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(Fox 4 KC)   Hey Dan Snyder, "We call ourselves Chiefs, We call ourselves Indians, We don't call ourselves ____" Commercial calling for a name change airs during the NBA finals   (fox4kc.com) divider line 147
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2014-06-11 12:21:19 PM
Feel free to not purchase any Redskins products, Chief.

/you can also root for whoever is playing them
//you'll likely be very happy following that strategy
 
2014-06-11 12:25:19 PM
I was told "Redskin" was a term of respect.
 
2014-06-11 12:26:44 PM
I'm not sure it will help, as I'm not sure Dan Snyder is aware that professional sports have things like "Finals" and "championships"
 
2014-06-11 01:26:36 PM
I guess I just don't understand the entrenched resistance to changing the name. It must be a sports thing.
 
2014-06-11 01:26:48 PM

GRCooper: Feel free to not purchase any Redskins products, Chief.

/you can also root for whoever is playing them
//you'll likely be very happy following that strategy


I'm an Eagles fan, so I do that anyway.

Unless it's the Cowboys.
 
2014-06-11 01:27:40 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I guess I just don't understand the entrenched resistance to changing the name. It must be a sports thing.


Denial would be my guess. A lot of people don't want to admit to themselves that maybe they've been doing something racist for a long time.
 
2014-06-11 01:46:27 PM

SilentStrider: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I guess I just don't understand the entrenched resistance to changing the name. It must be a sports thing.

Denial would be my guess. A lot of people don't want to admit to themselves that maybe they've been doing something racist for a long time.


I guess that's the part that baffles me. Context changes over time and some terms that don't start out as offensive become offensive. Once upon a time Negro was the polite term to refer to black people, but that doesn't mean that remains a polite term.

I can suppose that calling the team the Redskins wasn't intended to be disrespectful, once upon a time [1], but it's sure as hell disrespectful to keep using it when the people who the term applies to are telling you that they don't farking want to be called that, anymore.
 
2014-06-11 02:04:59 PM
Except they DO call themselves Redskins. Several Native American schools have the mascot name of....wait for it....REDSKINS.
 
2014-06-11 02:12:52 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: SilentStrider: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I guess I just don't understand the entrenched resistance to changing the name. It must be a sports thing.

Denial would be my guess. A lot of people don't want to admit to themselves that maybe they've been doing something racist for a long time.

I guess that's the part that baffles me. Context changes over time and some terms that don't start out as offensive become offensive. Once upon a time Negro was the polite term to refer to black people, but that doesn't mean that remains a polite term.

I can suppose that calling the team the Redskins wasn't intended to be disrespectful, once upon a time [1], but it's sure as hell disrespectful to keep using it when the people who the term applies to are telling you that they don't farking want to be called that, anymore.


Very well put. If a group asks you not to refer to them by a certain term, that they feel it is offensive, stop using the term or risk being labelled an asshole.

On another note, I am currently on a lunch break from a CLE. A lawyer in the seminar this morning used the term Negro. Three times. In an employment discrimination seminar. Without any sense of irony at all.
 
2014-06-11 02:28:18 PM

Walker: Except they DO call themselves Redskins. Several Native American schools have the mascot name of....wait for it....REDSKINS.


Well...prove it. I'd like you to post a picture of one of these schools and their mascot.
 
2014-06-11 02:28:27 PM
I dont mind if someone called me a Whiteskin. I dont see what the big deal is.
 
2014-06-11 02:30:29 PM

LemSkroob: I dont mind if someone called me a Whiteskin. I dont see what the big deal is.


If the Indians had used the term while committing mass genocide of your people, you might.
 
2014-06-11 02:31:01 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: A lawyer in the seminar this morning used the term Negro. Three times. In an employment discrimination seminar. Without any sense of irony at all.


Is he 90?
 
2014-06-11 02:33:01 PM
Keep the name but adapt the old hammer and sickle logo of the U.S.S.R.  Presto you become the Red Russians and therefore are a redskin. You can even keep the team colors!
 
2014-06-11 02:35:13 PM

SilentStrider: GRCooper: Feel free to not purchase any Redskins products, Chief.

/you can also root for whoever is playing them
//you'll likely be very happy following that strategy

I'm an Eagles fan, so I do that anyway.

Unless it's the Cowboys.


It's a conundrum - I know that whenever the Cowboys play the Giants that, whatever the outcome, I'm gonna be both happy and sad.
 
