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(Gawker)   Sgt Bowe Bergdahl, who was first a missing American hero, then AWOL, then a peaceful man trying help Afghans who got caught, then a traitorous deserter Muslim, is now a Randian objectivist who was mentally unfit to serve in the first place   (gawker.com) divider line 198
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2014-06-11 12:36:30 PM  
Uh, well, this seems like it's based on more evidence than any other theory I've seen so far.
 
2014-06-11 12:39:17 PM  
I don't care about his words or actions. The important thing is his father's Talibeard.
 
2014-06-11 12:43:19 PM  
All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.
 
2014-06-11 12:44:15 PM  
"According to Coast Guard records, Bergdahl left the service with an "uncharacterized discharge" after 26 days of basic training in early 2006."

Not the first guy to have that happen to them in the service, won't be the last. Hopefully some penicillin was able to help.
 
2014-06-11 12:49:06 PM  
I heard that Bergdahl once burped and didn't say "excuse me."
 
2014-06-11 12:50:26 PM  
"No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet
 
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2014-06-11 12:54:39 PM  
Randian objectivist who was mentally unfit to serve in the first place

I think those are prefect qualifications for cannon fodder.
 
2014-06-11 01:03:30 PM  
Farking afghans...

www.knittingpark.com
 
2014-06-11 01:06:09 PM  
Who the fark cares? Bring him back and try him if the facts warrant.
 
2014-06-11 01:07:02 PM  
That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.
 
2014-06-11 01:10:49 PM  
I swear his middle name must be "Rorschach".
 
2014-06-11 01:15:14 PM  

21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet


Didn't her son only go into the Army under the "Enlist or Go to Jail" option?

/Yes, I know that that no longer "officially" happens.
 
2014-06-11 01:15:54 PM  

SphericalTime: Uh, well, this seems like it's based on more evidence than any other theory I've seen so far.


We need to create an app game.

It gives you a beard only and you have to match it with the face of either Ted Nugent, Duck Dynasty cast memeber or a terrorist
 
2014-06-11 01:21:01 PM  

dittybopper: I swear his middle name must be "Rorschach".


Ooo! Ooo! Mr. Kotter, Mr. Kot-

Oh, sorry. I read that wrong.
 
2014-06-11 01:23:02 PM  

Sgt Otter: 21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet

Didn't her son only go into the Army under the "Enlist or Go to Jail" option?

/Yes, I know that that no longer "officially" happens.


Cite? Never heard that.
 
2014-06-11 01:23:58 PM  

Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.


Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!
 
2014-06-11 01:25:41 PM  
Yeah, sorry, I refuse to engage in any of this "Real American" bullsh*t. No Americans are "realer" than other Americans and therefore more deserving of services and aid from our government. The very idea that some people think this is appalling.
 
2014-06-11 01:28:27 PM  
Seeing as how this is based on stuff that he actually allegedly wrote, it would seem a bit more credible. But Rand may not have been his only influence, and he's still unable to make any statements or respond to critics, so perhaps its still best to leave him the hell alone until he's out of the farking hospital. Doesn't change the fact that the exchange was a good thing.
 
2014-06-11 01:28:53 PM  
No wonder the GOP didn't want us to bring him home.
 
2014-06-11 01:30:40 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Who the fark cares? Bring him back and try him if the facts warrant.


Its a terrible book, but you still can't prosecute someone for reading  Atlas Shrugged.
 
2014-06-11 01:31:02 PM  

Somacandra: Seeing as how this is based on stuff that he actually allegedly wrote, it would seem a bit more credible.


That, and the fact that he wrote the Ayn Rand email just THREE DAYS before he left. It gives us insight into his frame of mind right before he disappeared, and his frame of mind was "Fark this shiat. Atlas Shrugged, biatches. I'm looking out for #1 from now on."
 
2014-06-11 01:31:55 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!


Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.
 
2014-06-11 01:35:10 PM  

Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.


BeardBergfartghazigate!
 
2014-06-11 01:41:06 PM  

Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.


Bergfart abondoned his post at Fartghazi to join the Talifart. Fartbama.
 
2014-06-11 01:42:10 PM  

Somacandra: Doesn't change the fact that the exchange was a good thing.


That of course remains to be seen.

I'm withholding judgement, because I think there is too much that we really don't know at this point about the events of the day that he was captured, and what he was thinking at the time.

Also, it could be looked at from different angles.  From a perspective of "we never leave our own, even deserters", then it's a good thing.  From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing, especially since we traded a single Private First Class for five upper management types.

But like I said, I really do think the jury is out on this one still.

*Stupid statement to make.  Of course we negotiate with terrorists, when it suits us.  We just like to pretend that we don't.  But if you make the statement, you have to follow through 100% or you look bad.
 
2014-06-11 01:48:18 PM  
I'm confused. This guy's dad has a beard that makes him look like a terrorist. But it also makes him look like he should be on Duck Dynasty. I don't know if I'm supposed to praise this guy as a hero, or piss my pants.
 
2014-06-11 01:49:46 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Sgt Otter: 21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet

Didn't her son only go into the Army under the "Enlist or Go to Jail" option?

/Yes, I know that that no longer "officially" happens.

Cite? Never heard that.


There was an incident of vandalism in the Wasilla school district, where the brake lines of a bunch of school buses were cut, as a "prank."  IIRC, there was four teens arrested.  Three 18 year old seniors, and one unnamed 17 year old minor.  The three seniors were Track's best friends and hockey teammates, and they were basically a joined-at-the-hip deal, so it widely assumed he was the "unnamed minor."  The damage was in the tens of thousands, so it wasn't waved off as "boys will be boys," even when your mom is the Governor.

I remember hearing about it around the election from a few Alaska farkers who said it was the worst kept secret in town.  I did some googling, and it only pops up on loony left-wing blogs.  Take it with a large grain of salt.
 
2014-06-11 01:54:35 PM  

Sgt Otter: 21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet

Didn't her son only go into the Army under the "Enlist or Go to Jail" option?

/Yes, I know that that no longer "officially" happens.


there was a rumor that he had vandalized a bunch of buses in 2005, but never verified afaik.
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2014-06-11 01:57:16 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I'm confused. This guy's dad has a beard that makes him look like a terrorist. But it also makes him look like he should be on Duck Dynasty. I don't know if I'm supposed to praise this guy as a hero, or piss my pants.


blog.chewxy.com
 
2014-06-11 01:58:15 PM  

factoryconnection: All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.


This is what even the right wing fellow veteran friends of mine don't get. We always have tried to get our POWs back. For John McCain to come out and decry this, when he was freed as part of a prisoner exchange laid out in farking writing in the Paris Peace Accord, is the height of either hypocrisy or being a pure douchenozzle. Or in his case maybe both at the same time.
 
2014-06-11 02:03:23 PM  

Sgt Otter: Three Crooked Squirrels: Sgt Otter: 21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet

Didn't her son only go into the Army under the "Enlist or Go to Jail" option?

/Yes, I know that that no longer "officially" happens.

Cite? Never heard that.

There was an incident of vandalism in the Wasilla school district, where the brake lines of a bunch of school buses were cut, as a "prank."  IIRC, there was four teens arrested.  Three 18 year old seniors, and one unnamed 17 year old minor.  The three seniors were Track's best friends and hockey teammates, and they were basically a joined-at-the-hip deal, so it widely assumed he was the "unnamed minor."  The damage was in the tens of thousands, so it wasn't waved off as "boys will be boys," even when your mom is the Governor.

I remember hearing about it around the election from a few Alaska farkers who said it was the worst kept secret in town.  I did some googling, and it only pops up on loony left-wing blogs.  Take it with a large grain of salt.


Thanks!
 
2014-06-11 02:06:01 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't care about his words or actions. The important thing is his father's Talibeard.


You're working with outdated information, it's a Duck Dynabeard.
 
2014-06-11 02:08:24 PM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: Doesn't change the fact that the exchange was a good thing.

That of course remains to be seen.


No, it doesn't.  The exchange was good.

I'm withholding judgement, because I think there is too much that we really don't know at this point about the events of the day that he was captured, and what he was thinking at the time.

^^At that is why^^

Without making the exchange, we would never know.  If you want answers to those questions, the exchange is necessary.
 
