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2014-06-11 10:08:56 AM
She forgot to inject herself with the seizure causing medicine. How else could she discredit Chew-Z?
 
2014-06-11 10:13:28 AM
Or maybe just a liar

/deadline and a non-story FTW
 
2014-06-11 10:33:03 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or maybe just a liar

/deadline and a non-story FTW


I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.

*not fatally of course, but causing serious effects that even seasoned users might consider undesirable.
 
2014-06-11 10:38:42 AM

nekom: I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.


You didn't read the article, did you?
 
2014-06-11 11:21:21 AM
Directions, how do they work?
 
2014-06-11 11:28:54 AM

WhiskeySticks: Directions, how do they work?


She's a writer, not a reader!

But seriously, folks: if you've never used a drug before, consider doing so with someone experienced in attendance.  I've never touched MJ, but if I did I know which specialists in my friend group I'd consult first.
 
2014-06-11 11:48:00 AM
She has ALWAYS been an idiot.
 
2014-06-11 12:10:26 PM
Reminds me of the first time I had a wine spritzer.

Woke up five days later naked and somehow entangled in a ballroom chandelier.
 
2014-06-11 01:47:49 PM

Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.


Truth. I've known of Ms. Dowd's idiocy for a decade and a half at least.
 
2014-06-11 01:49:41 PM
I bought a 750ml bottle of Everclear, why didn't they tell me not to drink the whole thing in a sitting?
 
2014-06-11 01:50:55 PM
I've got a bottle of Ibuprofen with enough pills to really fark up my GI system, so we need to ban it.
 
2014-06-11 01:51:21 PM

factoryconnection: She's a writer, not a reader!


lulz
 
2014-06-11 01:51:42 PM

brap: Reminds me of the first time I had a wine spritzer.

Woke up five days later naked and somehow entangled in a ballroom chandelier.


Aw jeez, that was you?  Sorry about that.
 
2014-06-11 01:51:49 PM

Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.

 
2014-06-11 01:52:15 PM
Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?
 
2014-06-11 01:53:40 PM
The first time I had weed brownies, I ate far more than I was supposed to. I had either stomach cramps or nausea for a while. That obviously didn't feel good, and I was pretty high. Next time, I ate far less and had a pretty decent state of mind. My preference would be to just smoke the weed and eat the brownie when I get the munchies.
 
2014-06-11 01:54:28 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: nekom: I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.

You didn't read the article, did you?


The fact that she was given what should have been ample warning doesn't edibles aren't easy to OD on. It also doesn't mean she's a liar.

At the vest least, however, it does mean that she's an idiot that didn't want to broadcast the reasons why it was her own fault she had a bad experience.

Ok, actually, I suppose that might make her a liar, if only by implication, just not necessarily about the ODing part.
 
2014-06-11 01:56:09 PM
That's what you get for injecting a whole marijuana!
 
2014-06-11 01:56:28 PM

que.guero: I bought a 750ml bottle of Everclear, why didn't they tell me not to drink the whole thing in a sitting?


So, how's being dead?

I mixed in a little too much of that stuff once. I don't remember exactly what it did to us but it didn't feel good.
 
2014-06-11 01:56:38 PM
Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?
 
2014-06-11 01:56:56 PM

bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?


I think it's more likely that she doesn't fully understand the meaning of the word hallucination and figures it's the best word to describe any feeling of being on drugs.
 
2014-06-11 01:57:47 PM

leonel: That's what you get for injecting a whole marijuana!


*golf clap*
 
2014-06-11 01:58:37 PM
Someone give her a Snickers because she's nuts.
 
2014-06-11 01:59:21 PM
My major problem with Maureen Dowd is that she often relies way too heavily on a particular rhetorical trick, namely the use of one-sentence paragraphs.

It's effective.

Once in a while.

Especially with short sentences.

When you make it your primary writing style, though, it gets old fast.  And when it comes at the end of an essay, frankly it reminds me of slashies.
 
2014-06-11 01:59:57 PM

Tom_Slick: Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?


Let me show you something. It's called: The Last Waltz... don't worry, it'll be over soon. Yeah, that's Ringo.
 
2014-06-11 02:01:36 PM
is anyone pretending this wasn't a person with a pre-determined conclusion magically finding the evidence she was looking for?
 
2014-06-11 02:01:46 PM
A buddy tried to give me a brownie packed with 'lazies', the thing looked like the richest of the chocolates.  If MN ever legalized the stuff I might try it.
 
2014-06-11 02:02:52 PM
Maureen's brownies were good stuff. She got it from a Negro. She was probably high already and she didn't even know it.
 
2014-06-11 02:03:25 PM
Next week Thomas Friedman will trip balls on MDMA and fall in love with a cab driver from Baluchistan.
 
2014-06-11 02:03:32 PM

Tom_Slick: Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?


Nicely done.

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2014-06-11 02:04:37 PM

ChipNASA: leonel: That's what you get for injecting a whole marijuana!

*golf clap*


yeah, totally stealing that one.
 
2014-06-11 02:05:42 PM
As a Colorado resident and native, the media and psuedo scientists need to STFU. I haven't noticed one farking difference in life as we know it here, nor have my friends.  And no, I haven't used weed in many years.

