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(Gawker)   Sgt Bowe Bergdahl, who was first a missing American hero, then AWOL, then a peaceful man trying help Afghans who got caught, then a traitorous deserter Muslim, is now a Randian objectivist who was mentally unfit to serve in the first place   (gawker.com) divider line 198
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2014-06-11 06:46:18 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


Ok you're okay with not prosecuting deserters how awesome a position this is.
 
2014-06-11 07:06:13 PM  

Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.


I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.
 
2014-06-11 07:07:35 PM  
up-ship.com
 
2014-06-11 07:11:22 PM  

MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.


Well your second hand anecdote has me convinced.
 
2014-06-11 07:14:05 PM  

MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  derp

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.


Seems legit.
 
2014-06-11 07:14:53 PM  
i lost my phone looking for berghdal
 
2014-06-11 07:18:01 PM  

dittybopper: Irving Maimway: This is what even the right wing fellow veteran friends of mine don't get. We always have tried to get our POWs back. For John McCain to come out and decry this, when he was freed as part of a prisoner exchange laid out in farking writing in the Paris Peace Accord, is the height of either hypocrisy or being a pure douchenozzle. Or in his case maybe both at the same time.

There is a difference between the two:  McCain was shot down by the enemy in combat over enemy territory, and subsequently captured.

As near was we can tell with Bergdahl, so far (and this is subject to change), he simply walked off post and started wandering around the Afghan countryside, asking people if they spoke any English.  We don't know his motivation for that yet.

Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.  And if any one of us is in a position to judge, McCain is, having been there.

Don't mistake this as support for that position, however:  I'm just pointing out the problem with your argument.


But for completeness sake you should also mention how after the aircraft carrier McCain was stationed on caught fire and several crew members were killed, John McCain bravely left the ship with a bunch of reporters instead of staying on board.
 
2014-06-11 07:20:17 PM  

MFAWG: I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.


lulz
 
2014-06-11 07:21:11 PM  

dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing


You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.
 
2014-06-11 07:23:40 PM  

fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.


I guess we'll have to go back to how we negotiated with the Nazis in WWII and that'll reset the entire thread.

But of course they had a standing army. Oh *snap.*
 
2014-06-11 07:24:20 PM  

Giltric: If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?


Why would the prison keep them? If they don't belong there, the prison isn't going to want them. Actually, I would imagine breaking into a prison is actually a crime (can't have people breaking in and delivering drugs or weapons to the inmates), so they'd probably get 'rescued' (arrested) by the police. After being tried, they might end up in prison anyway.

Did you have a point?
 
2014-06-11 07:25:26 PM  

SphericalTime: Uh, well, this seems like it's based on more evidence than any other theory I've seen so far.


That's easy enough, considering most theories have been based on zero evidence or less.
 
2014-06-11 07:31:27 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


You were in the service. On the same evidence--your squad mates telling stories after the fact--would you agree that leaving YOU there would have been the "least bad" option? Not with the benefit of distance and hindsight, but having been in the military and knowing that soldiers can turn on their own for any reason--would you be okay with it?
 
2014-06-11 07:35:50 PM  

MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.


Thank you, Simone.
 
2014-06-11 07:45:38 PM  

fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.


Close enough.
 
2014-06-11 07:47:20 PM  

sendtodave: fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.

Close enough.


Horseshoes and hand grenades. Sounds like hardliner policy.
 
2014-06-11 07:51:08 PM  
All I know is it could have been much worse for Obama. Imagine if FOXNews found out he hadn't tried to rescue the guy...
 
2014-06-11 07:52:10 PM  

whidbey: sendtodave: fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.

Close enough.

Horseshoes and hand grenades. Sounds like hardliner policy.


They're brown, and don't follow Jesus. Do I have to spell it out?
 
2014-06-11 07:58:07 PM  

skyotter: MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.

Thank you, Simone.


No problem whatsoever. But acting like that didn't happen is not helping.
 
2014-06-11 08:03:41 PM  

fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.


They're scary brown fellows with beards. Who cares what they're classified as?
 
2014-06-11 08:23:25 PM  
Well that's no shock. This is why you wait until details come out before you scream how somebody is a traitor and needs to die.

Part of me thinks when Bergdahl has his say and more details come out republicans will go from "Impeach Obama for freeing this traitor." to "Obama didn't rescue our guy. It was a team of brave American heroes who rescued him. Obama had nothing to do with it."
 
