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(Denver Post)   Denver Post opinion editor weighs in on Maureen Dowd's marijuana misadventures. Short version: She's an idiot   (denverpost.com) divider line 53
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2014-06-11 02:05:42 PM  
7 votes:
As a Colorado resident and native, the media and psuedo scientists need to STFU. I haven't noticed one farking difference in life as we know it here, nor have my friends.  And no, I haven't used weed in many years.

So welcome to Colorado. Now go the hell home. We're tired of you.
2014-06-11 11:28:54 AM  
7 votes:

WhiskeySticks: Directions, how do they work?


She's a writer, not a reader!

But seriously, folks: if you've never used a drug before, consider doing so with someone experienced in attendance.  I've never touched MJ, but if I did I know which specialists in my friend group I'd consult first.
2014-06-11 01:56:38 PM  
6 votes:
Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?
2014-06-11 10:33:03 AM  
5 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or maybe just a liar

/deadline and a non-story FTW


I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.

*not fatally of course, but causing serious effects that even seasoned users might consider undesirable.
2014-06-11 02:46:50 PM  
4 votes:
global3.memecdn.com
2014-06-11 02:01:36 PM  
4 votes:
is anyone pretending this wasn't a person with a pre-determined conclusion magically finding the evidence she was looking for?
2014-06-11 01:59:21 PM  
4 votes:
My major problem with Maureen Dowd is that she often relies way too heavily on a particular rhetorical trick, namely the use of one-sentence paragraphs.

It's effective.

Once in a while.

Especially with short sentences.

When you make it your primary writing style, though, it gets old fast.  And when it comes at the end of an essay, frankly it reminds me of slashies.
2014-06-11 01:56:56 PM  
4 votes:

bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?


I think it's more likely that she doesn't fully understand the meaning of the word hallucination and figures it's the best word to describe any feeling of being on drugs.
2014-06-11 11:48:00 AM  
4 votes:
She has ALWAYS been an idiot.
2014-06-11 02:37:03 PM  
3 votes:
The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.
2014-06-11 01:49:41 PM  
3 votes:
I bought a 750ml bottle of Everclear, why didn't they tell me not to drink the whole thing in a sitting?
2014-06-11 10:38:42 AM  
3 votes:

nekom: I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.


You didn't read the article, did you?
2014-06-11 04:00:37 PM  
2 votes:

ringersol: Anyone disingenuous enough to do that, is disingenuous enough to have never taken the edibles, cribbed a bad trip report from Erowid and wrote a bullshiat piece pushing their preconceived position paid propaganda piece.


Let's not kid ourselves.  Puritans aren't in it for fun.
2014-06-11 03:53:19 PM  
2 votes:
MaudlinMutantMollusk: "Or maybe just a liar"

This.
She had one or more people with her the entire trip, including at least: a 420 tour-guide, some pot shop advice- and warning-despensing experts and "a friend".
*Except* for when it was time to actually ingest cannabis? For that, she was absolutely alone, in her hotel room?

And when she (allegedly) had a predictably-bad experience -- by ignoring every shred of expert advice she was given -- she chose to write an article concern-trolling the industry over warnings and dosages, which carefully omitted the part where she *did* get plenty of personal advice and warnings on dosing?

Anyone disingenuous enough to do that, is disingenuous enough to have never taken the edibles, cribbed a bad trip report from Erowid and wrote a bullshiat piece pushing their preconceived position.
2014-06-11 02:32:42 PM  
2 votes:

karmaceutical: I don't get it.  Is Dowd's article really that damning?  I found it funny, more than anything... because we've all done exactly that.  I think the point of her article, is that Colorado is still sorting out some standards for dosing and labeling of these edibles.  I read an article not that long ago where some lab testing was done on different edibles that didn't have nearly enough to get you high.  A lot of these shops need to tighten up their QC, which I think is what all this is getting to.  No need to get so defensive about it.


Her line about "not being able to handle my candy" was truly funny.

However, her comparison to booze in that "nobody goofs up with alcohol because everyone knows what an appropriate amount to drink is" was truly, truly awful and embarrassingly naive.  Plus she left out all sorts of relevant details about the warnings on the package as well as the detailed warnings she'd gotten from the dispensary and used that lack of disclosure to claim that there was no information about dosage or safety.

So: in short... yeah it was bad.
2014-06-11 02:14:22 PM  
2 votes:

Osomatic: My major problem with Maureen Dowd is that she often relies way too heavily on a particular rhetorical trick, namely the use of one-sentence paragraphs.