So welcome to Colorado. Now go the hell home. We're tired of you.
 
2014-06-11 02:06:36 PM
Dowd is a hack who hasn't written anything good for over a decade. This was her pathetic attempt at my favorite website.

Maybe she should take some of those brownies and head over to Mitchell Bros. I'd watch that video for a few minutes.
 
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2014-06-11 02:07:20 PM

bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?


I'm sure it's her paycheck reacting to what her boss wants people to believe.
 
2014-06-11 02:08:57 PM

BlackMtnMan: As a Colorado resident and native, the media and psuedo scientists need to STFU. I haven't noticed one farking difference in life as we know it here, nor have my friends.  And no, I haven't used weed in many years.

So welcome to Colorado. Now go the hell home. We're tired of you.


2nd.
 
2014-06-11 02:08:57 PM

que.guero: I bought a 750ml bottle of Everclear, why didn't they tell me not to drink the whole thing in a sitting?



That's not a single serving size? Talk about an accident waiting to happen.
 
2014-06-11 02:09:22 PM

leonel: That's what you get for injecting a whole marijuana!


Why did I read that in Bob Backlund's voice?
 
2014-06-11 02:10:14 PM
The question I want answered is if it was so bad why has she been back to Denver six times in the last three weeks and why is she trying to establish residency in Colorado?  The lady doth protest too much
 
2014-06-11 02:10:22 PM

bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?


Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.
 
2014-06-11 02:11:01 PM

que.guero: I bought a 750ml bottle of Everclear, why didn't they tell me not to drink the whole thing in a sitting?


What i was thinking. "We've all heard about the dangers of over-drinking and alcoholism, so for my report I spent a week with the homeless drunks under the bridge, drinking at least a fifth of vodak every day. I can't believe that anyone does this drug, or even wants it legal!"
 
2014-06-11 02:13:07 PM

nekom: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or maybe just a liar

/deadline and a non-story FTW

I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.

*not fatally of course, but causing serious effects that even seasoned users might consider undesirable.


I once had an asthma attack while I was on edibles back before I got an inhaler. I also had eaten two or three times as much as I should have, because the person who gave it to me neglected to tell me how incredibly strong they had made it. Feeling paranoid / panicked and oxygen deprived at the same time is no fun at all. I can see why some people think they are dying.
That being said, shiat happens, and she's a moron for writing a condemning article based on her bad trip.
 
2014-06-11 02:14:03 PM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-06-11 02:14:22 PM

Osomatic: My major problem with Maureen Dowd is that she often relies way too heavily on a particular rhetorical trick, namely the use of one-sentence paragraphs.

It's effective.

Once in a while.

Especially with short sentences.

When you make it your primary writing style, though, it gets old fast.  And when it comes at the end of an essay, frankly it reminds me of slashies.


I have this complaint about many "news" articles too, except that they tend not to have short sentences, but rather long run-on sentences that take up several lines to make it look like an entire paragraph, which introduces an almost valley-girl tone to the article, regardless of the seriousness of the topic.

Then, instead of indenting a line like a normal writer, there's this stupid empty line between sentence-paragraphs, which seems to have been adopted by Microsoft as well, since Word now defaults to putting an extra space after a paragraph, making any reports I type up overly-long and stupid-looking unless I go out of my way to set some decent preferences.
 
2014-06-11 02:15:46 PM
I just love the idea of the Denver Post having a cannabis section. I also saw this interview on PBS and massively enjoyed watching Sreenivasan struggling to find a TV-ready form of words to say, "but won't our corporate masters be displeased that you aren't self-censoring and pushing the Reefer Madness agenda?"
 
2014-06-11 02:17:53 PM

Fark like a Barsoomian: que.guero: I bought a 750ml bottle of Everclear, why didn't they tell me not to drink the whole thing in a sitting?

So, how's being dead?

I mixed in a little too much of that stuff once. I don't remember exactly what it did to us but it didn't feel good.


It's alright, but my ear hurts...
 
2014-06-11 02:19:13 PM

mdeesnuts: Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.

 
2014-06-11 02:19:25 PM

factoryconnection: WhiskeySticks: Directions, how do they work?

She's a writer, not a reader!

But seriously, folks: if you've never used a drug before, consider doing so with someone experienced in attendance.  I've never touched MJ, but if I did I know which specialists in my friend group I'd consult first.


content.hollywire.com
 
2014-06-11 02:21:28 PM

Tom_Slick: Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?


nice

37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-11 02:21:53 PM
msg-ctrl.com
 
2014-06-11 02:24:27 PM
www.reactionimage.org

Oldie but a goodie.
 
2014-06-11 02:25:10 PM

macadamnut: Tom_Slick: Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman Brothers?

Nicely done.

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Damn, macadamnut, my bad, missed yours.
 
2014-06-11 02:25:37 PM
I don't get it.  Is Dowd's article really that damning?  I found it funny, more than anything... because we've all done exactly that.  I think the point of her article, is that Colorado is still sorting out some standards for dosing and labeling of these edibles.  I read an article not that long ago where some lab testing was done on different edibles that didn't have nearly enough to get you high.  A lot of these shops need to tighten up their QC, which I think is what all this is getting to.  No need to get so defensive about it.
 