2014-06-11 08:46:21 PM  

AutumnWind: Well that's no shock. This is why you wait until details come out before you scream how somebody is a traitor and needs to die.

Part of me thinks when Bergdahl has his say and more details come out republicans will go from "Impeach Obama for freeing this traitor." to "Obama didn't rescue our guy. It was a team of brave American heroes who rescued him. Obama had nothing to do with it."


"In fact, Obama wanted to just GIVE the Taliban their supergenius leaders back, and a group of Brave Patriots rescued Bergdahl on their own!"
 
2014-06-11 09:05:43 PM  
Conservatives sure do seem to like the idea of honoring soldiers in a very general sense, but when the rubber meets the road they are all party-over-honor and will throw any soldier under a bus, then back over him twice.
 
2014-06-11 09:14:23 PM  
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Begdahl pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2014-06-11 09:45:03 PM  
I hope Congress' medical insurance covers severe whiplash:

On June 27 [2009], he sent an e-mail to his friends titled "Who is John Galt?," a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged," about individualism in a dystopian America.
"I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand ..." Bergdahl wrote. "This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising."


What could possibly have happened in 2009 to the country and military of the United States that would make a Randian throw a fit and ragequit?
Might it be the same event that has other Randian-types in the federal government upset?

/"We must support our soldiers! Bring him home!"
//"You brought him home, Obama? But..he's a DESERTER and we hate him!"
///"Oh...maybe he deserted because he hates Obama, too? PATRIOT! Why did you wait so long to bring him back, Obama?!?!?"
////"And quit eating those dang crackers like you own the place!..."
 
2014-06-11 09:56:48 PM  

AutumnWind: Well that's no shock. This is why you wait until details come out before you scream how somebody is a traitor and needs to die.

Part of me thinks when Bergdahl has his say and more details come out republicans will go from "Impeach Obama for freeing this traitor." to "Obama didn't rescue our guy. It was a team of brave American heroes who rescued him. Obama had nothing to do with it."


Yeah I think once he talks about what happened the whole story is going to change. There is just too much weird shiat surrounding the he walked off story. First of all if he walked off why would he leave his gun and body armor? If you are going to leave a base that is in the middle of a war zone why would you leave the only way you have to defend yourself? Then there are the statements from his squad mates about him. They come off less of trying to explain what happened or why it may have happened and more of them justifying why they disliked him. Then there is the last conversation they said he had with his squad leader about could he leave the base with his sensitive equipment, that conversation just didn't make since.

Maybe the guy was disturbed and had a moment and did the dumbest thing he could do in a war zone, and maybe something else happened that everybody is trying to cover for now. We won't know until he talks. And i think one of the reasons why so many Right Wing talking heads are doing so much to find  him guilty in the media is that they are also afraid that there is something else going on and don't want to have to face it.
 
2014-06-11 09:57:58 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.

Ok you're okay with not prosecuting deserters how awesome a position this is.


Typical chickenhawk bullshiat. Did you ever serve? Then who the hell do you think you are to pass judgment? Your opinion in this matter means as much as Dick Cheney's. Not worth a popcorn fart.
 
2014-06-11 11:01:32 PM  

timujin: Rapmaster2000: I don't care about his words or actions. The important thing is his father's Talibeard.

You're working with outdated information, it's a Duck Dynabeard.


And that makes all the difference.  It matters which book you thump on while hating on Feelthy Queers, Dirty Jezebels and Godless Heathens.
 
2014-06-11 11:03:08 PM  

Epicanis: I hope Congress' medical insurance covers severe whiplash:


Congresscritters have to get their health insurance from the exchanges.
 
2014-06-11 11:10:57 PM  

loonatic112358: Odd, I thought going galt was hiding with a bunch of self centered idiots in the colorado mountains


It also involves a perpetual motion machine and rape. Lots and lots of rape.
 
2014-06-11 11:14:17 PM  

LucklessWonder: Triple Oak: LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


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Do you have the original of that picture?

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Never. Gets. Old.

/My favorite meme


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2014-06-11 11:19:38 PM  

edmo: All I know is it could have been much worse for Obama. Imagine if FOXNews found out he hadn't tried to rescue the guy...


Obama should have learned long ago that the TeaTards like people who talk in tough but ultimately empty platitudes, but absolutely refuse to ever express any concrete policies or actions of any kind.

If he had loudly and boldly said ev "no-one will be left behind", and then just left him there, the Republican Tea Party would practically forget he wasn't one of them.
 
