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(South China Morning Post)   Philippine judge: Ancient Chinese maps debunk Beijing's sea claims. Sorry China, no South China Sea islands for you, it's written in stone   (scmp.com) divider line 52
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2014-06-11 11:08:02 AM
Ancient Chinese maps, huh?
 
2014-06-11 11:51:08 AM
those maps no doubt had ancient secrets in them.

i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-06-11 12:27:49 PM
Came for the Calgon lady. Again.
 
2014-06-11 12:29:43 PM
Ancient Racist Commercials, huh?
 
2014-06-11 12:29:45 PM

Loucifer: Came for the Calgon lady. Again.


She's good with her hands, hunh?
 
2014-06-11 12:30:04 PM
Let the wookiee win.
 
2014-06-11 12:30:33 PM
Well, that settles it then.  Glad that's over.
 
2014-06-11 12:30:47 PM
The map's cartographers are Wei Tu Fah and Gong Bak Now.
 
2014-06-11 12:32:10 PM
Say, the Israelis should use this kind of logic with the Palestinians.
 
2014-06-11 12:34:16 PM
It's sweet that they think that China cares about things like "evidence."
 
2014-06-11 12:34:22 PM
They've drawn a red line in the sea.
 
2014-06-11 12:35:13 PM
Next week's headline: Chinese Troops Occupy Manila.
 
2014-06-11 12:35:33 PM
remotecontrol.mtv.com

/See, we all underestimated her wisdom
 
2014-06-11 12:36:27 PM

Stratohead: Ancient Racist Commercials, huh?


Well, being from Texas we'd expect you were used to it by now.
 
2014-06-11 12:38:27 PM
China is too big to fail.
 
2014-06-11 12:40:02 PM

BigNumber12: It's sweet that they think that China cares about things like "evidence."


Give them some time. I'm sure they'll be able to come up with a new ancient map.
 
2014-06-11 12:41:25 PM

rjakobi: Next week's headline: Chinese Troops Occupy Manila.


Chinese Troops Envelop Manila?
 
2014-06-11 12:42:10 PM
Looks like someone's going to get peepee in their coke.
 
2014-06-11 12:46:36 PM

This text is now purple: rjakobi: Next week's headline: Chinese Troops Occupy Manila.

Chinese Troops Envelop Manila?


is that legal?

/rimshot
 
2014-06-11 12:49:36 PM
the counterclaim will simply be that the ocean south of Hainan Island wasn't included because it was assumed at the time that no other nations could amass a navy large enough to challenge the sea territory.  China wants what it wants, try to stop them.
 
2014-06-11 12:52:05 PM
It's ironic, because in 1,000 years, China will be using "ancient" maps from something called the "New York Times" depicting their bombing and subsequent conquest of the Philippines to illustrate the legitimacy of their claims over the Philippine separatists.

/ Too much real life?
 
2014-06-11 12:59:42 PM
Nothing like a good old fashioned land grab.  Even if its under the sea.
 
2014-06-11 01:02:05 PM

freewill: It's ironic, because in 1,000 years, China will be using "ancient" maps from something called the "New York Times" depicting their bombing and subsequent conquest of the Philippines to illustrate the legitimacy of their claims over the Philippine separatists.

/ Too much real life?


Yeah that is bound to happen.
 
2014-06-11 01:12:41 PM

H31N0US: freewill: It's ironic, because in 1,000 years, China will be using "ancient" maps from something called the "New York Times" depicting their bombing and subsequent conquest of the Philippines to illustrate the legitimacy of their claims over the Philippine separatists.

/ Too much real life?

Yeah that is bound to happen.


Hell, I'm Filipino and I think that's gonna happen.

/probably because to Beijing, China owns everything anyway
 
2014-06-11 01:13:19 PM

Delta1212: BigNumber12: It's sweet that they think that China cares about things like "evidence."

Give them some time. I'm sure they'll be able to come up with a new ancient map.


Call the Chinese gymnastics coach maybe he can help.

and...

wedatenerds.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-06-11 01:15:16 PM

Zik-Zak: H31N0US: freewill: It's ironic, because in 1,000 years, China will be using "ancient" maps from something called the "New York Times" depicting their bombing and subsequent conquest of the Philippines to illustrate the legitimacy of their claims over the Philippine separatists.

/ Too much real life?

Yeah that is bound to happen.

Hell, I'm Filipino and I think that's gonna happen.

/probably because to Beijing, China owns everything anyway


I'm not so sure the last expansionist Asian power has fond memories of trying to suppress the Filipinos.
 
2014-06-11 01:22:51 PM
Not that it matters, but I believe the UN dismisses any "historic" claims.
 
2014-06-11 01:28:20 PM

Stratohead: Ancient Racist Commercials, huh?