2014-06-11 02:10:40 PM  

Irving Maimway: This is what even the right wing fellow veteran friends of mine don't get. We always have tried to get our POWs back. For John McCain to come out and decry this, when he was freed as part of a prisoner exchange laid out in farking writing in the Paris Peace Accord, is the height of either hypocrisy or being a pure douchenozzle. Or in his case maybe both at the same time.


There is a difference between the two:  McCain was shot down by the enemy in combat over enemy territory, and subsequently captured.

As near was we can tell with Bergdahl, so far (and this is subject to change), he simply walked off post and started wandering around the Afghan countryside, asking people if they spoke any English.  We don't know his motivation for that yet.

Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.  And if any one of us is in a position to judge, McCain is, having been there.

Don't mistake this as support for that position, however:  I'm just pointing out the problem with your argument.
 
2014-06-11 02:13:41 PM  

dittybopper: And if any one of us is in a position to judge, McCain is, having been there.


Except that McCain supposedly OK'd the deal a couple of years ago when this was first set in motion, after speaking with then-Senator John Kerry. After the deal was done, he went two-faced and started the public outrage act.
 
2014-06-11 02:16:19 PM  

dittybopper: Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.


If we don't yet know enough to state the facts regarding the loss/capture of Bergfart, then by definition we do not know enough to tell whether there is a fundamental difference.
 
2014-06-11 02:20:15 PM  

dittybopper: There is a difference between the two:


No, they were both American POWs. Until they return home and answer for their actions before and during captivity, there is no difference between any POWs.
 
2014-06-11 02:25:39 PM  
For those that really dig into the right-wing sphere, and I guess the left-wing sphere as well... is there a perception that "the left" is hailing Bowe Bergdahl as a bona-fide hero or something?  I've not seen that.  That Obama had a Rose Garden speech with the Bergdahl parents has more to do with us getting our last POW back, but I didn't even hear that address so maybe accolades were issued that I've not heard of.

Because I'm not supporting getting Bergdahl back because he was or is a hero; I'm supporting getting him back because that's what we should do.
 
2014-06-11 02:33:54 PM  
Drink?
 
2014-06-11 02:38:39 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Without making the exchange, we would never know.  If you want answers to those questions, the exchange is necessary.


That's not necessarily true.  Just because *WE* don't know, that doesn't mean that the information isn't out there.  I'm sure the NSA has been vacuuming up every communication it possibly could relating to Bergdahl.  We got to see some summaries of that sort of thing in the Wikileaks document about his capture, but that almost certainly isn't the sum total.

Plus, we don't know what the initial military investigation found.  Often it's best to interview people immediately after the events in question.  We don't know if he left a note or not.

That's all stuff that "we", meaning the Farkers discussing it here and now, don't know, but that's not necessarily stuff that "We", in the context of the United States, don't know.

But in the end, your argument sounds suspiciously like "we have to pass it to find out what's in it".  Maybe it was a good deal.  Maybe it wasn't.  But if you're going to ask me to buy a pig in a poke, you have to have some pretty compelling evidence that it's a Wilbur-level of porcine pulchritude.

Right now, neither you nor I have that.
 
2014-06-11 02:40:12 PM  

factoryconnection: is there a perception that "the left" is hailing Bowe Bergdahl as a bona-fide hero or something?


It certainly looks that way. But remember, this is a political ideology that views being "neutral" as the diametric opposite of its own positions. For example, being secular - government neutrality on and non-involvement in religious matters - is to them anti-religion. So if you challenge any aspect of their narrative, whether a fact or an opinion, then you are de facto taking the diametrically opposed opinion.

Bergdahl hasn't been proven to be a deserter? Oh, well, then I guess you think he's a hero! These Taliban guys weren't hardcore, inveterate killers, but politicians or bureaucrats who may have been involved in decision-making that led to people being killed? Oh, well then I guess you'd be happy to hang out with them in Qatar for a few weeks!
 
2014-06-11 02:45:35 PM  

Somacandra: dittybopper: Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.

If we don't yet know enough to state the facts regarding the loss/capture of Bergfart, then by definition we do not know enough to tell whether there is a fundamental difference.


Sure we do.  We do know one walked away from his post and spent at a minimum at least 5 hours, and quite likely more, wandering around the Afghan countryside.

TIMELINE: 0430z BLACKFOOT TOC REPORTS SOLDIER IS MISSING
...
UPDATE: 1012z GUARDRAIL REPORTS PICKED UP LLVI TRAFFIC AT GRID VB 6597 3366 THAT STATES (UIM INDICATES THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IS TALKING AND IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH. INDICATES AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS CAMERA)


So he goes missing sometime before 0430 Zulu time, and at 1012 Zulu a Guardrail aircraft reports "low level voice intercept" traffic about an American soldier who is walking around with a camera and looking for someone who speaks English.

This is a Guardrail RC-12 aircraft:

dev.defense-update.com

It's specifically designed to intercept communications at a tactical level.  I have friends that have flown them (including missions in Iraq and Afghanistan).
 
2014-06-11 02:48:45 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: Without making the exchange, we would never know.  If you want answers to those questions, the exchange is necessary.

That's not necessarily true.  Just because *WE* don't know, that doesn't mean that the information isn't out there.  I'm sure the NSA has been vacuuming up every communication it possibly could relating to Bergdahl.  We got to see some summaries of that sort of thing in the Wikileaks document about his capture, but that almost certainly isn't the sum total.

Plus, we don't know what the initial military investigation found.  Often it's best to interview people immediately after the events in question.  We don't know if he left a note or not.

That's all stuff that "we", meaning the Farkers discussing it here and now, don't know, but that's not necessarily stuff that "We", in the context of the United States, don't know.

But in the end, your argument sounds suspiciously like "we have to pass it to find out what's in it".  Maybe it was a good deal.  Maybe it wasn't.  But if you're going to ask me to buy a pig in a poke, you have to have some pretty compelling evidence that it's a Wilbur-level of porcine pulchritude.

Right now, neither you nor I have that.


I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"
 
2014-06-11 02:56:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"


And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.
 
2014-06-11 02:59:56 PM  

dittybopper: I'm withholding judgement, because I think there is too much that we really don't know at this point about the events of the day that he was captured, and what he was thinking at the time.


This implies that the he might not have been deserving of rescue, or that the cost of his freedom depends on his personality. Both of those things are things I would protest.

It's one thing to argue that the price was too high. We certainly would not have traded him for a nuclear weapon, and we absolutely would have traded him for a piece of Bazooka bubble gum, so where in the middle you draw the line is one of policy that is certainly debatable.

What I don't believe is debatable is whether the price is freedom should somehow be dependent on how deserving he is. Freedom from capture is not something one should deserve, it's something the government owes it's citizens. So whether the five prisoners for him was a worthwhile trade is arguable (I think yes), but it would be debatable regardless of who Bergdahl is, what his motivations were, or what happened that caused his capture. All of this claptrap about what he was thinking is, to my mind, completely irrelevant, and is just being used for people to justify being angry at Obama for something they would applaud from anyone else.
 
2014-06-11 03:11:15 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Farking afghans...

[www.knittingpark.com image 850x1275]


No thanks, they can get kinda scratchy. I prefer terrycloth, myself.
 
2014-06-11 03:13:35 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


Yes.  I understand that we disagree.
 
2014-06-11 03:14:56 PM  

nmrsnr: dittybopper: I'm withholding judgement, because I think there is too much that we really don't know at this point about the events of the day that he was captured, and what he was thinking at the time.

This implies that the he might not have been deserving of rescue, or that the cost of his freedom depends on his personality. Both of those things are things I would protest.

It's one thing to argue that the price was too high. We certainly would not have traded him for a nuclear weapon, and we absolutely would have traded him for a piece of Bazooka bubble gum, so where in the middle you draw the line is one of policy that is certainly debatable.

What I don't believe is debatable is whether the price is freedom should somehow be dependent on how deserving he is. Freedom from capture is not something one should deserve, it's something the government owes it's citizens. So whether the five prisoners for him was a worthwhile trade is arguable (I think yes), but it would be debatable regardless of who Bergdahl is, what his motivations were, or what happened that caused his capture. All of this claptrap about what he was thinking is, to my mind, completely irrelevant, and is just being used for people to justify being angry at Obama for something they would applaud from anyone else.


