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(The Big Story)   The grandson of the REAL Cesar Chavez has filed a lawsuit seeking to prevent the name of an AZ congressional candidate who switched parties from GOP to Democrat and legally changed his name to "Cesar Chavez" from appearing on the ballot   (bigstory.ap.org ) divider line
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2014-06-11 04:19:46 PM  
I hadn't heard about the changing parties part.

That is some desperate scumbaggery, right there.
 
2014-06-11 04:36:44 PM  
Wow. You can't make this stuff up.
 
2014-06-11 05:27:39 PM  
They'll probably let him keep Caesar, but make him keep Fistler.

Ceasar Fistler. Has such a... ring to it.
 
2014-06-11 05:28:19 PM  

s2s2s2: They'll probably let him keep Caesar, but make him keep Fistler.

*Caesar Fistler. Has such a... ring to it.

 
2014-06-11 05:28:22 PM  
His name used to be "appearing on the ballot"? How very e.e. cummings of him.
 
2014-06-11 05:29:02 PM  
Dammit:P

Cesar
 
2014-06-11 05:29:34 PM  
legally changed his name to Cesar Chavez


Dude legally changed his name, how can you stop him from being on the ballot if he won the primary?
 
2014-06-11 05:30:49 PM  
I don't think "He wants to confuse the voters" is a valid reason to keep him off the ballot, unfortunately.

One hopes that the Arizona Democrats see through this. I expect Mr. Chavez/Fistler would immediately switch party affiliation back to the GOP if he won the election.
 
2014-06-11 05:31:12 PM  
lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-06-11 05:33:21 PM  

Calmamity: I hadn't heard about the changing parties part.

That is some desperate scumbaggery, right there.


And yet, he's not the first desperate GOP scumbag to do it. GOP scumbags will do anything, from pretending to be someone else, to lying to voters to prevent them from showing up at the polls, to bribing Democrat scumbags to quit, to win.
 
2014-06-11 05:33:41 PM  
A more popular name choice would have been "No Se".
 
2014-06-11 05:34:13 PM  

FormlessOne: Calmamity: I hadn't heard about the changing parties part.

That is some desperate scumbaggery, right there.

And yet, he's not the first desperate GOP scumbag to do it. GOP scumbags will do anything, from pretending to be someone else, to lying to voters to prevent them from showing up at the polls, to bribing Democrat scumbags to quit, to win.


Which is why we need tough voter ID laws, obviously.
 
2014-06-11 05:36:26 PM  
That's... hilarious actually
 
2014-06-11 05:37:30 PM  
patperezgolf.com
 
2014-06-11 05:38:56 PM  
i.imgur.com

"Who are you?"
"The spirit of Cesar Chavez."
"Why do you look like Cesar Romero?"
"Because you don't know what Cesar Chavez looks like."
 
2014-06-11 05:42:58 PM  

s2s2s2: Ceasar Fistler. Has such a... ring to it.


"That's no ring.  That's my watch!"
 
2014-06-11 05:44:10 PM  
Well, they did mention in the link that his name "Fistler" has caused problems for him.

Do people have to give reasonable reasons as part of a petition to change their name?  Can a judge stop someone from changing their name to something because it is stupid, or the name of a celebrity, or it is too common, or it is  the sign Of the artist formerly and now currently know as prince?

Maybe Cesar Chavez is some sort of pandering to voters, but how can a voter confuse this Cesar with the Cesar Chavez who is dead?  If a voter thinks that this is the famous Cesar, maybe they deserve to make a bad choice.  I mean, come on, voting for a guy just because you like how the name sounds?

He could have changed his name to Kim Kardashian and had a better chance than with Scott Fistler

If I were to change my name to run for office, I would go with Abraham Lincoln.  Or John Smith.  Or Pepsi Microsoft Kardashian Lebron Obama NRA World-Peace Bio-fuel Facebook Smith.
 
2014-06-11 05:44:47 PM  

qorkfiend: I don't think "He wants to confuse the voters" is a valid reason to keep him off the ballot, unfortunately.

One hopes that the Arizona Democrats see through this. I expect Mr. Chavez/Fistler would immediately switch party affiliation back to the GOP if he won the election.


Pretty sure that would be valid grounds for recall if not being ejected from office outright.  Unless the rules in AZ let you purposefully, willfully and without consequence mislead the electorate for your own gain.  It wouldn't surprise me, particularly in this day and age, but I think the justifications would have to be so contorted as to be divorced from even the tenuous grasp on reality currently displayed by the GOP.
 
2014-06-11 05:46:32 PM  

FormlessOne: Calmamity: I hadn't heard about the changing parties part.

That is some desperate scumbaggery, right there.

And yet, he's not the first desperate GOP scumbag to do it. GOP scumbags will do anything, from pretending to be someone else, to lying to voters to prevent them from showing up at the polls, to bribing Democrat scumbags to quit, to win.


you said scumbag three times
 
2014-06-11 05:47:03 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Well, they did mention in the link that his name "Fistler" has caused problems for him.