Yeah, there's that level of racist commercial, but then there is this. And don't get me started on the scene from Mr. Ed where Wilbur talks gibberish, and the Chinese characters can understand him.
 
2014-06-11 02:00:46 PM
Do you have a flag?

media.tumblr.com
 
2014-06-11 02:03:35 PM

mrshowrules: those maps no doubt had ancient secrets in them.

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Done in two. Well done in two.

i143.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-11 02:06:05 PM

This text is now purple: Zik-Zak: H31N0US: freewill: It's ironic, because in 1,000 years, China will be using "ancient" maps from something called the "New York Times" depicting their bombing and subsequent conquest of the Philippines to illustrate the legitimacy of their claims over the Philippine separatists.

/ Too much real life?

Yeah that is bound to happen.

Hell, I'm Filipino and I think that's gonna happen.

/probably because to Beijing, China owns everything anyway

I'm not so sure the last expansionist Asian power has fond memories of trying to suppress the Filipinos.


They would be more interested in bigger game, I guess...?
 
2014-06-11 02:20:13 PM

Zik-Zak: This text is now purple: Zik-Zak: H31N0US: freewill: It's ironic, because in 1,000 years, China will be using "ancient" maps from something called the "New York Times" depicting their bombing and subsequent conquest of the Philippines to illustrate the legitimacy of their claims over the Philippine separatists.

/ Too much real life?

Yeah that is bound to happen.

Hell, I'm Filipino and I think that's gonna happen.

/probably because to Beijing, China owns everything anyway

I'm not so sure the last expansionist Asian power has fond memories of trying to suppress the Filipinos.

They would be more interested in bigger game, I guess...?


Whales, mostly.
 
2014-06-11 02:26:09 PM

Zik-Zak: This text is now purple: Zik-Zak: H31N0US: freewill: It's ironic, because in 1,000 years, China will be using "ancient" maps from something called the "New York Times" depicting their bombing and subsequent conquest of the Philippines to illustrate the legitimacy of their claims over the Philippine separatists.

/ Too much real life?

Yeah that is bound to happen.

Hell, I'm Filipino and I think that's gonna happen.

/probably because to Beijing, China owns everything anyway

I'm not so sure the last expansionist Asian power has fond memories of trying to suppress the Filipinos.

They would be more interested in bigger game, I guess...?


If that game is "Lose their biggest single trading partner and half or more of the EU, and erase 30 years of internal progress towards becoming a major player in the economic world forum", then I don't think so. They're in a catch 22. If they forcefully take the region, they will no longer have a need for its hydrocarbon yield, as their industry will be limited to military production. They can't win a battle of resources against the US. They know that.

They want the LNG under the Spratley's, not the Phils. Some compromise will be reached.
 
2014-06-11 02:39:56 PM
Mantour:

img.fark.net

/See, we all misunderestimated her wisdom

FTFY
 
2014-06-11 03:09:59 PM
This is why you can't let ANY government get away with "historic claims" BS. If you don't shut it down with war immediately you end up having to shut it down with war later.

The Chinese military do not let the civilians call the shots. Whenever the Chinese government acts conciliatory the military's media says "That's nice... now if those policies go through we go to war with [Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, other country around us]."

This is why there needs to be a "world cop" because otherwise it is constant war over resources and population. A smaller war now and then can shut down others thinking about annexing what doesn't belong to them.

Nobody has a "right" to a "homeland" or to historic borders or control over a given population. Nobody has a "responsibility" to protect others except as a legitimate way to stop aggressors.

I really think that the notion of "states" as in sovereignties needs to be chucked out the door. We don't need seperate countries except to assuage the egos of those who will shed the blood of others to dominate the remainder.

Send in SEAL teams to eliminate those leaders we can't trust to promote freedom and stability. Repeat until they tire of the game and put in leaders willing to play ball.

Sometimes I think Cheney was right about an American empire enforcing an imposed peace worldwide. At this point it should be about the species, not petty nationalism or power trips. It gets so tiresome to hear about the small-mindedness and regional factionalism of dictatorships that already persecute, wantonly incarcerate and put to death their own citizens.

Things could be so much better under a Pax Americana.
 
2014-06-11 03:30:35 PM
I predict the next war will not be fought in the Pacific. It will be fought in the Artic after all the ice melts thanks global warming Tons of untapped resources there that lots of countries are already laying claim too and their military forces are making plans to take. I could see China backing Russia in a move to take it in exchange to access to the resources there.
 
2014-06-11 03:48:40 PM

BolloxReader: This is why you can't let ANY government get away with "historic claims" BS. If you don't shut it down with war immediately you end up having to shut it down with war later.

The Chinese military do not let the civilians call the shots. Whenever the Chinese government acts conciliatory the military's media says "That's nice... now if those policies go through we go to war with [Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, other country around us]."

