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(The Raw Story)   "If a husband threatens to murder his wife with a gun, that's her problem, not the cops'." Was this from: A) Elliot Rodger's manifesto B) some MRA douche-blogger or C) "Reverend" Pat Robertson   (rawstory.com) divider line 306
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2014-06-11 05:33:37 PM  
A thread with gun issues and gender equality issues. This could be epic, it's already chalk full of doucebags.
 
2014-06-11 05:34:40 PM  
I love this bit.
/nsfw
Link
 
2014-06-11 05:34:46 PM  

aagrajag: So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group


Because their group is a joke?

Kidding!

Sort of!
 
2014-06-11 05:35:12 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Here's a picture of the submitter:

[thepigmancometh.com image 200x266]

Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

They also have been known to pull fire alarms to prevent anyone from discussing gender equality.


I, for one, appreciate the fact that your post reflects the random capitalization evident in your username. I like that kind of consistency in a troll.
 
2014-06-11 05:35:48 PM  
No comment yet on how this is obviously a fake letter?  No child would write "As a child,..."  This is probably the abused wife writing from the child's perspective because she's so farked in the head that that's the only way to confront what's happening to her.

/oh yeah, dropping in a sexist "honey" or "sweets" into your comment just makes you look sad.
 
2014-06-11 05:37:04 PM  

gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.


Except he didn't mean it that way, and you know it as well as I do
 
2014-06-11 05:37:09 PM  

CruJones: Raise your hand if you actually read the article and found out Pat said nothing of the sort


Exactly.

Pat Robertson didn't say anything like what the fark headline said.  In fact, everything he said was completely reasonable.
 
2014-06-11 05:38:09 PM  
So according to Pat, who should have called the cops at the Copacabana?
 
2014-06-11 05:38:35 PM  

Relatively Obscure: D) No one?


QFT. Good jerb with the troll headline though subby
 
2014-06-11 05:38:47 PM  

Aigoo: Geoff Peterson: strongly feel there's likely a context issue here.

Yeah, this.

I am not saying that Robertson isn't a Grade-A derp machine. He is. But I find myself wondering if maybe this wasn't taken out of context to make his normally idiotic statements sound overwhelmingly egregious instead of just blatantly stupid.


A misleading article that took something completely out of context on RawStory?

f1208.hizliresim.com
 
2014-06-11 05:39:52 PM  

gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.


This. There was nothing wrong with his answer, although I can understand how it could be misunderstood.

He said the kid shouldn't get his father arrested, but that he should tell mom that his father's actions are terrifying him and that she needs to get help for him, because this is serious and he could kill easily her. He's absolutely right that the kid should not be the one calling the police, because next thing you do, dad could be killing that kid, and it's a farked up decision for a kid to have to make anyway. This is squarely grownup territory.

/ Although the kid should call the cops if a supportive conversation with mom won't get her to wake the fark up.
 
2014-06-11 05:40:14 PM  
D)  Don't call the police on a family member unless you hate them.
 
2014-06-11 05:41:01 PM  

timujin: And this is why you come off as a pants wetter, the headline attributes a pro-violence statement as something that a MRA douche-blogger would write.  Are you arguing that there aren't any people who would fall into such a group?


My guess is that politeness and subtlety is not your strong suite.

I'm saying that unreasonably discrediting any discussion of men's rights is part of an overall pattern which itself is an issue concerning men's rights. If I wrote something similar about feminists, I'm more than certain that tears would be streaming down your cheeks and you would come here hurling pejoratives at the offender.

regornam: Pot, meet kettle. Self-awareness is clearly not your strength, crybaby.


And clarity is not your strength. I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2014-06-11 05:42:02 PM  

jst3p: A thread with gun issues and gender equality issues. This could be epic, it's already chalk full of doucebags.


Chalk? And this is the second time in as many days that I've seen someone use "doucebags".
 
2014-06-11 05:42:25 PM  

freewill: gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.

This. There was nothing wrong with his answer, although I can understand how it could be misunderstood.

He said the kid shouldn't get his father arrested, but that he should tell mom that his father's actions are terrifying him and that she needs to get help for him, because this is serious and he could kill easily her. He's absolutely right that the kid should not be the one calling the police, because next thing you do, dad could be killing that kid, and it's a farked up decision for a kid to have to make anyway. This is squarely grownup territory.

/ Although the kid should call the cops if a supportive conversation with mom won't get her to wake the fark up.


