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(The Raw Story)   "If a husband threatens to murder his wife with a gun, that's her problem, not the cops'." Was this from: A) Elliot Rodger's manifesto B) some MRA douche-blogger or C) "Reverend" Pat Robertson   (rawstory.com) divider line 76
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2014-06-11 05:25:13 PM
13 votes:
There was an MRA joke in the headline

MRA BEACON ACTIVATED

ALL MRAS REPORT TO THREAD TO DEFEND THE MOST HELPLESS AMONGST US - MEN
2014-06-11 05:15:10 PM
5 votes:

Theaetetus: Because People in power are Stupid: Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

...he says, making false claims about what feminists are about...

/hypocrisy is nothing new to MRAs


Headline falsely attributes a pro-violence statement as something that MRA's would write.

I suppose that you weren't paying attention when they taught you how to do this in your advanced womyn's studies classes.

x2.fjcdn.com
2014-06-11 05:01:54 PM
5 votes:

timujin: Right.  Do you have a one with of a couple of guys where I get to pick which one whines about being oppressed anytime someone makes a joke that touches on MRA?


p.gr-assets.com
2014-06-11 04:46:38 PM
5 votes:

timujin: Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a picture of the submitter:

[thepigmancometh.com image 200x266]

Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

They also have been known to pull fire alarms to prevent anyone from discussing gender equality.

That headline generated this response from you? Your fedora might be on too tight.


www.evilmilk.com

The feminist on the left isn't bashing MRA at every chance.
The feminist on the right bashes MRA every chance she gets.

See the difference?
2014-06-11 02:35:49 PM
4 votes:
i59.photobucket.com
2014-06-11 06:40:58 PM
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-06-11 05:52:24 PM
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-06-11 03:33:39 PM
3 votes:
Here's a picture of the submitter:

thepigmancometh.com

Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

They also have been known to pull fire alarms to prevent anyone from discussing gender equality.
2014-06-11 03:02:50 PM
3 votes:

Spad31: MRA?


Men's Rights Advocate, I think. Though it could be the Murderous Rifle Association.
2014-06-12 02:03:26 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-06-11 09:23:40 PM
2 votes:
At least now I know how to get a Fark insta-green: just put "MRA" in the headline.
2014-06-11 07:10:37 PM
2 votes:
Me:

web.mit.edu

This thread:

web.mit.edu
web.mit.edu

This is almost as much fun as the old Dickwolf threads.
2014-06-11 07:05:35 PM
2 votes:

skinink: So according to Pat, who should have called the cops at the Copacabana?


Lola.
2014-06-11 06:54:00 PM
2 votes:
When did Fark become the love child of Tumblr and Jezebel? I mean I hate reddit too (why I read Fark instead), but Jesus.
2014-06-11 06:44:31 PM
2 votes:

soporific: Because People in power are Stupid: Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

If you want to know what MRA is all about, this article paints a pretty clear picture.


Oh god, you just dropped an atom bomb on this debate. Bar none, the single most authoritative source in academia today is cracked.com. How can anyone refute that.

Except the fact the Men's Rights isn't an internet fad - been around since the feminist movement kicked off in fact. And the fact that Eliot Rogers had no connection to even the douchebaggiest MRA sites.

i.imgur.com

LazyMedia: The dumbest thing about MRAs is that they think family courts are rigged against fathers who want custody because of feminist ideology. Family courts have ALWAYS been rigged against custodial fathers, because of patriarchal ideas about gender roles.

Also, to MRAs, all feminists are Andrea Dworkin and a handful of other fringey loons hanging out in academia.


Ahh! A variant on the old "the patriarchy caused this so men have no right to complain" with a good dose of 'dumb men don't realize that it's the patriarchy farkin them over.'

Which makes for good pop social theory but means exactly shiat for the individual men caught up in the family court system.
2014-06-11 05:42:02 PM
2 votes:

jst3p: A thread with gun issues and gender equality issues. This could be epic, it's already chalk full of doucebags.


Chalk? And this is the second time in as many days that I've seen someone use "doucebags".
2014-06-11 05:34:46 PM
2 votes:

aagrajag: So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group


Because their group is a joke?

Kidding!

Sort of!
2014-06-11 05:34:40 PM
2 votes:
I love this bit.
/nsfw
Link
2014-06-11 05:30:15 PM
2 votes:

3.bp.blogspot.com

"Judge not. Shoot first and let dad handle it."

2014-06-11 05:20:43 PM
2 votes:

Lee Jackson Beauregard: I_Am_Weasel: The fact that Pat is still alive to be able to share his beliefs is proof God does exist...and he's a dick.

Hell doesn't want Pat Robertson.


God doesn't want him either.  Thus, Pat Robertson keeps on living.

Maybe God can make a deal with Mormon God and send him to another planet.
2014-06-11 05:16:04 PM
2 votes:
One of my favorite things about feminists is how they go on and on about the importance of language and how if we say something like "mankind" it's discriminatory because it's not mentioning women, yet the moment you point out that if they're about equal rights why are they called feminists in the first place you get a spiel about how it's not the same and how you don't get what feminism is all about.

