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(Sports Illustrated)   The Cleveland Browns not only used to be good, but they were a dynasty, and virtually revolutionized the sport. Seriously. Quit laughing   (mmqb.si.com) divider line 32
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2014-06-11 11:43:59 AM  
The amount of fail for that team since they re-entered the league is astounding.  I mean, teams routinely go from worst to fist in the NFL, and the salary cap really does a lot to prevent the rise of dynasties. Yet the Breons have sucked pretty much every season since the franchise was revived.    It's kind of hard to suck this much for this long in the NFL.
 
2014-06-11 11:49:47 AM  

jake_lex: The amount of fail for that team since they re-entered the league is astounding.  I mean, teams routinely go from worst to fist in the NFL, and the salary cap really does a lot to prevent the rise of dynasties. Yet the Breons have sucked pretty much every season since the franchise was revived.    It's kind of hard to suck this much for this long in the NFL.


Conversely the Baltimore Browns have done quite well.
 
2014-06-11 11:59:02 AM  
If you'll excuse me, I have to take the Browns to the Superbowl.
 
2014-06-11 01:26:59 PM  
That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.
 
2014-06-11 02:41:07 PM  
A virtual Cleveland Brown
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2014-06-11 02:49:36 PM  
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2014-06-11 03:13:39 PM  
Any football fan who doesn't know that the Browns were king shiat in the fifties and sixties doesn't have the right to call themselves a football fan.
 
2014-06-11 03:25:10 PM  
Not just a Browns dynasty, but a decade where year in and year out it was the Browns vs Lions in the Championship.

/And Otto Graham is one of the five best QBs in NFL history.
 
2014-06-11 03:38:08 PM  
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2014-06-11 03:39:52 PM  

GarbageDay: Any football fan who doesn't know that the Browns were king shiat in the fifties and sixties doesn't have the right to call themselves a football fan.


There are a lot of people who have no idea how much Paul Brown influenced the game we watch today.

Paul Brown, Sid Gillman/ Don Coryell, John McKay, and Al Davis.
 
2014-06-11 03:41:03 PM  
Once upon a time the Browns had the greatest running back to ever play the game and a hall of fame QB and won 4 NFL championships. The reason no one cares is beacuse its not called the Super Bowl. But it bascilly was.  If one wonderes why clevelanders care so much about The Browns. There you go.

But since the Browns came back after Modell shipped the team to Baltimore, its been pure hell being a fan. ( Well besides the Anderson season where there was a glimmer of hope )

And I cant stand the new stadium. No personality at all. A bowl with the Browns in the middle. Yes that was a poo joke.

Not getting my hopes up after last years pain of another hope getting dashed with Hoyer getting hurt and Richerson getting traded to the Colts right in the middle of the season. (Smart move looking back on it, just rotten timing)

Oh well see you sunday in the fall, Team Hoyer here, Johnny Football has to get some W's before I jump on that wagon
 
2014-06-11 03:46:07 PM  
Of course Paul Brown also gave us the Bengals.
 
2014-06-11 03:49:42 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.


No, the very petty man was Art Modell.
 
2014-06-11 03:55:17 PM  

Gonz: GarbageDay: Any football fan who doesn't know that the Browns were king shiat in the fifties and sixties doesn't have the right to call themselves a football fan.

There are a lot of people who have no idea how much Paul Brown influenced the game we watch today.

Paul Brown, Sid Gillman/ Don Coryell, John McKay, and Al Davis.


I really wonder what the next innovation, and I'm not talking about the 15 minutes the Wildcat had, could possibly be. Where does the league really have left to go, not taking into consideration major rule changes that make new plays/formations legal?
 
2014-06-11 04:07:54 PM  
I still like the Sam Wyche, Marty Schottenheimer, Chuck Knoll, and Jerry Glanville days.

Marty catching Jerry in one of his famous blitzes and him yelling "Take that Blitz and shove it up your ass Glanville!"

Sam Wyche in a dunk booth in downtown Cleveland after the famous "You don't live in Cleveland!  You live in Cincinnati!!

He taunts the gathering crowd with "Ye without a win, cast the first bone."

Jerry's antics are too many to list.  Chuck knoll once grabbed Jerry after game handshake and didn't let him go, snapping him back with a finger in his face.  He thought he was sending his players to take out Pitt's players.

