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(Gawker)   Sgt Bowe Bergdahl, who was first a missing American hero, then AWOL, then a peaceful man trying help Afghans who got caught, then a traitorous deserter Muslim, is now a Randian objectivist who was mentally unfit to serve in the first place   (gawker.com) divider line 198
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2014-06-11 04:44:42 PM  
Senator McCain, how much blood and money has Pvc Bergfart cost us in crashed airplanes and aircraft carriers set on fire for yucks?

Oh, wait, that was some other American hero. Nevermind.
 
Bf+
2014-06-11 04:44:54 PM  

Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee



bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-11 04:46:14 PM  

factoryconnection: All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.


Not much more needs to be said.
 
2014-06-11 04:47:55 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Clintoot

Clintoot

 Clintoot Clintoot

Clintoot


Tee hee!
 
2014-06-11 04:48:37 PM  

Cyclometh: IlGreven: If they had any brains, they'd be CPTs, not PFCs.

In my experience, the CPTs and LTs were actually worse. Most of the enlisted guys were just young punks who hadn't really thought about anything seriously enough to have formed a cogent philosophy- but some had. The officers were far less likely to have done any self-examination. The older ones- who'd lasted a while and had some perspective, sure. Met a few really smart majors and colonels. But younger officers were just as bad as the rank and file.

I thought I was going to get court-martialed (well, not really but the guy was REALLY pissed) when I explained to the super-fundy Christian lieutenant, after having been harangued about God for most of a morning, about how I didn't understand how he could reconcile his religious belief in a peaceful and loving God who loved all people with the fact that he was in an organization of murderers.

I was afraid his head was going to pop when I pointed out that everything we did was done with the goal of being more efficient killers. We weren't in the business of peace, we were in the business of death, and we were VERY good at it. Training day in and day out to jump out of airplanes in any conditions, anywhere in the world, in 18 hours or less, loaded to kill anything we see. We were trained, efficient, and ruthless killers. We were paid, housed, fed and clothed in order to make sure we were always in peak murdering form.

He had never even thought about it.


The God of the Old Testament would think you were a bunch of pansies because you left the women and children alive.

/Blood for the blood god
 
2014-06-11 04:49:18 PM  
Sounds like he's got a future as a conservative politician
 
2014-06-11 04:49:40 PM  

Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]


Do you have the original of that picture?
 
2014-06-11 04:49:53 PM  

kxs401: Yeah, sorry, I refuse to engage in any of this "Real American" bullsh*t. No Americans are "realer" than other Americans and therefore more deserving of services and aid from our government. The very idea that some people think this is appalling.


But we've been assured for years that the 19% of our population that lives outside of urban areas are the only ones who count! The rest of us 81% shouldn't get a say at all.
 
2014-06-11 04:50:55 PM  
I don't give a shiat what he is.  His dad has a goddamn beard so we should stone the lot of them.
 
2014-06-11 04:51:25 PM  

GhostFish: The details are irrelevant to whether or not he should be brought home.

You can't abandon a soldier and citizen to die in enemy hands based on nothing but allegations and without giving him a trial and a chance to defend himself.

If you can recover him by trading five individuals who can't/won't be brought to trial, so be it.


The frightening and disgusting revelation from this whole ordeal is that many on the Right seem passionate about the United States punishing people indefinitely, illegally, and without trial. They think that about Berhdahl, and they think that about the captives in Guantanamo.

That behavior is farking shameful.


Even if they had something that was more than allegations, we can't abandon our soldiers. Like others have said, bring him home and let him stand trial, if that's what it takes. Just bring him home. I can't believe some of these people...
 
2014-06-11 04:52:24 PM  

Cyclometh: IlGreven: If they had any brains, they'd be CPTs, not PFCs.

In my experience, the CPTs and LTs were actually worse. Most of the enlisted guys were just young punks who hadn't really thought about anything seriously enough to have formed a cogent philosophy- but some had. The officers were far less likely to have done any self-examination. The older ones- who'd lasted a while and had some perspective, sure. Met a few really smart majors and colonels. But younger officers were just as bad as the rank and file.

I thought I was going to get court-martialed (well, not really but the guy was REALLY pissed) when I explained to the super-fundy Christian lieutenant, after having been harangued about God for most of a morning, about how I didn't understand how he could reconcile his religious belief in a peaceful and loving God who loved all people with the fact that he was in an organization of murderers.

I was afraid his head was going to pop when I pointed out that everything we did was done with the goal of being more efficient killers. We weren't in the business of peace, we were in the business of death, and we were VERY good at it. Training day in and day out to jump out of airplanes in any conditions, anywhere in the world, in 18 hours or less, loaded to kill anything we see. We were trained, efficient, and ruthless killers. We were paid, housed, fed and clothed in order to make sure we were always in peak murdering form.

He had never even thought about it.


That's hard core.


\rimshot
 
m00
2014-06-11 04:53:00 PM  
Maybe he was on a secret mission to deliberately get captured and infiltrate the Taliban...