Well, if language matters, then feminism is wrong. It also implies men have all the rights. (Yes, men have more rights, but that doesn't mean they have all the rights. Women have rights over men too).
2014-06-11 05:11:40 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a picture of the submitter:

[thepigmancometh.com image 200x266]

Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

They also have been known to pull fire alarms to prevent anyone from discussing gender equality.


Trolling is an unbecoming trait for a young lady.
2014-06-11 05:10:26 PM
2 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: The fact that Pat is still alive to be able to share his beliefs is proof God does exist...and he's a dick.


Hell doesn't want Pat Robertson.
2014-06-11 05:09:49 PM
2 votes:
"But you're a kid, what do you do? You know?" he said. "Your mother ought to take care of that."

I agree. She should use a .45 to give him a third eye.
2014-06-11 05:05:06 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: timujin: Right.  Do you have a one with of a couple of guys where I get to pick which one whines about being oppressed anytime someone makes a joke that touches on MRA?

[p.gr-assets.com image 500x375]


Aww, puddin', don't cry, it's just Fark.
2014-06-11 04:55:30 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: timujin: Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a picture of the submitter:

[thepigmancometh.com image 200x266]

Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

They also have been known to pull fire alarms to prevent anyone from discussing gender equality.

That headline generated this response from you? Your fedora might be on too tight.

[www.evilmilk.com image 380x251]

The feminist on the left isn't bashing MRA at every chance.
The feminist on the right bashes MRA every chance she gets.

See the difference?


Right.  Do you have a one with of a couple of guys where I get to pick which one whines about being oppressed anytime someone makes a joke that touches on MRA?
2014-06-11 04:40:38 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a picture of the submitter:

[thepigmancometh.com image 200x266]

Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

They also have been known to pull fire alarms to prevent anyone from discussing gender equality.


That headline generated this response from you? Your fedora might be on too tight.
2014-06-11 03:08:18 PM
2 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: naughtyrev: Spad31: MRA?

Men's Rights Advocate, I think.

He-Man Woman-Haters and Fedora Aficionados.


It's a Trilby!
2014-06-11 03:06:42 PM
2 votes:

naughtyrev: Spad31: MRA?

Men's Rights Advocate, I think.


He-Man Woman-Haters and Fedora Aficionados.
2014-06-12 08:48:16 AM
1 votes:
Elegy: <snip>


damiaodias.typepad.com
2014-06-12 04:33:17 AM
1 votes:

aagrajag: ciberido: aagrajag: There are real, quantifiable injustices affected men (primarily in family courts) that are not being addressed, and while these do not directly affect my happily-married ass, they hurt others. They are not being addressed by feminist groups, nor do I expect them to be

That's a fairly strong assertion to make.  Can you specify exactly which "real, quantifiable injustices affecting men" in the USA are not being addressed?

Because the very first hit when I do a Google search on "feminism family court" seems to indicate that you're wrong.

Perhaps you should re-read my post; I mentioned several:


And perhaps you should re-read my post.  I asked specifically about injustices  not being addressed.  Is it your contention that everything you listed is being completely ignored by everyone except the MRA?


aagrajag: -significant scholarship and preferential placements are available for female students (particularly in STEM fields), whereas almost none are earmarked for men in fields in which they are underrepresented, education, namely.

-women already outnumber men in most universities, and the gap is growing, yet almost no resources are being allocated to remedy this.


Let me get this straight.  On the one hand, you're complaining that more scholarships and preferential placements are awarded to female students, and that's bad; but in the very next breath you're complaining that "almost no resources are being allocated to remedy" the gap between male and female students in  universities?  So which is it?  Should  scholarships and preferential placements be awarded to assist minority (in this case, male) or disadvantaged students, or not?
2014-06-12 02:02:44 AM
1 votes:

Fafai: aagrajag: I already know what the answer will be.

[i.imgur.com image 300x263]


moar funny pictures before bed...

i.imgur.com
2014-06-12 01:35:39 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: aagrajag: There are real, quantifiable injustices affected men (primarily in family courts) that are not being addressed, and while these do not directly affect my happily-married ass, they hurt others. They are not being addressed by feminist groups, nor do I expect them to be

That's a fairly strong assertion to make.  Can you specify exactly which "real, quantifiable injustices affecting men" in the USA are not being addressed?

Because the very first hit when I do a Google search on "feminism family court" seems to indicate that you're wrong.


Perhaps you should re-read my post; I mentioned several:

-there are almost no resources available for men suffering domestic violence. Note that this also makes it *extremely* difficult for a father to bring his child out of a situation with an abusive mother

-google for the percentage of men who are homeless versus women

-male suicides versus female

-highly unequal treatment by criminal courts: you are better off walking into criminal court as a black woman than as a white man. In the US, that means something.

-significant scholarship and preferential placements are available for female students (particularly in STEM fields), whereas almost none are earmarked for men in fields in which they are underrepresented, education, namely.

-women already outnumber men in most universities, and the gap is growing, yet almost no resources are being allocated to remedy this.

- the attitudes toward intimate violence are revolting. Do a google (sorry, on mobile) for an experiment in which a couple recorded peoples reactions to a man striking a woman and a woman striking a man: the former was stopped almost immediately, while people cheered on the latter.