2014-06-11 02:28:35 PM
Hey bro I accidentally the whole thing...is it safe?
 
2014-06-11 02:29:12 PM
"I come to and my brother was there
And he said, 'What's wrong with your eyes?'
I said, 'I don't know, I was chewing on a weed'
He said, 'Let me give it a try'

We spent the rest of that day and most of that night
Trying to find my brother, Bill
Caught up with him 'bout six o'clock the next mornin'
Naked, swinging on the windmill
He said he flew up there
I had to fly up and get him down
He was about half crazy."
 
2014-06-11 02:32:42 PM

karmaceutical: I don't get it.  Is Dowd's article really that damning?  I found it funny, more than anything... because we've all done exactly that.  I think the point of her article, is that Colorado is still sorting out some standards for dosing and labeling of these edibles.  I read an article not that long ago where some lab testing was done on different edibles that didn't have nearly enough to get you high.  A lot of these shops need to tighten up their QC, which I think is what all this is getting to.  No need to get so defensive about it.


Her line about "not being able to handle my candy" was truly funny.

However, her comparison to booze in that "nobody goofs up with alcohol because everyone knows what an appropriate amount to drink is" was truly, truly awful and embarrassingly naive.  Plus she left out all sorts of relevant details about the warnings on the package as well as the detailed warnings she'd gotten from the dispensary and used that lack of disclosure to claim that there was no information about dosage or safety.

So: in short... yeah it was bad.
 
2014-06-11 02:32:45 PM

rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.


They call that being Amsterdamaged.
 
2014-06-11 02:32:53 PM

Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.


QFT. But edibles shouldn't be packaged in any way other than single servings. shiat's dangerous, and not just for kids.
 
2014-06-11 02:33:49 PM
It doesn't matter if she eats it.  It only became a problem because she swallowed.
 
2014-06-11 02:34:30 PM

bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.


My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.
 
2014-06-11 02:36:09 PM

karmaceutical: I don't get it.  Is Dowd's article really that damning?


She made false claims, like there was no warning label on the package and no warning that it takes a couple hours for the THC to take effect.  In fact that info is on the wrapper.

She was also "given a dispensary tour by My 420 Tours co-founder Matt Brown, who warned her how to use edibles."

So she either ignored all the information she was given, or just made stuff up to write a more interesting column, or she is really dumb.

 Dowd actually did receive all the info she claimed wasn't on the package when it was.  And she got a verbal lesson from an expert.  So why did her column not reflect that?

Some Doctor in Colorado is already sighting Dowds column as the evidence that edibles need warning labels.  And of course they already have warning labels.
 
2014-06-11 02:36:16 PM
Maybe she just watched a late night movie like Reefer Madness, and after she woke up in the morning, she didn't realize that it was just a movie.
 
2014-06-11 02:37:03 PM
The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.
 
2014-06-11 02:38:12 PM
Hey, is the Drug Policy Council still paying to slip advertorial content into the media, the way they did with TV shows and movies in the '80s? Because the New York Times has shown every sign of it the past few weeks with their Colorado pot coverage.

/You know there's an extra track on the British version of Amy Winehouse's "Back to Black?" Because it's a pro-weed song, it got cut from the American album.
 
2014-06-11 02:38:36 PM

LazyMedia: bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.

My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.


The first time I ever got high, I knew I was stoned when my friend went 2 dimensional.  Just completely flat, like he was painted on a background.  That was cool.
 
2014-06-11 02:38:44 PM

farkin_Gary: "I come to and my brother was there
And he said, 'What's wrong with your eyes?'
I said, 'I don't know, I was chewing on a weed'
He said, 'Let me give it a try'

We spent the rest of that day and most of that night
Trying to find my brother, Bill
Caught up with him 'bout six o'clock the next mornin'
Naked, swinging on the windmill
He said he flew up there
I had to fly up and get him down
He was about half crazy."


ha! Good song
 
2014-06-11 02:41:01 PM

LazyMedia: bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.

My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.



It wasn't a little man.
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2014-06-11 02:41:04 PM

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Oldie but a goodie.


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2014-06-11 02:46:50 PM
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2014-06-11 02:49:12 PM
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2014-06-11 02:53:27 PM

Danger Avoid Death: [global3.memecdn.com image 850x486]


Yeah, but if you, like, died from an overdose, man, you couldn't say anything.

/Whoa, trippy.
 
2014-06-11 02:58:57 PM

Chach: Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot.

Truth. I've known of Ms. Dowd's idiocy for a decade and a half at least.


Thirded. The day she writes something that ISN'T idiotic I'll look out my window for airborne pigs.
 
2014-06-11 03:05:24 PM
And as punishment, me and Rabbit here are going to make you eat the whole bag bar.....

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2014-06-11 03:06:42 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: LazyMedia: bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.

My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.

The first time I ever got high, I knew I was stoned when my friend went 2 dimensional.  Just completely flat, like he was painted on a background.  That was cool.


