard.
 
2014-06-12 03:21:58 AM  

serial_crusher: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

You do have to appreciate the gravity of the situation though.  I hear it's very unlikely that she'll ever turn back.


"Once you go black ..."
 
2014-06-12 03:23:22 AM  

Sgeo: TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.

I think serial_crusher wasn't making a freedom of speech argument, just saying that the citizens should, if they want, be voting her out or ensuring she gets fired (I'm not sure which is the case here), not pressuring her into 'resigning'.


So if I take office on July 1 2014 for a 2 year term, I can say what ever the hell I wish without retribution for 24 months?

Yeah, I don't think so. We have methods, even at the city council level, to remove those who espouse discrimination when it comes to race, color, or creed. Even in mid term.

Any, and I do mean ANY, vote she casts from here on out (as well as previous ones) is subject to review, and one might think nullification, based on her discriminatory views. She also opens up the city (and by default the taxpayers) to lawsuits.
 
2014-06-12 03:25:21 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?



I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.
 
2014-06-12 03:29:42 AM  

serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?


Yes, the only ones who should be able to hold powerful people accountable for their statements and actions are even more powerful people.

Persons in positions of authority must not be questioned or criticized because they are superior, more intelligent people whose beliefs we are not intellectually qualified to judge.
 
2014-06-12 03:34:13 AM  

Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.


www.addictinginfo.org

That's a man, baby?

Maybe it's like turning Japanese?

/we should get an ocelot
 
2014-06-12 03:36:01 AM  

Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.


And much like getting 'jewed', a lot of the negative stereotypes are result from the treatment of europeans. As in Jews were usually segregated to certain professions, such as bankers and accounting, and therefore became dominant in the position.  Therefore, you get 'jewed'.
 
2014-06-12 03:38:17 AM  

fusillade762: Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.

[www.addictinginfo.org image 615x345]

That's a man, baby?

Maybe it's like turning Japanese?

/we should get an ocelot


Whoops! Thanks for the correction.
 
2014-06-12 03:40:06 AM  
Anyone going to keep track to see if she get re-elected? Sometimes the racist voice actually represents their little precinct, even today.
 
2014-06-12 03:44:11 AM  

Jim_Callahan: "Racism will not be tolerated on any level in the city of La Marque," said Mayor Bobby Hocking.

Is the position elected?  Then fark you, sir, you'll tolerate as much racism as they feel like dishing out.  The voters can pressure her if they want, but if  you go beyond politely expressing your own opinion then you're the one that should be chucked out.  Mayors are not the god-kings of their cities.

// Albeit the woman's likely going to have issues arguing that she's in compliance with the CRA if she's ever directly in charge of a hiring/firing and her actual co-workers on the board might come after her with a hostile work environment suit if she pushes it too hard.


This.

But realistically, the mayor is just proactively covering his--and the city's--ass, which is why people like this are usually "pressured" into resigning. If she has to hire/fire anyone after this, or is responsible for passing or enforcing any budget, law, regulation or other matter that requires compliance with Federal nondiscrimination standards, and ANYBODY feels they've been discriminated against--anyone, in any way, for any reason--both she and the city are going to be hammered hard by a civil rights violation lawsuit. I can hear the attorneys loading up their printers from here, with the amount of papers they'll need for all the briefs.

Because if the city keeps her on, without stepping hard all over her, they're looking at vicarious liability and respondeat superior. They know she's racist, that she is unwilling to acknowledge her fault, and unless they disavow her loudly and often, they are as liable as she is when--not if--someone brings suit against her and the city for wrongful termination, hostile work environment, discriminatory hiring practices, etc. etc.

Be nice to be a civil rights attorney in Texas right now. Cha-ching!
 
2014-06-12 03:54:22 AM  

links136: Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.

And much like getting 'jewed', a lot of the negative stereotypes are result from the treatment of europeans. As in Jews were usually segregated to certain professions, such as bankers and accounting, and therefore became dominant in the position.  Therefore, you get 'jewed'.


They're just being nubianrdly.
 
2014-06-12 03:54:57 AM  
Dammit. I figured the filter would get that word but I couldn't remember for sure.
 
2014-06-12 03:56:08 AM  
City council member? Really?
 
2014-06-12 03:58:45 AM  
Wow. Earlier today, I read the post of another farker who predicted that soon enough, racist dog-whistling amongst politicians would be tossed out in favor of outright and blatant racist speech.

I just really didn't think it would happen later  today.
 
2014-06-12 04:21:44 AM  
Some Farker quick, we need a "Separated at Birth" meme with this woman and Virginia Fox.

They both seem to harbor the same views, not too surprising their physical doppelgangers as well.
 
2014-06-12 04:29:57 AM  
Good.  The idiot Conservatives that actually say what they think are far less dangerous than the ones that pretend to be half-rational.
 
2014-06-12 04:30:06 AM  

fusillade762: [www.addictinginfo.org image 615x345]



She certainly turned that smile upside down.
 
2014-06-12 04:36:54 AM  
Maybe she didn't mean people with black skin, maybe she meant a family of people called the Blacks. You know, like Sirius Black out of the Harry Potter films. Don't be so quick to judge!
 
2014-06-12 04:39:56 AM  
 
2014-06-12 05:11:01 AM  

AuBricker: serial_crusher: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

You do have to appreciate the gravity of the situation though.  I hear it's very unlikely that she'll ever turn back.

"Once you go black ..."


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-06-12 05:11:06 AM  
Council candidate Christopher Lane: "We can't move forward with those dark clouds hovering over the city."
Maybe now would be a good time to work on that careful-choice-of-words skill, candidate.
 
2014-06-12 05:19:13 AM  
Think about this.   This is 25 miles SE of the 3rd or 4th largest city in the country.  (Houston proper being liberal enough to have a Lesbian mayor and a recent trans rights bill passed.)  10 Miles SE of the Johnson Space Flight Center.

Coincidentally Ron PAUL!'s congressional district.

Well I just depressed myself.  2 more years and I can GTFO.   Hopefully I wont need a passport back to the US before then.
 
2014-06-12 05:40:40 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Maybe she didn't mean people with black skin, maybe she meant a family of people called the Blacks. You know, like Sirius Black out of the Harry Potter films. Don't be so quick to judge!


All blacks are scary.

rugbyfix.com
 
2014-06-12 06:04:24 AM  
I wonder whether a cadre of supporters will form around her.  I wonder whether two of those supporters will later walk into a pizza joint, shout "The revolution has begun," and shoot a couple of black people at point-blank range.  I wonder whether Alex Jones will immediately announce that this is an obvious false flag operation staged by Obummer.  I wonder whether the rest of the right will immediately claim that the shooters were libby libz.  I wonder whether this woman will say, "Yes they came to our group, but we kicked them out because they were criminals."

I wonder whether the rest of the supporters will then form the S.A. (Super Amur'cans), a militia to Protect Murica from lazy urbanites.
 
2014-06-12 06:13:25 AM  
Dang, someone get that writer an editor.

But seriously...

"What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion, and I don't back down from that. I never denied what was on the tape."

Way to dig in on the stupid.
 
2014-06-12 06:26:35 AM  
So does that mean we have a "Republicans saying hateful things" trife-, qua-, whatever in play?  I'd suggest "sexfecta", but it sounds like something republicans need to be kept away from.
 
2014-06-12 06:26:41 AM  
Donald Sterling's a texas official?
 
2014-06-12 06:37:03 AM  
FTFA: ...made racist comments in a private conversation  that were recorded.

Not much of a  privateconversation as I see it.
 
2014-06-12 06:42:35 AM  
But I don't understand.  The supreme court has said that there is no more racism and struck down major parts of the civil rights act and affirmative action in schools.  Republicans said now that a Black president was elected, there is no more racism.  I thought stuff like this just doesn't happen anymore.  Am I missing something?
 
2014-06-12 06:45:28 AM  
But I was assured by many top right wingers here that there was no more racism in the United States.  None at all.

Is this woman maybe a Canadian who's moved to the US?
 
2014-06-12 06:52:05 AM  
Say hello to the new right wing hero
 
2014-06-12 06:55:10 AM  
For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.
 
2014-06-12 06:56:40 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


I think the implication is that she's never going back.
 
2014-06-12 07:09:34 AM  
Hoorray for voolating federal law. Enjoy prison!
 
2014-06-12 07:22:26 AM  
And you people say you aren't racist.
 
2014-06-12 07:27:07 AM  

fusillade762: Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.

[www.addictinginfo.org image 615x345]

That's a man, baby?

Maybe it's like turning Japanese?

/we should get an ocelot



Aaaaand yup.  Looks like she got hit by a truck full of bibles.
 
2014-06-12 07:29:44 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: Yeah, I don't think so. We have methods, even at the city council level, to remove those who espouse discrimination when it comes to race, color, or creed. Even in mid term.


I misread this as 'We have methodists" and was about to congratulate you on your inclusivity. ;)
 
2014-06-12 07:34:09 AM  

Jim_Callahan: "Racism will not be tolerated on any level in the city of La Marque," said Mayor Bobby Hocking.

Is the position elected?  Then fark you, sir, you'll tolerate as much racism as they feel like dishing out.  The voters can pressure her if they want, but if  you go beyond politely expressing your own opinion then you're the one that should be chucked out.


You will tolerate racism, but not impoliteness?
 
2014-06-12 07:34:11 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: So if I take office on July 1 2014 for a 2 year term, I can say what ever the hell I wish without retribution for 24 months?

Yeah, I don't think so. We have methods, even at the city council level, to remove those who espouse discrimination when it comes to race, color, or creed. Even in mid term.


The method only exists if it was specifically set up for the position.  Many charters/houses of government, etc, have ouster rules - for instance the US Congress can eject members.  Some have recall rules.  Most have maleficence rules covering criminal conduct.

There are a whole lot of elected positions where baring criminal conviction, there is no way to eject someone forcibly from office.
 
2014-06-12 07:43:25 AM  
Being a racist little biatch isn't illegal. If the majority of her electorate is behind her, she can say all the vile things she wants. I guess.

It's sad, though. But that's what you have to expect from a woman.
 
2014-06-12 07:43:33 AM  
I suppose it's better than cloaking her ignorance in a silly, cowardly euphemism like "take our country back" or some such nonsense.  It's almost refreshing in this day and age to see someone so upfront and honest with their racism.  If only more Republicans could be as brave as this woman.
 
2014-06-12 07:53:06 AM  
Maybe he was addressing the failure of majority black schools, administrators,and school boards to really address issues of poor performance.

Of course, we all know this is a myth,and that school boards always act in the best interest of the children and community.

"They're all connected," McDonald said. "If you look at Clayton County, DeKalb County, Atlanta, these are overwhelmingly majority African-American school districts. This is not about the children. This is about money. Every school system has contracts. This is about folks getting their hands on those contracts."

Subsequent investigations suggest the Atlanta case may not be isolated. An investigation last year by the Journal-Constitution found 196 school districts across the USA with suspicious test score gains. In 2011, USA TODAY looked at scores across six states and the District of Columbia and found more than 1,600 cases of improbable score gains, including several cases in which educators in D.C. schools erased student answers on test forms.
The Atlanta cheating scandal is but the most recent in a series of cases in metro Atlanta that have placed public education squarely at the nexus of race and politics:



www.gannett-cdn.com
 
2014-06-12 07:58:37 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Maybe he was addressing the failure of majority black schools, administrators,and school boards to really address issues of poor performance.

Of course, we all know this is a myth,and that school boards always act in the best interest of the children and community.

"They're all connected," McDonald said. "If you look at Clayton County, DeKalb County, Atlanta, these are overwhelmingly majority African-American school districts. This is not about the children. This is about money. Every school system has contracts. This is about folks getting their hands on those contracts."

Subsequent investigations suggest the Atlanta case may not be isolated. An investigation last year by the Journal-Constitution found 196 school districts across the USA with suspicious test score gains. In 2011, USA TODAY looked at scores across six states and the District of Columbia and found more than 1,600 cases of improbable score gains, including several cases in which educators in D.C. schools erased student answers on test forms.
The Atlanta cheating scandal is but the most recent in a series of cases in metro Atlanta that have placed public education squarely at the nexus of race and politics:


[www.gannett-cdn.com image 540x380]


zippydogcreations.typepad.com
/ derp thoughts, with Dr.Mxyzptlk.
 