I think regeardless, getting him back was the right thing to do.

I also think that if there is substance to the charges we've been hearing in the press, that he deserves a court martial so he can get his due process. I think it's absolutely awful that he's getting this trial in the press because some people don't like Obama.
 
2014-06-11 03:29:00 PM  

SurfaceTension: nmrsnr: dittybopper: I'm withholding judgement, because I think there is too much that we really don't know at this point about the events of the day that he was captured, and what he was thinking at the time.

This implies that the he might not have been deserving of rescue, or that the cost of his freedom depends on his personality. Both of those things are things I would protest.

It's one thing to argue that the price was too high. We certainly would not have traded him for a nuclear weapon, and we absolutely would have traded him for a piece of Bazooka bubble gum, so where in the middle you draw the line is one of policy that is certainly debatable.

What I don't believe is debatable is whether the price is freedom should somehow be dependent on how deserving he is. Freedom from capture is not something one should deserve, it's something the government owes it's citizens. So whether the five prisoners for him was a worthwhile trade is arguable (I think yes), but it would be debatable regardless of who Bergdahl is, what his motivations were, or what happened that caused his capture. All of this claptrap about what he was thinking is, to my mind, completely irrelevant, and is just being used for people to justify being angry at Obama for something they would applaud from anyone else.

I think regeardless, getting him back was the right thing to do.

I also think that if there is substance to the charges we've been hearing in the press, that he deserves a court martial so he can get his due process. I think it's absolutely awful that he's getting this trial in the press because some people don't like Obama.


If for nothing else than respect for the family, you think they could chill the fark out.
 
2014-06-11 03:31:47 PM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: dittybopper: Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.

If we don't yet know enough to state the facts regarding the loss/capture of Bergfart, then by definition we do not know enough to tell whether there is a fundamental difference.

Sure we do.  We do know one walked away from his post and spent at a minimum at least 5 hours, and quite likely more, wandering around the Afghan countryside.

TIMELINE: 0430z BLACKFOOT TOC REPORTS SOLDIER IS MISSING
...
UPDATE: 1012z GUARDRAIL REPORTS PICKED UP LLVI TRAFFIC AT GRID VB 6597 3366 THAT STATES (UIM INDICATES THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IS TALKING AND IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH. INDICATES AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS CAMERA)

So he goes missing sometime before 0430 Zulu time, and at 1012 Zulu a Guardrail aircraft reports "low level voice intercept" traffic about an American soldier who is walking around with a camera and looking for someone who speaks English.

This is a Guardrail RC-12 aircraft:

[dev.defense-update.com image 520x347]

It's specifically designed to intercept communications at a tactical level.  I have friends that have flown them (including missions in Iraq and Afghanistan).


From that statement where do you get that he is walking around free?
 
2014-06-11 03:32:23 PM  

SurfaceTension: I also think that if there is substance to the charges we've been hearing in the press, that he deserves a court martial so he can get his due process. I think it's absolutely awful that he's getting this trial in the press because some people don't like Obama.


This I certainly agree 100% with.
 
2014-06-11 03:41:18 PM  

dittybopper: As near was we can tell with Bergdahl, so far (and this is subject to change), he simply walked off post and started wandering around the Afghan countryside, asking people if they spoke any English. We don't know his motivation for that yet.


From everything I heard, the bolded part above shouldn't be possible, that you can't just walk out of a base on a whim.
 
2014-06-11 04:04:31 PM  
If this story is spun anymore, you could take it to Vegas.
 
2014-06-11 04:08:07 PM  
What does the Army have against tattoos? Are they more of a Navy thing?
 
2014-06-11 04:09:06 PM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: dittybopper: Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.

If we don't yet know enough to state the facts regarding the loss/capture of Bergfart, then by definition we do not know enough to tell whether there is a fundamental difference.

Sure we do.  We do know one walked away from his post and spent at a minimum at least 5 hours, and quite likely more, wandering around the Afghan countryside.

TIMELINE: 0430z BLACKFOOT TOC REPORTS SOLDIER IS MISSING
...
UPDATE: 1012z GUARDRAIL REPORTS PICKED UP LLVI TRAFFIC AT GRID VB 6597 3366 THAT STATES (UIM INDICATES THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IS TALKING AND IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH. INDICATES AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS CAMERA)

So he goes missing sometime before 0430 Zulu time, and at 1012 Zulu a Guardrail aircraft reports "low level voice intercept" traffic about an American soldier who is walking around with a camera and looking for someone who speaks English.

This is a Guardrail RC-12 aircraft:

[dev.defense-update.com image 520x347]

It's specifically designed to intercept communications at a tactical level.  I have friends that have flown them (including missions in Iraq and Afghanistan).


Or it mean they've *captured* someone who is now asking to speak with someone who speaks english.

Why on earth is that not a possibility?
 
2014-06-11 04:10:35 PM  
I thought Republicans loved Ayn Rand?
 
2014-06-11 04:10:48 PM  

Wendy's Chili: What does the Army have against tattoos? Are they more of a Navy thing?


As true to the Navy as Rum, sodomy and lashes.
 
2014-06-11 04:11:10 PM  

21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet


Support Our Republican Troops
 
2014-06-11 04:11:55 PM  
A young man steeped in a culture of violence and power who goes into his society's military had pro-objectivist ideas? Well, stop the farking presses.

Jesus, you people are stupid. Seriously, dangerously, stupid. If you cashiered everyone in the modern military who had some weird/stupid political ideas or was easily swayed into one political philosophy or another, you wouldn't have a military.

I speak from personal experience as a combat veteran of the 82nd Airborne. Trust me, you really don't want to know what ideology some 19 year old kid from Outer farkhole, Arkansas thinks is the right one. They're not hired for their political savvy, they're farking soliders.

I could tell you some stories about what passes for political thinking in the rank and file.
 
2014-06-11 04:12:52 PM  
Leave Bergdahl alone!
 
2014-06-11 04:13:10 PM  

21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet


"Todd and I are praying for Private First Class Bowe Bergdahl, his family, and all of his fellow soldiers who are putting their lives on the line to defend our freedom and protect democracy abroad," Governor Palin said. "The capture of Private Bergdahl and the bombings in Jakarta prove that we have not defeated terrorism, and that radical extremists will stop at nothing to attack Westerners and our ideals."

Seems like it was her standard in 2009...
 
2014-06-11 04:13:44 PM  

dittybopper: I swear his middle name must be "Rorschach".


The streets are extended gutters, and the gutters are full of blood, and when the drains finally scab over? All the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists, and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"

And I'll look down and whisper: "Insha'Allah."
 
2014-06-11 04:14:49 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.



What facts could come out that could justify leaving him in captivity?  Remember that we now know he tried to escape twice.
 
2014-06-11 04:14:49 PM  
Sometimes I wish I could see into a parallel universe, just to see what the outrage would have been if the headlines were "The only confirmed POW, Sgt. Bergdahl, has been labeled a deserter, despite not having enough evidence to charge him for the last five years, and will be left in Afganistan as the military pulls out their forces."
 
2014-06-11 04:15:11 PM  

21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet


Because I really needed to hear what a woman who quit halfway through her job had to say about a deserter.
 
2014-06-11 04:15:18 PM  
I'm beginning to suspect that he might be a human being with flaws, some of which are serious.
 
2014-06-11 04:15:38 PM  

Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.


I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee
 
2014-06-11 04:16:28 PM  

Saners: Sometimes I wish I could see into a parallel universe, just to see what the outrage would have been if the headlines were "The only confirmed POW, Sgt. Bergdahl, has been labeled a deserter, despite not having enough evidence to charge him for the last five years, and will be left in Afganistan as the military pulls out their forces."


We were in that universe until he was released.
 
2014-06-11 04:16:56 PM  

Cyclometh: A young man steeped in a culture of violence and power who goes into his society's military had pro-objectivist ideas? Well, stop the farking presses.