Do I think that's what happened? No. But my point is who the hell knows. It's not us, and certainly not anyone on FOX or MSNBC or Sarah Palin, etc, etc. The military will get to the bottom of it, and maybe we'll get to know and maybe we won't depending on national security implications. Its fine for farkers to speculate, but I swear major networks that endlessly speculate and call it NEWS should have their licenses pulled by the FCC. If you want to be able to fall back on "hey, we don't have to be accurate we're not news we're entertainment" go get a show on comedy central.
 
2014-06-11 04:53:46 PM  
Traitor. Nutjob. Hippy.

I'm beginning to think that this guy might actually just be unimaginably stupid.
 
2014-06-11 04:53:47 PM  
the one silver lining of the diarrhea tornado of outrage is that it's kind of entertaining to watch the right wing farkwits who think obama should be impeached for killing al awlaki argue that we should have sentenced a uniformed member of the armed forces in absentia to rot/die because the guy's dad had weird facial hair
 
2014-06-11 04:58:51 PM  

dittybopper: I'm withholding judgement, because I think there is too much that we really don't know at this point about the events of the day that he was captured, and what he was thinking at the time.


But does the wisdom of the trade depend at all on Bergdahl's status and what he may or may not have done?

To me it does not.  I don't think you give up any more for a hero than you do for a traitor; bringing absolutely everyone home by any means possible should be a given.
 
2014-06-11 05:00:34 PM  

theknuckler_33: Who farking cares. He's an American being held by the Taliban. He needed to be brought home. I'm glad the trade was made. Now WE can deal with him one way or another.


And since they're no longer at Gitmo, we can Predator Drone the five guys we let go as soon as they step out of line. It's a win / win.
 
2014-06-11 05:05:41 PM  
time will tell...
but i think they brought him back to break him and send him to gitmo.

sort of like how they take critically wounded suspects to hospitals... just so they can send them to prison.
 
2014-06-11 05:06:38 PM  
Dude gets back from a 6 year stay in hell and is welcomed backwith weeks of wall to coverage about what an asshole he is for no readily apparent reason.

fark everyone who participated in this. I hope you all get bone cancer.
 
2014-06-11 05:07:51 PM  
This is clearly Obama's racism showing by putting white men below blacks.

A black man is worth 2/5 of a person, whereas this deal clearly shows Obama thinks a white man is worth only 1/5.
 
2014-06-11 05:09:39 PM  

brandent: whidbey: No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.

Where do you get your information?  The war paid for itself.  If not then why don't I see it in any talks about budgets in congress?  There's no way they just went and spent that off the general ledger without serious debate.  You expect me to believe that?


You might Google the cost of the various operations. Not sure if serious.
 
2014-06-11 05:10:24 PM  

Ned Stark: Dude gets back from a 6 year stay in hell and is welcomed backwith weeks of wall to coverage about what an asshole he is for no readily apparent reason. because he had the gall to be rescued by the wrong team.


FTFY.
 
2014-06-11 05:11:16 PM  

Ned Stark: Dude gets back from a 6 year stay in hell and is welcomed backwith weeks of wall to coverage about what an asshole he is for no readily apparent reason.

fark everyone who participated in this. I hope you all get bone cancer.

 
2014-06-11 05:11:43 PM  

Dog Welder: we can Predator Drone the five guys


In-N-Out fan?
 
2014-06-11 05:13:24 PM  

Saners: This is clearly Obama's racism showing by putting white men below blacks.

A black man is worth 2/5 of a person, whereas this deal clearly shows Fartbama thinks a white man is worth only 1/5.


So, does that make Fartbama 3/10 of a person?

FTFFarts
 
2014-06-11 05:13:27 PM  

Dog Welder: theknuckler_33: Who farking cares. He's an American being held by the Taliban. He needed to be brought home. I'm glad the trade was made. Now WE can deal with him one way or another.

And since they're no longer at Gitmo, we can Predator Drone the five guys we let go as soon as they step out of line. It's a win / win.


Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

$100 says all five were chipped before their release.
 
2014-06-11 05:15:06 PM  
If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?
 
2014-06-11 05:17:08 PM  

Giltric: If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?


No, since he's going to be the one doing the rescuing.
renegadecinema.com
 
2014-06-11 05:20:54 PM  

Saners: A black man is worth 2/5 of a person,


hey racist, a black man is worth 3/5ths of a person.
 
2014-06-11 05:24:16 PM  
We never leave a soldier behind badmouth Ayn Rand
 
2014-06-11 05:26:34 PM  

"Amazing! It doesn't matter what color the gel is, when I look at Bergdahl through it, he's shaded that exact color! I mean, wow!"

 
2014-06-11 05:27:09 PM  

Giltric: If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?


The law would pretty much dictate that they have to.
 