And the part subby put in quotes wasnt in my article, can we make up quotes now?

/off my lawn
 
2014-06-11 05:42:32 PM  

freewill: / Although the kid should call the cops if a supportive conversation with mom won't get her to wake the fark up.


Yup. This.
 
2014-06-11 05:42:51 PM  

Cataholic: Aigoo: Geoff Peterson: strongly feel there's likely a context issue here.

Yeah, this.

I am not saying that Robertson isn't a Grade-A derp machine. He is. But I find myself wondering if maybe this wasn't taken out of context to make his normally idiotic statements sound overwhelmingly egregious instead of just blatantly stupid.

A misleading article that took something completely out of context on RawStory?

[f1208.hizliresim.com image 500x500]


Didn't RTFA, did you?
 
2014-06-11 05:43:46 PM  

CruJones: Raise your hand if you actually read the article and found out Pat said nothing of the sort


I read it, and it's in the ballpark at least. God help me, I'm actually about to defend that cretin, but his advice wasn't terrible. Tell your mom it scares you, and ask her to get help. But the whole "you don't want to get your father busted" thing -- if he's threatening your mother with a gun, why shouldn't he get busted? I kinda think there's nothing whatsoever wrong with telling the kid to call the cops. Or telling him to confide in a teacher or some other adult than his mother RIGHT AWAY since she doesn't seem to care much about her husband pulling a gun on her in front of their kids.
 
2014-06-11 05:44:09 PM  
i.imgur.com

I don't understand why the Raw Story, about a year or two ago, decided to fire reporters and hire political bloggers with no journalism experience and claim they did reporting and then adopt Newsmax principles of journalism.

But um, Raw Story is no longer a credible source of journalism.
 
2014-06-11 05:45:38 PM  
"I have to say it in your presence, sir, I think that the title reverend is something people should be more concerned to live down than live up."  - Christopher Hitchens
 
2014-06-11 05:46:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: timujin: And this is why you come off as a pants wetter, the headline attributes a pro-violence statement as something that a MRA douche-blogger would write.  Are you arguing that there aren't any people who would fall into such a group?

My guess is that politeness and subtlety is not your strong suite.

I'm saying that unreasonably discrediting any discussion of men's rights is part of an overall pattern which itself is an issue concerning men's rights. If I wrote something similar about feminists, I'm more than certain that tears would be streaming down your cheeks and you would come here hurling pejoratives at the offender.

regornam: Pot, meet kettle. Self-awareness is clearly not your strength, crybaby.

And clarity is not your strength. I have no idea what you are talking about.


As you have written something similar about feminists in this very thread, I have not resorted to tears, I just think you come off like an ass.  If you're trying to defend or otherwise support the MRA movement, you've failed.  If you're trying to make those who support it seem like victimized crybabies, you've succeeded.
 
2014-06-11 05:47:02 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Theaetetus: Because People in power are Stupid: Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality.

Example one: Make False claims about what Men's Rights are about.

...he says, making false claims about what feminists are about...

/hypocrisy is nothing new to MRAs

Headline falsely attributes a pro-violence statement as something that MRA's would write.


And whether true or not, that's entirely irrelevant to your hypocrisy, but thanks for playing.
 
2014-06-11 05:49:16 PM  

jst3p: A thread with gun issues and gender equality issues. This could be epic, it's already chalk full of doucebags.


Nice of you to show up.

/you left that open.
 
2014-06-11 05:49:23 PM  
The only thing that will stop a bad daddy with a gun from shooting mommy is a good "new" daddy with a gun.

/Well, a gun and a better job
//Actually, a gun, a better job and a 9" penis
///and it wouldn't suck if his house had a pool
 
2014-06-11 05:51:47 PM  

Theaetetus: your hypocrisy,


Feel free to elaborate.

timujin: As you have written something similar about feminists in this very thread, I have not resorted to tears, I just think you come off like an ass.  If you're trying to defend or otherwise support the MRA movement, you've failed.  If you're trying to make those who support it seem like victimized crybabies, you've succeeded.


Ironic that your own expressed belief in feminism doesn't seem to move me towards your position either. I wonder if a fark thread is truly the right forum for such evangelism.
 
2014-06-11 05:52:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-11 05:53:03 PM  

freewill: gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.

This. There was nothing wrong with his answer, although I can understand how it could be misunderstood.