It's effective.

Once in a while.

Especially with short sentences.

When you make it your primary writing style, though, it gets old fast.  And when it comes at the end of an essay, frankly it reminds me of slashies.


I have this complaint about many "news" articles too, except that they tend not to have short sentences, but rather long run-on sentences that take up several lines to make it look like an entire paragraph, which introduces an almost valley-girl tone to the article, regardless of the seriousness of the topic.

Then, instead of indenting a line like a normal writer, there's this stupid empty line between sentence-paragraphs, which seems to have been adopted by Microsoft as well, since Word now defaults to putting an extra space after a paragraph, making any reports I type up overly-long and stupid-looking unless I go out of my way to set some decent preferences.
2014-06-11 02:10:22 PM  
2 votes:

bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?


Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.
2014-06-11 01:54:28 PM  
2 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: nekom: I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.

You didn't read the article, did you?


The fact that she was given what should have been ample warning doesn't edibles aren't easy to OD on. It also doesn't mean she's a liar.

At the vest least, however, it does mean that she's an idiot that didn't want to broadcast the reasons why it was her own fault she had a bad experience.

Ok, actually, I suppose that might make her a liar, if only by implication, just not necessarily about the ODing part.
2014-06-11 01:53:40 PM  
2 votes:
The first time I had weed brownies, I ate far more than I was supposed to. I had either stomach cramps or nausea for a while. That obviously didn't feel good, and I was pretty high. Next time, I ate far less and had a pretty decent state of mind. My preference would be to just smoke the weed and eat the brownie when I get the munchies.
2014-06-11 01:50:55 PM  
2 votes:
I've got a bottle of Ibuprofen with enough pills to really fark up my GI system, so we need to ban it.
2014-06-11 01:47:49 PM  
2 votes:

Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.


Truth. I've known of Ms. Dowd's idiocy for a decade and a half at least.
2014-06-11 12:10:26 PM  
2 votes:
Reminds me of the first time I had a wine spritzer.

Woke up five days later naked and somehow entangled in a ballroom chandelier.
2014-06-11 10:13:28 AM  
2 votes:
Or maybe just a liar

/deadline and a non-story FTW
2014-06-11 05:24:13 PM  
1 votes:

mongbiohazard: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: LazyMedia: bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.

My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.

The first time I ever got high, I knew I was stoned when my friend went 2 dimensional.  Just completely flat, like he was painted on a background.  That was cool.

Hah! I never heard anyone else describe that, but something similar happened to me once upon a time.

I was about 17, and moving away, so a friend of mine and me sat down determined to smoke our way through a quarter together in one sitting. We did it, and then I grabbed my skateboard to head home. I looked up the street and everything looked 2D - like the cars were cardboard cutouts. It was a little alarming at first, and it made skateboarding home a little challenging, but it was pretty cool once I got over the shock. Never had that happen to me since.


I think that's not unusual. Stoners I know say that driving when really high is an issue, not with coordination the way alcohol is (and the dilated time-sense you get from being high supposedly speeds up your reactions), but with depth perception. Plus being convinced that every cop in the universe is looking at you.
2014-06-11 05:03:02 PM  
1 votes:
I used to just skip frames real bad, so it was kind of hard to position a glass under the faucet in order to fill it up for a drink of water.

today's weed really messes you up. it's too powerful. as kids we used to quest for kb. now i have to search high and low for shwag.

no one has shwag anymore.
2014-06-11 04:48:30 PM  
1 votes:

mama2tnt: GoodDoctorB: mama2tnt: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.

QFT.

$42 Billion spent annually fighting for marijuana prohibition, and your argument is.... "shut up."

Academic.

Huh?
/should've smoked before coming on here just to be as thick as you, I guess.


Goddammitsomuch.  When did QFT stop meaning "quit farking talking"?  Is that a regional thing around here?

Ugh, doesn't matter.  My fault, sorry.

i.imgur.com
2014-06-11 04:25:15 PM  
1 votes:

GoodDoctorB: mama2tnt: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.

QFT.

$42 Billion spent annually fighting for marijuana prohibition, and your argument is.... "shut up."

Academic.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QFT
2014-06-11 04:22:11 PM  
1 votes:

GoodDoctorB: mama2tnt: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.

QFT.

$42 Billion spent annually fighting for marijuana prohibition, and your argument is.... "shut up."

Academic.