2014-06-11 05:34:15 PM  
Odd, I thought going galt was hiding with a bunch of self centered idiots in the colorado mountains
 
2014-06-11 05:37:33 PM  

dittybopper:
TIMELINE: 0430z BLACKFOOT TOC REPORTS SOLDIER IS MISSING
...
UPDATE: 1012z GUARDRAIL REPORTS PICKED UP LLVI TRAFFIC AT GRID VB 6597 3366 THAT STATES (UIM INDICATES THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IS TALKING AND IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH. INDICATES AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS CAMERA)

So he goes missing sometime before 0430 Zulu time, and at 1012 Zulu a Guardrail aircraft reports "low level voice intercept" traffic about an American soldier who is walking around with a camera and looking for someone who speaks English.


That could just as well mean that the Unidentified Male (UIM?) is looking for someone who speaks English, so he can understand what the American soldier is talking about, but it's hard to tell without punctuation.
 
2014-06-11 05:37:58 PM  
Can't we just go with "asshole" and leave it at that?
 
2014-06-11 05:40:10 PM  

LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]

Do you have the original of that picture?


snarkerati.com
 
2014-06-11 05:43:52 PM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: Doesn't change the fact that the exchange was a good thing.

That of course remains to be seen.


In the face of historical obstructionism, including the closing of Gitmo, Obama managed to reduce the amount of prisoners being held without charges, from other presidents, and get an American soldier back.

This is not a question anymore. If you question at all the return of an American soldier to American hands, you're wrong. It's only being debated because Obama.

/oh yeah, remember when Bush released over 500 of these same types of prisoners (not leaders, unless you like "leader of accounting" as a title) for nothing? Or the fact that most if not all of those prisoners will be released when we're done in Afghanistan?
 
2014-06-11 05:49:53 PM  

Triple Oak: oh yeah, remember when Bush released over 500 of these same types of prisoners (not leaders, unless you like "leader of accounting" as a title) for nothing? Or the fact that most if not all of those prisoners will be released when we're done in Afghanistan?


Impossible. There is no way Bergdazi is politically motivated.
 
2014-06-11 05:57:16 PM  

whidbey: brandent: whidbey: No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.

Where do you get your information?  The war paid for itself.  If not then why don't I see it in any talks about budgets in congress?  There's no way they just went and spent that off the general ledger without serious debate.  You expect me to believe that?

You might Google the cost of the various operations. Not sure if serious.


Good sarcasm resembles trolling.
 
2014-06-11 06:00:02 PM  

brandent: whidbey: brandent: whidbey: No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.

Where do you get your information?  The war paid for itself.  If not then why don't I see it in any talks about budgets in congress?  There's no way they just went and spent that off the general ledger without serious debate.  You expect me to believe that?

You might Google the cost of the various operations. Not sure if serious.

Good sarcasm resembles trolling.


Yes it does. A little too good. ;-p

Also I was wrong. It's more like 6 trillion. :\
 
2014-06-11 06:08:43 PM  

whidbey: Triple Oak: oh yeah, remember when Bush released over 500 of these same types of prisoners (not leaders, unless you like "leader of accounting" as a title) for nothing? Or the fact that most if not all of those prisoners will be released when we're done in Afghanistan?

Impossible. There is no way Bergdazi is politically motivated.


Well it's not Berggate now is it?
 
2014-06-11 06:13:35 PM  

Triple Oak: LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]

Do you have the original of that picture?

[snarkerati.com image 300x375]


Never. Gets. Old.

/My favorite meme
 
2014-06-11 06:20:32 PM  
So wait, Rand isn't the shining light of Conservative ideology anymore? 

I am so confused.
 
2014-06-11 06:21:06 PM  

Headso: Saners: A black man is worth 2/5 of a person,

hey racist, a black man is worth 3/5ths of a person.


Not under Fartbama's ruined economy.
 
2014-06-11 06:25:49 PM  
Remember when we drone struck that American turned Al Qaeda supporter and pretty much every R said that was the worst thing since Hitler? They said we should have gone in and arrested that man and put him up for trial instead of just killing him.

The same people are saying that we shouldn't have done a prisoner swap even if it means we can bring him home and put him on trial if he had done some kind of wrong doing. They would have rather have him stay in jail. 

These people make my head spin faster than a spectator at a tennis match.
 
2014-06-11 06:33:43 PM  
is now a Randian objectivist

This means it's okay that he deserted and got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.
 
2014-06-11 06:34:14 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


Screw that...bring hi m home, regardless of his outside the wire circumstances.

Who the hell are you to judge, especially with partial information.

You Bring them home.
 
2014-06-11 06:37:44 PM  

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.

Screw that...bring hi m home, regardless of his outside the wire circumstances.

Who the hell are you to judge, especially with partial information.

You Bring them home.


Well then it wouldn't be an impersonal game of Risk using real people's lives now, would it?
 
2014-06-11 06:39:24 PM  

Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.


Stop vomiting this debunked lie.
 
2014-06-11 06:40:43 PM  

LucklessWonder: Triple Oak: LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]

Do you have the original of that picture?

[snarkerati.com image 300x375]

Never. Gets. Old.

/My favorite meme


This. Giggle.
 
2014-06-11 06:43:02 PM  

Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.


Dude, between him, giltric and SunsetLament, they have DEFINED the word troll. Pay them no mind - they've been paid too much already. They offer nothing.
 
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