Do people have to give reasonable reasons as part of a petition to change their name?  Can a judge stop someone from changing their name to something because it is stupid, or the name of a celebrity, or it is too common, or it is  the sign Of the artist formerly and now currently know as prince?

Maybe Cesar Chavez is some sort of pandering to voters, but how can a voter confuse this Cesar with the Cesar Chavez who is dead?  If a voter thinks that this is the famous Cesar, maybe they deserve to make a bad choice.  I mean, come on, voting for a guy just because you like how the name sounds?

He could have changed his name to Kim Kardashian and had a better chance than with Scott Fistler

If I were to change my name to run for office, I would go with Abraham Lincoln.  Or John Smith.  Or Pepsi Microsoft Kardashian Lebron Obama NRA World-Peace Bio-fuel Facebook Smith.


Not so CSB: I dated a girl named Pepsii.....yes, with two I's.
 
2014-06-11 05:49:11 PM  
Says a lot about Arizona that this is even a thing. The heat must be sweltering to their brains.
 
2014-06-11 05:49:37 PM  
Bane of Broone:

Not so CSB: I dated a girl named Pepsii.....yes, with two I's.

Just out of curiosity, did her parents name her that (and if so, is it some name from a different culture), or did she change it to that?
 
2014-06-11 05:50:12 PM  

Elandriel: qorkfiend: I don't think "He wants to confuse the voters" is a valid reason to keep him off the ballot, unfortunately.

One hopes that the Arizona Democrats see through this. I expect Mr. Chavez/Fistler would immediately switch party affiliation back to the GOP if he won the election.

Pretty sure that would be valid grounds for recall if not being ejected from office outright.  Unless the rules in AZ let you purposefully, willfully and without consequence mislead the electorate for your own gain.  It wouldn't surprise me, particularly in this day and age, but I think the justifications would have to be so contorted as to be divorced from even the tenuous grasp on reality currently displayed by the GOP.


Yeah, recall isn't a thing for federal offices, and if he's elected he can't be ejected without 3/4 of the House saying so. That Constitution thingy. The onus is on the voters to not be morons.
 
2014-06-11 05:50:52 PM  

cptjeff: Elandriel: qorkfiend: I don't think "He wants to confuse the voters" is a valid reason to keep him off the ballot, unfortunately.

One hopes that the Arizona Democrats see through this. I expect Mr. Chavez/Fistler would immediately switch party affiliation back to the GOP if he won the election.

Pretty sure that would be valid grounds for recall if not being ejected from office outright.  Unless the rules in AZ let you purposefully, willfully and without consequence mislead the electorate for your own gain.  It wouldn't surprise me, particularly in this day and age, but I think the justifications would have to be so contorted as to be divorced from even the tenuous grasp on reality currently displayed by the GOP.

Yeah, recall isn't a thing for federal offices, and if he's elected he can't be ejected without 3/4 of the House saying so. That Constitution thingy. The onus is on the voters to not be morons.


Sorry, 2/3, not 3/4.
 
2014-06-11 05:54:40 PM  
Doesn't the AZ Democratic party get any say in who gets to run under their party banner?
 
2014-06-11 05:55:41 PM  
My favorite fact about Chávez was that he had family beat up illegal immigrants and the people that praise him don't know.
 
2014-06-11 05:57:17 PM  
How about "Little Caesar?"
 
2014-06-11 05:58:50 PM  

IvyLady: Doesn't the AZ Democratic party get any say in who gets to run under their party banner?


They decided that a primary was their method of choosing who that is, and then the Democratic voters in that primary have their say.
 
2014-06-11 06:22:59 PM  

Triple Oak: Says a lot about Arizona that this is even a thing. The heat must be sweltering to their brains.


I wished their electricity would go out statewide during high summer for two weeks once, and I got politely but very pointedly reprimanded for it by a fellow Farker.
 
2014-06-11 06:32:51 PM  
He could have stayed Republican and changed his name to Rapey Arpaio.  In Arizona that would have been the smarter move.
 
2014-06-11 06:33:01 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: If I were to change my name to run for office, I would go with Abraham Lincoln.  Or John Smith.  Or Pepsi Microsoft Kardashian Lebron Obama NRA World-Peace Bio-fuel Facebook Smith.


I'd just go with "Hillary Clinton".
 
2014-06-11 06:40:15 PM  
Should force the ballot to include a photo ID of the candidates
 
2014-06-11 07:01:58 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Should force the ballot to include a photo ID of the candidates


Now watch as some troll tries to equate that with voter IDs.
 
2014-06-11 07:26:00 PM  
If the voters are dumb enough to elect someone based on their name, that's their fault.
 
2014-06-11 07:28:03 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Should force the ballot to include a photo ID of the candidates


Then it becomes a beauty contest. It's bad enough people are more likely to vote for Tom Haverford than Darwish Sabir Ismael Gani even if the former's campaign platform involves child sacrifice
 
2014-06-11 07:49:38 PM  
There are37 people in the U.S. named Cesar Chavez.jpg
 
2014-06-11 07:50:46 PM  

Vodka Zombie: s2s2s2: Ceasar Fistler. Has such a... ring to it.