Jesus, you people are stupid. Seriously, dangerously, stupid. If you cashiered everyone in the modern military who had some weird/stupid political ideas or was easily swayed into one political philosophy or another, you wouldn't have a military.

I speak from personal experience as a combat veteran of the 82nd Airborne. Trust me, you really don't want to know what ideology some 19 year old kid from Outer farkhole, Arkansas thinks is the right one. They're not hired for their political savvy, they're farking soliders.

I could tell you some stories about what passes for political thinking in the rank and file.


If they had any brains, they'd be CPTs, not PFCs.
 
2014-06-11 04:17:50 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I don't care about his words or actions. The important thing is his father's Talibeard.


A Talibeard that spews hateful Pashto and Arabic!

And is there any other kind of Pashto and Arabi? I don't think so!

/Now, ancient Sumerian?
/You asked me to enter the holy cloister,
The giparu,
and I went inside, I the high priestess
Enheduanna!
I carried the ritual basket and sang
Your praise.
Now I am banished among the lepers.
Even I cannot live with you.
Shadows approach the light of day, the light
Is darkened around me,
Shadows approach the daylight,
Covering the day with sandstorm.
My soft mouth of honey is suddenly confused.
My beautiful face is dust.
 
2014-06-11 04:19:02 PM  
An Army official told the Post that the service had been aware of his prior military record before he enlisted. As the paper notes, that sort of a discharge usually precludes future military service.


Yeah, but they lowered the bar waaaaaay down to the ground to get bodies over to Iraq and Afghanistan when they figured out that it wasn't going to be a "cakewalk". It really doesn't surprise me that something like this happens. The only surprise is that it didn't happen earlier.
 
2014-06-11 04:19:31 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: dittybopper: And if any one of us is in a position to judge, McCain is, having been there.

Except that McCain supposedly OK'd the deal a couple of years ago when this was first set in motion, after speaking with then-Senator John Kerry. After the deal was done, he went two-faced and started the public outrage act.


Isn't that how he does pretty much everything?
 
2014-06-11 04:20:17 PM  
He seems more like a Catcher in the Rye type. But I do not know him and will not judge him. I do hope he gets mental health treatment, if he needs it.
 
2014-06-11 04:20:27 PM  
I wish Bowe Bergdahl the best, but...

This story is making me laugh, and I feel bad.
 
2014-06-11 04:20:38 PM  

timujin: dittybopper: As near was we can tell with Bergdahl, so far (and this is subject to change), he simply walked off post and started wandering around the Afghan countryside, asking people if they spoke any English. We don't know his motivation for that yet.

From everything I heard, the bolded part above shouldn't be possible, that you can't just walk out of a base on a whim.


The base was a 'Small Footprint' base. The gates were guarded by the Afghanis. I'd imagine they don't question Americans walking out in the middle of the night very often.

But I think your overall point is still valid, and I'd really like to hear his immediate superiors excuses someday.
 
2014-06-11 04:22:02 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: I thought Republicans loved Ayn Rand?


If Bergdahl really was a Randian, he will be right wing hero in 48 hours.
 
2014-06-11 04:22:24 PM  
No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.
 
2014-06-11 04:23:22 PM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: dittybopper: Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.

If we don't yet know enough to state the facts regarding the loss/capture of Bergfart, then by definition we do not know enough to tell whether there is a fundamental difference.

Sure we do.  We do know one walked away from his post and spent at a minimum at least 5 hours, and quite likely more, wandering around the Afghan countryside.

TIMELINE: 0430z BLACKFOOT TOC REPORTS SOLDIER IS MISSING
...
UPDATE: 1012z GUARDRAIL REPORTS PICKED UP LLVI TRAFFIC AT GRID VB 6597 3366 THAT STATES (UIM INDICATES THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IS TALKING AND IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH. INDICATES AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS CAMERA)

So he goes missing sometime before 0430 Zulu time, and at 1012 Zulu a Guardrail aircraft reports "low level voice intercept" traffic about an American soldier who is walking around with a camera and looking for someone who speaks English.

This is a Guardrail RC-12 aircraft:

[dev.defense-update.com image 520x347]

It's specifically designed to intercept communications at a tactical level.  I have friends that have flown them (including missions in Iraq and Afghanistan).


Is that a cat detector plane? I've never seen so many bleedin' aerials...
 
2014-06-11 04:23:41 PM  

IlGreven: If they had any brains, they'd be CPTs, not PFCs.


In my experience, the CPTs and LTs were actually worse. Most of the enlisted guys were just young punks who hadn't really thought about anything seriously enough to have formed a cogent philosophy- but some had. The officers were far less likely to have done any self-examination. The older ones- who'd lasted a while and had some perspective, sure. Met a few really smart majors and colonels. But younger officers were just as bad as the rank and file.

I thought I was going to get court-martialed (well, not really but the guy was REALLY pissed) when I explained to the super-fundy Christian lieutenant, after having been harangued about God for most of a morning, about how I didn't understand how he could reconcile his religious belief in a peaceful and loving God who loved all people with the fact that he was in an organization of murderers.

I was afraid his head was going to pop when I pointed out that everything we did was done with the goal of being more efficient killers. We weren't in the business of peace, we were in the business of death, and we were VERY good at it. Training day in and day out to jump out of airplanes in any conditions, anywhere in the world, in 18 hours or less, loaded to kill anything we see. We were trained, efficient, and ruthless killers. We were paid, housed, fed and clothed in order to make sure we were always in peak murdering form.

He had never even thought about it.
 
2014-06-11 04:25:46 PM  

Mantour: Wendy's Chili: What does the Army have against tattoos? Are they more of a Navy thing?

As true to the Navy as Rum, sodomy and lashes.


Sigh.  I miss my youth.
 
2014-06-11 04:26:18 PM  

whidbey: No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.


Where do you get your information?  The war paid for itself.  If not then why don't I see it in any talks about budgets in congress?  There's no way they just went and spent that off the general ledger without serious debate.  You expect me to believe that?
 
2014-06-11 04:26:42 PM  

BSABSVR: Bith Set Me Up: I thought Republicans loved Ayn Rand?

If Bergdahl really was a Randian, he will be right wing hero in 48 hours.


Only because it will take that long to spin the facts so that Obama is somehow still at fault.
 
2014-06-11 04:27:00 PM  
Who farking cares. He's an American being held by the Taliban. He needed to be brought home. I'm glad the trade was made. Now WE can deal with him one way or another.
 
2014-06-11 04:28:37 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!


I just wanted to let you know - I have you farkied as "Out of the way Fartbongo! Time for Clintoot" and I specifically favorited you because of your befarting skills.
 
2014-06-11 04:30:05 PM  
It really sucks that he has obvious mental health issues.  Hard to say if it was due to combat stress, FUBAR goals in country, Catch-22 rules, being captured, threatened with death, solitary darkness for multiple days on end, or reading Ayn Rand that threw him off the page of the sane.
 
2014-06-11 04:33:02 PM  

hammettman: It really sucks that he has obvious mental health issues.  Hard to say if it was due to combat stress, FUBAR goals in country, Catch-22 rules, being captured, threatened with death, solitary darkness for multiple days on end, or reading Ayn Rand that threw him off the page of the sane.


I'm going with 'Fundy Parents'.
 
2014-06-11 04:33:23 PM  

Cyclometh: We weren't in the business of peace, we were in the business of death, and we were VERY good at it. Training day in and day out to jump out of airplanes in any conditions, anywhere in the world, in 18 hours or less, loaded to kill anything we see. We were trained, efficient, and ruthless killers. We were paid, housed, fed and clothed in order to make sure we were always in peak murdering form.


Somehow that's so much easier to see in retrospect when we've aged a bit huh?  But this man speaks truth.  We did what we did for 1 reason, to kill.  A lot.  Not for our own reasons.  How is this Sgt. any less of a man than I am?  I can assure you I had the same doubts that he did at one point.  I simply didn't have the physical opportunity he did.

My honorable discharge will stand, his is being questioned.  Why?
 
2014-06-11 04:35:05 PM  

lilbjorn: BSABSVR: Bith Set Me Up: I thought Republicans loved Ayn Rand?

If Bergdahl really was a Randian, he will be right wing hero in 48 hours.

Only because it will take that long to spin the facts so that Obama is somehow still at fault.