Hah! I never heard anyone else describe that, but something similar happened to me once upon a time.

I was about 17, and moving away, so a friend of mine and me sat down determined to smoke our way through a quarter together in one sitting. We did it, and then I grabbed my skateboard to head home. I looked up the street and everything looked 2D - like the cars were cardboard cutouts. It was a little alarming at first, and it made skateboarding home a little challenging, but it was pretty cool once I got over the shock. Never had that happen to me since.
 
2014-06-11 03:08:53 PM

farkin_Gary: "I come to and my brother was there
And he said, 'What's wrong with your eyes?'
I said, 'I don't know, I was chewing on a weed'
He said, 'Let me give it a try'

We spent the rest of that day and most of that night
Trying to find my brother, Bill
Caught up with him 'bout six o'clock the next mornin'
Naked, swinging on the windmill
He said he flew up there
I had to fly up and get him down
He was about half crazy."


I sang this endlessly as a child.
 
2014-06-11 03:12:38 PM

redmid17: The first time I had weed brownies, I ate far more than I was supposed to. I had either stomach cramps or nausea for a while. That obviously didn't feel good, and I was pretty high. Next time, I ate far less and had a pretty decent state of mind. My preference would be to just smoke the weed and eat the brownie when I get the munchies.


Never EVER eat a brownie when the brownies are the only snack food in the house.
 
2014-06-11 03:15:36 PM

LazyMedia: My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.


I once watched my friend grow horns and a beak.

Oh wait--that was on alcohol.

Nevermind.
 
2014-06-11 03:30:37 PM

jxb465: Yeah, but if you, like, died from an overdose, man, you couldn't say anything.
/Whoa, trippy.


They leave notes. You know how time slows down when you're stoned? And then even more so when you're dying (take my word for this). Pot overdosers know that their time is up, and they usually leave notes. Entire books, sometimes, talking about how sorry they are that they ever tried pot, the failures of their lives, how sad they are to die now, stoned, and not even able to articulate an unstoned thought before they leave this mortal coil.

Some very sad and scary stuff. And there's hundreds of documents out there. You can find them on the internet, but I wouldn't recommend it. I read a couple of them, and they are absolutely chilling. I'll never touch pot again.
 
2014-06-11 03:34:09 PM
Its similar to a teenager buying a bottle of liquor and assuming that the entire bottle is to be consumed.
passing out long before they accomplish that..  and feeling like the had died and gone to hell the next day.
 
2014-06-11 03:38:33 PM
What I do get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.
 
2014-06-11 03:39:34 PM

DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.


ftfm
 
2014-06-11 03:40:46 PM

Delta1212: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: nekom: I doubt it.  Edibles are very easy to overdose* on.

You didn't read the article, did you?

The fact that she was given what should have been ample warning doesn't edibles aren't easy to OD on. It also doesn't mean she's a liar.

At the vest least, however, it does mean that she's an idiot that didn't want to broadcast the reasons why it was her own fault she had a bad experience.

Ok, actually, I suppose that might make her a liar, if only by implication, just not necessarily about the ODing part.


The sin of omission.
 
2014-06-11 03:41:27 PM
The experience was so bad, The New York Times columnist  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/opinion/dowd-dont-harsh-our-mellow-d ude.html?_r=1" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(82, 120, 174); text-decoration: none; -webkit-transition: 0.1s ease-out; transition: 0.1s ease-out; font-family: Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22.652000427246094px;">wrote earlier this month, that she "lay curled up in a hallucinatory state for the next eight hours," convinced that "I had died and no one was telling me."

To be fair, marijuana can distort your sense of time.

I smoke pot most days, but I'd be very careful about how much I took in edible form.  I've never felt like I was "dying" from pot, but I have been too high a few times.  Those times have always come when I hadn't had any pot for months and suddenly ran into some every day smoker with super-kind bud and since I didn't know when or where I could get any pot I just kept hitting the joint as it was generously passed to me over and over again.

It's not bad unless you're driving.  There's few things worse than driving around in a rural town in a very conservative county stoned out of your gourd and paranoid as hell because you know your car smells like a cheech & chong movie.  Best to just find the nearest paring space while avoiding the cops who are notorious in that town which is exactly what I did the last time that happened to me.

It felt like it took me 30 minutes to park, but in reality it was probably closer to 30 seconds.
 
2014-06-11 03:41:40 PM

rbuzby: karmaceutical: I don't get it.  Is Dowd's article really that damning?

She made false claims, like there was no warning label on the package and no warning that it takes a couple hours for the THC to take effect.  In fact that info is on the wrapper.

She was also "given a dispensary tour by My 420 Tours co-founder Matt Brown, who warned her how to use edibles."

So she either ignored all the information she was given, or just made stuff up to write a more interesting column, or she is really dumb.

 Dowd actually did receive all the info she claimed wasn't on the package when it was.  And she got a verbal lesson from an expert.  So why did her column not reflect that?

Some Doctor in Colorado is already sighting Dowds column as the evidence that edibles need warning labels.  And of course they already have warning labels.