That's a start.
2014-06-12 01:23:35 AM
1 votes:

ennuie: aagrajag: Dusk-You-n-Me: There was an MRA joke in the headline

MRA BEACON ACTIVATED

ALL MRAS REPORT TO THREAD TO DEFEND THE MOST HELPLESS AMONGST US - MEN

I can show you some genuinely nutty, misandrist feminists, but to paint all feminists as such would be wrong and bigoted, and people would be perfectly justified to call it out as such.

So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group, then excuse it with a Rush Limbaugh-esque "It's just a joke! Lighten up, guy!"?

Because MRA is considered a hate group. Advocating equality for men is not the same thing as MRA. MRA is specifically about hating women, and focuses little on true inequities males face (limitations to their free expression, clothing, profession, parenthood/custody, etc placed on them due to gender roles and stereotypes). You won't hear many MRAs advocating a man's right to have sex with another man, or two wear a dress, or be a nurse or kindergarten teacher. They don't really care about men's equality, it's just a veil for their hate.


I support all of those things. I'm a flaming liberal, an as such I have empathy for many different groups of people.

I'd ask what I should call myself, but I already know what the answer will be.
2014-06-12 01:14:23 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: you may consider yourself invited to enjoy conjugal relations with a cactus


i.imgur.com

Accepted!
2014-06-11 11:13:35 PM
1 votes:
img.fark.net

"Are you saying that men and women are identical?"
"Oh, no, of course not! Women are unique in every way."
"Now he's saying men and women  aren't equal!"
"No, no, no! It's the differences of which there are none that makes the sameness exceptional. Just tell me what to say!"
2014-06-11 11:10:44 PM
1 votes:
Sometimes I don't understand feminism.  One minute it's not okay to show a woman getting beaten up, because of violence against women in society, and the next minute it's not okay to *avoid* showing women getting beaten up, because it implies that you think that women are a weaker species who have no place getting in fights.
2014-06-11 11:06:49 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: LazyMedia: The dumbest thing about MRAs is that they think family courts are rigged against fathers who want custody because of feminist ideology. Family courts have ALWAYS been rigged against custodial fathers, because of patriarchal ideas about gender roles.

Your statement is only sort of true and only sort of true if you restrict it to family courts since 1910, when family courts basically came into existence.

Before that, when custody issues came before the court, so called  patriarchal ideas about gender roles ruled in favor of the father for a very long time and then swung with the growing feminist movement to be in favor of the mother.

So in fact, in truth, you are actually completely wrong on the history and in your claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_interests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tender_years_doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_court

Now however, your statement is very truthy.

It is feminist groups, not fathers rights groups, who time and again lobby against shared custody and lobby to retain primary custody systems and other laws that favor the mother.

http://www.nomas.org/node/244
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1po78q/do_you_think_fe mi nists_should_support_a/


A very prominent 2nd wave feminist, Karen DeCrow died just this week. She was a strong proponent of shared custody.

But she was just about the last one. That was 1977.

https://www.nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/21752-karen-decrow- la st-now-president-to-support-shared-parenting-dies

I gather from your comments here you think you know quite a bit about a father's rights movement, based on comments and posts you read on the net, but I actually don't think you've done much research. Many of your opinions seem shaped by cant, not by historical fact, reasoning, or reading into what the Father's Rights groups have to say.

I would greatly encourage you to place the national parents organization blog on your feed list.

https://www.nationalparentsorga ...


Yeah, don't have kids. Don't know much, or particularly care about divorced-father's rights. Think that anyone who claims that men have fewer rights than women, and need some sort of special protection is a complete idiot, and that anyone who claims biases in the system are the result of feminism must have been dropped on his head as a child.
2014-06-11 10:19:47 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: RoyBatty: Dad was working one or more jobs that probably sucked just trying to keep a roof over everyone's head.

Well, that's the thing. I mean, talking about custody, rates really haven't changed in the past 20 years. I know you're a well read guy, so here's some some source material from the census bureau for you

At table 1, the proportion of custodial mothers in 1995 to custodial fathers in 2009 remained largely the same: 11,000,000 mothers to 2,000,000 fathers. So actually, men aren't receiving custody more often.

Family courts are also about more than custody of course. Table 2 shows that only 30% of men received child support, while almost 55% of women received child support. Men are also better at paying: only 34% of men received all child support payments while 42% of women received all child support - the proportion of out and out deadbeats was roughly the same between genders, with 27% of men never receiving any payments versus 29% of women. And on page 5, custodial mothers were more likely to not work than custodial fathers, and were more than twice as likely to be on some form of government assistance.



There's so much terrible logic at play in these discussions.

"I don't see a bias. Most men don't contest custody therefore I conclude it's reasonable for women to get custody more often".

Well, men don't contest custody for the same reason so many innocent people accept plea bargains marking them guilty.

+ Going to court is VERY VERY expensive
+ Regardless of the truth, they will probably lose

"When men go to court, they get custody 50% of the time"

+ Yes, when the very best cases go to court, when you've stripped off all the men who couldn't afford good lawyers, or haven't the documentation, and who have paid $25K to $250K or more to get to court, then at those times, it's a 50/50 chance the father might win.

All of that is indicative of bias, not indicative of no bias.