2014-06-12 08:03:44 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.


She didn't say that blacks shouldn't be on the school board; she said the the school system is being ruined by those blacks who are on the school board. How do you know that the blacks on the school board didn't ruin the school system? Because, if so, then this would be another non-racist remark being turned into a racists issue by idiots who cast an extremely wide net, just like the Duck Dynasty guy saying that he recalls, from when he was a child, that black people seemed to be happy.
 
2014-06-12 08:06:41 AM  

Sgeo: TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.

I think serial_crusher wasn't making a freedom of speech argument, just saying that the citizens should, if they want, be voting her out or ensuring she gets fired (I'm not sure which is the case here), not pressuring her into 'resigning'.


Yes that. I've made the freedom of speech claims in situations where the speech was clearly unrelated to the persons work, so firing them wasn't a sensible thing to do. But in this case she was talking about the makeup of the school board which is a clearly work related conversation.

Firing her over it would be fine, but should be done in accordance with established laws. If they have to wait to the next election to vote her out, that's how it goes.
 
2014-06-12 08:07:56 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?



She's turning blackanese, I really think so.
 
2014-06-12 08:11:25 AM  
Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.
 
2014-06-12 08:12:20 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


she watched a catfight between white she-devil and sista girl
 
2014-06-12 08:15:15 AM  

cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.


I love the smell of racism in the morning.
 
2014-06-12 08:16:37 AM  
Gyrfalcon: ....
Be nice to be a civil rights attorney in Texas right now. Cha-ching!

Republicans have been making civil rights lawyers filthy rich. And note, they've lost every time, costing their constituents billions of dollars, collectively.
 
2014-06-12 08:16:41 AM  
Hurr

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-12 08:18:48 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


How one might turn black:

gatherer.wizards.com
 
2014-06-12 08:19:06 AM  
skozlaw: Let he with Derp cast the first derp

Yeah, it's so easy to pretend the problem doesn't exist.
 I mean, surely African-Americans are incapable of corruption and the school boards are dysfunctional as any white/Jewish area. Why can't they be "acting  white."

In 2009-10 the national graduation rate for Black male students was 52%. The graduation rate for White, non-Latino males was 78%. - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf

As in previous years, states with relatively small Black populations achieve high graduation rates for Black male student - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf
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2014-06-12 08:23:48 AM  
For what it's worth, I gotta say I have a minor amount of respect for her.  How many times have we had politicians backpedal when saying stupid stuff like this?  As idiotic as this woman's comments were, she shrugged her shoulders and said, effectively, "Yes, I said that.  I meant it.  So what?"

Everyone wants honesty in their politicians.  This is the first time that I can remember where I've actually seen an honest politician.  She's still an idiot, but at least she's an honest idiot.
 
2014-06-12 08:24:50 AM  

The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.


The counterpoint is that if she is speaking out that blatantly she must think that she won't get admonished or otherwise punished. That's scary (and scarier that she might be right).
 
2014-06-12 08:27:08 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.

I love the smell of racism in the morning.


Is it just me, or have the racists become more blatant lately?   It's almost like they saw Bundy, Sterling, etc, and figures 'Welp, those guys are loud and proud, and only the libtards care, so I might as well let my dick flag fly'.
 
2014-06-12 08:27:59 AM  

pueblonative: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

The counterpoint is that if she is speaking out that blatantly she must think that she won't get admonished or otherwise punished. That's scary (and scarier that she might be right).


You're both right. Hugs for everyone!
 
2014-06-12 08:30:34 AM  

The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.


Or the "I'm sorry if you were offended" bullshiat. Or "you're the racist for noticing what I said was racist".
 
2014-06-12 08:32:51 AM  

jackrazz: For what it's worth, I gotta say I have a minor amount of respect for her.  How many times have we had politicians backpedal when saying stupid stuff like this?  As idiotic as this woman's comments were, she shrugged her shoulders and said, effectively, "Yes, I said that.  I meant it.  So what?"

Everyone wants honesty in their politicians.  This is the first time that I can remember where I've actually seen an honest politician.  She's still an idiot, but at least she's an honest idiot.


No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

If trolling, boring bait.  2/10.
 
2014-06-12 08:36:49 AM  

lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.


At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,
 
2014-06-12 08:38:20 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.

I love the smell of racism in the morning.

Is it just me, or have the racists become more blatant lately?   It's almost like they saw Bundy, Sterling, etc, and figures 'Welp, those guys are loud and proud, and only the libtards care, so I might as well let my dick flag fly'.


I don't even want to know what that might look like.
 
2014-06-12 08:39:56 AM  

QueenMamaBee: TuteTibiImperes: cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.

I love the smell of racism in the morning.

Is it just me, or have the racists become more blatant lately?   It's almost like they saw Bundy, Sterling, etc, and figures 'Welp, those guys are loud and proud, and only the libtards care, so I might as well let my dick flag fly'.

I don't even want to know what that might look like.


half a hankie
 
2014-06-12 08:40:27 AM  

links136: And much like getting 'jewed', a lot of the negative stereotypes are result from the treatment of europeans. As in Jews were usually segregated to certain professions, such as bankers and accounting, and therefore became dominant in the position.  Therefore, you get 'jewed'.


I feel crappy for knowing this but 'jew' as a verb is referring to the stereo type that Jews were cheap ass money pinchers.   So if your boss 'jewed you out of your bonus', it means your boss was being a cheap asshat.
 
2014-06-12 08:46:07 AM  

hardinparamedic: lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,


I'm not so sure she "knows" this in the sense that I know the first World Cup 2014 match is scheduled for today.  I think she "knows" it in the sense that five-year-old me "knew" that Santa brought me gifts every Christmas.  That would take it from "shameful and even borderline terrifying" to "bigot with a brain too underdeveloped to see reality."
 
2014-06-12 08:46:43 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Yeah, it's so easy to pretend the problem doesn't exist.
 I mean, surely African-Americans are incapable of corruption and the school boards are dysfunctional as any white/Jewish area. Why can't they be "acting  white."


Oh, oh! I know this one!  There is absolutely NO possibilities that there are other factors at work other than the fact they must be "black and urban cultured", right?

It all boils down to the fact they're not acting "white". Nothing else at all.
 
2014-06-12 08:47:28 AM  

pueblonative: QueenMamaBee: TuteTibiImperes: cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.

I love the smell of racism in the morning.

Is it just me, or have the racists become more blatant lately?   It's almost like they saw Bundy, Sterling, etc, and figures 'Welp, those guys are loud and proud, and only the libtards care, so I might as well let my dick flag fly'.

I don't even want to know what that might look like.

half a hankie


*snert*
 
2014-06-12 08:47:47 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: skozlaw: Let he with Derp cast the first derp

Yeah, it's so easy to pretend the problem doesn't exist.
 I mean, surely African-Americans are incapable of corruption and the school boards are dysfunctional as any white/Jewish area. Why can't they be "acting  white."

In 2009-10 the national graduation rate for Black male students was 52%. The graduation rate for White, non-Latino males was 78%. - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf

As in previous years, states with relatively small Black populations achieve high graduation rates for Black male student - See more at: http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/black-male-graduation-rat e s#sthash.YOjSHZ7B.dpuf


Do you have links to anything that controls for socioeconomic factors, indicating that the difference is due to race and not a myriad of other reasons?

This is why people think you're racist. No one is suggesting any of your absurd strawmen like "majorit black schools have no problems" or "black administrators are beyond corruption." People disagree with your notion that these school systems have problems because of their majority blackness.
 
2014-06-12 08:48:30 AM  
 
2014-06-12 08:52:31 AM  

UNC_Samurai: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

How one might turn black:

[gatherer.wizards.com image 223x310]


Not a good idea with all the White Knights about here.
 
2014-06-12 08:53:27 AM  

ariseatex: That would take it from "shameful and even borderline terrifying" to "bigot with a brain too underdeveloped to see reality."


Nothing will happen to this woman from the people in her school district, do you know why?

La Marque City is a rural, predominantly Republican voting district. She is just spoonfeeding the people who elect her the same racist, bigoted tripe that many of them believe, they just can't voice it because "the system" won't let them speak "the truth".
 
2014-06-12 08:54:15 AM  

hardinparamedic: lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,


The psychological burden of keeping something secret can be very heavy, especially if it's a deeply felt conviction that you view as part of your personality or even your soul.  People who admit to things are experiencing a release of that tension which can build up over years and eventually overpower the fears of being exposed.   The fear becomes even less if there are support networks in place.

The guilty feelings I'm talking about mostly stem from not being who she thinks she is.  So she goes in the opposite direction and feels pride, which further pushes down any residual guilt about her beliefs she may have picked up from external or internal cues.  In being true to her identity she gains a sense of moral superiority and feels better about herself while also receiving validation for her beliefs from like-minded individuals either too cowardly to do the same or who are looking for allies in general.

Coming out as gay in a homophobic environment would be considered courageous and worthy of respect.  Coming out as a bigot in America's south is hardly a bold step and deserves no applause.
 
2014-06-12 08:54:31 AM  

DrPainMD: She didn't say that blacks shouldn't be on the school board; she said the the school system is being ruined by those blacks who are on the school board.


Well, she didn't exactly say that either. It was a bit ambiguous as to whether it was "those blacks" or "those blacks on the school board". Fortunately, she opened her mouth and removed all doubt, she's a blithering idiot.

The video makes it perfectly clear that she's not qualified to be on a council. She messed up, and instead of correcting it she doubled down. Her stubbornness really completes the package: there's no room for anything except herself, she made that perfectly clear. Imagine her city issues: there would be no discussion, it's her way or the highway. This was pretty easy to fix= one says that it was taken out of context, she was tired, blah blah. Nope.
 
2014-06-12 08:55:55 AM  

hardinparamedic: ariseatex: That would take it from "shameful and even borderline terrifying" to "bigot with a brain too underdeveloped to see reality."

Nothing will happen to this woman from the people in her school district, do you know why?

La Marque City is a rural, predominantly Republican voting district. She is just spoonfeeding the people who elect her the same racist, bigoted tripe that many of them believe, they just can't voice it because "the system" won't let them speak "the truth".


Which is why, on a simpler level, no respect is deserved because all she's doing is taking off the white sheet in a room full of sympathizers.
 
2014-06-12 08:57:58 AM  

lordjupiter: Which is why, on a simpler level, no respect is deserved because all she's doing is taking off the white sheet in a room full of sympathizers.


Point granted.
 
2014-06-12 08:59:51 AM  
How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.
 
2014-06-12 09:01:07 AM  
www.ljplus.ru

James White should probably stop hanging around them too...
 
2014-06-12 09:02:38 AM  

hardinparamedic: lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,


Well you'd better get used to it. This country is full of people who honestly can't figure out why we got rid of slavery. Why should I have to work when there are African, Asian, Mexican people who are not actually human in the strictest sense and who are perfectly capable of doing it for me?
 
2014-06-12 09:02:44 AM  
"What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion, and I don't back down from that. I never denied what was on the tape."

Yes, but your opinion is an archaic and bigoted one. The problem with the schools probably has more to do with racists like her objectifying and working against the blacks on the school board, than it has to do with the actual black members of the board.

I wonder if she is playing or going to play the "I hate political correctness" card? That or the Bible is usually how I usually hear people like this try to justify themselves.
 
2014-06-12 09:05:49 AM  

lordjupiter: jackrazz: For what it's worth, I gotta say I have a minor amount of respect for her.  How many times have we had politicians backpedal when saying stupid stuff like this?  As idiotic as this woman's comments were, she shrugged her shoulders and said, effectively, "Yes, I said that.  I meant it.  So what?"

Everyone wants honesty in their politicians.  This is the first time that I can remember where I've actually seen an honest politician.  She's still an idiot, but at least she's an honest idiot.

No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

If trolling, boring bait.  2/10.


You troll spotters really muck up these threads.
 
2014-06-12 09:14:51 AM  

DrBenway: Dang, someone get that writer an editor.

But seriously...

"What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion, and I don't back down from that. I never denied what was on the tape."

Way to dig in on the stupid.


She was just calling a spade a spade.
 
2014-06-12 09:15:44 AM  

starsrift: Being a racist little biatch isn't illegal. If the majority of her electorate is behind her, she can say all the vile things she wants. I guess.

It's sad, though. But that's what you have to expect from a woman.