To the earlier poster's point, there is no reason in the world why 16 doses need to be delivered in a single candy bar.  Hell, some of the lollipops have the same multiple dose warning.  How are you supposed to get multiple servings out of a sucker?  The warning label needs to say is : "This shiat will blast your mind all over the wall behind the couch you will be stuck to for the next 8hrs.  Unless you are a daily weed smoker, don't eat all of this."
 
2014-06-11 03:43:07 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or maybe just a liar

/deadline and a non-story FTW


Exactly.
 
2014-06-11 03:43:36 PM
Maybe it was the girl scout cookie effect.  I'll only eat this one ... sleeve of cookies...oh, and there's no point in leaving just one sleeve in the box, they'll turn to crumbs.
 
2014-06-11 03:46:18 PM

DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.

ftfm


Perhaps the visual aura some people experience are referred to as a hallucination because they don't know the difference? Some people get spots, some wavy lines, etc. like when people stand up too fast. When you don't know what it is and it isn't normal you may be forgiven for thinking it is a hallucination.

I've had weed that made my vision super-clear, running 48FPS, and bestowing a "3d" effect in my normal 3d land. Kind of fits for a hallucination since none of these things actually happened. No one sped up the film, no one shoved me into a 2d realm to add 3d, no one did lasik in the forest.

A hallucination doesn't have to be purple unicorns or walls trying to eat you.
 
2014-06-11 03:50:20 PM
Maureen, too bad you didn't hire that 2000lb hooker to go back to the room with you. You could have asked her to sit on your face. Your piece on "drugs and sex could kill you" would be quite the read.
 
2014-06-11 03:53:19 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: "Or maybe just a liar"

This.
She had one or more people with her the entire trip, including at least: a 420 tour-guide, some pot shop advice- and warning-despensing experts and "a friend".
*Except* for when it was time to actually ingest cannabis? For that, she was absolutely alone, in her hotel room?

And when she (allegedly) had a predictably-bad experience -- by ignoring every shred of expert advice she was given -- she chose to write an article concern-trolling the industry over warnings and dosages, which carefully omitted the part where she *did* get plenty of personal advice and warnings on dosing?

Anyone disingenuous enough to do that, is disingenuous enough to have never taken the edibles, cribbed a bad trip report from Erowid and wrote a bullshiat piece pushing their preconceived position.
 
2014-06-11 03:55:47 PM

ReverendJynxed: DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.

ftfm

Perhaps the visual aura some people experience are referred to as a hallucination because they don't know the difference? Some people get spots, some wavy lines, etc. like when people stand up too fast. When you don't know what it is and it isn't normal you may be forgiven for thinking it is a hallucination.

I've had weed that made my vision super-clear, running 48FPS, and bestowing a "3d" effect in my normal 3d land. Kind of fits for a hallucination since none of these things actually happened. No one sped up the film, no one shoved me into a 2d realm to add 3d, no one did lasik in the forest.

A hallucination doesn't have to be purple unicorns or walls trying to eat you.


It can certainly heighten your senses and that can certainly be confusing to a novice.  From what I gathered in the article she committed the worst first-timer mistake in eating more after her first bites because she didn't feel anything fast enough.  I'm sure it was a substantial shock to her system.  However, hallucinations are more than just wavy lines or augmented senses, it's seeing things that actually aren't there.  Also, it is not something you can shake off after standing up too quickly.  When you go on a trip, you're on the ride for the duration and you cannot turn it off (not that you would really want to).  While I've never experienced a hallucination where I perceived new physical objects such as gremlins or spiders or whatever else, my experiences with hallucination is that your perception becomes animated and you can almost perceive the energy, for lack of a better word, of each object to which you devote your attention.  You can see new things within other objects or think that they are not what they are, but I've had the effect where new objects manifested themselves.
 
2014-06-11 03:55:56 PM

ReverendJynxed: A hallucination doesn't have to be purple unicorns or walls trying to eat you.


Great. Now you tell me.
 
2014-06-11 03:56:15 PM

Danger Avoid Death: [global3.memecdn.com image 850x486]


Well of course not.  Dead people can't talk.  er something.
 
2014-06-11 03:56:40 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
I read a book about a girl who od's on weed, and she goes to hell, so you know shiat is dangerous.
 
2014-06-11 04:00:37 PM

ringersol: Anyone disingenuous enough to do that, is disingenuous enough to have never taken the edibles, cribbed a bad trip report from Erowid and wrote a bullshiat piece pushing their preconceived position paid propaganda piece.


Let's not kid ourselves.  Puritans aren't in it for fun.
 
2014-06-11 04:02:05 PM
Yeah. I made a cake once. for the whole class. We were all stoned out of our minds for the rest of the day.

/ Funny the way it kicks in after about an hour or so.
// Never again.
 
2014-06-11 04:04:08 PM

Delawheredad: She has ALWAYS been an idiot. obviously paid by right-wingers to bring back prohibition, kill equal rights, etc.


in fact, how did this woman EVER get hired/paid for her columns? What a jackass.
/ftfm
 
2014-06-11 04:06:19 PM

karmaceutical: To the earlier poster's point, there is no reason in the world why 16 doses need to be delivered in a single candy bar. Hell, some of the lollipops have the same multiple dose warning. How are you supposed to get multiple servings out of a sucker?