Obama had to get Bergdahl away from the Taliban (aka his ideological brethren) before Bergdahl taught them about objectivism and how Obama is a usurper
 
2014-06-11 04:36:04 PM  

21-7-b: "No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs - even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot - is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard."

Ms Palin, you really are the most giving person on the planet


She's a devout patriot just like her secessionist husband.
 
2014-06-11 04:37:21 PM  
The details are irrelevant to whether or not he should be brought home.

You can't abandon a soldier and citizen to die in enemy hands based on nothing but allegations and without giving him a trial and a chance to defend himself.

If you can recover him by trading five individuals who can't/won't be brought to trial, so be it.


The frightening and disgusting revelation from this whole ordeal is that many on the Right seem passionate about the United States punishing people indefinitely, illegally, and without trial. They think that about Berhdahl, and they think that about the captives in Guantanamo.

That behavior is farking shameful.
 
2014-06-11 04:38:01 PM  
If only he had read that other fantasy novel instead. You know, the one about orcs.
 
2014-06-11 04:38:13 PM  
I thought they had hung him already.
 
2014-06-11 04:38:25 PM  

rohar: Somehow that's so much easier to see in retrospect when we've aged a bit huh? But this man speaks truth. We did what we did for 1 reason, to kill. A lot. Not for our own reasons. How is this Sgt. any less of a man than I am? I can assure you I had the same doubts that he did at one point. I simply didn't have the physical opportunity he did.

My honorable discharge will stand, his is being questioned. Why?


Because it is a convenient vehicle for them to attack the president with.

Seriously. That's the only reason they care.
 
2014-06-11 04:40:26 PM  
The real story doesn't matter, we'll just write a new one for him!  Whatever it takes to make a reality that agrees with us!
 
2014-06-11 04:40:28 PM  

kronicfeld: I heard that Bergdahl once burped and didn't say "excuse me."


I heard he left the latrine with no TP in it and didn't resupply it.
 
Bf+
2014-06-11 04:40:57 PM  
Sooo... Row 6, Column 2?

img.fark.net

/Maybe our government shouldn't have interfered.
//So confused now...
 
2014-06-11 04:41:00 PM  

dittybopper: I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


No. Just...no.

We are better than that.
 
2014-06-11 04:42:09 PM  

Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


fartberg

fated to sink the titanobamic
 
2014-06-11 04:43:20 PM  

xKallisti: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

I just wanted to let you know - I have you farkied as "Out of the way Fartbongo! Time for Clintoot" and I specifically favorited you because of your befarting skills.


I'm honored good, sir.  It must have been this picture that inspired that one.

i595.photobucket.com

And let there be no question.  Hillapoot Clintoot and her rumbling colon of villainy will soon be upon us, percolating butt clouds to fire across the bows of liberty when we least expect it.  The revfartolution is coming!
 
2014-06-11 04:44:38 PM  
If Obama had a white son, he would look like Bergdahl.
 
2014-06-11 04:44:42 PM  
Senator McCain, how much blood and money has Pvc Bergfart cost us in crashed airplanes and aircraft carriers set on fire for yucks?

Oh, wait, that was some other American hero. Nevermind.
 
Bf+
2014-06-11 04:44:54 PM  

Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee



bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-11 04:46:14 PM  

factoryconnection: All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.


Not much more needs to be said.
 
2014-06-11 04:47:55 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Clintoot

Clintoot

 Clintoot Clintoot

Clintoot


Tee hee!
 
2014-06-11 04:48:37 PM  

Cyclometh: IlGreven: If they had any brains, they'd be CPTs, not PFCs.

In my experience, the CPTs and LTs were actually worse. Most of the enlisted guys were just young punks who hadn't really thought about anything seriously enough to have formed a cogent philosophy- but some had. The officers were far less likely to have done any self-examination. The older ones- who'd lasted a while and had some perspective, sure. Met a few really smart majors and colonels. But younger officers were just as bad as the rank and file.

I thought I was going to get court-martialed (well, not really but the guy was REALLY pissed) when I explained to the super-fundy Christian lieutenant, after having been harangued about God for most of a morning, about how I didn't understand how he could reconcile his religious belief in a peaceful and loving God who loved all people with the fact that he was in an organization of murderers.

I was afraid his head was going to pop when I pointed out that everything we did was done with the goal of being more efficient killers. We weren't in the business of peace, we were in the business of death, and we were VERY good at it. Training day in and day out to jump out of airplanes in any conditions, anywhere in the world, in 18 hours or less, loaded to kill anything we see. We were trained, efficient, and ruthless killers. We were paid, housed, fed and clothed in order to make sure we were always in peak murdering form.

He had never even thought about it.


The God of the Old Testament would think you were a bunch of pansies because you left the women and children alive.

/Blood for the blood god
 
2014-06-11 04:49:18 PM  
Sounds like he's got a future as a conservative politician
 
2014-06-11 04:49:40 PM  

Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]


Do you have the original of that picture?
 
2014-06-11 04:49:53 PM  

kxs401: Yeah, sorry, I refuse to engage in any of this "Real American" bullsh*t. No Americans are "realer" than other Americans and therefore more deserving of services and aid from our government. The very idea that some people think this is appalling.


But we've been assured for years that the 19% of our population that lives outside of urban areas are the only ones who count! The rest of us 81% shouldn't get a say at all.
 
2014-06-11 04:50:55 PM  
I don't give a shiat what he is.  His dad has a goddamn beard so we should stone the lot of them.
 
2014-06-11 04:51:25 PM  

GhostFish: The details are irrelevant to whether or not he should be brought home.

You can't abandon a soldier and citizen to die in enemy hands based on nothing but allegations and without giving him a trial and a chance to defend himself.

If you can recover him by trading five individuals who can't/won't be brought to trial, so be it.


The frightening and disgusting revelation from this whole ordeal is that many on the Right seem passionate about the United States punishing people indefinitely, illegally, and without trial. They think that about Berhdahl, and they think that about the captives in Guantanamo.

That behavior is farking shameful.


Even if they had something that was more than allegations, we can't abandon our soldiers. Like others have said, bring him home and let him stand trial, if that's what it takes. Just bring him home. I can't believe some of these people...
 
2014-06-11 04:52:24 PM  

Cyclometh: IlGreven: If they had any brains, they'd be CPTs, not PFCs.

In my experience, the CPTs and LTs were actually worse. Most of the enlisted guys were just young punks who hadn't really thought about anything seriously enough to have formed a cogent philosophy- but some had. The officers were far less likely to have done any self-examination. The older ones- who'd lasted a while and had some perspective, sure. Met a few really smart majors and colonels. But younger officers were just as bad as the rank and file.

I thought I was going to get court-martialed (well, not really but the guy was REALLY pissed) when I explained to the super-fundy Christian lieutenant, after having been harangued about God for most of a morning, about how I didn't understand how he could reconcile his religious belief in a peaceful and loving God who loved all people with the fact that he was in an organization of murderers.

I was afraid his head was going to pop when I pointed out that everything we did was done with the goal of being more efficient killers. We weren't in the business of peace, we were in the business of death, and we were VERY good at it. Training day in and day out to jump out of airplanes in any conditions, anywhere in the world, in 18 hours or less, loaded to kill anything we see. We were trained, efficient, and ruthless killers. We were paid, housed, fed and clothed in order to make sure we were always in peak murdering form.

He had never even thought about it.


That's hard core.


\rimshot
 
m00
2014-06-11 04:53:00 PM  
Maybe he was on a secret mission to deliberately get captured and infiltrate the Taliban...

Do I think that's what happened? No. But my point is who the hell knows. It's not us, and certainly not anyone on FOX or MSNBC or Sarah Palin, etc, etc. The military will get to the bottom of it, and maybe we'll get to know and maybe we won't depending on national security implications. Its fine for farkers to speculate, but I swear major networks that endlessly speculate and call it NEWS should have their licenses pulled by the FCC. If you want to be able to fall back on "hey, we don't have to be accurate we're not news we're entertainment" go get a show on comedy central.
 
2014-06-11 04:53:46 PM  
Traitor. Nutjob. Hippy.