He said the kid shouldn't get his father arrested, but that he should tell mom that his father's actions are terrifying him and that she needs to get help for him, because this is serious and he could kill easily her. He's absolutely right that the kid should not be the one calling the police, because next thing you do, dad could be killing that kid, and it's a farked up decision for a kid to have to make anyway. This is squarely grownup territory.

/ Although the kid should call the cops if a supportive conversation with mom won't get her to wake the fark up.


Except, there IS something wrong with his answer.  He's telling the kid that instead of calling the police he should leave it up to his mom.  All the while, he's learning this type of behavior from his father, and if it is allowed to go on unpunished, will likely model that same behavior as an adult.

You shouldn't WANT to get your dad arrested, unless he's a giant farkwad.  A giant farkwad like the kind of guy who threatens another person with a freaking gun.  If dad's first inclination during an argument is to get a gun and threaten people with it; the only help he needs is a visit from the police.  Eventually dad's gonna have too much to drink and fire off a round, then the kid has to live with that the rest of his life.

Robertson's answer was wrong.
 
2014-06-11 05:53:20 PM  
That is one troll-tastic headline, subby. What Robertson actually said was "don't rat your dad out to the cops, kiddies; go to mom first." I'm pretty much OK with that.

But then you made fun of those MRA nancies, so you're back on my good side.

thepunkeffect.com
 
2014-06-11 05:53:29 PM  

someonelse: But the whole "you don't want to get your father busted" thing -- if he's threatening your mother with a gun, why shouldn't he get busted? I kinda think there's nothing whatsoever wrong with telling the kid to call the cops.


In some models, telling a child that a parent is evil or that they should betray that parent is considered de facto child abuse. Having dad arrested, even if he deserves it, is an extremely farked up thing that can traumatize the kid for a long time. (Though not as much as mom getting shot because he didn't.) Think about how hard kids struggle with perceptions that they caused their parents to split up and how hard that is, even when there is no truth to it.

More than that, dad's a violent lunatic with anger management problems. This is a child. The kid gets involved, he's liable to end up stuffed into his own backpack and buried in the woods somewhere. Adults have resources to protect themselves that children do not, and telling him to do something that could get him beaten to death would be wildly irresponsible.

Mom is the adult. She needs to be mature enough to realize that she and her kids are in mortal danger from a nutjob and make the decision to have dad taken away in handcuffs. The kid doesn't need to be responsible for that. On the other hand, if mom had her act together, she'd have likely already taken care of it, so it's, uh, tricky.
 
2014-06-11 05:54:12 PM  

freewill: gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.

This. There was nothing wrong with his answer, although I can understand how it could be misunderstood.

He said the kid shouldn't get his father arrested, but that he should tell mom that his father's actions are terrifying him and that she needs to get help for him, because this is serious and he could kill easily her. He's absolutely right that the kid should not be the one calling the police, because next thing you do, dad could be killing that kid, and it's a farked up decision for a kid to have to make anyway. This is squarely grownup territory.

/ Although the kid should call the cops if a supportive conversation with mom won't get her to wake the fark up.


I guess perhaps he could talk to his mom first but honestly if she isn't already in a place where she can tell her husband not to routinely brandish a gun at her, I doubt a heart to heart with her son is going to get her there.

Chances are, even though the son sees her reaction to the gun as "calm"  she's probably very afraid and trying not to escalate the conflict.

I think calling the cops or telling a teacher who can contact a social worker is the right answer.  "You don't want to get your dad busted"....uh yeah I do.  Preferably before someone's brains are on the wall.
 
2014-06-11 05:54:25 PM  

aagrajag: Dusk-You-n-Me: There was an MRA joke in the headline

MRA BEACON ACTIVATED

ALL MRAS REPORT TO THREAD TO DEFEND THE MOST HELPLESS AMONGST US - MEN

I can show you some genuinely nutty, misandrist feminists, but to paint all feminists as such would be wrong and bigoted, and people would be perfectly justified to call it out as such.

So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group, then excuse it with a Rush Limbaugh-esque "It's just a joke! Lighten up, guy!"?


1. Most of the feminists I know haven't been the all out war type, every MRA person I've met has lived up to it.

2. One group is actually fighting against social injustice and for equality, the other is fighting against perceived slights and women getting to be treated as equals.
 
2014-06-11 05:54:34 PM  

timujin: If you're trying to make those who support it seem like victimized crybabies, you've succeeded.


That's right. Talking about any inequality you face makes you sound like a victimized, whiny crybaby.