RoyBatty: As FARK gets more polarized, I visit less often too. We used to be able to have these discussions and they were discussions. Now everyone leaps to be the first to play the troll/whiner/whatever card.

The interesting discussions come up when Mikey1969 and cryinoutloud and other people reveal personal experiences -- those are real, give one pause and make one think -- and then the discussions are shutdown with cries of MRA!!, Feminazi!! and other kind of bullshiat.

I know right? It's not even that it makes me mad, it's just so damn boring and unoriginal. I don't care if someone disagrees with me, but the same 3 lines over and over again, with no room for actual discussion.... Yawn.


Exactly. Waste of time reading the same comments over and over. I visit threads that seem interesting, scan down the comments looking for either wit or insight or hopefully both, and then as soon as I see it hit a very rote and unoriginal political ad hominem blame game, I'm out. Sadly these days it seems like that's about 3 comments in on many threads.
2014-06-11 10:08:35 PM
1 votes:

DrBenway: Do you really see them as being straightforwardly black and white, purely this way or that?


With what we are given in the video, I think it boils down to what I laid out.

The child is a child.
The adult is an adult.

While there is an unhinged person running around with a gun, I would never suggest the child call the cops except as a last resort. I would suggest try and leave the house and find a neighbor and have them call the police.

The child is a child.
The adult is an adult.
The person with the gun has ran around several times with a gun.

When the incident is over, I would still not suggest the child go first to the cops. The child should be directed to find an authority figure. Mom, a neighbor, or a teacher.

It truly is Mom's responsibility to protect her child when Dad is going off with the gun.

NOTHING, absolutely nothing in the scenario suggests mom is so battered she cannot act. That is what you and others are putting on top of the situation, and in doing so, you make the child responsible for the mother.

But the child is a child.
The parent is an adult.

Given what we are told, I see no reason to think the default position must be that mother is helpless and psychologically battered to the point that AFTER the attack she cannot go to the police.  That may indeed be a possibility, but that is what you have to hitch your argument to in order to morally justify telling a child to become responsible for the mother.

And I suspect it is a sexist belief on your part that takes you in that direction.

If the situation was reversed, and there are many fathers who physically do fear for their safety and their children's safety from abusive mothers, we would sympathize with the father, but we would tell the father it is his responsibility to get out, to call the police and make the child's environment safe.

So yes, stripped of how each of us want to project our bigotries and fears and suspicions onto the scenario, what we know is that

+ a child
+ an adult woman, the child's parent
+ were victimized by a man with a gun

And I say it is wrong to tell the child he has to be responsible for the mother before speaking to the mother first.

Telling the mother, "Dad scares me" is the right thing to do.
Telling the kid, "when this happens you must escape, and take your younger brother with you"
Telling the kid, "when this is over, let a teacher know"

Those are correct. Telling a kid to pick up a phone during a gun confrontation is idiotic and dangerous and sexist and likely to wind up with the kid dead and many other members of the family.
2014-06-11 10:06:42 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Dad was working one or more jobs that probably sucked just trying to keep a roof over everyone's head.


Well, that's the thing. I mean, talking about custody, rates really haven't changed in the past 20 years. I know you're a well read guy, so here's some some source material from the census bureau for you

At table 1, the proportion of custodial mothers in 1995 to custodial fathers in 2009 remained largely the same: 11,000,000 mothers to 2,000,000 fathers. So actually, men aren't receiving custody more often.

Family courts are also about more than custody of course. Table 2 shows that only 30% of men received child support, while almost 55% of women received child support. Men are also better at paying: only 34% of men received all child support payments while 42% of women received all child support - the proportion of out and out deadbeats was roughly the same between genders, with 27% of men never receiving any payments versus 29% of women. And on page 5, custodial mothers were more likely to not work than custodial fathers, and were more than twice as likely to be on some form of government assistance.

RoyBatty: As FARK gets more polarized, I visit less often too. We used to be able to have these discussions and they were discussions. Now everyone leaps to be the first to play the troll/whiner/whatever card.

The interesting discussions come up when Mikey1969 and cryinoutloud and other people reveal personal experiences -- those are real, give one pause and make one think -- and then the discussions are shutdown with cries of MRA!!, Feminazi!! and other kind of bullshiat.


I know right? It's not even that it makes me mad, it's just so damn boring and unoriginal. I don't care if someone disagrees with me, but the same 3 lines over and over again, with no room for actual discussion.... Yawn.
2014-06-11 09:45:28 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: RoyBatty: Such is FARK, such is modern day Internet fora.

Too true. I'd be much more impressed if anybody would brings anything to the table besides the old, tired, whining trope.

How's life been? Haven't seen you around since the Eliot Rogers thing, but then again I haven't been around much.


As FARK gets more polarized, I visit less often too. We used to be able to have these discussions and they were discussions. Now everyone leaps to be the first to play the troll/whiner/whatever card.