2014-06-11 02:35:58 PM

RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: A lawyer in the seminar this morning used the term Negro. Three times. In an employment discrimination seminar. Without any sense of irony at all.

Is he 90?


If I had to guess, 60.
 
2014-06-11 02:37:32 PM
Dan Snyder owns the second richest franchise in the NFL, and yet has a career losing record and was responsible for some of the worst free-agent acquisitions in the sports history. I'd say if he continues being a dick that we six the IRS on him to check his books and see where he's REALLY making the money. My money's on the white slave trade or bankrolling Brazilian death squads.
 
2014-06-11 02:39:24 PM

LemSkroob: I dont mind if someone called me a Whiteskin. I dont see what the big deal is.


Does the term honkey or cracker offend you? No, because it doesn't automatically remind you of your ancestors being treated like subhumans
 
2014-06-11 02:40:22 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I guess I just don't understand the entrenched resistance to changing the name. It must be a sports thing.


It's part of the team's heritage and honors George Marshall.
 
2014-06-11 02:41:50 PM
Go, Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons, go!
 
2014-06-11 02:42:37 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: LemSkroob: I dont mind if someone called me a Whiteskin. I dont see what the big deal is.

Does the term honkey or cracker offend you? No, because it doesn't automatically remind you of your ancestors being treated like subhumans


Better yet, what if the people calling you "honkey" or "cracker" aren't white?
 
2014-06-11 02:42:56 PM
I can suppose that calling the team the Redskins wasn't intended to be disrespectful, once upon a time [1], but it's sure as hell disrespectful to keep using it when the people who the term applies to are telling you that they don't farking want to be called that, anymore.


And who spoke for all Native Americans at that imaginary summit?
 
2014-06-11 02:44:30 PM
They should start flying the Confederate Battle Flag over the stadium. It's part of their heritage, after all
 
2014-06-11 02:44:35 PM
This can't be.  I was told repeatedly that no actual natives cared, and everybody who cared was a Midwestern white suburbanite with her panties in a bunch.
 
2014-06-11 02:45:14 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: A lawyer in the seminar this morning used the term Negro. Three times. In an employment discrimination seminar. Without any sense of irony at all.

Is he 90?

If I had to guess, 60.


Still pretty young for that term.  Southerner?
 
2014-06-11 02:46:20 PM

doubled99: I can suppose that calling the team the Redskins wasn't intended to be disrespectful, once upon a time [1], but it's sure as hell disrespectful to keep using it when the people who the term applies to are telling you that they don't farking want to be called that, anymore.


And who spoke for all Native Americans at that imaginary summit?


Are you saying that all Native Americans must agree that it's offensive for it to actually be offensive?
 
2014-06-11 02:47:02 PM

RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: A lawyer in the seminar this morning used the term Negro. Three times. In an employment discrimination seminar. Without any sense of irony at all.

Is he 90?

If I had to guess, 60.

Still pretty young for that term.  Southerner?


Utah.
 
2014-06-11 02:48:07 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: A lawyer in the seminar this morning used the term Negro. Three times. In an employment discrimination seminar. Without any sense of irony at all.

Is he 90?

If I had to guess, 60.

Still pretty young for that term.  Southerner?

Utah.


Mormon?
 
2014-06-11 02:49:39 PM

digistil: aintnuttintofarkwith: LemSkroob: I dont mind if someone called me a Whiteskin. I dont see what the big deal is.

Does the term honkey or cracker offend you? No, because it doesn't automatically remind you of your ancestors being treated like subhumans

Better yet, what if the people calling you "honkey" or "cracker" aren't white?



I prefer the term "bleach blood".

/Stolen joke.
//IIRC, Chris Rock said it on SNL.
 
2014-06-11 02:49:45 PM

RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: RedPhoenix122: Three Crooked Squirrels: A lawyer in the seminar this morning used the term Negro. Three times. In an employment discrimination seminar. Without any sense of irony at all.

Is he 90?

If I had to guess, 60.

Still pretty young for that term.  Southerner?

Utah.

Mormon?


Can't tell.
 
2014-06-11 02:50:29 PM
So long as they're already named after something of which there are none present on said roster, go ahead and re-name them the Washington Playoff Contenders.
 
2014-06-11 02:51:26 PM

SilentStrider: I'm an Eagles fan


I'm sorry.
 
