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2014-06-11 10:49:27 AM
Jesus would never approve of Jews in Christianity.
 
2014-06-11 10:51:27 AM
How would he not be Catholic?

Ideology != Genealogy
 
2014-06-11 10:57:36 AM
www.stmarysspiritualcenter.org

Not Catholic.

/thanks, Episcopalians!
 
2014-06-11 11:42:02 AM
Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).
 
2014-06-11 11:42:49 AM

syrynxx: Jesus would never approve of Jews in Christianity.

 
2014-06-11 11:43:21 AM
Yeah, sure. Next you'll be telling me that St. Peter was Jewish.


/sarcasm
 
2014-06-11 11:43:38 AM
I stopped reading because I'm lazy, but thanks for the link.
 
2014-06-11 11:43:48 AM
Catholicism is a religion, not a race.
 
2014-06-11 11:46:27 AM
noonecurr.jpg.
 
2014-06-11 11:47:56 AM
img.fark.net
Awww jeeze....
 
2014-06-11 11:47:56 AM
O'Connor, maybe. Not the parts he played though. Classic Archie: 'Christian voisus Catholic'
 
2014-06-11 11:49:29 AM
I did see him shait in the woods once.
 
2014-06-11 11:49:33 AM
s2.quickmeme.com

/seems relevant
 
2014-06-11 11:50:03 AM
Subby you're an idiot.


I got chance to meet Cardinal O'Connor back in the '80s at my church. Funny guy who seemed pretty laid back for a Cardinal.
 
2014-06-11 11:51:12 AM
You know who else was Jewish? Derpy derp. Figured I'd get that out of the way for those who say Hitler had a Jewish mom.
 
2014-06-11 11:53:04 AM
This communion taste like matzo.
 
2014-06-11 11:53:33 AM

LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).

mycathatesyou: Catholicism is a religion, not a race.


Well allow me to retort:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-06-11 11:56:47 AM
Uh, Jews can convert to Catholicism. That doesn't make them not Jewish in an ethnic sense, nor does it make them not Catholic in a religious sense. My mother's father's mother was a German Jew that converted to Catholicism and was active in Catholic organisations most of her life. She married a German Catholic and had my grandfather, which by some Jewish reckonings means my grandfather was a Jew, but he was never religiously anything but Catholic.
 
2014-06-11 12:03:17 PM

macadamnut: LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).
mycathatesyou: Catholicism is a religion, not a race.

Well allow me to retort:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 425x584]


That's pretty stupid

/Irish
//raised catholic
//you're wrong
 
2014-06-11 12:09:13 PM

LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).


but Judaism , at least according to Jews, IS.  If'n your mamma was Jewish, so are you.  Period.   It's a position Catholics  should appreciate given that they believe that , much like the Marines, there are no "ex" Catholics"  merely "lapsed" ones
 
2014-06-11 12:10:18 PM
So he only molests circumsized boys?
 
2014-06-11 12:11:01 PM
Early Christians were Jewish.

In fact, many believed you needed to be Jewish in order to be Christian.
 
2014-06-11 12:14:26 PM
If your mother determines if you are Jewish, why is the OT full of begats that only mention men?  I have wondered about this ever since first hearing about this.  Sometimes a mother will get a passing mention, but whole chapters are dedicated to so and so was the son of so and so who was the son of so and so.
 
2014-06-11 12:19:47 PM

Magorn: LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).

but Judaism , at least according to Jews, IS.  If'n your mamma was Jewish, so are you.  Period.   It's a position Catholics  should appreciate given that they believe that , much like the Marines, there are no "ex" Catholics"  merely "lapsed" ones


You can be a Jew, culturally or biologically, and still be a Catholic. Difference between identity and practice.

/I'm a Unitarian Universalist of the secular humanist persuasion, and I've met plenty of Jewish UUs, including some that keep kosher and observe the Sabbath.
 
2014-06-11 12:21:53 PM
Troll-tastic headline, Subby.

x1.fjcdn.com
 
2014-06-11 12:23:34 PM
It's why the Yeshiva and the Cardinal's Residence in Philly are only a few blocks apart.
 
2014-06-11 12:25:34 PM

LazyMedia: Magorn: LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).

but Judaism , at least according to Jews, IS.  If'n your mamma was Jewish, so are you.  Period.   It's a position Catholics  should appreciate given that they believe that , much like the Marines, there are no "ex" Catholics"  merely "lapsed" ones

You can be a Jew, culturally or biologically, and still be a Catholic. Difference between identity and practice.

/I'm a Unitarian Universalist of the secular humanist persuasion, and I've met plenty of Jewish UUs, including some that keep kosher and observe the Sabbath.