The interesting discussions come up when Mikey1969 and cryinoutloud and other people reveal personal experiences -- those are real, give one pause and make one think -- and then the discussions are shutdown with cries of MRA!!, Feminazi!! and other kind of bullshiat.
2014-06-11 09:41:07 PM
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: jst3p: On this note some are coming around. I have 50/50 custody in Colorado and I didn't have to fight for it, the court are more accepting of recent research that shows that kids can thrive in a situation where they have two homes if it is done properly. Logistics can be tricky and getting along with the ex can be trying but it can work.

i know your story, and I bet you know at least some of mine, but I have never seen a situation where one of the parents got full custody, no matter how many claims there were of domestic violence or drug abuse. This went out years ago. In any divorce that i've been aware of for most of my life, custody is split. And I've done a few rounds (years) in family court. If the parents move apart, usually one parent gets the kids for the school year, then the other gets them during the summer. If they live close to each other, the old "Wednesday night and every other weekend" applies for the non-custodial parent. This is the standard write-up for a custody order, I saw it from every lawyer I ever met, and it didn't vary much. The idea is that the kids need to be in one home during the school week, it's better for them.

But here's the thing: you aren't required to stick with the custody order to the letter, if you can work something else out. That is just the minimum required. If you're still on speaking terms with the ex, you all can work out anything you want. Swap the kids every single school night, if you can deal with each other. In fact, if you can trick your ex into giving you more and more time, you can then petition the courts to let you have that custody officially. Jst3p might know a little about that one.

Now, probably a man will have trouble getting primary custody still, but think about it, guys--before you split, who took care of the kids most of the time? It may have been you--maybe your ex-wife is a coke fiend who lives down at the bar--but in most instances, it was the wife dealing with the kids. ...


Well I kind of know your story, and I have always sympathized, and no women don't shoot up their kids, sometimes they drown them, sometimes they repeatedly run over the father, and yes, whoops, sometimes they do shoot them down dead.

https://www.google.com/search?espv=2&q=woman+shoots+her+children
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/05/05/schenecker-julie-opening-sta te ments-murder-trial-florida

The standard deal, the every other weekend and Wednesday nights is a horror show ,and encourages the custodial parent to chip away at the hours on Wednesday, and the drop off time on Friday and the pick up time on Sunday, and offer the kids a chance to go to a football game if they ask their dad for permission to go to that football game on his Saturday but they have to ask, or a birthday party, or a shopping trip to the mall, and how often can Dad really say "no"?

You may not see the bias, but it's there. It's there in how quickly courts and states and police act against parents who do not pay custody, but how they make parents whose custody is being interfered with file a suit in civil court on their own dime and wait months and months and pay for attorneys and court psychs and delays and delays and literally years go by and nothing has been done to enforce custody.

And while in your scenario, mom was dealing with the kids? Dad was working one or more jobs that probably sucked just trying to keep a roof over everyone's head.
2014-06-11 09:37:10 PM
1 votes:

nanim: Bathia_Mapes: gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.

What if the mother doesn't do after being repeatedly abused and/or threatened by her husband? Are the children supposed to watch daddy mistreating & threatening their mother and take no action?

Is it emotionally damaging to a child to see and hear one parent mistreating the other.

^^^ ^^^^
OMG this! (thanks Bathia_Mapes)

Yes - its incredibly hurtful to the kids (and their future relationships) to see that behavior continue.


I don't know, what would be the alternative? Robertson is pointing the "kid" - and I say that in the same sense that penthouse forum publishes "true stories" - to the seemingly only trusted adult in his or her life.

As someone pointed out, the emotional scarring of sending your daddy to jail and having your co-dependent mommy hate you for it is also rather large.

As someone else pointed out, the potential danger from abusive daddy when abusive daddy realized kid just called the cop on him is also not inconsequential.

There are no perfect answers here. "Go tell your mom that this scares you and she needs to make it stop" is not a bad answer, or at least a less bad answer, than many others he could have given.
2014-06-11 09:31:36 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Such is FARK, such is modern day Internet fora.


Too true. I'd be much more impressed if anybody would brings anything to the table besides the old, tired, whining trope.

How's life been? Haven't seen you around since the Eliot Rogers thing, but then again I haven't been around much.

fusillade762: At least now I know how to get a Fark insta-green: just put "MRA" in the headline.


Works for anything loony radfem too. It helped that subby was a liar and most people - with the exception of a few holdouts - came to the conclusion that Robertson's advice was actually rather reasonable, all things considered.
Once you realize TFA is pretty boring, what else is there to talk about besides people's naughty parts?
2014-06-11 08:52:40 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: DrBenway: Uh, dude... maybe just stop typing?

Unless this is some sort of performance art, that is, in which case I enthusiastically applaud your efforts.

Uh, dude, the sum of your arguments here amount to: he's whining, he's white knighting a whiner, he's passive aggressive.

I have directly challenged you to show where I have done any of the above in this thread. The words are right there on the screen.

You're response: "lalala stop typing"

Truly, you are a master debater.


He or she actually hasn't made any "arguments". He or she has only engaged in name calling and dismissals.

I have no idea why DrBenway thinks what I wrote is addle brained and she or he did not bother to explain why to us, but most likely could not explain why.

Nevertheless, I am confident DrBenway feels she or he has unlocked "Master of Thread" accomplishments.

Such is FARK, such is modern day Internet fora.
2014-06-11 08:29:00 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: They also have been known to pull fire alarms to prevent anyone from discussing gender equality.