I'm beginning to think that this guy might actually just be unimaginably stupid.
 
2014-06-11 04:53:47 PM  
the one silver lining of the diarrhea tornado of outrage is that it's kind of entertaining to watch the right wing farkwits who think obama should be impeached for killing al awlaki argue that we should have sentenced a uniformed member of the armed forces in absentia to rot/die because the guy's dad had weird facial hair
 
2014-06-11 04:58:51 PM  

dittybopper: I'm withholding judgement, because I think there is too much that we really don't know at this point about the events of the day that he was captured, and what he was thinking at the time.


But does the wisdom of the trade depend at all on Bergdahl's status and what he may or may not have done?

To me it does not.  I don't think you give up any more for a hero than you do for a traitor; bringing absolutely everyone home by any means possible should be a given.
 
2014-06-11 05:00:34 PM  

theknuckler_33: Who farking cares. He's an American being held by the Taliban. He needed to be brought home. I'm glad the trade was made. Now WE can deal with him one way or another.


And since they're no longer at Gitmo, we can Predator Drone the five guys we let go as soon as they step out of line. It's a win / win.
 
2014-06-11 05:05:41 PM  
time will tell...
but i think they brought him back to break him and send him to gitmo.

sort of like how they take critically wounded suspects to hospitals... just so they can send them to prison.
 
2014-06-11 05:06:38 PM  
Dude gets back from a 6 year stay in hell and is welcomed backwith weeks of wall to coverage about what an asshole he is for no readily apparent reason.

fark everyone who participated in this. I hope you all get bone cancer.
 
2014-06-11 05:07:51 PM  
This is clearly Obama's racism showing by putting white men below blacks.

A black man is worth 2/5 of a person, whereas this deal clearly shows Obama thinks a white man is worth only 1/5.
 
2014-06-11 05:09:39 PM  

brandent: whidbey: No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.

Where do you get your information?  The war paid for itself.  If not then why don't I see it in any talks about budgets in congress?  There's no way they just went and spent that off the general ledger without serious debate.  You expect me to believe that?


You might Google the cost of the various operations. Not sure if serious.
 
2014-06-11 05:10:24 PM  

Ned Stark: Dude gets back from a 6 year stay in hell and is welcomed backwith weeks of wall to coverage about what an asshole he is for no readily apparent reason. because he had the gall to be rescued by the wrong team.


FTFY.
 
2014-06-11 05:11:16 PM  

Ned Stark: Dude gets back from a 6 year stay in hell and is welcomed backwith weeks of wall to coverage about what an asshole he is for no readily apparent reason.

fark everyone who participated in this. I hope you all get bone cancer.

 
2014-06-11 05:11:43 PM  

Dog Welder: we can Predator Drone the five guys


In-N-Out fan?
 
2014-06-11 05:13:24 PM  

Saners: This is clearly Obama's racism showing by putting white men below blacks.

A black man is worth 2/5 of a person, whereas this deal clearly shows Fartbama thinks a white man is worth only 1/5.


So, does that make Fartbama 3/10 of a person?

FTFFarts
 
2014-06-11 05:13:27 PM  

Dog Welder: theknuckler_33: Who farking cares. He's an American being held by the Taliban. He needed to be brought home. I'm glad the trade was made. Now WE can deal with him one way or another.

And since they're no longer at Gitmo, we can Predator Drone the five guys we let go as soon as they step out of line. It's a win / win.


Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

$100 says all five were chipped before their release.
 
2014-06-11 05:15:06 PM  
If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?
 
2014-06-11 05:17:08 PM  

Giltric: If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?


No, since he's going to be the one doing the rescuing.
renegadecinema.com
 
2014-06-11 05:20:54 PM  

Saners: A black man is worth 2/5 of a person,


hey racist, a black man is worth 3/5ths of a person.
 
2014-06-11 05:24:16 PM  
We never leave a soldier behind badmouth Ayn Rand
 
2014-06-11 05:26:34 PM  

"Amazing! It doesn't matter what color the gel is, when I look at Bergdahl through it, he's shaded that exact color! I mean, wow!"

 
2014-06-11 05:27:09 PM  

Giltric: If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?


The law would pretty much dictate that they have to.
 
2014-06-11 05:34:15 PM  
Odd, I thought going galt was hiding with a bunch of self centered idiots in the colorado mountains
 
2014-06-11 05:37:33 PM  

dittybopper:
TIMELINE: 0430z BLACKFOOT TOC REPORTS SOLDIER IS MISSING
...
UPDATE: 1012z GUARDRAIL REPORTS PICKED UP LLVI TRAFFIC AT GRID VB 6597 3366 THAT STATES (UIM INDICATES THAT AN AMERICAN SOLDIER IS TALKING AND IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH. INDICATES AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS CAMERA)

So he goes missing sometime before 0430 Zulu time, and at 1012 Zulu a Guardrail aircraft reports "low level voice intercept" traffic about an American soldier who is walking around with a camera and looking for someone who speaks English.


That could just as well mean that the Unidentified Male (UIM?) is looking for someone who speaks English, so he can understand what the American soldier is talking about, but it's hard to tell without punctuation.
 
2014-06-11 05:37:58 PM  
Can't we just go with "asshole" and leave it at that?
 
2014-06-11 05:40:10 PM  

LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]

Do you have the original of that picture?


snarkerati.com
 
2014-06-11 05:43:52 PM  

dittybopper: Somacandra: Doesn't change the fact that the exchange was a good thing.

That of course remains to be seen.


In the face of historical obstructionism, including the closing of Gitmo, Obama managed to reduce the amount of prisoners being held without charges, from other presidents, and get an American soldier back.

This is not a question anymore. If you question at all the return of an American soldier to American hands, you're wrong. It's only being debated because Obama.

/oh yeah, remember when Bush released over 500 of these same types of prisoners (not leaders, unless you like "leader of accounting" as a title) for nothing? Or the fact that most if not all of those prisoners will be released when we're done in Afghanistan?
 
2014-06-11 05:49:53 PM  

Triple Oak: oh yeah, remember when Bush released over 500 of these same types of prisoners (not leaders, unless you like "leader of accounting" as a title) for nothing? Or the fact that most if not all of those prisoners will be released when we're done in Afghanistan?


Impossible. There is no way Bergdazi is politically motivated.
 
2014-06-11 05:57:16 PM  

whidbey: brandent: whidbey: No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.

Where do you get your information?  The war paid for itself.  If not then why don't I see it in any talks about budgets in congress?  There's no way they just went and spent that off the general ledger without serious debate.  You expect me to believe that?

You might Google the cost of the various operations. Not sure if serious.


Good sarcasm resembles trolling.
 
2014-06-11 06:00:02 PM  

brandent: whidbey: brandent: whidbey: No surprise a stupid 3 trillion dollar dysfunctional foreign policy failure like Afghanistan/Iraq would launch crazy dysfunctional behavior to the forefront.

Where do you get your information?  The war paid for itself.  If not then why don't I see it in any talks about budgets in congress?  There's no way they just went and spent that off the general ledger without serious debate.  You expect me to believe that?

You might Google the cost of the various operations. Not sure if serious.

Good sarcasm resembles trolling.


Yes it does. A little too good. ;-p

Also I was wrong. It's more like 6 trillion. :\
 
2014-06-11 06:08:43 PM  

whidbey: Triple Oak: oh yeah, remember when Bush released over 500 of these same types of prisoners (not leaders, unless you like "leader of accounting" as a title) for nothing? Or the fact that most if not all of those prisoners will be released when we're done in Afghanistan?

Impossible. There is no way Bergdazi is politically motivated.


Well it's not Berggate now is it?
 
2014-06-11 06:13:35 PM  

Triple Oak: LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]

Do you have the original of that picture?

[snarkerati.com image 300x375]


Never. Gets. Old.

/My favorite meme
 
2014-06-11 06:20:32 PM  
So wait, Rand isn't the shining light of Conservative ideology anymore? 

I am so confused.
 
2014-06-11 06:21:06 PM  

Headso: Saners: A black man is worth 2/5 of a person,

hey racist, a black man is worth 3/5ths of a person.


Not under Fartbama's ruined economy.
 