Because a chocolate bar is easily subdivided and stored for later.  Someone can eat it over a week.
A sucker like that isn't meant for a virgin, or probably even an occasional smoker, but for someone who takes high doses on a daily basis.  If you don't understand the dosing metrics on the label, it's probably a product you should not touch.
 
2014-06-11 04:07:09 PM

ReverendJynxed: DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.

ftfm

Perhaps the visual aura some people experience are referred to as a hallucination because they don't know the difference? Some people get spots, some wavy lines, etc. like when people stand up too fast. When you don't know what it is and it isn't normal you may be forgiven for thinking it is a hallucination.

I've had weed that made my vision super-clear, running 48FPS, and bestowing a "3d" effect in my normal 3d land. Kind of fits for a hallucination since none of these things actually happened. No one sped up the film, no one shoved me into a 2d realm to add 3d, no one did lasik in the forest.

A hallucination doesn't have to be purple unicorns or walls trying to eat you.


Agreed.  Thirty five years ago when weed was far less THC'y I managed to convince myself that on a cosmic scale, that the bass/treble scale was a circle and at low enough frequencies, bass became the highest frequencies of treble.  I was vividly visualizing this as well.  I'd call it more of a self controlled hallucination.

Maybe ten years ago, after a 30 year hiatus from smoking, I got high with an old friend with the newer high THC weed.  I couldn't function whatsoever, felt ill, and went to sleep.  I had a nice nights sleep, and don't even recall dreaming.
 
2014-06-11 04:09:51 PM

Cdr.Murdock: And as punishment, me and Rabbit here are going to make you eat the whole bag bar.....

[img.fark.net image 394x347]


Fun fact - that guy is married to this lady:
img.fark.net

He is a very, very lucky man.
 
2014-06-11 04:11:37 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.


QFT.
 
2014-06-11 04:17:03 PM

mama2tnt: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.

QFT.


$42 Billion spent annually fighting for marijuana prohibition, and your argument is.... "shut up."

Academic.
 
2014-06-11 04:22:11 PM

GoodDoctorB: mama2tnt: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.

QFT.

$42 Billion spent annually fighting for marijuana prohibition, and your argument is.... "shut up."

Academic.


Huh?
/should've smoked before coming on here just to be as thick as you, I guess.
 
2014-06-11 04:25:15 PM

GoodDoctorB: mama2tnt: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.

QFT.

$42 Billion spent annually fighting for marijuana prohibition, and your argument is.... "shut up."

Academic.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QFT
 
2014-06-11 04:48:30 PM

mama2tnt: GoodDoctorB: mama2tnt: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The media is having such a hard time finding problems with legal MJ it's hysterical.  There's a fortune riding on keeping it illegal and all those folks are freaking right the fark out.

QFT.

$42 Billion spent annually fighting for marijuana prohibition, and your argument is.... "shut up."

Academic.

Huh?
/should've smoked before coming on here just to be as thick as you, I guess.


Goddammitsomuch.  When did QFT stop meaning "quit farking talking"?  Is that a regional thing around here?

Ugh, doesn't matter.  My fault, sorry.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-11 04:52:03 PM
Uptight people like to make sure they don't enjoy things. I have a bit of this tendency myself that I have to watch out for.

She subconsciously chose to make herself miserable to validate her own preconceptions. She had advice she didn't follow, and she chose edibles over taking a puff (still the best way, IMHO), and so she ruined it for herself.
 
2014-06-11 05:03:02 PM
I used to just skip frames real bad, so it was kind of hard to position a glass under the faucet in order to fill it up for a drink of water.

today's weed really messes you up. it's too powerful. as kids we used to quest for kb. now i have to search high and low for shwag.

no one has shwag anymore.
 
2014-06-11 05:05:47 PM
Why would you make a candy bar that was more than 1 serving any damn way. At least divide it into doses before you package it. FFS you don't eat the whole damn pan of brownies or cookies but candy bars? Fark yes you would normally eat the whole damn thing and they should expect that.
 
2014-06-11 05:18:26 PM
Edibles are weird.  They build up a person's tolerance ridiculously fast.  They say 10mg is one dose, but even that is a bit much for a total noob.  But for someone who regularly does edibles, 10mg has almost no effect.  There's good reason for huge differences in the strength of edibles.  That's also the point of the labeling.  You'd have to be a complete idiot to ingest 10 doses of anything psychoactive unless you *really* know what you're doing.
 
2014-06-11 05:24:13 PM

mongbiohazard: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: LazyMedia: bingethinker: rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.

They call that being Amsterdamaged.

My brother was a big pothead when he was a teenager, and he described hallucinations after getting really high on hash. Apparently, he had a conversation with a little man who was sitting in the ceiling.

The first time I ever got high, I knew I was stoned when my friend went 2 dimensional.  Just completely flat, like he was painted on a background.  That was cool.