I don't think anyone is advocating that she should be criminally charged.  Just that she shouldn't hold public office.
 
2014-06-12 09:17:17 AM  

UNC_Samurai: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

How one might turn black:

[gatherer.wizards.com image 223x310]


I don't know if I should laugh or cry for having the same thought.

xria: UNC_Samurai: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

How one might turn black:

[gatherer.wizards.com image 223x310]

Not a good idea with all the White Knights about here.


youwinonefreeinternet.jpg
 
2014-06-12 09:18:32 AM  

Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.


You would think. I'm curious about what this newly elected board member and her newfound majority voting block were trying to get passed that elicited this reaction.
 
2014-06-12 09:20:40 AM  

HighOnCraic: All blacks are scary.

img.fark.net
So, you're hip to that Maori tongue magic?
 
2014-06-12 09:20:55 AM  

MJMaloney187: You troll spotters really muck up these threads.


6/10. You should get some good bites with this.
 
2014-06-12 09:22:40 AM  
Ahhhh, just another liberal politician keeping alive the basic beliefs of the Democratic Party.

patriotsbillboard.org
 
2014-06-12 09:24:03 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

You would think. I'm curious about what this newly elected board member and her newfound majority voting block were trying to get passed that elicited this reaction.


It's Texas. For all we know they were trying to push teaching evolution and this woman wasn't going to stand for it.
 
2014-06-12 09:26:11 AM  

BitwiseShift: HighOnCraic: All blacks are scary.[img.fark.net image 450x301]
So, you're hip to that Maori tongue magic?


i512.photobucket.com

/any excuse to whip this out
 
2014-06-12 09:26:46 AM  

DrPainMD:   She didn't say that blacks shouldn't be on the school board; she said the the school system is being ruined by those blacks who are on the school board. How do you know that the blacks on the school board didn't ruin the school system?

cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.


You two seem to be confusing  correct  with  right.   She may, may be correct, she what she said certainly isn't right.
 
2014-06-12 09:27:38 AM  

Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.


I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.
 
2014-06-12 09:30:43 AM  

Fart_Machine: Crewmannumber6: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

You would think. I'm curious about what this newly elected board member and her newfound majority voting block were trying to get passed that elicited this reaction.

It's Texas. For all we know they were trying to push teaching evolution and this woman wasn't going to stand for it.


But we don't know, do we.
 
2014-06-12 09:31:26 AM  

DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.


are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?
 
2014-06-12 09:32:55 AM  

Brick-House: Ahhhh, just another liberal politician keeping alive the basic beliefs of the Democratic Party.

[patriotsbillboard.org image 600x371]


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-06-12 09:33:57 AM  

Brick-House: Ahhhh, just another liberal politician keeping alive the basic beliefs of the Democratic Party.

[patriotsbillboard.org image 600x371]


I don't expect much from you... but certainly you could put a bit more effort in that that.  Perhaps your posting frequency is too high.  You're concentrating on output and the quality suffers.  Time for some self-reflection.
 
2014-06-12 09:34:22 AM  

macadamnut: BitwiseShift: HighOnCraic: All blacks are scary.[img.fark.net image 450x301]
So, you're hip to that Maori tongue magic?

img.fark.net
/any excuse to whip this out

ppcdn.500px.org
ditto.
 
2014-06-12 09:34:39 AM  
I dunno. If she saw a group of people who regularly got together to advance a particular agenda, and they all just happen to be black, it's something she might notice and comment upon. That fact that she could speak metaphorically of another council member "turning black" means she sees blackness as shorthand for those holding a certain policy position, not for their actual ethnic background. Her comments were tone deaf, but really, who among us could not be as easily embarrassed by a recorded private conversation?
 
2014-06-12 09:34:49 AM  

ariseatex: hardinparamedic: lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,

I'm not so sure she "knows" this in the sense that I know the first World Cup 2014 match is scheduled for today.  I think she "knows" it in the sense that five-year-old me "knew" that Santa brought me gifts every Christmas.  That would take it from "shameful and even borderline terrifying" to "bigot with a brain too underdeveloped to see reality."


Yep.  If she knew she was going to get in trouble, she would have kept her mouth shut or try to bullshiat her away out of things.

She honestly doesn't see what she did wrong or why people are upset.  It's OBVIOUS that what she said is true, so why is everyone complaining?
 
2014-06-12 09:35:28 AM  

fusillade762: Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?

I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.

That's a man, baby?

Maybe it's like turning Japanese?

/we should get an ocelot


The new grumpycat face?
 
2014-06-12 09:35:55 AM  

hardinparamedic: ariseatex: That would take it from "shameful and even borderline terrifying" to "bigot with a brain too underdeveloped to see reality."

Nothing will happen to this woman from the people in her school district, do you know why?

La Marque City is a rural, predominantly Republican voting district. She is just spoonfeeding the people who elect her the same racist, bigoted tripe that many of them believe, they just can't voice it because "the system" won't let them speak "the truth".


As long as you understand this isn't an act. Racism amongst conservatives is very much a reality, even if they go to some lengths to hide it.
 
2014-06-12 09:37:05 AM  
Nice to see the casper brigade out in force defending this bigot.
 
2014-06-12 09:38:23 AM  

Headso: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?


His Stormfront account.
 
2014-06-12 09:40:58 AM  

starsrift: Being a racist little biatch isn't illegal. If the majority of her electorate is behind her, she can say all the vile things she wants. I guess.

It's sad, though. But that's what you have to expect from a woman.


Well done
 
2014-06-12 09:42:22 AM  
More and more of these horrible little people feel comfortable embracing their racism.

I call it "embracism".  Thanks, Obama.
 
hej
2014-06-12 09:43:02 AM  
I'm just happy we finally got an honest politician.
 
2014-06-12 09:43:48 AM  
I love the new "hey, it's my opinion" defense, as if, by stating that, it's somehow beyond reproach. Friggin' troglodyte.
 
2014-06-12 09:45:13 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: So if I take office on July 1 2014 for a 2 year term, I can say what ever the hell I wish without retribution for 24 months?


If legislators are dumb enough not to allow a recall vote on the office, then pretty much, yes.
 
2014-06-12 09:45:36 AM  

clambam: but really, who among us could not be as easily embarrassed by a recorded private conversation?


This one seems to be used more and more lately. My best guess is that a few posters routinely act like racists in private and assume the rest does too.

/but not in public, so it's ok
 
2014-06-12 09:49:56 AM  

rashishi: The supreme court has said that there is no more racism


Where exactly did they say this?

rashishi: struck down major parts of the civil rights act and affirmative action in schools.


They didn't "strike down AA" in schools. They said states could decide, and using race as a factor is still legal.


Musikslayer: The video makes it perfectly clear that she's not qualified to be on a council.


How about a kouncil?
 
2014-06-12 09:50:35 AM  

DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.


My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.
 
2014-06-12 09:52:14 AM  
Council candidate Christopher Lane said,"It really casts a negative shadow on the city. We can't move forward with those dark clouds hovering over the city."


It was a black day in La Marque City.
 
2014-06-12 09:54:22 AM  

The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.


If you don't recognize the fact that most cities are still segregated then there is really no hope for you.
 
2014-06-12 09:54:49 AM  
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2014-06-12 09:55:06 AM  

The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race.


One of the reasons I am pro standardized tests.

I get schools havingt he attitude of it being easier to just pas the buck, but if you had set milestones kids had to go through to get promoted it would be a lot easier to justify holding kids back. Be it a Braeydyn or a LA-A.
 
2014-06-12 09:55:08 AM  

Fart_Machine: Headso: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?

His Stormfront account.


unfortunately racist punditry in the form of "news accounts" are par for the course on all right wing sites and news channels, if only you had to go to places like stormfront for that garbage.
 
2014-06-12 09:56:23 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


She was born a small white child. But then she heard her first soul song, and eventually became black.
 
2014-06-12 09:56:59 AM  

links136: Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.

And much like getting 'jewed', a lot of the negative stereotypes are result from the treatment of europeans. As in Jews were usually segregated to certain professions, such as bankers and accounting, and therefore became dominant in the position.  Therefore, you get 'jewed'.


Jewish people self segregated into banking afaik. The old and new testament have very different concepts of loaning.
 
2014-06-12 09:57:38 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Fart_Machine: Crewmannumber6: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

You would think. I'm curious about what this newly elected board member and her newfound majority voting block were trying to get passed that elicited this reaction.

It's Texas. For all we know they were trying to push teaching evolution and this woman wasn't going to stand for it.

But we don't know, do we.


No we don't. Maybe they were just getting too uppity.
 
2014-06-12 09:59:10 AM  

Smackledorfer: Jewish people self segregated into banking afaik.


You should read more.
 
2014-06-12 09:59:25 AM  

DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.


It only seems like that because that's what you want to believe. Because you are a racist individual.
 
2014-06-12 09:59:56 AM  

The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.


Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.
 
2014-06-12 10:00:28 AM  
Translation: There are too many black people on the council now and they aren't intimidated by my yelling and screaming like the white people were, so now I can't run it like my own little kingdom anymore.
 
2014-06-12 10:02:13 AM  

Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.


No I don't.
 
2014-06-12 10:02:35 AM  

hardinparamedic: lordjupiter: No.  You do not get points for being an honest bigot.  There is no balance or even partial offset here.  People hate when politicians say the right things and then do the opposite.  Or strike secret deals that undermine the people.  Simply being honest about being a horrible person is not worthy of any respect whatsoever.  It's merely a defense mechanism against guilt.

At some point, however, this is a sign of something more disturbing: She does not feel like she has to hide her obvious bigotry, and not only that - she is outright proud of it. I don't even think it's a mechanism of self-defense against guilt.

She honestly believes the tripe she spews, and she knows she will not face punishment from her constituents for speaking her beliefs. That, alone, is shameful and even borderline terrifying in this day and age.,


The rest of the bigots believe their tripe too. They are just cowards who hide and spread it in back rooms.
 
2014-06-12 10:03:24 AM  

liam76: The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race.

One of the reasons I am pro standardized tests.

I get schools havingt he attitude of it being easier to just pas the buck, but if you had set milestones kids had to go through to get promoted it would be a lot easier to justify holding kids back. Be it a Braeydyn or a LA-A.


Here's the problem though, there's no incentive for holding kids back, there's no incentive for giving them bad grades, there's no incentive for not letting them graduate. Schools are evaluated on these things, and if they hold kids back it's viewed as a failing of the schools, not the kids or their parents.

School districts here bend over backwards to inflate grades, and make sure kids move up and graduate whether they've earned it or not. Stuff that would make racists' head exposed if they found out that schools in downtown Atlanta were doing.

Stuff like no homework at all, no deadlines for homework or projects, being able to retake quizzes and tests as many times as you want until you're satisfied with your grade, no zeroes (that's seriously a thing - if you do nothing you get a 50). I can't make this shiat up. Good think it's upper middle class white kids who are getting these policies, so no one cares...
 
2014-06-12 10:03:49 AM  

Smackledorfer: Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide.


Why?  I only ask that because, if you replace "racism" with "homosexuality" and "bigots" with "gays", you'd fit right in with the bigots 60 years ago.

/The pendulum has swung hard.  And it's just as wrong now as it was then.
 
2014-06-12 10:04:25 AM  

clambam: I dunno. If she saw a group of people who regularly got together to advance a particular agenda, and they all just happen to be black, it's something she might notice and comment upon. That fact that she could speak metaphorically of another council member "turning black" means she sees blackness as shorthand for those holding a certain policy position, not for their actual ethnic background. Her comments were tone deaf, but really, who among us could not be as easily embarrassed by a recorded private conversation?


And here we have a racist defending racism and making weak excuses.

Hey, tell us again how muslims are fundamentally incapable of leading a country and need other people to do it for them.
 
2014-06-12 10:05:51 AM  

lockers: The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

If you don't recognize the fact that most cities are still segregated then there is really no hope for you.


What the fark are you talking about and what does it have to do with anything I said?
 
2014-06-12 10:06:26 AM  

The Homer Tax: My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.


I've seen this numerous times when I was in school.  Dave, whose mom and dad had connections in town, and on the school board, was failing a class.  Dave's dad called the school and had him transferred  into another section where the teacher was known for "grading on the curve".   Just one example of many.

People who won't admit their are privileges gained from wealth and/or connections are delusional and/or liars.