2014-06-11 06:25:49 PM  
Remember when we drone struck that American turned Al Qaeda supporter and pretty much every R said that was the worst thing since Hitler? They said we should have gone in and arrested that man and put him up for trial instead of just killing him.

The same people are saying that we shouldn't have done a prisoner swap even if it means we can bring him home and put him on trial if he had done some kind of wrong doing. They would have rather have him stay in jail. 

These people make my head spin faster than a spectator at a tennis match.
 
2014-06-11 06:33:43 PM  
is now a Randian objectivist

This means it's okay that he deserted and got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.
 
2014-06-11 06:34:14 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


Screw that...bring hi m home, regardless of his outside the wire circumstances.

Who the hell are you to judge, especially with partial information.

You Bring them home.
 
2014-06-11 06:37:44 PM  

X-boxershorts: dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.

Screw that...bring hi m home, regardless of his outside the wire circumstances.

Who the hell are you to judge, especially with partial information.

You Bring them home.


Well then it wouldn't be an impersonal game of Risk using real people's lives now, would it?
 
2014-06-11 06:39:24 PM  

Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.


Stop vomiting this debunked lie.
 
2014-06-11 06:40:43 PM  

LucklessWonder: Triple Oak: LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]

Do you have the original of that picture?

[snarkerati.com image 300x375]

Never. Gets. Old.

/My favorite meme


This. Giggle.
 
2014-06-11 06:43:02 PM  

Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.


Dude, between him, giltric and SunsetLament, they have DEFINED the word troll. Pay them no mind - they've been paid too much already. They offer nothing.
 
2014-06-11 06:46:18 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


Ok you're okay with not prosecuting deserters how awesome a position this is.
 
2014-06-11 07:06:13 PM  

Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.


I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.
 
2014-06-11 07:07:35 PM  
up-ship.com
 
2014-06-11 07:11:22 PM  

MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.


Well your second hand anecdote has me convinced.
 
2014-06-11 07:14:05 PM  

MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  derp

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.


Seems legit.
 
2014-06-11 07:14:53 PM  
i lost my phone looking for berghdal
 
2014-06-11 07:18:01 PM  

dittybopper: Irving Maimway: This is what even the right wing fellow veteran friends of mine don't get. We always have tried to get our POWs back. For John McCain to come out and decry this, when he was freed as part of a prisoner exchange laid out in farking writing in the Paris Peace Accord, is the height of either hypocrisy or being a pure douchenozzle. Or in his case maybe both at the same time.

There is a difference between the two:  McCain was shot down by the enemy in combat over enemy territory, and subsequently captured.

As near was we can tell with Bergdahl, so far (and this is subject to change), he simply walked off post and started wandering around the Afghan countryside, asking people if they spoke any English.  We don't know his motivation for that yet.

Even though we really don't know much solid about the Bergdahl case yet, we know enough to realize that there is a fundamental difference between the two  situations.  And if any one of us is in a position to judge, McCain is, having been there.

Don't mistake this as support for that position, however:  I'm just pointing out the problem with your argument.


But for completeness sake you should also mention how after the aircraft carrier McCain was stationed on caught fire and several crew members were killed, John McCain bravely left the ship with a bunch of reporters instead of staying on board.
 
2014-06-11 07:20:17 PM  

MFAWG: I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.


lulz
 
2014-06-11 07:21:11 PM  

dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing


You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.
 
2014-06-11 07:23:40 PM  

fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.


I guess we'll have to go back to how we negotiated with the Nazis in WWII and that'll reset the entire thread.

But of course they had a standing army. Oh *snap.*
 
2014-06-11 07:24:20 PM  

Giltric: If someone breaks into prison, would you want the police to rescue them?


Why would the prison keep them? If they don't belong there, the prison isn't going to want them. Actually, I would imagine breaking into a prison is actually a crime (can't have people breaking in and delivering drugs or weapons to the inmates), so they'd probably get 'rescued' (arrested) by the police. After being tried, they might end up in prison anyway.

Did you have a point?
 
2014-06-11 07:25:26 PM  

SphericalTime: Uh, well, this seems like it's based on more evidence than any other theory I've seen so far.


That's easy enough, considering most theories have been based on zero evidence or less.
 
2014-06-11 07:31:27 PM  

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.


You were in the service. On the same evidence--your squad mates telling stories after the fact--would you agree that leaving YOU there would have been the "least bad" option? Not with the benefit of distance and hindsight, but having been in the military and knowing that soldiers can turn on their own for any reason--would you be okay with it?
 
2014-06-11 07:35:50 PM  

MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.


Thank you, Simone.
 
2014-06-11 07:45:38 PM  

fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.


Close enough.
 
2014-06-11 07:47:20 PM  

sendtodave: fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.

Close enough.


Horseshoes and hand grenades. Sounds like hardliner policy.
 
2014-06-11 07:51:08 PM  
All I know is it could have been much worse for Obama. Imagine if FOXNews found out he hadn't tried to rescue the guy...
 
2014-06-11 07:52:10 PM  

whidbey: sendtodave: fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.

Close enough.

Horseshoes and hand grenades. Sounds like hardliner policy.


They're brown, and don't follow Jesus. Do I have to spell it out?
 
2014-06-11 07:58:07 PM  

skyotter: MFAWG: Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.

I know somebody that was in the same battalion, and she says they lost 6 guys looking for him before they figured out he'd probably gone over the hill.

So you need to wrap your head around that.

Thank you, Simone.


No problem whatsoever. But acting like that didn't happen is not helping.
 
2014-06-11 08:03:41 PM  

fusillade762: dittybopper: From a perspective of "We don't negotiate with terrorists*", it's a bad thing

You might have a point if the Taliban was declared as a terrorist group.


They're scary brown fellows with beards. Who cares what they're classified as?
 
2014-06-11 08:23:25 PM  
Well that's no shock. This is why you wait until details come out before you scream how somebody is a traitor and needs to die.

Part of me thinks when Bergdahl has his say and more details come out republicans will go from "Impeach Obama for freeing this traitor." to "Obama didn't rescue our guy. It was a team of brave American heroes who rescued him. Obama had nothing to do with it."
 
2014-06-11 08:46:21 PM  

AutumnWind: Well that's no shock. This is why you wait until details come out before you scream how somebody is a traitor and needs to die.

Part of me thinks when Bergdahl has his say and more details come out republicans will go from "Impeach Obama for freeing this traitor." to "Obama didn't rescue our guy. It was a team of brave American heroes who rescued him. Obama had nothing to do with it."


"In fact, Obama wanted to just GIVE the Taliban their supergenius leaders back, and a group of Brave Patriots rescued Bergdahl on their own!"
 
2014-06-11 09:05:43 PM  
Conservatives sure do seem to like the idea of honoring soldiers in a very general sense, but when the rubber meets the road they are all party-over-honor and will throw any soldier under a bus, then back over him twice.
 
2014-06-11 09:14:23 PM  
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Begdahl pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2014-06-11 09:45:03 PM  
I hope Congress' medical insurance covers severe whiplash:

On June 27 [2009], he sent an e-mail to his friends titled "Who is John Galt?," a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged," about individualism in a dystopian America.
"I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand ..." Bergdahl wrote. "This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising."


What could possibly have happened in 2009 to the country and military of the United States that would make a Randian throw a fit and ragequit?
Might it be the same event that has other Randian-types in the federal government upset?

/"We must support our soldiers! Bring him home!"
//"You brought him home, Obama? But..he's a DESERTER and we hate him!"
///"Oh...maybe he deserted because he hates Obama, too? PATRIOT! Why did you wait so long to bring him back, Obama?!?!?"
////"And quit eating those dang crackers like you own the place!..."
 
2014-06-11 09:56:48 PM  

AutumnWind: Well that's no shock. This is why you wait until details come out before you scream how somebody is a traitor and needs to die.

Part of me thinks when Bergdahl has his say and more details come out republicans will go from "Impeach Obama for freeing this traitor." to "Obama didn't rescue our guy. It was a team of brave American heroes who rescued him. Obama had nothing to do with it."