This is why there needs to be a "world cop" because otherwise it is constant war over resources and population. A smaller war now and then can shut down others thinking about annexing what doesn't belong to them.

Nobody has a "right" to a "homeland" or to historic borders or control over a given population. Nobody has a "responsibility" to protect others except as a legitimate way to stop aggressors.

I really think that the notion of "states" as in sovereignties needs to be chucked out the door. We don't need seperate countries except to assuage the egos of those who will shed the blood of others to dominate the remainder.

Send in SEAL teams to eliminate those leaders we can't trust to promote freedom and stability. Repeat until they tire of the game and put in leaders willing to play ball.

Sometimes I think Cheney was right about an American empire enforcing an imposed peace worldwide. At this point it should be about the species, not petty nationalism or power trips. It gets so tiresome to hear about the small-mindedness and regional factionalism of dictatorships that already persecute, wantonly incarcerate and put to death their own citizens.

Things could be so much better under a Pax Americana.


Except Israel of course
 
2014-06-11 03:53:06 PM

BolloxReader: I really think that the notion of "states" as in sovereignties needs to be chucked out the door. We don't need seperate countries except to assuage the egos of those who will shed the blood of others to dominate the remainder.


Hah. Hoooooooo boy.
 
2014-06-11 04:14:27 PM
BolloxReader: Things could be so much better under a Pax Americana.

We win all the medals at the Olympics - and the World Cup!
 
2014-06-11 04:16:48 PM

mrshowrules: those maps no doubt had ancient secrets in them.

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Ancient Chinese seaquest
 
2014-06-11 04:18:15 PM

EwoksSuck: I predict the next war will not be fought in the Pacific. It will be fought in the Artic after all the ice melts thanks global warming Tons of untapped resources there that lots of countries are already laying claim too and their military forces are making plans to take. I could see China backing Russia in a move to take it in exchange to access to the resources there.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-06-11 04:23:58 PM

BolloxReader: This is why there needs to be a "world cop" because otherwise it is constant war over resources and population. A smaller war now and then can shut down others thinking about annexing what doesn't belong to them.

Nobody has a "right" to a "homeland" or to historic borders or control over a given population. Nobody has a "responsibility" to protect others except as a legitimate way to stop aggressors.

I really think that the notion of "states" as in sovereignties needs to be chucked out the door. We don't need seperate countries except to assuage the egos of those who will shed the blood of others to dominate the remainder.

Send in SEAL teams to eliminate those leaders we can't trust to promote freedom and stability. Repeat until they tire of the game and put in leaders willing to play ball.

Sometimes I think Cheney was right about an American empire enforcing an imposed peace worldwide. At this point it should be about the species, not petty nationalism or power trips. It gets so tiresome to hear about the small-mindedness and regional factionalism of dictatorships that already persecute, wantonly incarcerate and put to death their own citizens.

Things could be so much better under a Pax Americana.


I like your name.
 
2014-06-11 04:31:58 PM
i.telegraph.co.uk

You, you, you - fark off. We're having tiffin.
 
2014-06-11 04:49:54 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Not that it matters, but I believe the UN dismisses any "historic" claims.


They addressed that in the article.

FTA: He said it was important to establish that Beijing had no historical claim to the territory, even if "historical facts" can no longer be invoked under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, because Beijing had warned it was prepared to fight for it.
 
2014-06-11 04:51:41 PM
The Chinese government is no friend of old maps, as Chancellor Merkel found out when she gave an original 18th century map of China to president Xi.

The problem with such a wonderful gift? Every schoolchild in China learns that Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, and the Diaoyu Islands (known as Senkaku in Japanese) have been "inalienable parts of China since ancient times."
 
2014-06-11 04:57:52 PM
Not to worry, they'll find some way to justify it and point a finger.
 
2014-06-11 05:33:20 PM
In China, history begins in 1957.
 
2014-06-11 05:37:32 PM

Cold_Sassy: Stratohead: Ancient Racist Commercials, huh?

Well, being from Texas we'd expect you were used to it by now.


well... the commercial was airing when I was a child and I was in NY state at the time.
 
2014-06-11 08:18:07 PM

Ilmarinen: The Chinese government is no friend of old maps, as Chancellor Merkel found out when she gave an original 18th century map of China to president Xi.

The problem with such a wonderful gift? Every schoolchild in China learns that Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, and the Diaoyu Islands (known as Senkaku in Japanese) have been "inalienable parts of China since ancient times."


I bet the Mongols would have a thing to say about "Chinese" territories in ancient times.
 
2014-06-12 12:52:43 AM
rjakobi:   Next week's headline: Chinese Troops Occupy Manila.


I've been to Manila numerous times.  They can have it.

Good luck with the traffic.
 
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