Keep in mind that this guy is a Yale grad.

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2014-06-12 10:07:28 AM  
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2014-06-12 10:07:46 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.


Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?
 
2014-06-12 10:10:44 AM  

Smackledorfer: cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.

Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?


You've set the bar pretty low for accomplishments.
 
2014-06-12 10:10:51 AM  

Fart_Machine: Crewmannumber6: Fart_Machine: Crewmannumber6: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

You would think. I'm curious about what this newly elected board member and her newfound majority voting block were trying to get passed that elicited this reaction.

It's Texas. For all we know they were trying to push teaching evolution and this woman wasn't going to stand for it.

But we don't know, do we.

No we don't. Maybe they were just getting too uppity.


Or maybe she had a valid reason for being upset, and let being an ignorant racist submarine her. More than one thing can be true.
 
2014-06-12 10:11:54 AM  

IlGreven: Smackledorfer: Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide.

Why?  I only ask that because, if you replace "racism" with "homosexuality" and "bigots" with "gays", you'd fit right in with the bigots 60 years ago.

/The pendulum has swung hard.  And it's just as wrong now as it was then.


Why do I respect honesty more than dishonesty?
I prefer dealing with people who don't lie, even, especially, when it is hard.

Why do you not? Why should this cease to be true with bigots.

She is still, on the whole, a piece of shiat. Just less so than the lying bigots who sneak around with their dog whistles. If all those bigots were more open, we would see much less of them holding office. Honesty is good.
 
2014-06-12 10:12:04 AM  

The Homer Tax: lockers: The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

If you don't recognize the fact that most cities are still segregated then there is really no hope for you.

What the fark are you talking about and what does it have to do with anything I said?


This is why you are an idiot and why race is still an issue in education. It's institutional even if people refuse to admit it.
 
2014-06-12 10:12:24 AM  

Smackledorfer: Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?


Sure, but if you tell everybody they "gotta respect" something or someone that is utterly reprehensible, you sound like a closeted Nickelback fan.
 
2014-06-12 10:12:47 AM  

Smackledorfer: cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.

Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?


Sure, but I don't have to respect that someone is honest about their racist beliefs. That's a stupid thing to respect.
 
2014-06-12 10:12:54 AM  
Only 5 people defending her and 2 people trying to change the subject? That will change by noon.
 
2014-06-12 10:12:57 AM  

Ilmarinen: clambam: but really, who among us could not be as easily embarrassed by a recorded private conversation?

This one seems to be used more and more lately. My best guess is that a few posters routinely act like racists in private and assume the rest does too.

/but not in public, so it's ok


Look, I'm Jewish. A lot of people don't like Jews. I am unhappy that a lot of people don't like Jews and offended when I hear antisemitic stuff, behind my back or to my face (often followed by the line "You're not Jewish are you?"). But you can't force people to like you and you can't go through life in a tizzy of histrionic victimhood. It cuts both ways. I have a friend, an artist, he was the first male member of an all-woman artists' collective back in the 90's. He was at a meeting one day and one of the women who had been visiting a school made a comment about that "little boy smell." Everyone else laughed and he felt uncomfortable. Should he have complained? Should it have been a PC "teaching moment"?

Forming cliques, being bullies, cutting people socially, it's all very human. It shouldn't be excused, it shouldn't be encouraged, but it shouldn't be criminalized either.
 
2014-06-12 10:13:41 AM  

thamike: Smackledorfer: Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?

Sure, but if you tell everybody they "gotta respect" something or someone that is utterly reprehensible, you sound like a closeted Nickelback fan.


Ha!
 
2014-06-12 10:13:57 AM  
It seems like more and more racists are crawling out from under their rocks lately to openly spout their racist drivel, and I'm trying to see the positive in this. My take is that racism has shifted from being the norm of the silent majority to being the realm of a vocal minority. In fact, a shrill, crass, and defiantly obtuse vocal minority. Racists on Fark feel the need to defend her because they are no longer in the majority, and they feel threatened.
 
2014-06-12 10:17:10 AM  

Fart_Machine: Smackledorfer: cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.

Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?

You've set the bar pretty low for accomplishments.


Feats of athleticism, or honesty?

Because honesty is something a great deal of those who run for office lack. The country would be better off if they were honest. How is that not something worthy of acknowledgement?

And, to repeat, I still want this woman out of office. I respect that she is honest despite knowing it will hurt her chances of keeping it.
 
2014-06-12 10:18:09 AM  

nmrsnr: Well, that certainly is different.


You know where you stand with her: Nuremburg, 1936.
 
2014-06-12 10:20:22 AM  

The Homer Tax: Here's the problem though, there's no incentive for holding kids back, there's no incentive for giving them bad grades, there's no incentive for not letting them graduate. Schools are evaluated on these things, and if they hold kids back it's viewed as a failing of the schools, not the kids or their parents.


If there was a set test they had to pass to get to the next grade it is harde fro schools to just pass them because it is "easier".

lockers: This is why you are an idiot and why race is still an issue in education. It's institutional even if people refuse to admit it


You should go read his comment in context.

Somebody was claiming black parents complaining abotu kids not getting promoted tot he next grade was causing big problems. He was pointing out that issue effects schools regardless of race.
 
2014-06-12 10:23:07 AM  
At what point do we just kick the southern half of the US out of the country so the rest of us can have a first-world nation?
 
2014-06-12 10:26:08 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.

Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?

Sure, but I don't have to respect that someone is honest about their racist beliefs. That's a stupid thing to respect.


So you would respect her more if she lied?

Look, bigotry is horrible. But just because someone is a bigot does not make them 100% bad. With that in mind, it is perfectly reasonable for the level of respect to go up or down based upon other aspects of a bigot.

A bigot can fight homelessnes. A bigot can work a soup kitchen. A bigot can protect wildlife. A bigot can serve in the military (which does deserve respect even though most recent wars are crap). A bigot can protest for peace too.

A bigot can even believe group x is inferior to y but still overcome that on an individual basis when dealing with others.

I guess I have said it every way I can.
 
2014-06-12 10:27:58 AM  

liam76: You should go read his comment in context.

Somebody was claiming black parents complaining abotu kids not getting promoted tot he next grade was causing big problems. He was pointing out that issue effects schools regardless of race


Even in context, if he thinks the problems with schools don't have a racial element, then he is clearly mistaken. segregation is as much an issue today as it was in the 50's. Schools are funded geographically. So economically disadvantaged groups get economically worse education. So, yes, their is a racial element to the problems with schools due to historical reasons that have not been addressed.
 
2014-06-12 10:29:07 AM  

menschenfresser: At what point do we just kick the southern half of the US out of the country so the rest of us can have a first-world nation?


Be patient. The 'browns' are taking over the southwest slowly but surely. Another decade and it should be fun to watch.
 
2014-06-12 10:31:14 AM  

Smackledorfer: Fart_Machine: Smackledorfer: cameroncrazy1984: Smackledorfer: The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.

Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide. At the same time you gotta respect a person who owns their views and words.

No I don't.

Do you believe you can respect one aspect of a person and despise the rest?

Can I respect an athlete's accomplishment even if he is an asshole?

You've set the bar pretty low for accomplishments.

Feats of athleticism, or honesty?

Because honesty is something a great deal of those who run for office lack. The country would be better off if they were honest. How is that not something worthy of acknowledgement?

And, to repeat, I still want this woman out of office. I respect that she is honest despite knowing it will hurt her chances of keeping it.


Getting recorded making a racist comment in a private conversation and not denying it versus running on the platform to get all the blacks off the school board. Even by honesty standards it's pretty low.
 
2014-06-12 10:33:10 AM  
Some people appear to take "white-knighting" way too literally.
 
2014-06-12 10:35:13 AM  

IlGreven: Smackledorfer: Ditto. I like that society frowns on racism enough that bigots know they should hide.

Why?  I only ask that because, if you replace "racism" with "homosexuality" and "bigots" with "gays", you'd fit right in with the bigots 60 years ago.

/The pendulum has swung hard.  And it's just as wrong now as it was then.


Yes.  Because being intolerant of racism is exactly like being intolerant of gays.  Like racism is an immutable characteristic that the rest of us will just have to buck up and learn to accept.
 
2014-06-12 10:37:28 AM  

unyon: Because being intolerant of racism is exactly like being intolerant of gays


Pretty much
 
2014-06-12 10:39:39 AM  

lockers: segregation is as much an issue today as it was in the 50's.



haha, ok.

Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in. My middle school was mostly black, my first highschool was near 50%. In college I had two black guys in my fraternity. I don;t say that to pretend it is perfect or there is no racial problem, but to highlight how profoundly stupid or dishonest it is to try and say ti is as bad as it was in the 50's.

If you want to stand behind that statement you can be taken as seriously as people who claim education for black peopel is as bad as it was during slavery.

lockers: Schools are funded geographically. So economically disadvantaged groups get economically worse education.


I tis only "as bad" as the 50's if you think all black people are from economically disadvantaged areas and all white people aren't.


lockers: So, yes, their is a racial element to the problems with schools due to historical reasons that have not been addressed


Whihc isn;t realted at all tot he problems he was discussing, but I am pretty sure givent he above comments you can't be taken seriously.

Unlees you can fix that this is a waste of time.
 
2014-06-12 10:40:38 AM  

Fart_Machine: Getting recorded making a racist comment in a private conversation and not denying it versus running on the platform to get all the blacks off the school board. Even by honesty standards it's pretty low.


fair point
 
2014-06-12 10:40:40 AM  

lockers: The Homer Tax: lockers: The Homer Tax: There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

If you don't recognize the fact that most cities are still segregated then there is really no hope for you.

What the fark are you talking about and what does it have to do with anything I said?

This is why you are an idiot and why race is still an issue in education. It's institutional even if people refuse to admit it.


If you spent less energy calling me an "idiot" and more energy participating In the discussion, you wouldn't look like you have no idea what you are talking about.

I was disagreeing with someone who cited issues with the school system that were a result of both students and administrators being black.

If you want to present a couple issues with schooling that can be attributed to "blackness" when controlling for the myriad of other factors, most notably SES, I would love to hear them, the original guy left the thread PDQ when challenged.
 
2014-06-12 10:40:55 AM  

liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.


So you grew up poor. Bully for you.
 
2014-06-12 10:42:12 AM  

lockers: unyon: Because being intolerant of racism is exactly like being intolerant of gays

Pretty much


wtf
 
2014-06-12 10:42:50 AM  

lockers: liam76: You should go read his comment in context.

Somebody was claiming black parents complaining abotu kids not getting promoted tot he next grade was causing big problems. He was pointing out that issue effects schools regardless of race

Even in context, if he thinks the problems with schools don't have a racial element, then he is clearly mistaken. segregation is as much an issue today as it was in the 50's. Schools are funded geographically. So economically disadvantaged groups get economically worse education. So, yes, their is a racial element to the problems with schools due to historical reasons that have not been addressed.


That's not the context of my comment. Stop looking for people to call idiots and start participating in the discussion.

Right now you're agreeing with someone who said "social promotion is something that only exists because of black people."
 
2014-06-12 10:44:27 AM  

liam76: lockers: segregation is as much an issue today as it was in the 50's.


haha, ok.

Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in. My middle school was mostly black, my first highschool was near 50%. In college I had two black guys in my fraternity. I don;t say that to pretend it is perfect or there is no racial problem, but to highlight how profoundly stupid or dishonest it is to try and say ti is as bad as it was in the 50's.

If you want to stand behind that statement you can be taken as seriously as people who claim education for black peopel is as bad as it was during slavery.

lockers: Schools are funded geographically. So economically disadvantaged groups get economically worse education.

I tis only "as bad" as the 50's if you think all black people are from economically disadvantaged areas and all white people aren't.


lockers: So, yes, their is a racial element to the problems with schools due to historical reasons that have not been addressed

Whihc isn;t realted at all tot he problems he was discussing, but I am pretty sure givent he above comments you can't be taken seriously.

Unlees you can fix that this is a waste of time.


Dude, either get off mobile, calm down, or take your medication.

Even I don't butcher comments this badly.
 
2014-06-12 10:45:25 AM  

lockers: liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.

So you grew up poor. Bully for you.


Got it.

You are stupid (or racist) enough tothink all black peopel are poor.
 