Toughen up men. Just suck it up and take it. You don't need to voice your opinion when you see something you think is unfair. You're a man. Be a man. Be tough.

Just suck it up, you crybaby.
 
2014-06-11 05:56:07 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: I_Am_Weasel: The fact that Pat is still alive to be able to share his beliefs is proof God does exist...and he's a dick.

Hell doesn't want Pat Robertson.


Even the kittens will refuse to eat him.
 
2014-06-11 05:56:47 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: The only thing that will stop a bad daddy with a gun from shooting mommy is a good "new" daddy with a gun.

/Well, a gun and a better job
//Actually, a gun, a better job and a 9" penis
///and it wouldn't suck if his house had a pool


You're good at this.
 
2014-06-11 05:57:18 PM  

gamergirl23: Not to defend this douche, but he said it's something the mother should deal with, not the children, and that something needed to be done about the father, at least implying that the mother should be the one to call the cops.


Yeah, you know what? It's OK for the kid to call the cops, especially if the father is threatening the mother at that time. Jesus, to listen to you and Pat, the kid should step up in the middle of the altercation to give Mommy the phone so that SHE can dial 911.

Also, you haven't known people who end up in destructive co-dependent relationships, have you?
 
2014-06-11 05:58:18 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: You shouldn't WANT to get your dad arrested, unless he's a giant farkwad.  A giant farkwad like the kind of guy who threatens another person with a freaking gun.  If dad's first inclination during an argument is to get a gun and threaten people with it; the only help he needs is a visit from the police.  Eventually dad's gonna have too much to drink and fire off a round, then the kid has to live with that the rest of his life.


I don't disagree with any of this. I just disagree with the wisdom and even the humanity of instructing a child to take on an adult's role opposing their own parent in a violent, potentially life-threatening situation, especially if they haven't already communicated with the mother, who may be sufficiently under his thumb that she'll side with him against the child.

Yes, he will learn the wrong behavior if it goes unpunished, but Robertson said the same thing you just did: dad will eventually kill mom if this isn't stopped, so it has to stop. He just says that the child is not the one in the position to take this on.
 
2014-06-11 05:58:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Theaetetus: your hypocrisy,

Feel free to elaborate.

timujin: As you have written something similar about feminists in this very thread, I have not resorted to tears, I just think you come off like an ass.  If you're trying to defend or otherwise support the MRA movement, you've failed.  If you're trying to make those who support it seem like victimized crybabies, you've succeeded.

Ironic that your own expressed belief in feminism doesn't seem to move me towards your position either. I wonder if a fark thread is truly the right forum for such evangelism.


Scroll up, find anywhere I've expressed a belief in feminism.  From the start I have only pointed out that your apparent need for victimization isn't warranted by the headline.
 
2014-06-11 05:58:52 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Theaetetus: your hypocrisy,

Feel free to elaborate.


You replied to my post earlier, so I know you read it. What about it do you find confusing?

Let me try again, though, really slow and using as few polysyllabic words as possible so that you can understand:

You make false claims about what feminists are about: "Feminists think they have a monopoly on discussions about gender inequality."
You then whine that feminists "make false claims about what Men's Rights are about".
You're whining about the same thing you did one sentence earlier.
That's hypocritical, regardless of whether Subby's headline is false.
Therefore, you're a hypocrite.
 
2014-06-11 05:58:55 PM  
So that's what happened when I was 5. I spent 30 years blaming myself because I didn't do "something" when my mother's boyfriend beat her to death. I finally realized that there was nothing I could have done. Now I have to feel guilty all over again because I didn't bring her the phone so that she could call the police on her own.

Thanks, Pat.
 
2014-06-11 05:59:00 PM  

Elegy: [i.imgur.com image 501x1500]


Some women have been mean to me in the past. I got over it.
 
2014-06-11 05:59:38 PM  

tiamet4: I think calling the cops or telling a teacher who can contact a social worker is the right answer.  "You don't want to get your dad busted"....uh yeah I do.  Preferably before someone's brains are on the wall.


Like I said, if talking to mom doesn't get it done, then I agree completely.

This is a grownup job first, though.
 
2014-06-11 06:01:19 PM  

Mikey1969: So that's what happened when I was 5. I spent 30 years blaming myself because I didn't do "something" when my mother's boyfriend beat her to death. I finally realized that there was nothing I could have done. Now I have to feel guilty all over again because I didn't bring her the phone so that she could call the police on her own.