Huh?
/should've smoked before coming on here just to be as thick as you, I guess.
2014-06-11 04:07:09 PM  
1 votes:

ReverendJynxed: DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.

ftfm

Perhaps the visual aura some people experience are referred to as a hallucination because they don't know the difference? Some people get spots, some wavy lines, etc. like when people stand up too fast. When you don't know what it is and it isn't normal you may be forgiven for thinking it is a hallucination.

I've had weed that made my vision super-clear, running 48FPS, and bestowing a "3d" effect in my normal 3d land. Kind of fits for a hallucination since none of these things actually happened. No one sped up the film, no one shoved me into a 2d realm to add 3d, no one did lasik in the forest.

A hallucination doesn't have to be purple unicorns or walls trying to eat you.


Agreed.  Thirty five years ago when weed was far less THC'y I managed to convince myself that on a cosmic scale, that the bass/treble scale was a circle and at low enough frequencies, bass became the highest frequencies of treble.  I was vividly visualizing this as well.  I'd call it more of a self controlled hallucination.

Maybe ten years ago, after a 30 year hiatus from smoking, I got high with an old friend with the newer high THC weed.  I couldn't function whatsoever, felt ill, and went to sleep.  I had a nice nights sleep, and don't even recall dreaming.
2014-06-11 04:06:19 PM  
1 votes:

karmaceutical: To the earlier poster's point, there is no reason in the world why 16 doses need to be delivered in a single candy bar. Hell, some of the lollipops have the same multiple dose warning. How are you supposed to get multiple servings out of a sucker?


Because a chocolate bar is easily subdivided and stored for later.  Someone can eat it over a week.
A sucker like that isn't meant for a virgin, or probably even an occasional smoker, but for someone who takes high doses on a daily basis.  If you don't understand the dosing metrics on the label, it's probably a product you should not touch.
2014-06-11 03:50:20 PM  
1 votes:
Maureen, too bad you didn't hire that 2000lb hooker to go back to the room with you. You could have asked her to sit on your face. Your piece on "drugs and sex could kill you" would be quite the read.
2014-06-11 03:46:18 PM  
1 votes:

DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.

ftfm


Perhaps the visual aura some people experience are referred to as a hallucination because they don't know the difference? Some people get spots, some wavy lines, etc. like when people stand up too fast. When you don't know what it is and it isn't normal you may be forgiven for thinking it is a hallucination.

I've had weed that made my vision super-clear, running 48FPS, and bestowing a "3d" effect in my normal 3d land. Kind of fits for a hallucination since none of these things actually happened. No one sped up the film, no one shoved me into a 2d realm to add 3d, no one did lasik in the forest.

A hallucination doesn't have to be purple unicorns or walls trying to eat you.
2014-06-11 03:41:27 PM  
1 votes:
The experience was so bad, The New York Times columnist  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/opinion/dowd-dont-harsh-our-mellow-d ude.html?_r=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(82, 120, 174); text-decoration: none; -webkit-transition: 0.1s ease-out; transition: 0.1s ease-out; font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22.652000427246094px;">wrote earlier this month, that she "lay curled up in a hallucinatory state for the next eight hours," convinced that "I had died and no one was telling me."

To be fair, marijuana can distort your sense of time.

I smoke pot most days, but I'd be very careful about how much I took in edible form.  I've never felt like I was "dying" from pot, but I have been too high a few times.  Those times have always come when I hadn't had any pot for months and suddenly ran into some every day smoker with super-kind bud and since I didn't know when or where I could get any pot I just kept hitting the joint as it was generously passed to me over and over again.

It's not bad unless you're driving.  There's few things worse than driving around in a rural town in a very conservative county stoned out of your gourd and paranoid as hell because you know your car smells like a cheech & chong movie.  Best to just find the nearest paring space while avoiding the cops who are notorious in that town which is exactly what I did the last time that happened to me.

It felt like it took me 30 minutes to park, but in reality it was probably closer to 30 seconds.
2014-06-11 03:39:34 PM  
1 votes:

DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.


ftfm
2014-06-11 03:38:33 PM  
1 votes:
What I do get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.
2014-06-11 03:34:09 PM  
1 votes:
Its similar to a teenager buying a bottle of liquor and assuming that the entire bottle is to be consumed.
passing out long before they accomplish that..  and feeling like the had died and gone to hell the next day.
2014-06-11 03:06:42 PM  
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: LazyMedia: bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.

My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.

The first time I ever got high, I knew I was stoned when my friend went 2 dimensional.  Just completely flat, like he was painted on a background.  That was cool.