2014-06-12 10:45:30 AM  

utharda: Think about this.   This is 25 miles SE of the 3rd or 4th largest city in the country.  (Houston proper being liberal enough to have a Lesbian mayor and a recent trans rights bill passed.)  10 Miles SE of the Johnson Space Flight Center.

Coincidentally Ron PAUL!'s congressional district.

Well I just depressed myself.  2 more years and I can GTFO.   Hopefully I wont need a passport back to the US before then.


it also has by far, the worst schools in the area and the highest crime (for the rural areas between Hou and GAL) I wanted to move there because it's close to the coast and cheap. My wife set me straight on that real quick.
 
2014-06-12 10:45:54 AM  

lockers: liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.

So you grew up poor. Bully for you.



Are you truly ignorant, or just threadshiatting?
 
2014-06-12 10:47:56 AM  
Hm; a bit more background -- apparently, she's too racist for one of the local white cops.

There have been other shenanigans previously. There's also about 70MB of a webcast radio program archived here that I lack time to listen through to see if it has her spouting other idiocies.
 
2014-06-12 10:48:21 AM  

The Homer Tax: Right now you're agreeing with someone who said "social promotion is something that only exists because of black people."


No, right now I am disagreeing that their isn't a racial element to why education sucks. The difference between really good public schools and bad public schools is extremely economically divided. Results of going to a bad school has well known economic outcomes. The reality is those same economic reasons have a large correlation to race. The problem isn't social promotion, but it certainly tracks race.
 
2014-06-12 10:50:22 AM  

vicioushobbit: Dude, either get off mobile, calm down, or take your medication


Yeah, I am not going to take time to make sure my typing is great (well, in this case passable) when somebody is claiming segregation is worse today in education than the 50's.

Probably should have left it at haha, no.
 
2014-06-12 10:52:17 AM  

Lord_Baull: lockers: liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.

So you grew up poor. Bully for you.


Are you truly ignorant, or just threadshiatting?


He toted out segregation isn't an issue because I went to school with "black people". I went to school with all sorts of ethnic people, but that doesn't mean my mostly white class didn't get better schooling then the kids who grew up 15 miles north of me.
 
2014-06-12 10:52:22 AM  
When will morons get the clue that just because what comes out of their heads is their "opinion" doesn't mean it's true, or has worth, or isn't stupid, or is just plain wrong? Is it too much to ask that thinking happen before saying?

/guess it is
 
2014-06-12 10:53:22 AM  

liam76: vicioushobbit: Dude, either get off mobile, calm down, or take your medication

Yeah, I am not going to take time to make sure my typing is great (well, in this case passable) when somebody is claiming segregation is worse today in education than the 50's.

Probably should have left it at haha, no.


*shrug* your call.  People tend to understand more if information is displayed in a legible manner.  If you give them the chance to deflect your arguments with critiques of your writing ability, you lose opportunity for actual debate and slapdown.

Who am I kidding? They are just waiting for you to post anything so they can troll harder.

/I'm done.
 
2014-06-12 10:53:33 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Maybe she didn't mean people with black skin, maybe she meant a family of people called the Blacks. You know, like Sirius Black out of the Harry Potter films. Don't be so quick to judge!


Now I don't care who you are, that's funny.

/you were already favorited so no points for you (een if well deserved)
 
2014-06-12 10:54:17 AM  

thenewmissus: Wyalt Derp: Maybe she didn't mean people with black skin, maybe she meant a family of people called the Blacks. You know, like Sirius Black out of the Harry Potter films. Don't be so quick to judge!

Now I don't care who you are, that's funny.

/you were already favorited so no points for you (een if well deserved)


even (FTFM).
 
2014-06-12 10:55:32 AM  

liam76: somebody is claiming segregation is worse today in education than the 50's.


No, I said it wasn't better. Just because it isn't written into law doesn't mean it still isn't reality.
 
2014-06-12 10:57:00 AM  

lockers: He toted out segregation isn't an issue because I went to school with "black people".


No I pointed out, what is obvious to everyone that isn't fucntionally retarted or completely full of shiat, that segregation isn't as bad as the 50's.

I also clearly spelled out the underlined bit below.

Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in. My middle school was mostly black, my first highschool was near 50%. In college I had two black guys in my fraternity. I don;t say that to pretend it is perfect or there is no racial problem, but to highlight how profoundly stupid or dishonest it is to try and say ti is as bad as it was in the 50's. :

So the only question in my mind is are you lying or stupid?
 
2014-06-12 10:58:54 AM  

lockers: Lord_Baull: lockers: liam76: Outside kindergarten (catholic school) I had black people in every class I was in.

So you grew up poor. Bully for you.


Are you truly ignorant, or just threadshiatting?

He toted out segregation isn't an issue because I went to school with "black people". I went to school with all sorts of ethnic people, but that doesn't mean my mostly white class didn't get better schooling then the kids who grew up 15 miles north of me.



Do you understand segregation and quality schooling are two different issues?
 
2014-06-12 11:01:32 AM  
All this talk of social promotion and standardized tests... makes me think.

We have charter schools, private schools, public schools, home schools...

Why don't we have one standard of achievement in education... all the way up through undergraduate-level studies?  I realize that for the most extreme levels of competence, you can't just test knowledge like that, but it should work reasonably well.  Everyone works at their own pace, and if you don't need something, you don't have it.   What if society had something like the Civilization cultural achievements system, but for educational acheivement?  There's no social promotion, there's no grades, just passing the tests and demonstrating functional competence up to a certain level.  The tests would be free up to 3 times for adults, and unlimited free shots before you turn 18 (subsidies for the poor, too, natch).

And it doesn't stop or begin with official schooling.  Achievements would be open to acquisition to all people, for their whole life.  Your 4 year old can already read a lot of words?  Good!  Get him tested, and he starts at a certain level relative to his peers.  Retiree and want to keep your mind active?  Grandpa can learn advanced trig for his word working... grandma can learn botany in her garden.  The struggling single mother can earn the equivalent of a college degree with self-study.  Skills acquired during work could be demonstrated by testing... no more having to pick apart people's work history.

This also breaks the stranglehold on degrees and higher education.  You don't need a college degree to prove you know something anymore, and your school/GPA isn't a proxy anymore for your worth as a prospective employee (and it never was a good proxy in the first place).

If only we could prevent politicization of it, it would be great.  Right now, we'd just have something like the local school boards, except it'd be a nationwide clusterfark of epic proportions once it got to test content.  Just like with everything else we've tried nationwide.
 
2014-06-12 11:05:36 AM  
If she was a black woman pointing out the same dysfunctional problems, to a white school board it would not be called racist.

It would be called "keeping it real."

Farkers, are so conditioned to jump,the real problems never get addressed.

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Someone dared challenge a black person's job performance.
 
2014-06-12 11:07:41 AM  
Or, y'know, most of us just don't make racist remarks or think that way to begin with.

/there's a whole world outside of America, subby should try to see it sometime
 
2014-06-12 11:09:57 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: If she was a black woman pointing out the same dysfunctional problems, to a white school board it would not be called racist.


One of the "dysfunctional problems" was being "black.
 
2014-06-12 11:16:06 AM  

Clever Neologism: All this talk of social promotion and standardized tests... makes me think.

We have charter schools, private schools, public schools, home schools...

Why don't we have one standard of achievement in education... all the way up through undergraduate-level studies?  I realize that for the most extreme levels of competence, you can't just test knowledge like that, but it should work reasonably well.  Everyone works at their own pace, and if you don't need something, you don't have it.   What if society had something like the Civilization cultural achievements system, but for educational acheivement?  There's no social promotion, there's no grades, just passing the tests and demonstrating functional competence up to a certain level.  The tests would be free up to 3 times for adults, and unlimited free shots before you turn 18 (subsidies for the poor, too, natch).

And it doesn't stop or begin with official schooling.  Achievements would be open to acquisition to all people, for their whole life.  Your 4 year old can already read a lot of words?  Good!  Get him tested, and he starts at a certain level relative to his peers.  Retiree and want to keep your mind active?  Grandpa can learn advanced trig for his word working... grandma can learn botany in her garden.  The struggling single mother can earn the equivalent of a college degree with self-study.  Skills acquired during work could be demonstrated by testing... no more having to pick apart people's work history.


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2014-06-12 11:16:28 AM  

PawisBetlog: starsrift: Being a racist little biatch isn't illegal. If the majority of her electorate is behind her, she can say all the vile things she wants. I guess.

It's sad, though. But that's what you have to expect from a woman.

Well done


Thanks, I try. :)
/ Some days I wonder if these things just sail over everyone's heads, or if everyone thinks they're too stupid to remark on...
 
2014-06-12 11:22:30 AM  

Hiro-ACiD: Or, y'know, most of us just don't make racist remarks or think that way to begin with.

/there's a whole world outside of America, subby should try to see it sometime


ROFLMAO.

You don't think the rest of the world is racist? Which bits? Europe where countries pass laws banning headscarves? Maybe go further east to where genocides have occurred? No racist Germans either (not godwinning, they have a lot of issues with their turkish underclass).  Africa, where genocide occurs based on both ethnicity and religion?   Maybe South Americans aren't racist, I dunno.

/wipes tears from his eyes
 
2014-06-12 11:22:43 AM  

lockers: The Homer Tax: Right now you're agreeing with someone who said "social promotion is something that only exists because of black people."

No, right now I am disagreeing that their isn't a racial element to why education sucks. The difference between really good public schools and bad public schools is extremely economically divided. Results of going to a bad school has well known economic outcomes. The reality is those same economic reasons have a large correlation to race. The problem isn't social promotion, but it certainly tracks race.


You're again missing the point. I was disagreeing with the person who said, effectively, "black people are the reason black kids are getting a poor eduction." I was saying "their race doesn't have anything to do with it."

You're trying to turn this into an affirmative action thing that I was never speaking about. I could see if from your Weeners. Calm the fark down, I'm fine with AA.

I was disagreeing with someone who said "black kids are getting a bad education because they're black" by saying "black kids are getting a bad education because they're poor."

It's all about SES, it "correlates strongly" because more black kids are poor.

Can you move the fark on now? Good lord.
 
2014-06-12 11:24:52 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: Is she crazy? Big cities and big city school systems have flourished under black leadership.

The results speak for themselves. It's science.

I love the smell of racism in the morning.


Smells like...Derpery.


But..I've been told that there are no racists on Fark.com, just people with different "opinions".
 
2014-06-12 11:30:00 AM  

Maud Dib: But..I've been told that there are no racists on Fark.com, just people with different "opinions".


Well, I have an inferiority complex, and a well-deserved one at that.  I'm not particularly bright, good-looking, well-spoken, well-liked, or wealthy.

So I like that FARK lets me anonymously post racist comments that annoy or upset people.  It makes my day.  You might be thinking, "What kind of worthless, pathetic assclown goes to message boards to make racist comments like some asshole"?  Well, I am.
 
2014-06-12 11:30:23 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: If she was a black woman pointing out the same dysfunctional problems, to a white school board it would not be called racist.

It would be called "keeping it real."

Farkers, are so conditioned to jump,the real problems never get addressed.


Someone dared challenge a black person's job performance.


mrwgifs.com
 
2014-06-12 11:31:56 AM  
37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-12 11:34:21 AM  

DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.


Ron Paul would be proud of you.
RON PAUL.
DR. RON PAUL.
 
2014-06-12 11:42:12 AM  

unyon: Clever Neologism: All this talk of social promotion and standardized tests... makes me think.

We have charter schools, private schools, public schools, home schools...

Why don't we have one standard of achievement in education... all the way up through undergraduate-level studies?  I realize that for the most extreme levels of competence, you can't just test knowledge like that, but it should work reasonably well.  Everyone works at their own pace, and if you don't need something, you don't have it.   What if society had something like the Civilization cultural achievements system, but for educational acheivement?  There's no social promotion, there's no grades, just passing the tests and demonstrating functional competence up to a certain level.  The tests would be free up to 3 times for adults, and unlimited free shots before you turn 18 (subsidies for the poor, too, natch).

And it doesn't stop or begin with official schooling.  Achievements would be open to acquisition to all people, for their whole life.  Your 4 year old can already read a lot of words?  Good!  Get him tested, and he starts at a certain level relative to his peers.  Retiree and want to keep your mind active?  Grandpa can learn advanced trig for his word working... grandma can learn botany in her garden.  The struggling single mother can earn the equivalent of a college degree with self-study.  Skills acquired during work could be demonstrated by testing... no more having to pick apart people's work history.