I remember seeing that youtube video.  It just made me want to listen to the guy more.  I mean, if what he was going to say was going to be so bad, they wouldn't NEED to shout him down.
2014-06-11 08:07:16 PM
1 votes:

timujin: Empty H: You were having a public conversation and I pointed out that your metaphor was incorrect. I had assumed you understood the basic idea of empathy, and that you also had empathy for other humans, and maybe you were trying to say something else. It is now obvious that my assumption, possibly even both, were wrong.

Using a situation that involved pain was not the ideal metaphor, especially considering the actual topic of the thread.


This is probably going to sound way too "feely" but that is seriously all I was trying to say. I had you Favorited and thus expected better.

Okay, so um, how about that local sports team.
2014-06-11 07:52:23 PM
1 votes:

LazyMedia: To be fair, you were white-knighting a whiner, not actually whining. But Jesus, HE was whining.


DrBenway: Yeah, but his white-knighting was more-than-a-little-bit tinged with passive-aggressive whining. Resorting to that sort of defensiveness is not an endearing quality.


Please cite where I have white knighted anyone in this thread. This one should also be easy.

Oh, and passive aggressive? How the fark have I been passive aggressive?

Denigrating your opponents by attempting to emasculate them: whining, defensiveness, passive-aggressiveness - nice!

Look, I get it: any man that has the audacity to say "hey, this might just be unfair" is no man at all, right? Men are stoic, and tough. We don't complain, so any man that does is obviously no man.

Tell me more about those patriarchal gender roles I've heard so much about, because you guys seem to be applying a full court press of them at them moment.
2014-06-11 07:51:55 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: Whereas, with MRAs, so far as I know nobody every tells a guy, "Hey, you must be an MRA!" or "What are you, some kind of MRA?"


First "guys cant pee while hard" and now this. Just stop. You have no idea. I've been called MRA for saying I've never raped anyone. It's one of the first things people pull on you when you acknowledge any type of female privilege whatsoever.
2014-06-11 07:47:29 PM
1 votes:

LazyMedia: The dumbest thing about MRAs is that they think family courts are rigged against fathers who want custody because of feminist ideology. Family courts have ALWAYS been rigged against custodial fathers, because of patriarchal ideas about gender roles.


Your statement is only sort of true and only sort of true if you restrict it to family courts since 1910, when family courts basically came into existence.

Before that, when custody issues came before the court, so called  patriarchal ideas about gender roles ruled in favor of the father for a very long time and then swung with the growing feminist movement to be in favor of the mother.

So in fact, in truth, you are actually completely wrong on the history and in your claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_interests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tender_years_doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_court

Now however, your statement is very truthy.

It is feminist groups, not fathers rights groups, who time and again lobby against shared custody and lobby to retain primary custody systems and other laws that favor the mother.

http://www.nomas.org/node/244
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1po78q/do_you_think_fe mi nists_should_support_a/


A very prominent 2nd wave feminist, Karen DeCrow died just this week. She was a strong proponent of shared custody.

But she was just about the last one. That was 1977.

https://www.nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/21752-karen-decrow- la st-now-president-to-support-shared-parenting-dies

I gather from your comments here you think you know quite a bit about a father's rights movement, based on comments and posts you read on the net, but I actually don't think you've done much research. Many of your opinions seem shaped by cant, not by historical fact, reasoning, or reading into what the Father's Rights groups have to say.

I would greatly encourage you to place the national parents organization blog on your feed list.

https://www.nationalparentsorganization.org/blog

Here are some other interesting blogs you might wish to read:

http://www.dadsrights.org/  - written by Anne Mitchell, attorney

http://parentalalienationsupport.com/

http://sometimesdaddiescry.blogspot.com/

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/author/barbara-kay/
2014-06-11 07:34:03 PM
1 votes:

unchellmatt: Me:

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This thread:

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This is almost as much fun as the old Dickwolf threads.


You're a half black half white child molester with a Peter Pan complex?
img.fark.net
2014-06-11 07:13:37 PM
1 votes:

timujin: Elegy: timujin: If you're trying to make those who support it seem like victimized crybabies, you've succeeded.

That's right. Talking about any inequality you face makes you sound like a victimized, whiny crybaby.

Toughen up men. Just suck it up and take it. You don't need to voice your opinion when you see something you think is unfair. You're a man. Be a man. Be tough.

Just suck it up, you crybaby.

You realize that by taking my point that what this gue has written in this thread makes him come off as someone with a fetish for victimization and write what you do, you're actually doing the same thing, right?  Making it seem like everything is about you and that you're the "real victim" here?

He's not talking about inequality, he's taking a joke and making himself a martyr.  Thing is, the joke should only be offensive to "MRA douche-bloggers".  Are you one?  If not, why be offended?  Are you suggesting there are no such people?  Every group has assholes.  If you don't realize that, you haven't been on Fark long enough.


No.

If you were a black man, and there were to appear a headline including the phrase "negro gangbangers", would you not be somewhat annoyed at the co-location of a highly negative adjective with a perfectly benign one? It's a deliberately insulting conflation.
2014-06-11 07:11:51 PM
1 votes:

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: You sound afraid of women.


This says quite the opposite.