Hah! I never heard anyone else describe that, but something similar happened to me once upon a time.

I was about 17, and moving away, so a friend of mine and me sat down determined to smoke our way through a quarter together in one sitting. We did it, and then I grabbed my skateboard to head home. I looked up the street and everything looked 2D - like the cars were cardboard cutouts. It was a little alarming at first, and it made skateboarding home a little challenging, but it was pretty cool once I got over the shock. Never had that happen to me since.


I think that's not unusual. Stoners I know say that driving when really high is an issue, not with coordination the way alcohol is (and the dilated time-sense you get from being high supposedly speeds up your reactions), but with depth perception. Plus being convinced that every cop in the universe is looking at you.
 
2014-06-11 05:25:13 PM

rev. dave: bingethinker: Hallucinations? Is she sure that wasn't the pot reacting with some medication she's on?

Yes, it can happen if the weed is way too strong.  In early 2001 I went to Amsterdam and had some of their good stuff, it was mostly auditory hallucinations and wavy visuals.  And I had a tolerance back them too.  I imagine the stuff in Colorado now is of equivalent strength and quality or better.


Happened to my girlfriend... she used to clear a bong way back when she was young, and decided to do it again at a friend's house. She didn't respect how strong the new stuff was, she was not terribly happy for an hour or two after that, world was spinning, she couldn't carry on a conversation, etc.

Respect this modern stuff... it's not your mama's Mexican ditch weed.
 
2014-06-11 05:25:17 PM

adamatari: Uptight people like to make sure they don't enjoy things. I have a bit of this tendency myself that I have to watch out for.

She subconsciously chose to make herself miserable to validate her own preconceptions. She had advice she didn't follow, and she chose edibles over taking a puff (still the best way, IMHO), and so she ruined it for herself.


One puff of a marijuana joint, or "reefer", and you get lung cancer. Science. Fact.
 
2014-06-11 05:35:54 PM

DubtodaIll: ReverendJynxed: DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.

ftfm

Perhaps the visual aura some people experience are referred to as a hallucination because they don't know the difference? Some people get spots, some wavy lines, etc. like when people stand up too fast. When you don't know what it is and it isn't normal you may be forgiven for thinking it is a hallucination.

I've had weed that made my vision super-clear, running 48FPS, and bestowing a "3d" effect in my normal 3d land. Kind of fits for a hallucination since none of these things actually happened. No one sped up the film, no one shoved me into a 2d realm to add 3d, no one did lasik in the forest.

A hallucination doesn't have to be purple unicorns or walls trying to eat you.

It can certainly heighten your senses and that can certainly be confusing to a novice.  From what I gathered in the article she committed the worst first-timer mistake in eating more after her first bites because she didn't feel anything fast enough.  I'm sure it was a substantial shock to her system.  However, hallucinations are more than just wavy lines or augmented senses, it's seeing things that actually aren't there.  Also, it is not something you can shake off after standing up too quickly.  When you go on a trip, you're on the ride for the duration and you cannot turn it off (not that you would really want to).  While I've never experienced a hallucination where I perceived new physical objects such as gremlins or spiders or whatever else, my experiences with hallucination is that your perception becomes animated and you can almost perceive the energy, for lack of a better word, of each object to which you devote your attention.  You can see new things within other objects or think that they are not what they ...


The wavy lines and augmented senses aren't really there, ergo, they are hallucinations. They can be smells, sounds, odd sights, but they don't have to be full-cloth "things" of any sort. There are many different levels and incarnations, but experiencing anything that's not actually there is by definition hallucination.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Hallucinations
 
2014-06-11 05:45:20 PM

Pitabred: DubtodaIll: ReverendJynxed: DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.


Pot and hash are both classed as hallucinogens, just as mild ones. They're also considered stimulants AND depressants. THC is weird.
 
2014-06-11 05:51:00 PM
That's the way everyone does drugs, right?  If I get a pill I just continue to take them until I feel something.
 
2014-06-11 05:55:05 PM

LeroyBourne: [upload.wikimedia.org image 333x500]
I read a book about a girl who od's on weed, and she goes to hell, so you know shiat is dangerous.


Awesome book!
 
2014-06-11 06:03:06 PM
I agree with the Denver Post.

She didn't listen despite two separate 45 minute conversations about edibles, and the worst thing she suffered was being uncomfortable for a few hours. She could have written an informative piece, but as she chose not to listen to the information she asked for and was given, what she ended up writing was 2014's version of Reefer Madness.

And it was just as stupid as the original.
 
2014-06-11 06:08:22 PM
DOWD: "I'm not familiar with pot edibles and I have no patience for common sense or instruction. I should eat a lot."
(REEL MISSING)
DOWD: "I'm a victim of edibles!"
 
2014-06-11 06:26:17 PM
GoodDoctorB: coming to the well on the 21st, neighbor?

QFT = "Quoted for Truth," if I have it right. (But I'm old, so consider the source, sweetie....)
 
2014-06-11 06:49:08 PM
When I buy a bottle of whiskey, I feel I must drink the whole thing because there's nothing on the label to tell me otherwise.
 