2014-06-11 11:38:51 PM  

clemarchives.files.wordpress.com

"Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision."


/Explains the whole leaving behind his weapon and NVGs thing.
 
2014-06-11 11:49:07 PM  

factoryconnection: All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.


You sanity and reasonable viewpoints fill me with the rage borne of a thousand suns.

// Has anyone looked this up?  Are there precedents wherein we turned our backs on one or more soldiers captured in a time of war and still living, because some loud mouthed cretins didn't like their fathers' grooming habits?  This is despicable, and I'm ashamed that these evil people hold so much sway in our country.
 
2014-06-12 12:00:14 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: [clemarchives.files.wordpress.com image 480x360]"Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision."
/Explains the whole leaving behind his weapon and NVGs thing.


Only if the guy takes everything as concrete and doesn't understand symbolism.
 
2014-06-12 12:12:49 AM  
Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/afghanistan-village-massacr e_ n_2331491.html

Nothing was proven against him yet either, so should we have traded five high ranking Taliban war criminals (yes, they were) for him and had POTUS stage a big time rose garden announcement with the parents?

I believe it's fair to say that there are some who may have to be left behind depending on the circumstances.

The President made a colossally stupid move with the whole Rose Garden speech with the parents regarding a deserter who had a fairly lengthy and controversial paper trail. How they didn't see this controversy coming is impossible to understand and makes me wonder why they invited this fight?
 
2014-06-12 12:35:14 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?


If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.  No, not even that guy would have been left behind.  Had he been captured we would have demanded his return to put him on trial.
 
2014-06-12 12:44:10 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/afghanistan-village-massacr e_ n_2331491.html

Nothing was proven against him yet either, so should we have traded five high ranking Taliban war criminals (yes, they were) for him and had POTUS stage a big time rose garden announcement with the parents?

I believe it's fair to say that there are some who may have to be left behind depending on the circumstances.


Bullshiat .

The President made a colossally stupid move with the whole Rose Garden speech with the parents regarding a deserter who had a fairly lengthy and controversial paper trail. How they didn't see this controversy coming is impossible to understand and makes me wonder why they invited this fight?

They did see it coming. They knew that you and a bunch of other social conservatives were going to talk shiat and try to call the shots as to what should have "really" happened. And that 's exactly what you're doing.
 
2014-06-12 12:56:39 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Nothing was proven against him yet either


Also you're wrong.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military-july-dec13-bales_08-23/

He was sentenced to life in prison.  If you do a Google search conservatives see this guy as a hero.  Go figure.
 
2014-06-12 12:56:47 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?


We try to get our guys back.  WTF is confusing to you about this?
 
2014-06-12 01:00:32 AM  
Really, at this point, if you're still taking the Republican Party position on this, you are a farking tool.

The Obama administration is sending a strong message that the war in Afghanistan is bullshiat, and we need to get out of there.

You're welcome to keep kissing hardliner ass by talking more shiat on this.

It's settled as far as reality is concerned.
 
2014-06-12 03:04:12 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: deserter


There's that word again. AWOL != Desertion.
 
2014-06-12 03:49:21 AM  

Irving Maimway: factoryconnection: All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.

This is what even the right wing fellow veteran friends of mine don't get. We always have tried to get our POWs back. For John McCain to come out and decry this, when he was freed as part of a prisoner exchange laid out in farking writing in the Paris Peace Accord, is the height of either hypocrisy or being a pure douchenozzle. Or in his case maybe both at the same time.


Being a modern Republican.
Obama is playing them like a bugle.  He's just managed to make the Republicans prove that they put politics first, and to decry beards.
 
2014-06-12 06:31:46 AM  

dittybopper: we traded a single Private First Class for five upper management types.


Upper management?

Mid level beuracrats who after, what 5 or 8 years we couldn't bring a single charge against?
 
2014-06-12 06:55:01 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Nothing was proven against him yet either, so should we have traded five high ranking Taliban war criminals (yes, they were) for him and had POTUS stage a big time rose garden announcement with the parents?


How long have we had them, and what charges have we brought?
 
2014-06-12 08:30:22 AM  
Being a Randian is pretty much diagnostic for being crazy.

Of course, it's also diagnostic for being so stupid you have a brain disorder, which I guess is kind of crazy
 
2014-06-12 09:51:09 AM  

Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.


They can't help it. Dittoheads are called that for a reason.
 
2014-06-12 12:25:58 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: is now a Randian objectivist

This means it's okay that he deserted and got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.


Bless your heart.
 
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