Yeah I think once he talks about what happened the whole story is going to change. There is just too much weird shiat surrounding the he walked off story. First of all if he walked off why would he leave his gun and body armor? If you are going to leave a base that is in the middle of a war zone why would you leave the only way you have to defend yourself? Then there are the statements from his squad mates about him. They come off less of trying to explain what happened or why it may have happened and more of them justifying why they disliked him. Then there is the last conversation they said he had with his squad leader about could he leave the base with his sensitive equipment, that conversation just didn't make since.

Maybe the guy was disturbed and had a moment and did the dumbest thing he could do in a war zone, and maybe something else happened that everybody is trying to cover for now. We won't know until he talks. And i think one of the reasons why so many Right Wing talking heads are doing so much to find  him guilty in the media is that they are also afraid that there is something else going on and don't want to have to face it.
 
2014-06-11 09:57:58 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: I have enough evidence to say it was good to make the exchange.

If he is found to be a deserter and even a traitor, I will support punishing him,  Severely.  But I will still support having made the deal

Some people will disagree, of course, but I do not believe it is even possible that any further information would have the ability to cause me to change my mind and force me to conclude "we should have left him there"

And that is where we disagree.  I'm open to welcoming him home as a "hero" if the situation warrants it.  I'm also open to the idea that leaving him there could have been the best option, or the "least bad" option, depending.

Ok you're okay with not prosecuting deserters how awesome a position this is.


Typical chickenhawk bullshiat. Did you ever serve? Then who the hell do you think you are to pass judgment? Your opinion in this matter means as much as Dick Cheney's. Not worth a popcorn fart.
 
2014-06-11 11:01:32 PM  

timujin: Rapmaster2000: I don't care about his words or actions. The important thing is his father's Talibeard.

You're working with outdated information, it's a Duck Dynabeard.


And that makes all the difference.  It matters which book you thump on while hating on Feelthy Queers, Dirty Jezebels and Godless Heathens.
 
2014-06-11 11:03:08 PM  

Epicanis: I hope Congress' medical insurance covers severe whiplash:


Congresscritters have to get their health insurance from the exchanges.
 
2014-06-11 11:10:57 PM  

loonatic112358: Odd, I thought going galt was hiding with a bunch of self centered idiots in the colorado mountains


It also involves a perpetual motion machine and rape. Lots and lots of rape.
 
2014-06-11 11:14:17 PM  

LucklessWonder: Triple Oak: LucklessWonder: Bf+: Bane of Broone: Somacandra: Doctor Funkenstein: Diogenes: That dude wears more hats than N0bummer.

Indeed.  And there's only one way to approach this conundrum.  It's time to befart his name.   It's the only way to be sure.  Fartgent Blowe Buttdookhl!

Bergfart.

Not to be confused with

Fartghazi.

I can't stop giggling.

Tee hee


[bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com image 500x328]

Do you have the original of that picture?

[snarkerati.com image 300x375]

Never. Gets. Old.

/My favorite meme


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-11 11:19:38 PM  

edmo: All I know is it could have been much worse for Obama. Imagine if FOXNews found out he hadn't tried to rescue the guy...


Obama should have learned long ago that the TeaTards like people who talk in tough but ultimately empty platitudes, but absolutely refuse to ever express any concrete policies or actions of any kind.

If he had loudly and boldly said ev "no-one will be left behind", and then just left him there, the Republican Tea Party would practically forget he wasn't one of them.
 
2014-06-11 11:38:51 PM  

clemarchives.files.wordpress.com

"Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision."


/Explains the whole leaving behind his weapon and NVGs thing.
 
2014-06-11 11:49:07 PM  

factoryconnection: All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.


You sanity and reasonable viewpoints fill me with the rage borne of a thousand suns.

// Has anyone looked this up?  Are there precedents wherein we turned our backs on one or more soldiers captured in a time of war and still living, because some loud mouthed cretins didn't like their fathers' grooming habits?  This is despicable, and I'm ashamed that these evil people hold so much sway in our country.
 
2014-06-12 12:00:14 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: [clemarchives.files.wordpress.com image 480x360]"Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision."
/Explains the whole leaving behind his weapon and NVGs thing.


Only if the guy takes everything as concrete and doesn't understand symbolism.
 
2014-06-12 12:12:49 AM  
Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/afghanistan-village-massacr e_ n_2331491.html

Nothing was proven against him yet either, so should we have traded five high ranking Taliban war criminals (yes, they were) for him and had POTUS stage a big time rose garden announcement with the parents?

I believe it's fair to say that there are some who may have to be left behind depending on the circumstances.

The President made a colossally stupid move with the whole Rose Garden speech with the parents regarding a deserter who had a fairly lengthy and controversial paper trail. How they didn't see this controversy coming is impossible to understand and makes me wonder why they invited this fight?
 
2014-06-12 12:35:14 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?


If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.  No, not even that guy would have been left behind.  Had he been captured we would have demanded his return to put him on trial.
 
2014-06-12 12:44:10 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/afghanistan-village-massacr e_ n_2331491.html

Nothing was proven against him yet either, so should we have traded five high ranking Taliban war criminals (yes, they were) for him and had POTUS stage a big time rose garden announcement with the parents?

I believe it's fair to say that there are some who may have to be left behind depending on the circumstances.


Bullshiat .

The President made a colossally stupid move with the whole Rose Garden speech with the parents regarding a deserter who had a fairly lengthy and controversial paper trail. How they didn't see this controversy coming is impossible to understand and makes me wonder why they invited this fight?

They did see it coming. They knew that you and a bunch of other social conservatives were going to talk shiat and try to call the shots as to what should have "really" happened. And that 's exactly what you're doing.
 
2014-06-12 12:56:39 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Nothing was proven against him yet either


Also you're wrong.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military-july-dec13-bales_08-23/

He was sentenced to life in prison.  If you do a Google search conservatives see this guy as a hero.  Go figure.
 
2014-06-12 12:56:47 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Just for fun, for those who say whatever trade we made was warranted as we never leave anyone behind, what if this guy had been captured and held as a POW?


We try to get our guys back.  WTF is confusing to you about this?
 
2014-06-12 01:00:32 AM  
Really, at this point, if you're still taking the Republican Party position on this, you are a farking tool.

The Obama administration is sending a strong message that the war in Afghanistan is bullshiat, and we need to get out of there.

You're welcome to keep kissing hardliner ass by talking more shiat on this.

It's settled as far as reality is concerned.
 
2014-06-12 03:04:12 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: deserter


There's that word again. AWOL != Desertion.
 
2014-06-12 03:49:21 AM  

Irving Maimway: factoryconnection: All these "revelations" that come and go seem to have conspired to make me feel the exact same way:
1. We as a country get our POWs back and sometimes that takes an unpleasant prisoner swap
2. If he's got personal, legal or professional problems, the solution to them didn't involve leaving him with the Haqqani Network.

Simple as that.

This is what even the right wing fellow veteran friends of mine don't get. We always have tried to get our POWs back. For John McCain to come out and decry this, when he was freed as part of a prisoner exchange laid out in farking writing in the Paris Peace Accord, is the height of either hypocrisy or being a pure douchenozzle. Or in his case maybe both at the same time.


Being a modern Republican.
Obama is playing them like a bugle.  He's just managed to make the Republicans prove that they put politics first, and to decry beards.
 
2014-06-12 06:31:46 AM  

dittybopper: we traded a single Private First Class for five upper management types.


Upper management?

Mid level beuracrats who after, what 5 or 8 years we couldn't bring a single charge against?
 
2014-06-12 06:55:01 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Nothing was proven against him yet either, so should we have traded five high ranking Taliban war criminals (yes, they were) for him and had POTUS stage a big time rose garden announcement with the parents?


How long have we had them, and what charges have we brought?
 
2014-06-12 08:30:22 AM  
Being a Randian is pretty much diagnostic for being crazy.

Of course, it's also diagnostic for being so stupid you have a brain disorder, which I guess is kind of crazy
 
2014-06-12 09:51:09 AM  

Cyclometh: Noam Chimpsky:  got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.

Stop vomiting this debunked lie.


They can't help it. Dittoheads are called that for a reason.
 
2014-06-12 12:25:58 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: is now a Randian objectivist

This means it's okay that he deserted and got several of his platoon killed trying to find him.


Bless your heart.
 
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