2014-06-11 02:52:17 PM

Mateorocks: Walker: Except they DO call themselves Redskins. Several Native American schools have the mascot name of....wait for it....REDSKINS.

Well...prove it. I'd like you to post a picture of one of these schools and their mascot.


Red Mesa High School in Arizona. Student population is primarily Native American. Their mascot - The Redskins. Their logo?

www.cefns.nau.edu
 
2014-06-11 02:53:53 PM
Also, in the running for perhaps the most un-PC school name/mascot is....


Pocahontas High School Redskins in Pocahontas, Arkansas.
 
2014-06-11 02:54:17 PM
The video was excellently done, but pointless.  There is no actual pressure being exerted on Dan Snyder... he's in the NFL business to do one thing: make money.  Not win games, championships, hearts or minds.  As long as the PSLs are bought, the NFL has ensured that TV revenues will flow, and people continue to buy jerseys, license plate frames, and pennants for their car, he's rolling in it.

The last thing he'll ever care about is some whiny poor person that doesn't affect his bottom line.  There will be no meaningful boycott, and unless sponsors back out of Redskins' telecasts, there will be no economic impact on him.

So focus your energy where it might have an effect, people.
 
2014-06-11 02:54:52 PM
a.abcnews.com


"Let me tell you what I know about the Redskin."
 
2014-06-11 02:55:21 PM

Mateorocks: Walker: Except they DO call themselves Redskins. Several Native American schools have the mascot name of....wait for it....REDSKINS.

Well...prove it. I'd like you to post a picture of one of these schools and their mascot.


lmgtfy

However, there remain 62 high schools in the United States that continue to use the redskins name. Three of these have a majority of Native American students: Red Mesa High School (Arizona), Wellpinit High School Wellpinit, Washington and Kingston High School Kingston, Oklahoma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_(slang)

http://www.kingston.k12.ok.us/

Well, that was hard.
 
2014-06-11 02:56:37 PM
As someone else noted... would you walk up to an Indian and call them a "Redskin"?   I'd guess most people would not.   Pretty simple then.

"Indians" and "Braves" are not offensive because those are not patently offensive terms (whether the logos are offensive, it another story).

If there was a tribe called the "Redskin" tribe, or a famous Indian called "Redskin", we'd have a different conversation (like the "Blackhawk" tribe).  But, there isn't, it's just an old slang for Native Americans.
 
2014-06-11 02:56:45 PM

digistil: aintnuttintofarkwith: LemSkroob: I dont mind if someone called me a Whiteskin. I dont see what the big deal is.

Does the term honkey or cracker offend you? No, because it doesn't automatically remind you of your ancestors being treated like subhumans

Better yet, what if the people calling you "honkey" or "cracker" aren't white?


I don't think this is a compelling point. No one of any race could offend me by using any of those terms. It isn't at all the same thing. I have been called a cracker and it didn't phase me. If someone called me a honkey (and they weren't joking) I would probably laugh.

I am not saying redskin isn't offensive, just that this tactic is not likely to get empathy.
 
2014-06-11 02:58:09 PM
Also from that wiki page:

Notwithstanding the protests of activists, a 2002 poll commissioned by Sports Illustrated found that 75% of those American Indians surveyed had no objection to the Redskins name. The results of the poll have been criticized by American Indian activists due to Sports Illustrated's refusal to provide polling information (e.g. how participants were recruited and contacted, if they were concentrated in one region, if one ethnic group is over represented and the exact wording and order of questions). But in 2004, a poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania essentially confirmed the prior poll's findings, concluding that 91% of the American Indians surveyed in the 48 states on the mainland USA found the name acceptable and setting out in detail the exact wording of the questions.

So, who finds it offensive?

White people?
 
2014-06-11 03:02:36 PM

Walker: Except they DO call themselves Redskins. Several Native American schools have the mascot name of....wait for it....REDSKINS.


Gotcha! You sure showed them! High five yourself!

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2014-06-11 03:04:37 PM

sendtodave: Also from that wiki page:

Notwithstanding the protests of activists, a 2002 poll commissioned by Sports Illustrated found that 75% of those American Indians surveyed had no objection to the Redskins name. The results of the poll have been criticized by American Indian activists due to Sports Illustrated's refusal to provide polling information (e.g. how participants were recruited and contacted, if they were concentrated in one region, if one ethnic group is over represented and the exact wording and order of questions). But in 2004, a poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania essentially confirmed the prior poll's findings, concluding that 91% of the American Indians surveyed in the 48 states on the mainland USA found the name acceptable and setting out in detail the exact wording of the questions.