"That's no ring.  That's my watch!"


www.deepfocusreview.com
 
2014-06-11 08:05:58 PM  
In court documents, Alejandro Chavez alleges he misled voters by gathering signatures to get on the Aug. 26 ballot before officially registering as a Democrat. Furthermore, candidate Chavez is accused of collecting signatures from people who are not qualified to vote in that district, according to the challenge.

He's not suing him because he's using that name he's suing because HE BROKE THE farkING LAW.
 
2014-06-11 08:19:04 PM  

Headso: legally changed his name to Cesar Chavez


Dude legally changed his name, how can you stop him from being on the ballot if he won the primary?


Didn't read the article did you?

In court documents, Alejandro Chavez alleges he misled voters by gathering signatures to get on the Aug. 26 ballot before officially registering as a Democrat. Furthermore, candidate Chavez is accused of collecting signatures from people who are not qualified to vote in that district, according to the challenge.

The lawsuit isn't because he changed his name, the lawsuit is because he broke the law with his signature gathering.
 
2014-06-11 10:06:33 PM  

Headso: legally changed his name to Cesar Chavez


Dude legally changed his name, how can you stop him from being on the ballot if he won the primary?


In a country that considers things like "laws" important?  You can't.  In a country where the judiciary just makes shiat up and when it doesn't like what a particular set of laws says?  Anything is possible.  It's like Zombo.com.
 
2014-06-11 10:09:35 PM  

SunsetLament: Headso: legally changed his name to Cesar Chavez


Dude legally changed his name, how can you stop him from being on the ballot if he won the primary?

In a country that considers things like "laws" important?  You can't.  In a country where the judiciary just makes shiat up and when it doesn't like what a particular set of laws says?  Anything is possible.  It's like Zombo.com.


I see you didn't read, or are completely ignoring the reason why he is suing, the article either.
 
2014-06-11 10:22:02 PM  
ongbok:

In a country that considers things like "laws" important?  You can't.  In a country where the judiciary just makes shiat up and when it doesn't like what a particular set of laws says?  Anything is possible.  It's like Zombo.com.

I see you didn't read, or are completely ignoring the reason why he is suing, the article either.


Oh, I saw what Chavez (the grandson) did ... he alleged one thing that was illegal (getting signatures of people outside the district) so the lawsuit wouldn't immediately get thrown out of court.  Only, he has no evidence that this occurred.  Then he alleged his real grievance - that he just didn't like it.  This, of course, is not against the law; Chavez (the guy who changed his name) is perfectly within his legal rights to do things that the other Chavez (the grandson) doesn't like.  So what will happen?  The judge (who also won't like it) will rule the way the grandson wants on the "signatures" argument, finding whatever minuscule evidence they can present is sufficient to grant an injunction to have the name removed (or changed).  It's a shell game that is allowed to occur by a judiciary that doesn't value law.
 
2014-06-11 10:53:45 PM  

SunsetLament: ongbok:

In a country that considers things like "laws" important?  You can't.  In a country where the judiciary just makes shiat up and when it doesn't like what a particular set of laws says?  Anything is possible.  It's like Zombo.com.

I see you didn't read, or are completely ignoring the reason why he is suing, the article either.

Oh, I saw what Chavez (the grandson) did ... he alleged one thing that was illegal (getting signatures of people outside the district) so the lawsuit wouldn't immediately get thrown out of court.  Only, he has no evidence that this occurred.  Then he alleged his real grievance - that he just didn't like it.  This, of course, is not against the law; Chavez (the guy who changed his name) is perfectly within his legal rights to do things that the other Chavez (the grandson) doesn't like.  So what will happen?  The judge (who also won't like it) will rule the way the grandson wants on the "signatures" argument, finding whatever minuscule evidence they can present is sufficient to grant an injunction to have the name removed (or changed).  It's a shell game that is allowed to occur by a judiciary that doesn't value law.


Please show us a citation that says he has no evidence of what he is claiming or STFU.
 
2014-06-11 11:35:23 PM  
Wonder how many votes I could get in a Texas GOP primary under the name "Palin Reagan"...
 
2014-06-12 12:52:59 AM  

Pimparoo: Wonder how many votes I could get in a Texas GOP primary under the name "Palin Reagan"...


Mind. Blown.
 
2014-06-12 09:36:47 AM  
A lot of jurisdictions give parties a lot of leeway on preventing confusion in primaries. IIRC, Republicans recruited a Dick Gebhardt to run against Dick Gephardt in the Democratic primary for his house seat and the state party was able to keep him off the ballot. If he had run as an independent or another party, he probably would've been allowed.
 
2014-06-12 09:50:13 AM  
Hmmm, Dick Gebhardt ultimately changed his filing to an adjacent district so I guess we wouldn't have found out whether the party could keep him off.
 
2014-06-12 10:05:26 AM  
If I was running for office, I would name myself "Jesus Christ". You can't vote against JC!
 
2014-06-12 10:10:33 PM  
I read the headline with AZ as Delta Zeta (for people who don't know that's a Triangle and Z together), and I was completely lost and confused reading the first few comments.

/really, really long day
 
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