Hah! I never heard anyone else describe that, but something similar happened to me once upon a time.

I was about 17, and moving away, so a friend of mine and me sat down determined to smoke our way through a quarter together in one sitting. We did it, and then I grabbed my skateboard to head home. I looked up the street and everything looked 2D - like the cars were cardboard cutouts. It was a little alarming at first, and it made skateboarding home a little challenging, but it was pretty cool once I got over the shock. Never had that happen to me since.
2014-06-11 02:58:57 PM  
1 votes:

Chach: Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.

Truth. I've known of Ms. Dowd's idiocy for a decade and a half at least.


Thirded. The day she writes something that ISN'T idiotic I'll look out my window for airborne pigs.
2014-06-11 02:38:36 PM  
1 votes:

LazyMedia: bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.

My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.


The first time I ever got high, I knew I was stoned when my friend went 2 dimensional.  Just completely flat, like he was painted on a background.  That was cool.
2014-06-11 02:36:09 PM  
1 votes:

karmaceutical: I don't get it.  Is Dowd's article really that damning?


She made false claims, like there was no warning label on the package and no warning that it takes a couple hours for the THC to take effect.  In fact that info is on the wrapper.

She was also "given a dispensary tour by My 420 Tours co-founder Matt Brown, who warned her how to use edibles."

So she either ignored all the information she was given, or just made stuff up to write a more interesting column, or she is really dumb.

 Dowd actually did receive all the info she claimed wasn't on the package when it was.  And she got a verbal lesson from an expert.  So why did her column not reflect that?

Some Doctor in Colorado is already sighting Dowds column as the evidence that edibles need warning labels.  And of course they already have warning labels.
2014-06-11 02:34:30 PM  
1 votes:

bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.


My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.
2014-06-11 02:32:53 PM  
1 votes:

Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.


QFT. But edibles shouldn't be packaged in any way other than single servings. shiat's dangerous, and not just for kids.
2014-06-11 02:25:37 PM  
1 votes:
I don't get it.  Is Dowd's article really that damning?  I found it funny, more than anything... because we've all done exactly that.  I think the point of her article, is that Colorado is still sorting out some standards for dosing and labeling of these edibles.  I read an article not that long ago where some lab testing was done on different edibles that didn't have nearly enough to get you high.  A lot of these shops need to tighten up their QC, which I think is what all this is getting to.  No need to get so defensive about it.
2014-06-11 02:25:10 PM  
1 votes:

macadamnut: Tom_Slick: Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?

Nicely done.

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Damn, macadamnut, my bad, missed yours.
2014-06-11 02:13:07 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or maybe just a liar

/deadline and a non-story FTW

I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.

*not fatally of course, but causing serious effects that even seasoned users might consider undesirable.


I once had an asthma attack while I was on edibles back before I got an inhaler. I also had eaten two or three times as much as I should have, because the person who gave it to me neglected to tell me how incredibly strong they had made it. Feeling paranoid / panicked and oxygen deprived at the same time is no fun at all. I can see why some people think they are dying.
That being said, shiat happens, and she's a moron for writing a condemning article based on her bad trip.
2014-06-11 02:08:57 PM  
1 votes:

que.guero: I bought a 750ml bottle of Everclear, why didn't they tell me not to drink the whole thing in a sitting?



That's not a single serving size? Talk about an accident waiting to happen.
2014-06-11 02:08:57 PM  
1 votes:

BlackMtnMan: As a Colorado resident and native, the media and psuedo scientists need to STFU. I haven't noticed one farking difference in life as we know it here, nor have my friends.  And no, I haven't used weed in many years.

So welcome to Colorado. Now go the hell home. We're tired of you.


2nd.
F42
2014-06-11 02:07:20 PM  
1 votes:

bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?


I'm sure it's her paycheck reacting to what her boss wants people to believe.
2014-06-11 02:04:37 PM  
1 votes:

ChipNASA: leonel: That's what you get for injecting a whole marijuana!

*golf clap*


yeah, totally stealing that one.
2014-06-11 01:57:47 PM  
1 votes:

leonel: That's what you get for injecting a whole marijuana!


*golf clap*
2014-06-11 01:52:15 PM  
1 votes:
Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?
2014-06-11 01:51:49 PM  
1 votes:

Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.

2014-06-11 10:08:56 AM  
1 votes:
She forgot to inject herself with the seizure causing medicine. How else could she discredit Chew-Z?
 
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