2014-06-11 07:01:20 PM

free_xenu: When I buy a bottle of whiskey, I feel I must drink the whole thing because there's nothing on the label to tell me otherwise.


When you buy a candy bar, do you read the label about the serving size? Hell no, you farking pothead, you snarf the whole thing. They're putting uncomfortable amounts of THC in CHOCOLATE BARS, for FFS. That's like, entrapment or something.
 
2014-06-11 07:25:10 PM

LazyMedia: Pitabred: DubtodaIll: ReverendJynxed: DubtodaIll: DubtodaIll: What I don't get is how hallucinations are ever tied to marijuana or THC.  It does not make you hallucinate.  It can put your imagination into overdrive, but you do not hallucinate like you do on real hallucinogens like lsd or mushrooms.

Pot and hash are both classed as hallucinogens, just as mild ones. They're also considered stimulants AND depressants. THC is weird.


Nicotine can also either make you feel slightly high, or really relaxed. Depends on the dose and speed of uptake.
 
2014-06-11 07:29:55 PM
I got real high after not imbibing for a while once, and turned on the tv.  The D Day beach scene from Saving Private Ryan was just starting.  I got so into it, it freaked me out and I was real jittery for a few hours after that.  I was unable to play golf, I was so rattled.

This is a true story.
 
2014-06-11 09:06:41 PM

Luven: Why would you make a candy bar that was more than 1 serving any damn way. At least divide it into doses before you package it. FFS you don't eat the whole damn pan of brownies or cookies but candy bars? Fark yes you would normally eat the whole damn thing and they should expect that.


Taxes, my man.
 
2014-06-11 09:25:43 PM

Raoul Eaton: redmid17: The first time I had weed brownies, I ate far more than I was supposed to. I had either stomach cramps or nausea for a while. That obviously didn't feel good, and I was pretty high. Next time, I ate far less and had a pretty decent state of mind. My preference would be to just smoke the weed and eat the brownie when I get the munchies.

Never EVER eat a brownie when the brownies are the only snack food in the house.


Do you mean "a brownie" like a 13 x 9 pan?  Was that wrong?  Should I have not done that?
 
2014-06-11 10:46:39 PM

LazyMedia: adamatari: Uptight people like to make sure they don't enjoy things. I have a bit of this tendency myself that I have to watch out for.

She subconsciously chose to make herself miserable to validate her own preconceptions. She had advice she didn't follow, and she chose edibles over taking a puff (still the best way, IMHO), and so she ruined it for herself.

One puff of a marijuana joint, or "reefer", and you get lung cancer. Science. Fact.


No, man, you got it all backwards! It'll cure your lung cancer AND your herpes. Now THAT'S science!
 
2014-06-11 11:41:05 PM

rbuzby: I got real high after not imbibing for a while once, and turned on the tv.  The D Day beach scene from Saving Private Ryan was just starting.  I got so into it, it freaked me out and I was real jittery for a few hours after that.  I was unable to play golf, I was so rattled.

This is a true story.


The scene from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where the posse is chasing them out of town is downright chilling if you're high enough.
 
2014-06-11 11:43:09 PM

Tom_Slick: Alright, Maureen, just listen. Everything is going to be fine. You're very high right now. You will probably be that way for about five more hours. Try taking some vitamin B complex, vitamin C complex.. if you have a beer, go ahead and drink it.. Just remember you're a living organism on this planet, and you're very safe. You've just taken a heavy drug. Relax, stay inside and listen to some music, Okay? Do you have any Allman BrothersPink Floyd?


/let's do this show right
 
2014-06-12 12:08:33 AM

mama2tnt: GoodDoctorB: coming to the well on the 21st, neighbor?

QFT = "Quoted for Truth," if I have it right. (But I'm old, so consider the source, sweetie....)


I see now.  "Quit farking talking" is still on Urban Dictionary, but waaaaaay down the list.  Learn something new everyday, I guess.
 
2014-06-12 12:29:41 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: rbuzby: I got real high after not imbibing for a while once, and turned on the tv.  The D Day beach scene from Saving Private Ryan was just starting.  I got so into it, it freaked me out and I was real jittery for a few hours after that.  I was unable to play golf, I was so rattled.

This is a true story.

The scene from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where the posse is chasing them out of town is downright chilling if you're high enough.



Who are those guys?
 
2014-06-12 02:41:37 AM
If you have no Allman Brothers you might try the Eagles.  Or, screw it and go for Hendrix.
 
2014-06-12 01:09:17 PM

brap: Reminds me of the first time I had a wine spritzer.

Woke up five days later naked and somehow entangled in a ballroom chandelier.


That was YOU?
So maybe you can clear this up for me cause I've been wondering...
Who brought the goat?
 
2014-06-13 01:05:02 AM

rbuzby: I got real high after not imbibing for a while once, and turned on the tv.  The D Day beach scene from Saving Private Ryan was just starting.  I got so into it, it freaked me out and I was real jittery for a few hours after that.  I was unable to play golf, I was so rattled.

This is a true story.


That sort of happened to me with the movie Equilibrium, except it was the scene where they shoot all the dogs.
 
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