Those four teams truly hated each other.
 
2014-06-11 04:14:14 PM  

roc6783: Gonz: GarbageDay: Any football fan who doesn't know that the Browns were king shiat in the fifties and sixties doesn't have the right to call themselves a football fan.

There are a lot of people who have no idea how much Paul Brown influenced the game we watch today.

Paul Brown, Sid Gillman/ Don Coryell, John McKay, and Al Davis.

I really wonder what the next innovation, and I'm not talking about the 15 minutes the Wildcat had, could possibly be. Where does the league really have left to go, not taking into consideration major rule changes that make new plays/formations legal?


I don't know if you consider it an innovation, but the focus of the league going primarily towards passing has been pretty huge. QB's are now routinely going over 5000 yards, running backs are devalued, and there seems to be a lot more no-huddle/hurry up type of plays.

It also seems that teams are building more from the outside in instead of the other way around. Deals for corners/safeties and receivers have skyrocketed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the game eventually goes to more of a 7 on 7 style game in the next 20 years.
 
2014-06-11 04:24:27 PM  
Hey, so were the Raiders.

[sadface]
 
2014-06-11 04:44:48 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.


Modell's grave is the only one in existence with a dance floor AND a urinal.

/ enjoy Hell, Art Modell
 
2014-06-11 05:11:10 PM  

Coniuratos: Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.

No, the very petty man was Art Modell.


veedeevadeevoodee: Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.

Modell's grave is the only one in existence with a dance floor AND a urinal.

/ enjoy Hell, Art Modell


The negative he did to Cleveland is both immaterial and pales in comparison to the positive he did for the NFL. That that you cannot see past that says that both of you are small and petty. The man part is still up in the air.

If he were up for induction into the Cleveland Hall of Fame, you'd have valid arguments against it. He is not, though. He is up for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Its location is immaterial.
 
2014-06-11 05:54:46 PM  

coolio mack: roc6783: Gonz: GarbageDay: Any football fan who doesn't know that the Browns were king shiat in the fifties and sixties doesn't have the right to call themselves a football fan.

There are a lot of people who have no idea how much Paul Brown influenced the game we watch today.

Paul Brown, Sid Gillman/ Don Coryell, John McKay, and Al Davis.

I really wonder what the next innovation, and I'm not talking about the 15 minutes the Wildcat had, could possibly be. Where does the league really have left to go, not taking into consideration major rule changes that make new plays/formations legal?

I don't know if you consider it an innovation, but the focus of the league going primarily towards passing has been pretty huge. QB's are now routinely going over 5000 yards, running backs are devalued, and there seems to be a lot more no-huddle/hurry up type of plays.

It also seems that teams are building more from the outside in instead of the other way around. Deals for corners/safeties and receivers have skyrocketed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the game eventually goes to more of a 7 on 7 style game in the next 20 years.


I do see what you are saying, but I think that is more a function of the rule changes, rather than on/off field innovation.

As far the team building philosophy, most teams who pay for the top free agents, rarely have it work out.

I think VR/motion captured game simulation could be the next step. Ya having your practice squad play as if they are the other team's unit will always be useful, but to strap in and actually "practice" against Brandon Marshall, when you are going to be covering him the next week. That could be a game changer.
 
2014-06-11 06:28:19 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Coniuratos: Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.

No, the very petty man was Art Modell.

veedeevadeevoodee: Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.

Modell's grave is the only one in existence with a dance floor AND a urinal.

/ enjoy Hell, Art Modell

The negative he did to Cleveland is both immaterial and pales in comparison to the positive he did for the NFL. That that you cannot see past that says that both of you are small and petty. The man part is still up in the air.

If he were up for induction into the Cleveland Hall of Fame, you'd have valid arguments against it. He is not, though. He is up for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Its location is immaterial.



What did he do? Do we need to put every owner in the Hall of Fame?
 
2014-06-11 06:37:36 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.


You're joking, right? After he took over they won all of one championship (1964), after which he chased Jim Brown out of football and embarked on 3 decades of mediocrity. Then he totally hosed the city when he moved the team. He was responsible for the virtual destruction of football in Cleveland.

But other than that, sure, he deserves to be in the Hall.