Thanks, Pat.


Well, you sure sucked all the fun out of this thread.

/ Sorry.
// Seriously.
 
2014-06-11 06:01:36 PM  
Jeebus H. Christ, what an asshat...
 
2014-06-11 06:02:10 PM  
I am going to step in here and see if I understand things going on in this thread. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

A feminist is seen as a crybaby.

An MRA is seen as wearing a trilby, who might also be a crybaby.
 
2014-06-11 06:02:56 PM  

Mikey1969: So that's what happened when I was 5. I spent 30 years blaming myself because I didn't do "something" when my mother's boyfriend beat her to death. I finally realized that there was nothing I could have done. Now I have to feel guilty all over again because I didn't bring her the phone so that she could call the police on her own.

Thanks, Pat.


She really should have made him that turkey pot pie.
 
2014-06-11 06:03:51 PM  

Mikey1969: So that's what happened when I was 5. I spent 30 years blaming myself because I didn't do "something" when my mother's boyfriend beat her to death. I finally realized that there was nothing I could have done. Now I have to feel guilty all over again because I didn't bring her the phone so that she could call the police on her own.

Thanks, Pat.


weknowmemes.com
 
2014-06-11 06:03:54 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: aagrajag: Dusk-You-n-Me: There was an MRA joke in the headline

MRA BEACON ACTIVATED

ALL MRAS REPORT TO THREAD TO DEFEND THE MOST HELPLESS AMONGST US - MEN

I can show you some genuinely nutty, misandrist feminists, but to paint all feminists as such would be wrong and bigoted, and people would be perfectly justified to call it out as such.

So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group, then excuse it with a Rush Limbaugh-esque "It's just a joke! Lighten up, guy!"?

1. Most of the feminists I know haven't been the all out war type, every MRA person I've met has lived up to it.

2. One group is actually fighting against social injustice and for equality, the other is fighting against perceived slights and women getting to be treated as equals.


Seriously, this is like saying "why don't you treat the NAACP and the Klan as equals?" *** Feminists actually had a completely farked-up society to fix in the 1960s (and their success is why most women don't bother to label their modern, quite feminist beliefs as feminism any more). The Men's Rights movement exists for whiney losers to complain about non-existent oppression by feminists.

/ ***Yes, I'm aware there are farkers who say exactly that. They're a slightly different species of troll.
 
2014-06-11 06:04:28 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Duke_leto_Atredes: //love watching the women's movement.




I've actually read quite a bit of Womynist literature.


More of a leg man, to many boltons out there.
 
2014-06-11 06:05:37 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: aagrajag: Dusk-You-n-Me: There was an MRA joke in the headline

MRA BEACON ACTIVATED

ALL MRAS REPORT TO THREAD TO DEFEND THE MOST HELPLESS AMONGST US - MEN

I can show you some genuinely nutty, misandrist feminists, but to paint all feminists as such would be wrong and bigoted, and people would be perfectly justified to call it out as such.

So why is it acceptable to denigrate the advocates of the other group, then excuse it with a Rush Limbaugh-esque "It's just a joke! Lighten up, guy!"?

1. Most of the feminists I know haven't been the all out war type, every MRA person I've met has lived up to it.

2. One group is actually fighting against social injustice and for equality, the other is fighting against perceived slights and women getting to be treated as equals.


To be fair, I've met a few that are either entirely on the 'custodial father' issue, or if you talk to them about that seem perfectly reasonable.  It's just 50/50 90/10 any time the topic of women comes up in any other context whether the reasonable seeming human being you're talking to will suddenly and vitirolically turn out to be an MRA.

I have a kid.  Don't raise it.  I'm fine with getting shafted.  I consider it an 18 year stupidity tax.  but I sympathize with guys who actually would like custody.  Out of everything, that seems to be the only issue EVER mentioned by any of them that has any reality to it.  Everything else EVER deserves little more than scorn and the 'help help we're being oppressed' graphic.
 
2014-06-11 06:06:36 PM  

Empty H: I am going to step in here and see if I understand things going on in this thread. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

A feminist is seen as a crybaby.

An MRA is seen as wearing a trilby, who might also be a crybaby.


Not quite.

Feminists are crazy biatches that don't want equal rights, they want more than equal rights as evidenced by the name "feminist".

MRA's are indeed crybabies who often subscribe to this magazine:

img.fark.net
 
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