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*shrug* Whatever motivates people.  Seemingly silly things often work wonders.  For example, in my job, we use a  KanBan board.  It literally looks like something a grade-school teacher would use to teach project management to kids (if such a thing existed).  It works, and people get a sense of satisfaction physically moving cards on a whiteboard, and seeing a pile of "Done" cards.
 
2014-06-12 11:43:48 AM  

Smackledorfer: Hiro-ACiD: Or, y'know, most of us just don't make racist remarks or think that way to begin with.

/there's a whole world outside of America, subby should try to see it sometime

ROFLMAO.

You don't think the rest of the world is racist? Which bits? Europe where countries pass laws banning headscarves? Maybe go further east to where genocides have occurred? No racist Germans either (not godwinning, they have a lot of issues with their turkish underclass).  Africa, where genocide occurs based on both ethnicity and religion?   Maybe South Americans aren't racist, I dunno.

/wipes tears from his eyes


Mmm, so because bad things it's okay to be racist and carry hatred in your heart. Good luck with that.

/wipes shiat from his shoe
 
2014-06-12 11:45:45 AM  

Smackledorfer: menschenfresser: At what point do we just kick the southern half of the US out of the country so the rest of us can have a first-world nation?

Be patient. The 'browns' are taking over the southwest slowly but surely. Another decade and it should be fun to watch.


I, for one, welcome our Latina overlords....
 
2014-06-12 11:46:59 AM  
Damnit.

Let's try that again.

www.hairstyles123.com
 
2014-06-12 11:48:57 AM  

starsrift: PawisBetlog: starsrift: Being a racist little biatch isn't illegal. If the majority of her electorate is behind her, she can say all the vile things she wants. I guess.

It's sad, though. But that's what you have to expect from a woman.

Well done

Thanks, I try. :)
/ Some days I wonder if these things just sail over everyone's heads, or if everyone thinks they're too stupid to remark on...


Too early in the day. Everyone is still sitting on their 24 hour time-out from yesterday's MRA thread. Come back in a couple of hours when they have a chance to catch up.
 
2014-06-12 11:49:17 AM  

Hiro-ACiD: Smackledorfer: Hiro-ACiD: Or, y'know, most of us just don't make racist remarks or think that way to begin with.

/there's a whole world outside of America, subby should try to see it sometime

ROFLMAO.

You don't think the rest of the world is racist? Which bits? Europe where countries pass laws banning headscarves? Maybe go further east to where genocides have occurred? No racist Germans either (not godwinning, they have a lot of issues with their turkish underclass).  Africa, where genocide occurs based on both ethnicity and religion?   Maybe South Americans aren't racist, I dunno.

/wipes tears from his eyes

Mmm, so because bad things it's okay to be racist and carry hatred in your heart. Good luck with that.

/wipes shiat from his shoe


How the flying fark did you get from A to B on this one? At no point did I say it is ok to "be racist and carry hatred in your heart" and I think you know that I didn't.

Did you, or did you not, intend to imply that the world outside of America was somehow less racist than America?  If you did not, sorry for misreading your post (though now I have no idea what you intended to say or why it is relevant to subby in the first place).  If you did, then that is the laughable statement I am disagreeing with.
 
2014-06-12 11:58:06 AM  

Smackledorfer: How the flying fark did you get from A to B on this one? At no point did I say it is ok to "be racist and carry hatred in your heart" and I think you know that I didn't.

Did you, or did you not, intend to imply that the world outside of America was somehow less racist than America?  If you did not, sorry for misreading your post (though now I have no idea what you intended to say or why it is relevant to subby in the first place).  If you did, then that is the laughable statement I am disagreeing with.


What I read from the initial statement was more of an indictment of America's "us vs the world" mindset, and that it just won't do for a progressive society.  The response that implies that the "the world" is more racist than America, and that makes American racism just fine, is kind of a silly point to make. It's all hypothetical conjecture, but I think you missed his point completely.
 
2014-06-12 11:59:48 AM  

thamike: What I read from the initial statement was more of an indictment of America's "us vs the world" mindset, and that it just won't do for a progressive society


Oh.  Ok I guess. I suppose I tried too hard to make his post into something that was on topic :)

thamike: but I think you missed his point completely.


Wouldn't be my first time.
 
2014-06-12 12:05:24 PM  

The Homer Tax: For what it's worth, I give this idiotic hag more credit than most racists. At least she's owning it and being honest about her hatred. That means it's there and you don't have to deal with her playing the "I'm not racist! You're racist for saying in racist!" Game.

She's vile, repugnant, and hateful...but she's got my respect just a little more than racists who pretend they're not.


I don't respect racists whether they're upfront about it or couch it behind code words and "I'm not a racist, you're the racist for thinking I'm being racist!"
 
2014-06-12 12:15:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

It only seems like that because that's what you want to believe. Because you are a racist individual.


It has nothing to do with what I want to believe. Blame the NY Times and other major news outlets for being racist, because they're the ones running the stories.
 
2014-06-12 12:23:06 PM  

The Homer Tax: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.


This. My dad is a teacher in south Alabama in a mostly white (around 60%) school district, and while he may sometimes have racist tendencies (he's against affirmative action, black history month, and doesn't understand why "being proud to be white" makes people uncomfortable, but he has black friends, so totes not racist(sarcasm)), he'll straight up tell you that the majority of students he has to raise grades for so they can move on to the next grade are the white kids. He's always saying how he wishes the white students had the dedication and drive of the Hispanic and black students. You know, the poor and economically challenged minorities that want to get the hell out of the hood and trailer parks, while the white kids take pride in being ignorant rednecks and white trash.

I mean, it comes off a little racist when my dad says it, but based on my experience in a mostly white suburban school system growing up, he's right. Most of the kids that couldn't hack it and had to get their grades bumped up so they didn't fail were the rich white kids whose parents had connections to the school board/administrators.
 
2014-06-12 12:25:50 PM  

Headso: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?


http://www.ny1.com/content/news/78886/hundreds-protest-mayor-s-plan- to -end-8th-grade-social-promotion/

This took about 5 seconds to google. Check out the video.
 
2014-06-12 12:32:32 PM  

DrPainMD: Headso: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/78886/hundreds-protest-mayor-s-plan- to -end-8th-grade-social-promotion/

This took about 5 seconds to google. Check out the video.


My SO works in higher ed. It is amazing how much remedial math and English today's high school grads have to take to even begin college level courses. If that is the argument she is making it is a compelling one, but she should phrase it differently.
 
2014-06-12 12:32:36 PM  

ReverendJynxed: starsrift: PawisBetlog: starsrift: Being a racist little biatch isn't illegal. If the majority of her electorate is behind her, she can say all the vile things she wants. I guess.

It's sad, though. But that's what you have to expect from a woman.

Well done

Thanks, I try. :)
/ Some days I wonder if these things just sail over everyone's heads, or if everyone thinks they're too stupid to remark on...

Too early in the day. Everyone is still sitting on their 24 hour time-out from yesterday's MRA thread. Come back in a couple of hours when they have a chance to catch up.


What thread was that?
 
2014-06-12 12:33:16 PM  

DrPainMD: Blame the NY Times


*CHUG*
 
2014-06-12 12:35:06 PM  

glmorrs1: The Homer Tax: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

This. My dad is a teacher in south Alabama in a mostly white (around 60%) school district, and while he may sometimes have racist tendencies (he's against affirmative action, black history month, and doesn't understand why "being proud to be white" makes people uncomfortable, but he has black friends, so totes not racist(sarcasm)), he'll straight up tell you that the majority of students he has to raise grades for so they can move on to the next grade are the white kids. He's always saying how he wishes the white students had the dedication and drive of the Hispanic and black students. You know, the poor and economically challenged minorities that want to get the hell out of the hood and trailer parks, while the white kids take pride in being ignorant rednecks and white trash.

I mean, it comes off a little racist when my dad says it, but based on my experience in a mostly white suburban school system growing up, he's right. Most of the kids that couldn't hack it and had to get their grades bumped up so they didn't fail were the rich white kids whose parents had connections to the school board/administrators.


And, I'd like to add, that based on my anecdotal experiences, most of the reason black students give up and drop out is because of (probably unintentional and unrecognized) institutionalized racism. When Brian, a white classmate, acted out telling jokes, mocking the teacher, and playing "pranks" like stealing the teachers farking grade book every chance he could, the teacher just told him to knock it off and joked about him being the class clown. When Al, a black classmate, made an occasional joke or played a small prank, like hiding the blackboard eraser, he was a troublemaker disturbing the class and had to go to the principal's office.
 
2014-06-12 12:44:30 PM  

grumpfuff: Brick-House: Ahhhh, just another liberal politician keeping alive the basic beliefs of the Democratic Party.

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1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-12 12:48:33 PM  

DrPainMD: Headso: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

are those "news accounts" from right wing blogs?

http://www.ny1.com/content/news/78886/hundreds-protest-mayor-s-plan- to -end-8th-grade-social-promotion/

This took about 5 seconds to google. Check out the video.


So because black people are at a protest in NY it relates to kicking all blacks off a school board in Texas? Are you smoking the good stuff?
 
2014-06-12 12:52:19 PM  
Look at all these firemen at this fire! Firemen must cause fires! Derp!
 
2014-06-12 01:00:43 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I don't respect racists whether they're upfront about it or couch it behind code words and "I'm not a racist, you're the racist for thinking I'm being racist!"



Would a racist fireman who saves a little minority girl's life from a building be worth of some respect?  I say yes.  Anyone who says no is going full retard in their attempt to prove how much more against racism they are than someone else.

Respect is a sliding scale. There is always room for it to go lower (picture the racist you think you have zero respect for, and now picture him as a child molester too.  Do you think even less of him now?)

You and others don't need to be so obsessed with being against racism that you throw basic logic out the window too.
 
2014-06-12 01:06:22 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: If she was a black woman pointing out the same dysfunctional problems, to a white school board it would not be called racist.

It would be called "keeping it real."

Farkers, are so conditioned to jump,the real problems never get addressed.

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Someone dared challenge a black person's job performance.


Wow, you either really believe this stuff or you're one of those paid trolls I keep hearing about.

She did not mention any problems in the linked article or the original source.   Here's the audio. You'll find the second clip has the quote in question, but the rest is rife with racism by her and the others in the party ("only black people live in section 8 housing", "it's free housing", "I'm not politically correct when it comes to blacks").

Go ahead, listen to the whole thing and defend it.  It'll be fun to watch.

Is this where I put an image? How do I get paid to troll like you?
 
2014-06-12 01:07:25 PM  

Smackledorfer: Would a racist fireman who saves a little minority girl's life from a building be worth of some respect?  I say yes.  Anyone who says no is going full retard in their attempt to prove how much more against racism they are than someone else.

Respect is a sliding scale. There is always room for it to go lower (picture the racist you think you have zero respect for, and now picture him as a child molester too.  Do you think even less of him now?)

You and others don't need to be so obsessed with being against racism that you throw basic logic out the window too.


This is completely hypothetical, but your "racist fireman" who "saves a little minority girl's life" would just be doing his job, maybe even reluctantly. So f*ck that guy. The non-hateful firemen would get my respect.  As you said, it's a sliding scale.

Thanks for inventing Asshole Fireman.  How far down this rickety stairwell do you care to venture?
 
2014-06-12 01:20:35 PM  

Smackledorfer: Coco LaFemme: I don't respect racists whether they're upfront about it or couch it behind code words and "I'm not a racist, you're the racist for thinking I'm being racist!"


Would a racist fireman who saves a little minority girl's life from a building be worth of some respect?  I say yes.  Anyone who says no is going full retard in their attempt to prove how much more against racism they are than someone else.

Respect is a sliding scale. There is always room for it to go lower (picture the racist you think you have zero respect for, and now picture him as a child molester too.  Do you think even less of him now?)

You and others don't need to be so obsessed with being against racism that you throw basic logic out the window too.


The problem here is your using the word 'respect'. Racism, openly embraced, is *not* a cause for a sudden fount of respect to well up in the breast. Racism, openly embraced as by this woman in particular, is just her being a coont. What you might feel is relief in id-ing another piece of white trash, but surely not respect. She's not owning it as in, "I am a racist!". I'll lay you any amount of money that if you asked her, even after all this, if she was racist she'd say 'nope'.
 