So, who finds it offensive?

White people?


They are simple savages who don't know what is in their best interests. They don't even realize they should be offended! Just like when we set up reservations for them because they didn't properly exploit the earth.
 
2014-06-11 03:05:31 PM
I thought the commercial was excellent. Watch it if you get a chance. A tribe from California paid for it to be aired in the finals.
 
2014-06-11 03:06:12 PM

sendtodave: Also from that wiki page:

Notwithstanding the protests of activists, a 2002 poll commissioned by Sports Illustrated found that 75% of those American Indians surveyed had no objection to the Redskins name. The results of the poll have been criticized by American Indian activists due to Sports Illustrated's refusal to provide polling information (e.g. how participants were recruited and contacted, if they were concentrated in one region, if one ethnic group is over represented and the exact wording and order of questions). But in 2004, a poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania essentially confirmed the prior poll's findings, concluding that 91% of the American Indians surveyed in the 48 states on the mainland USA found the name acceptable and setting out in detail the exact wording of the questions.

So, who finds it offensive?

White people?


Would you refer to an American Indian as a redskin to his or her face?
 
2014-06-11 03:07:23 PM

jst3p: sendtodave: Also from that wiki page:

Notwithstanding the protests of activists, a 2002 poll commissioned by Sports Illustrated found that 75% of those American Indians surveyed had no objection to the Redskins name. The results of the poll have been criticized by American Indian activists due to Sports Illustrated's refusal to provide polling information (e.g. how participants were recruited and contacted, if they were concentrated in one region, if one ethnic group is over represented and the exact wording and order of questions). But in 2004, a poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania essentially confirmed the prior poll's findings, concluding that 91% of the American Indians surveyed in the 48 states on the mainland USA found the name acceptable and setting out in detail the exact wording of the questions.

So, who finds it offensive?

White people?

They are simple savages who don't know what is in their best interests. They don't even realize they should be offended! Just like when we set up reservations for them because they didn't properly exploit the earth.



The tribes mentioned in the comercial object to the term. A tribe paid for the commercial.
 
2014-06-11 03:07:49 PM

Mateorocks: Walker: Except they DO call themselves Redskins. Several Native American schools have the mascot name of....wait for it....REDSKINS.

Well...prove it. I'd like you to post a picture of one of these schools and their mascot.


How about 62 of them?

Doesn't make it right, but you asked.
 
2014-06-11 03:10:01 PM

Devo: jst3p: sendtodave: Also from that wiki page:

Notwithstanding the protests of activists, a 2002 poll commissioned by Sports Illustrated found that 75% of those American Indians surveyed had no objection to the Redskins name. The results of the poll have been criticized by American Indian activists due to Sports Illustrated's refusal to provide polling information (e.g. how participants were recruited and contacted, if they were concentrated in one region, if one ethnic group is over represented and the exact wording and order of questions). But in 2004, a poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania essentially confirmed the prior poll's findings, concluding that 91% of the American Indians surveyed in the 48 states on the mainland USA found the name acceptable and setting out in detail the exact wording of the questions.

So, who finds it offensive?

White people?

They are simple savages who don't know what is in their best interests. They don't even realize they should be offended! Just like when we set up reservations for them because they didn't properly exploit the earth.


The tribes mentioned in the comercial object to the term. A tribe paid for the commercial.


I don't have a dog in this fight because I really don't care but doesn't Snyder have a bunch of native american tribes on the record saying they don't find it offensive?
 
2014-06-11 03:10:50 PM

doubled99: I can suppose that calling the team the Redskins wasn't intended to be disrespectful, once upon a time [1], but it's sure as hell disrespectful to keep using it when the people who the term applies to are telling you that they don't farking want to be called that, anymore.


And who spoke for all Native Americans at that imaginary summit?


So your standard is that every single Native American must be pulled before we can think about changing it?

Isn't it easier to just not be an asshole about it?
 
2014-06-11 03:11:13 PM
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2014-06-11 03:12:19 PM

foo monkey: Mateorocks: Walker: Except they DO call themselves Redskins. Several Native American schools have the mascot name of....wait for it....REDSKINS.

Well...prove it. I'd like you to post a picture of one of these schools and their mascot.

How about 62 of them?


Let us know how many of those are Native American schools.

TIA!
 
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