LazyMedia: Well as long as no TRUE Scotsman is into the pickup artist scene, or the anti-pickup artist scene, or hangs out slagging women on MRA websites, then I guess they're OK. You want to help fathers get custody in family court, fine. Seems like that would be a Father's Rights movement, and it would have absolutely nothing to say about feminism, unlike 99 percent of the pro-MRA posts on here. Most of the guys I see biatching about family court are just mad that they have to pay child support for kids they don't want.


Sadly, there is a father's rights movement. Just as sadly, they've been lumped into the MRA movement by people like you, people like you who then tell them to stop whining and being misogynists after the courts farked them over.

There's also quite a bit more inequality than just family courts out there that the feminist movement - despite the claims that the feminist movement is there for men and women - have largely ignored over the past two decades. This, of course, doesn't even touch on the more general response of 'you have no right to comment on feminism because you are a man, sit down and shut up and quit whining' that this thread has so thoughtfully exhibited.

When you marginalize a group of people and tell them their concerns are irrelevant and not valid concerns, is it any surprise they go off and form their own little radicalized groups? It's how you get Islamic radicalized Islamic terrorists in the Middle East, and it's how you get radicalized MRAs on the internet.

And yeah, there are a lot of douchebag MRAs out there. Lot of douchebag radfems too. Please tell me how that contributes to the factual truth of the claims made by either?
2014-06-11 07:03:12 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: An adult woman and a child witness a man threatening them with a gun. A phone is nearby.

Who here thinks the child should call the police?
Who here thinks the adult woman should call the police?

The man is no longer threatening the adult woman and the child with a gun. A phone is nearby.

Who here thinks the child should call the police?
Who here thinks the adult woman should call the police?

Who is abusing the child?
[ ] the man threatening the child and adult woman woman?
[ ] the adult woman who will not call the police to protect her child?
[ ] the farkers demanding the child call the police to protect the adult woman?


This is remarkably addle-brained, even for you. Good job. There are so many influencing variables and qualifiers that can be attached to your scenarios that it is little more than a pointless exercise in "look how stupid I am."
2014-06-11 06:54:01 PM
1 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
2014-06-11 06:47:55 PM
1 votes:
img.fark.net

Must be a shop. Not a single fedora or neckbeard.
2014-06-11 06:23:48 PM
1 votes:

timujin: You realize that by taking my point that what this gue has written in this thread makes him come off as someone with a fetish for victimization and write what you do, you're actually doing the same thing, right?  Making it seem like everything is about you and that you're the "real victim" here?

He's not talking about inequality, he's taking a joke and making himself a martyr.  Thing is, the joke should only be offensive to "MRA douche-bloggers".  Are you one?  If not, why be offended?  Are you suggesting there are no such people?  Every group has assholes.  If you don't realize that, you haven't been on Fark long enough.


Ah, yes, the old "stop playing the victim card" canard.

Which was precisely my point. Your entire argument thus far has boiled down to "suck it up and be tough, you're men, quit whining you crybabies."

Way to reinforce those patriarchal gender roles. I guess you want men to be in touch with their feelings and discuss them openly, at least until they say something you don't like. In which case, they need to suck it up and be tough because manly men are strong and don't cry and whine about things.

Got it.
2014-06-11 06:19:03 PM
1 votes:

Elegy: jst3p: MRA's are indeed crybabies who often subscribe to this magazine:

[img.fark.net image 194x259]

Oooh, men's magazines!

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So what you are saying is every group of people have members that poorly represent what that group stands for?
2014-06-11 06:16:58 PM
1 votes:
Man, I just love to poop.
2014-06-11 06:16:21 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: MRA's are indeed crybabies who often subscribe to this magazine:

[img.fark.net image 194x259]


Oooh, men's magazines!

i.imgur.com
2014-06-11 06:12:53 PM
1 votes:

UncomfortableSilence: aagrajag: Dusk-You-n-Me: There was an MRA joke in the headline

MRA BEACON ACTIVATED

ALL MRAS REPORT TO THREAD TO DEFEND THE MOST HELPLESS AMONGST US - MEN

I can show you some genuinely nutty, misandrist feminists, but to paint all feminists as such would be wrong and bigoted, and people would be perfectly justified to call it out as such.

So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group, then excuse it with a Rush Limbaugh-esque "It's just a joke! Lighten up, guy!"?

1. Most of the feminists I know haven't been the all out war type, every MRA person I've met has lived up to it.

2. One group is actually fighting against social injustice and for equality, the other is fighting against perceived slights and women getting to be treated as equals.


Well, you know one now.

Feel free to check my previous posts; you'll find nothing remotely misogynistic in them.

I have a good relationship with every female in my life, even my ex-girlfriends.

There are real, quantifiable injustices affected men (primarily in family courts) that are not being addressed, and while these do not directly affect my happily-married ass, they hurt others. They are not being addressed by feminist groups, nor do I expect them to be. It is not reasonable to expect any but the most noble members of a group to actively fight for the elimination of their privileges.

So someone else has to.

I would love to talk more, but I have class to teach. I'll be back in a few hours.

Cheers
2014-06-11 06:09:51 PM
1 votes:

timujin: Elegy: timujin: If you're trying to make those who support it seem like victimized crybabies, you've succeeded.