2014-06-12 01:21:09 PM  
How about this logic Smackledorfer?  Yes there is racism around the world, but I might hold the US to a higher standard than say Nigeria.  Especially after I have been told by members of SCOTUS that there is no racism in America.  So which is it?

/Omega male or man?
 
2014-06-12 01:33:19 PM  

gottagopee: . Racism, openly embraced, is *not* a cause for a sudden fount of respect to well up in the breast.


So saying you have more respect for them than someoen who hides it is a "sudden fount of respect"?


Very black and white worldview you have.


Paschal: Especially after I have been told by members of SCOTUS that there is no racism in America.


No you haven't.
 
2014-06-12 01:42:01 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.


I, too, can't wait until society at large starts calling out all racists and showing them the door.

They can all get run out on a rail, Sterling, Jackson, Sharpton, Bundy, Hillary, Biden - all of them.
 
2014-06-12 01:53:32 PM  

glmorrs1: glmorrs1: The Homer Tax: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

This. My dad is a teacher in south Alabama in a mostly white (around 60%) school district, and while he may sometimes have racist tendencies (he's against affirmative action, black history month, and doesn't understand why "being proud to be white" makes people uncomfortable, but he has black friends, so totes not racist(sarcasm)), he'll straight up tell you that the majority of students he has to raise grades for so they can move on to the next grade are the white kids. He's always saying how he wishes the white students had the dedication and drive of the Hispanic and black students. You know, the poor and economically challenged minorities that want to get the hell out of the hood and trailer parks, while the white kids take pride in being ignorant rednecks and white trash.

I mean, it comes off a little racist when my dad says it, but based on my experience in a mostly white suburban school system growing up, he's right. Most of the kids that couldn't hack it and had to get their grades bumped up so they didn't ...


Why that explains everything? A unified field theory od social integration and academic achievement.

So your dad will explain the high dropout among black males rates, and early pregnancy among Hispanic girls (that remove them from the labor market when the white girl is advancing in her career or profession) as the response of lazy white people.

Is this why fireman and civil service exams are routinely tossed out, when not enough black firemen fail to pass.

If only the answer was so simple that it was all institutional racism, that seems to let Asian and Indian students slip by. Or the facts the "black" Africans score higher in academic.
You would think we are able to spot and stop these bastards from using our educational system to get ahead.
 
2014-06-12 02:17:10 PM  

theknuckler_33: And you people say you aren't racist.


You people?
 
2014-06-12 02:46:01 PM  

liam76: So saying you have more respect for them than someoen who hides it is a "sudden fount of respect"?


You're right, it could have been gradual or even inherent respect.
 
2014-06-12 02:46:23 PM  

thamike: Smackledorfer: Would a racist fireman who saves a little minority girl's life from a building be worth of some respect?  I say yes.  Anyone who says no is going full retard in their attempt to prove how much more against racism they are than someone else.

Respect is a sliding scale. There is always room for it to go lower (picture the racist you think you have zero respect for, and now picture him as a child molester too.  Do you think even less of him now?)

You and others don't need to be so obsessed with being against racism that you throw basic logic out the window too.

This is completely hypothetical, but your "racist fireman" who "saves a little minority girl's life" would just be doing his job, maybe even reluctantly. So f*ck that guy. The non-hateful firemen would get my respect.  As you said, it's a sliding scale.

Thanks for inventing Asshole Fireman.  How far down this rickety stairwell do you care to venture?


There aren't racist firemen?

That is an interesting assertion.

And firefighters don't get props for risking their lives because it is their job? Odd.

Fyi the example was to show the way respect has a sliding scale, not to create a real person. I thought it was clearly hypothetical.
 
2014-06-12 02:48:08 PM  

Paschal: How about this logic Smackledorfer?  Yes there is racism around the world, but I might hold the US to a higher standard than say Nigeria.  Especially after I have been told by members of SCOTUS that there is no racism in America.  So which is it?

/Omega male or man?


I don't understand the 'which is it' question. What were my options there?
 
2014-06-12 02:49:58 PM  

Smackledorfer: And firefighters don't get props for risking their lives because it is their job? Odd.


Not your hypothetical racist fireman, no.  Like I said, f*ck that guy, he's imaginary as far as your concerned, and I don't have much respect for your imagination in the first place.
 
2014-06-12 02:51:02 PM  

thamike: liam76: So saying you have more respect for them than someoen who hides it is a "sudden fount of respect"?

You're right, it could have been gradual or even inherent respect.


Yeah I have inherently more respect for honest people then liars.

Most peopel feel the same.

But bring up racism and the SJW streak of fark comes out and all racists are exactly the same and there can be no variation on views towards them unless you are a hate filled bigot who is also racist.
 
2014-06-12 03:08:52 PM  

Smackledorfer: links136: Damnhippyfreak: TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


I'm guessing because 'black' to this guy is not just a skin color, but also a set of (presumably negative) cultural traits. Kind of like getting "Jewed" as an expression.

And much like getting 'jewed', a lot of the negative stereotypes are result from the treatment of europeans. As in Jews were usually segregated to certain professions, such as bankers and accounting, and therefore became dominant in the position.  Therefore, you get 'jewed'.

Jewish people self segregated into banking afaik. The old and new testament have very different concepts of loaning.


Actually Jews went into banking because A) they were typically not allowed to own land in Europe so services and lending was the only way to make a living and B) usury laws are not different between the old and new testament.
 
2014-06-12 03:13:52 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Derpity do da


So when did the black guy steal your girlfriend?

And what is with all the "whiteknights" all having handles with Dr.? Dr.Driedel excluded of course.
 
2014-06-12 03:17:00 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: B) usury laws are not different between the old and new testament.


I thought the difference was Christians weren't supposed to be collecting interest from anyone on loans, while Jews were allowed to in select circumstances?

I haven't the time to do research atm, so I will retract my statement and stand corrected.
 
2014-06-12 03:19:35 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Derpity do da

So when did the black guy steal your girlfriend?

And what is with all the "whiteknights" all having handles with Dr.? Dr.Driedel excluded of course.


They are compensating for their pathetic lives by creating an alternate reality where they are doctors. It is similar to the Fark engineer phenomenon
 
2014-06-12 03:20:39 PM  

thamike: Smackledorfer: And firefighters don't get props for risking their lives because it is their job? Odd.

Not your hypothetical racist fireman, no.  Like I said, f*ck that guy, he's imaginary as far as your concerned, and I don't have much respect for your imagination in the first place.


Fortunately my imagination never asked for your respect.

I find it odd you reject my hypothetical outright while at the same time clearly weighing in on it.

So just to be clear then:

A regular fireman you would respect, right?
A racist one you would not respect any more or less than a racist mailman?


Again, my point is that, imo anyways, respect goes on a sliding scale, and respect for another human doesn't immediately go to zero (or some negative value, set up your number line as you wish) upon them holding a single ignorant belief. It falls, but not completely upon the basis of a single thing.
Even within bigots there are massive differences in belief from one to another. I wouldn't rank them all equally.
 
2014-06-12 03:20:54 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: Sgeo: TuteTibiImperes: serial_crusher: I don't like the concept of pressuring people to resign.  If you're in the power to fire them, fire them.  Probably have to wait until the next election cycle though?

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of people's reaction to that speech.  I think it's a good thing that society is starting to stand up to those who espouse backwards and intolerant views.

It's perfectly reasonable for the citizens of a city to be outraged and call for the ouster of a city councilwoman (in a city that's 35% black) who makes the statement that black people shouldn't be on the school board, and then reiterates her support for that statement.

I think serial_crusher wasn't making a freedom of speech argument, just saying that the citizens should, if they want, be voting her out or ensuring she gets fired (I'm not sure which is the case here), not pressuring her into 'resigning'.

So if I take office on July 1 2014 for a 2 year term, I can say what ever the hell I wish without retribution for 24 months?

Yeah, I don't think so. We have methods, even at the city council level, to remove those who espouse discrimination when it comes to race, color, or creed. Even in mid term.

Any, and I do mean ANY, vote she casts from here on out (as well as previous ones) is subject to review, and one might think nullification, based on her discriminatory views. She also opens up the city (and by default the taxpayers) to lawsuits.


And thats why politicians in these situations offen have to resign. The basically have a sit down with the city attorney and it goes like this either you resign or you recuse your self from any vote of significance.
 
2014-06-12 03:28:47 PM  

Smackledorfer: All2morrowsparTs: B) usury laws are not different between the old and new testament.

I thought the difference was Christians weren't supposed to be collecting interest from anyone on loans, while Jews were allowed to in select circumstances?

I haven't the time to do research atm, so I will retract my statement and stand corrected.


I am too lazy to do the research but I believe that was the stance that the Church took for a time, but it was "building a fence around the law" rather than the law itself.
 
2014-06-12 03:31:20 PM  

liam76: gottagopee: . Racism, openly embraced, is *not* a cause for a sudden fount of respect to well up in the breast.

So saying you have more respect for them than someoen who hides it is a "sudden fount of respect"?


Very black and white worldview you have.


Paschal: Especially after I have been told by members of SCOTUS that there is no racism in America.

No you haven't.


I have zero respect for either. And her 'open honesty' isn't. The only thing she's honest about is wanting everything her own way. As I stated, she hasn't stood and openly proclaimed YES I AM A RACIST AND PROUD OF IT!! All she's done is whine.
 
2014-06-12 04:05:50 PM  

thamike: Smackledorfer: Would a racist fireman who saves a little minority girl's life from a building be worth of some respect?  I say yes.  Anyone who says no is going full retard in their attempt to prove how much more against racism they are than someone else.

Respect is a sliding scale. There is always room for it to go lower (picture the racist you think you have zero respect for, and now picture him as a child molester too.  Do you think even less of him now?)

You and others don't need to be so obsessed with being against racism that you throw basic logic out the window too.

This is completely hypothetical, but your "racist fireman" who "saves a little minority girl's life" would just be doing his job, maybe even reluctantly. So f*ck that guy. The non-hateful firemen would get my respect.  As you said, it's a sliding scale.

Thanks for inventing Asshole Fireman.  How far down this rickety stairwell do you care to venture?


At the EMS service I work at there's an EMT who is incredibly racist, and even went so far as to call one of our responders and his mother n-bomb lovers because the responder has a black stepfather. It's disgusting he still works here and I refuse to work with the asshole because I can't trust him to give the same level of care to a minority patient as he would to a white patient.

/Not so CSB
 
2014-06-12 04:12:56 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: glmorrs1: glmorrs1: The Homer Tax: DrPainMD: Headso: How do black people ruin a school board? you would think black people and white people would want the same things for their kids within reason.

I've read several news accounts where a school board tried to end social promotion (i.e., passing kids into the next grade even tho they didn't learn what was taught in the current grade) and being bombarded with protests. It seems like the protesters are, more often than not, black.

My sister and brother in law are both teachers at different schools in relatively affluent, white area (Northern VA). Social Promotion is very real and rampant here, the fear is usually from Braeydyn and Dakotas daddy's lawyers, not from "black protesters."

There are major problems with the public schooling system in this country, and said issues are indifferent to race. Your repeated desire to ascribe them to one race at the exclusion of others is why people think of you as a racist.

This. My dad is a teacher in south Alabama in a mostly white (around 60%) school district, and while he may sometimes have racist tendencies (he's against affirmative action, black history month, and doesn't understand why "being proud to be white" makes people uncomfortable, but he has black friends, so totes not racist(sarcasm)), he'll straight up tell you that the majority of students he has to raise grades for so they can move on to the next grade are the white kids. He's always saying how he wishes the white students had the dedication and drive of the Hispanic and black students. You know, the poor and economically challenged minorities that want to get the hell out of the hood and trailer parks, while the white kids take pride in being ignorant rednecks and white trash.

I mean, it comes off a little racist when my dad says it, but based on my experience in a mostly white suburban school system growing up, he's right. Most of the kids that couldn't hack it and had to get their grades bumped up so they didn't ...

Why that explains everything? A unified field theory od social integration and academic achievement.

So your dad will explain the high dropout among black males rates, and early pregnancy among Hispanic girls (that remove them from the labor market when the white girl is advancing in her career or profession) as the response of lazy white people.

Is this why fireman and civil service exams are routinely tossed out, when not enough black firemen fail to pass.