Gecko Gingrich: The negative he did to Cleveland is both immaterial and pales in comparison to the positive he did for the NFL. That that you cannot see past that says that both of you are small and petty.


Bull. He was a team owner, and he hosed his team. He's about as worthy as Dan Snyder. You can continue to think that the NFL wouldn't have blown up to what it is now without him, but that's a load of hooey.
 
2014-06-11 06:39:54 PM  

Gonz: GarbageDay: Any football fan who doesn't know that the Browns were king shiat in the fifties and sixties doesn't have the right to call themselves a football fan.

There are a lot of people who have no idea how much Paul Brown influenced the game we watch today.

Paul Brown, Sid Gillman/ Don Coryell, John McKay, and Al Davis.


How does John McKay make that list? Introducing salaries for college players? Off the top of my head I'd replace him with Hank Stram.
 
2014-06-11 07:22:30 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: How does John McKay make that list? Introducing salaries for college players?


The I-formation. Combined power run concepts with the threat of the pass, and allowed the evolution of the play-action pass into the weapon it is today.

McKay brought it into prominence.
 
2014-06-11 07:24:35 PM  

ltdanman44: Those four teams truly hated each other.


And Chuck didn't lose his temper very often.

The road to the Super Bowl went through Pittsburgh.
 
2014-06-11 07:29:05 PM  

Gonz: rumpelstiltskin: How does John McKay make that list? Introducing salaries for college players?

The I-formation. Combined power run concepts with the threat of the pass, and allowed the evolution of the play-action pass into the weapon it is today.

McKay brought it into prominence.


Wikipedia is telling me that was another Don Coryell thing- Coryell introduced it at SC when he was an assistant to McKay. But even if that is true, I guess McKay did bring it to prominence. With all his store-bought players.
 
2014-06-11 07:32:24 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Coniuratos: Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.

No, the very petty man was Art Modell.

veedeevadeevoodee: Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.

Modell's grave is the only one in existence with a dance floor AND a urinal.

/ enjoy Hell, Art Modell

The negative he did to Cleveland is both immaterial and pales in comparison to the positive he did for the NFL. That that you cannot see past that says that both of you are small and petty. The man part is still up in the air.

If he were up for induction into the Cleveland Hall of Fame, you'd have valid arguments against it. He is not, though. He is up for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Its location is immaterial.


He was a bumbling fool.   He couldn't eek a profit on a team that routinely sold out what was at one time the largest stadium in the country.    He balked at getting in on a new stadium when they built the Jake and the Q (but then used that as his ammo to leave town).... Chased Jim Brown and Paul Brown away... invented the "blackout", ripped a franchise away from a town that fully supported it.

WHY should he be in Canton?   Please offer some reasons.  Because he owned a team a long time? Thats not good enough... Pete Rose played ball for a long time too.

His bad absolutely outweighs the good, and if that was not so, he'd be in.
 
2014-06-11 07:41:56 PM  

T.rex: WHY should he be in Canton? Please offer some reasons. Because he owned a team a long time? Thats not good enough...


Because Baltimore. Gecko Gingrich is a Ravens fan, and as such is Art Modell's white knight.

I propose that Bob Irsay goes in first.
 
2014-06-11 09:23:28 PM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples:Because Baltimore. Gecko Gingrich is a Ravens fan, and as such is Art Modell's white knight.

Ah, yes. As a Cleveland fan living in Baltimore for the last four years, I get to have this argument approximately every time I go to a bar during football season.
 
2014-06-11 10:12:14 PM  
The Cleveland Indians tried to work out a deal for a new combined stadium in place of the old Municipal Stadium, which was under Modell's control. He wouldn't have anything to do with it because he wouldn't continue to get all the non-team-specific revenues, so they built the Jake. Then he whined about how they built a stadium for the Tribe but not for him, and took the team away.

And you think that man deserves to be in the HOF? Are you f-ing kidding me?
 
2014-06-11 10:15:22 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: That Art still isn't in the HOF is a crime. A crime perpetrated by very small, very petty men.


I thought Art Still was in the HOF.
 
2014-06-11 11:06:21 PM  

GarbageDay: Any football fan who doesn't know that the Browns were king shiat in the fifties and sixties doesn't have the right to call themselves a football fan.


We know. We just don't give a shiat that they were good six decades ago. They suck now.
 
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