That's right. Talking about any inequality you face makes you sound like a victimized, whiny crybaby.

Toughen up men. Just suck it up and take it. You don't need to voice your opinion when you see something you think is unfair. You're a man. Be a man. Be tough.

Just suck it up, you crybaby.

You realize that by taking my point that what this gue has written in this thread makes him come off as someone with a fetish for victimization and write what you do, you're actually doing the same thing, right?  Making it seem like everything is about you and that you're the "real victim" here?

He's not talking about inequality, he's taking a joke and making himself a martyr.  Thing is, the joke should only be offensive to "MRA douche-bloggers".  Are you one?  If not, why be offended?  Are you suggesting there are no such people?  Every group has assholes.  If you don't realize that, you haven't been on Fark long enough.


Are you talking about feminist assholes? I am honestly lost and only half way paying attention to what is going on here.

Can we get the legal representative of the Feminist and the legal representative of the MRA in this thread please. I don't really know what is going on.
2014-06-11 06:02:10 PM
1 votes:
I am going to step in here and see if I understand things going on in this thread. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

A feminist is seen as a crybaby.

An MRA is seen as wearing a trilby, who might also be a crybaby.
2014-06-11 05:53:03 PM
1 votes:

freewill: gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.

This. There was nothing wrong with his answer, although I can understand how it could be misunderstood.

He said the kid shouldn't get his father arrested, but that he should tell mom that his father's actions are terrifying him and that she needs to get help for him, because this is serious and he could kill easily her. He's absolutely right that the kid should not be the one calling the police, because next thing you do, dad could be killing that kid, and it's a farked up decision for a kid to have to make anyway. This is squarely grownup territory.

/ Although the kid should call the cops if a supportive conversation with mom won't get her to wake the fark up.


Except, there IS something wrong with his answer.  He's telling the kid that instead of calling the police he should leave it up to his mom.  All the while, he's learning this type of behavior from his father, and if it is allowed to go on unpunished, will likely model that same behavior as an adult.

You shouldn't WANT to get your dad arrested, unless he's a giant farkwad.  A giant farkwad like the kind of guy who threatens another person with a freaking gun.  If dad's first inclination during an argument is to get a gun and threaten people with it; the only help he needs is a visit from the police.  Eventually dad's gonna have too much to drink and fire off a round, then the kid has to live with that the rest of his life.

Robertson's answer was wrong.
2014-06-11 05:44:09 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

I don't understand why the Raw Story, about a year or two ago, decided to fire reporters and hire political bloggers with no journalism experience and claim they did reporting and then adopt Newsmax principles of journalism.

But um, Raw Story is no longer a credible source of journalism.
2014-06-11 05:41:01 PM
1 votes:

timujin: And this is why you come off as a pants wetter, the headline attributes a pro-violence statement as something that a MRA douche-blogger would write.  Are you arguing that there aren't any people who would fall into such a group?


My guess is that politeness and subtlety is not your strong suite.

I'm saying that unreasonably discrediting any discussion of men's rights is part of an overall pattern which itself is an issue concerning men's rights. If I wrote something similar about feminists, I'm more than certain that tears would be streaming down your cheeks and you would come here hurling pejoratives at the offender.

regornam: Pot, meet kettle. Self-awareness is clearly not your strength, crybaby.


And clarity is not your strength. I have no idea what you are talking about.
2014-06-11 05:38:47 PM
1 votes:

Aigoo: Geoff Peterson: strongly feel there's likely a context issue here.

Yeah, this.

I am not saying that Robertson isn't a Grade-A derp machine. He is. But I find myself wondering if maybe this wasn't taken out of context to make his normally idiotic statements sound overwhelmingly egregious instead of just blatantly stupid.


A misleading article that took something completely out of context on RawStory?

f1208.hizliresim.com
2014-06-11 05:33:37 PM
1 votes:
A thread with gun issues and gender equality issues. This could be epic, it's already chalk full of doucebags.
2014-06-11 05:32:08 PM
1 votes:

Duke_leto_Atredes: //love watching the women's movement.


4.bp.blogspot.com


I've actually read quite a bit of Womynist literature.
2014-06-11 05:31:02 PM
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: There was an MRA joke in the headline

MRA BEACON ACTIVATED

ALL MRAS REPORT TO THREAD TO DEFEND THE MOST HELPLESS AMONGST US - MEN


I can show you some genuinely nutty, misandrist feminists, but to paint all feminists as such would be wrong and bigoted, and people would be perfectly justified to call it out as such.

So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group, then excuse it with a Rush Limbaugh-esque "It's just a joke! Lighten up, guy!"?
2014-06-11 05:28:08 PM
1 votes:
When did Pat Robertson become Dear Abby?
2014-06-11 05:24:26 PM
1 votes:
If you threw every married person that threatend to murder their spouse in jail all married people would be locked up.
2014-06-11 05:22:08 PM
1 votes:
I could have sworn that was a Chief Wiggum quote.
2014-06-11 03:42:40 PM
1 votes:
The fact that Pat is still alive to be able to share his beliefs is proof God does exist...and he's a dick.
2014-06-11 03:25:30 PM
1 votes:
Exactly. It's not the cops' problem until there's a crime scene to clean up.
 
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