If only the answer was so simple that it was all institutional racism, that seems to let Asian and Indian students slip by. Or the facts the "black" Africans score higher in academic.
You would think we are able to spot and stop these bastards from using our educational system to get ahead.


Whatever, bro. Don't you have anything better to do than race-bait on fark? No sheets to bleach? No large wooden crosses to start soaking in lighter fluid?

/and fark you for choosing one of the most lighthearted and comical Superman villains for your handle
 
2014-06-12 04:22:13 PM  
I would ask her to clarify her remarks. If she's going to stand by her claim that the black members of the board are hindering progress, then I want to know specifically what she means. Maybe she works with a bunch of Sheila Jackson Lees or Al Sharptons. Maybe she wasn't being racist ... maybe she was just plainly speaking.
 
2014-06-12 05:28:18 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Is this why fireman and civil service exams are routinely tossed out, when not enough black firemen fail to pass.

If only the answer was so simple that it was all institutional racism, that seems to let Asian and Indian students slip by. Or the facts the "black" Africans score higher in academic.



Hmm, if black Africans succeed where African-Americans fail, that would suggest the latter is being held back by their white ancestry.

/You can imagine the hardships I have had to overcome with two white parents, not even counting the yearly sunburn.
 
2014-06-12 06:27:44 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: Smackledorfer: Hiro-ACiD: Or, y'know, most of us just don't make racist remarks or think that way to begin with.

/there's a whole world outside of America, subby should try to see it sometime

ROFLMAO.

You don't think the rest of the world is racist? Which bits? Europe where countries pass laws banning headscarves? Maybe go further east to where genocides have occurred? No racist Germans either (not godwinning, they have a lot of issues with their turkish underclass).  Africa, where genocide occurs based on both ethnicity and religion?   Maybe South Americans aren't racist, I dunno.

/wipes tears from his eyes

Mmm, so because bad things it's okay to be racist and carry hatred in your heart. Good luck with that.

/wipes shiat from his shoe


Subby here, so I am a racist who carries hatred in my heart for posting a link to this article with this headline, please explain to me why you think that.
 
2014-06-12 06:48:03 PM  

img.fark.net

What's going on is this thread?

 
2014-06-12 07:04:21 PM  

gottagopee: I have zero respect for either.


Yeah, black and white world view.

Once a racist and you are automatically in the exact same group as every other group and there can be no distinction.
 
2014-06-12 10:11:23 PM  

liam76: gottagopee: I have zero respect for either.

Yeah, black and white world view.

Once a racist and you are automatically in the exact same group as every other group and there can be no distinction.


...because there are grades of racism which are inherently acceptable, and as such we shouldn't be polarized against racism automatically because of subjective and arbitrary boundaries?

Racism should not be tolerated. Period. What distinction would you make, exactly, which would make some form of racism acceptable? Where's your line? I can almost hear it - "hey, off-color jokes about kikes & darkies is fine - but, damn it, no killing or enslaving them, because that's racist!"

Defend it. Don't just whine about it. Quantify the "distinction" you feel must be made - what perceived quantity of racism is acceptable to you?
 
2014-06-12 10:33:18 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTFA:  "It's not going to get any better until you get those blacks off the school board. She really turned black. She got on the school board with the rest of the blacks and they all just ganged up and that's why the school system has gone to hell."

What is that even supposed to mean?  She  turned black?  She wasn't black before being elected to the school board?  Is this some kind of Soul Man situation?


Maybe the GOP is taking their narrative that being gay is a choice and thought they'd try it out with being black is now a choice as well.
 
2014-06-13 12:00:39 AM  
"What is on the tape is nothing more than me stating my honest opinion"

Well yes exactly, that is actually the point here.
 
2014-06-13 06:50:22 AM  

FormlessOne: liam76: gottagopee: I have zero respect for either.

Yeah, black and white world view.

Once a racist and you are automatically in the exact same group as every other group and there can be no distinction.

...because there are grades of racism which are inherently acceptable, and as such we shouldn't be polarized against racism automatically because of subjective and arbitrary boundaries?

Racism should not be tolerated. Period. What distinction would you make, exactly, which would make some form of racism acceptable? Where's your line? I can almost hear it - "hey, off-color jokes about kikes & darkies is fine - but, damn it, no killing or enslaving them, because that's racist!"

Defend it. Don't just whine about it. Quantify the "distinction" you feel must be made - what perceived quantity of racism is acceptable to you?


Saying one thing is worse than another doesn't mean one is 'acceptable'.

The black and white view you are arguing for here puts a guy who makes a racist joke in the same category of respect as a person who lynched a person for race.

And btw if you want to not 'tolerate' racism, isn't that a lot easier with people who are up front about it?
 
2014-06-13 09:01:46 AM  

FormlessOne: Defend it. Don't just whine about it. Quantify the "distinction" you feel must be made - what perceived quantity of racism is acceptable to you?


Is it racist to say that blacks are generally more athletic than whites? It is. Is that wrong?
 
2014-06-13 11:19:12 AM  

Smackledorfer: A regular fireman you would respect, right?
A racist one you would not respect any more or less than a racist mailman?


Correct.
 
2014-06-13 11:21:58 AM  

Geoff Peterson: FormlessOne: Defend it. Don't just whine about it. Quantify the "distinction" you feel must be made - what perceived quantity of racism is acceptable to you?

Is it racist to say that blacks are generally more athletic than whites? It is. Is that wrong?


It's not racist to posit that one race is generally more athletic than the other.  It's merely speaking in terms of race.  It would be racist to try to keep one race out of athletics because of it, though.  Thankfully, that doesn't happen so much anymore.
 
2014-06-13 11:29:17 AM  

liam76: Yeah I have inherently more respect for honest people then liars.

Most peopel feel the same.

But bring up racism and the SJW streak of fark comes out and all racists are exactly the same and there can be no variation on views towards them unless you are a hate filled bigot who is also racist.


And I have inherently no respect for racists, no matter how loud they are about it or to what degree of racial hatred they will act upon.  They could be racist nurses or racist axe murderers.  Despite there being a sharp difference as to the level of criminally horrific between the two, my respect ended at 'racist.'  Then to what degree it goes further downhill depends upon the actions of the racist in question.  See how that works?
 
2014-06-13 11:52:13 AM  

thamike: And I have inherently no respect for racists, no matter how loud they are about it or to what degree of racial hatred they will act upon.  They could be racist nurses or racist axe murderers.  Despite there being a sharp difference as to the level of criminally horrific between the two, my respect ended at 'racist.'  Then to what degree it goes further downhill depends upon the actions of the racist in question.


So lets say "no respect" puts them at respect level "0".

If they do something really horrific that puts tham at a "negative" respect level, for the sake of argument lets call it "-5".

"0" is still more than "-5", so yes you do have more respect for one type of racist than another.

See how that works?
 
2014-06-13 12:55:08 PM  

liam76: thamike: And I have inherently no respect for racists, no matter how loud they are about it or to what degree of racial hatred they will act upon.  They could be racist nurses or racist axe murderers.  Despite there being a sharp difference as to the level of criminally horrific between the two, my respect ended at 'racist.'  Then to what degree it goes further downhill depends upon the actions of the racist in question.

So lets say "no respect" puts them at respect level "0".

If they do something really horrific that puts tham at a "negative" respect level, for the sake of argument lets call it "-5".

"0" is still more than "-5", so yes you do have more respect for one type of racist than another.

See how that works?


No. I see that you think respect, as a subjective emotional reaction to someone else's actions, falls on a spectrum that includes the negative.  Now respecting say, the prowess of a threat (you gotta respect the imminent horrific danger that approaching bear poses), is an entirely different definition of 'respect.'

The context it's being used here is in the positive. Ex.  "I respect you for being honest." That's a positive connotation.  It never falls into the negative.  So zero is where it starts.  There is no negative.  From "absolutely no respect" we go to "disdain" perhaps, or outright "dislike."


Neither 'disdain' nor 'dislike' are exponents of "respect."  They are antonyms.
 
2014-06-13 01:29:01 PM  

thamike: The context it's being used here is in the positive. Ex. "I respect you for being honest." That's a positive connotation. It never falls into the negative. So zero is where it starts. There is no negative. From "absolutely no respect" we go to "disdain" perhaps, or outright "dislike."


For you.

For your scale.

When soemone says they respect an honest racist more they aren't lauding the person, they are simply using it as a scale to say they are better than aperson who lies about it.

That really shouldn't be a contraversial position.
 
2014-06-13 01:35:56 PM  

liam76: For you.

For your scale.

When soemone says they respect an honest racist more they aren't lauding the person, they are simply using it as a scale to say they are better than aperson who lies about it.

That really shouldn't be a contraversial position.


Sorry, I just don't see a conspicuous or even measurable degree of honor of being a loudmouthed racist over being a shy one.  Racism is racism.  Being publicly obnoxious about it doesn't inspire any admiration from me.  Fireman or not.
 
2014-06-13 01:59:55 PM  

thamike: Sorry, I just don't see a conspicuous or even measurable degree of honor of being a loudmouthed racist over being a shy one.


Wellt he "honor" is from the honesty, not the racism.

And it isn't so much "honor" in that context, it is more a rating level of scumbaggery.
 
2014-06-13 02:07:43 PM  

liam76: Wellt he "honor" is from the honesty, not the racism.


There is no honor in honesty if the opinion one is being honest about is entirely dishonorable.
 
2014-06-13 02:13:19 PM  

thamike: liam76: Wellt he "honor" is from the honesty, not the racism.

There is no honor in honesty if the opinion one is being honest about is entirely dishonorable.



Honesty is always preferable IMHO (and once again I am not comfotrable with "honor" either just trying to highlight it as better than somebody who lies abotu it).

Peopel who are honest about their racism make it easier to help them see it is wrong or keep them from positions of power. That is a good thing.
 
2014-06-13 02:19:23 PM  

thamike: Geoff Peterson: FormlessOne: Defend it. Don't just whine about it. Quantify the "distinction" you feel must be made - what perceived quantity of racism is acceptable to you?

Is it racist to say that blacks are generally more athletic than whites? It is. Is that wrong?

It's not racist to posit that one race is generally more athletic than the other.  It's merely speaking in terms of race.  It would be racist to try to keep one race out of athletics because of it, though.  Thankfully, that doesn't happen so much anymore.


So you're saying its not racism to sort people according to race...its only racism if you act on your conclusions?
 
2014-06-13 02:20:16 PM  

liam76: Peopel who are honest about their racism make it easier to help them see it is wrong or keep them from positions of power. That is a good thing.


Yes, but it's incidental.  It's a good thing for the public to be able to see it, but it doesn't make the racist in question any more respectable than another more coy racist.
 
2014-06-13 02:22:10 PM  

Geoff Peterson: So you're saying its not racism to sort people according to race...its only racism if you act on your conclusions?


I'm saying it's not racism to recognize racial differences (at least within a non-hateful context), but it is racism to try to disenfranchise people because of racial differences.
 
2014-06-13 02:27:44 PM  

thamike: liam76: Peopel who are honest about their racism make it easier to help them see it is wrong or keep them from positions of power. That is a good thing.

Yes, but it's incidental.  It's a good thing for the public to be able to see it, but it doesn't make the racist in question any more respectable than another more coy racist.


I don't know if you are getting caught up on that word or if we are just going in circles and don't agree.

If you have two racists that act exactly the same, but one is up front about his racism then I think he is better than the person who lies about it.
 
2014-06-13 02:42:34 PM  

liam76: If you have two racists that act exactly the same, but one is up front about his racism then I think he is better than the person who lies about it.


Yes, and I don't feel that way.  So I guess we are going about in circles, but to be clear:

The only thing about an outspoken racist that trumps a quiet racist is non-racists' ability to spot them easier.  While this may inspire you to respect one more than the other, it does not inspire any modicum of respect from me.  They're both racists and I don't differentiate between the two.
 
2014-06-13 02:54:38 PM  

thamike: The only thing about an outspoken racist that trumps a quiet racist is non-racists' ability to spot them easier.


I think honesty is better than lying when it comes to views on races.

thamike: While this may inspire you to respect one more than the other, it does not inspire any modicum of respect from me


Well to be clear, we are looking at different meanings of respect.


thamike: They're both racists and I don't differentiate between the two


Fair enough.
 
2014-06-13 03:21:57 PM  
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