She Much more of the Conservative Jewish persuasion these days, But I have a dear friend who is a very Observant Jew who used to describe her religion as being "Brooklyn-based shamanistic Judaism"  but then she was of Russian descent and came from a long line of Rabbis on one side of the family and the other side claimed descent from the Baba Yaga herself
 
2014-06-11 12:31:45 PM

dittybopper: How would he not be Catholic?

Ideology != Genealogy


Explain "Jewish state" that is somehow not a theocracy, then.

/Could've used the Vatican or Nazi "racial" theories as well, but I'm feeling a touch trolly.
 
2014-06-11 12:32:37 PM

macadamnut: LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).
mycathatesyou: Catholicism is a religion, not a race.

Well allow me to retort:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 425x584]


Ask the people in the northern part about that.
 
2014-06-11 12:32:41 PM
cherryl taggart

If your mother determines if you are Jewish, why is the OT full of begats that only mention men? I have wondered about this ever since first hearing about this. Sometimes a mother will get a passing mention, but whole chapters are dedicated to so and so was the son of so and so who was the son of so and so.

Obviously, there was a cultural shift in attitude, but no one really knows why, including Jews.

It's worth mentioning, though, that many Reform and Reconstructionist Jews allow patrilineal descent as a measure of "Jewishness" based on that fact (that it's obviously been done before, as recorded in Jewish scripture).
 
2014-06-11 12:38:12 PM

LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).


So why is there so much genetic material splashed on the altar boys?
 
2014-06-11 12:42:37 PM

cherryl taggart: If your mother determines if you are Jewish, why is the OT full of begats that only mention men?  I have wondered about this ever since first hearing about this.  Sometimes a mother will get a passing mention, but whole chapters are dedicated to so and so was the son of so and so who was the son of so and so.


Genesis is the "Book of Begats." Numbers 27:7 states that God gave the Israelites a gift that the bloodline would pass to daughters if no male heirs were born. Numbers 36:4 then has Moses state that "the inheritance" belongs to the women as long as they marry within their own tribe.

So, with those two passages from Numbers, Jews have developed a matrilineality.
 
2014-06-11 12:50:33 PM

Crewmannumber6: macadamnut: LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).
mycathatesyou: Catholicism is a religion, not a race.

Well allow me to retort:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 425x584]

That's pretty stupid

/Irish
//raised catholic
//you're wrong


Me too. And if I were wrong I would know it from the strange and totally unfamiliar sensation in my Irish white trash bones...

DrunkWithImpotence:

Ask the people in the northern part about that.


That was sort of my point. Ask Ian Paisley if people are born catholic.
 
2014-06-11 12:59:11 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: cherryl taggart: If your mother determines if you are Jewish, why is the OT full of begats that only mention men?  I have wondered about this ever since first hearing about this.  Sometimes a mother will get a passing mention, but whole chapters are dedicated to so and so was the son of so and so who was the son of so and so.

Genesis is the "Book of Begats." Numbers 27:7 states that God gave the Israelites a gift that the bloodline would pass to daughters if no male heirs were born. Numbers 36:4 then has Moses state that "the inheritance" belongs to the women as long as they marry within their own tribe.

So, with those two passages from Numbers, Jews have developed a matrilineality.


Jewishness, in the OT is matrilineal, but all property and inheritance rights was by partrilineal primogeniture.   So the begats established the rights to rule for a given king or leader even though his Jewish Identity came from his mother's side.   This si why Matthew in his Gospel carefully lists both Jesus' male and female ancestors,  to establish his unquestioned "Jewishness" as well as his descent from Jewish Royalty and the line of David through his (step) father Joseph
 
2014-06-11 12:59:33 PM
You know who else judged people to be Jewish based on their ancestry?
 
2014-06-11 01:08:50 PM

JamesBCrazy: You know who else judged people to be Jewish based on their ancestry?


Moses?
 
2014-06-11 01:09:08 PM

Valiente: dittybopper: How would he not be Catholic?

Ideology != Genealogy

Explain "Jewish state" that is somehow not a theocracy, then.

/Could've used the Vatican or Nazi "racial" theories as well, but I'm feeling a touch trolly.


Why?  WTF should I care one way or the other?  And why do *YOU* care?
 
2014-06-11 01:24:07 PM

LazyMedia: JamesBCrazy: You know who else judged people to be Jewish based on their ancestry?

Moses?


Mel Brooks?
Philip Roth?
 
2014-06-11 01:24:25 PM

dittybopper: How would he not be Catholic?

Ideology != Genealogy


Don't try to reason with an idiot. Subby is an idiot, obviously.
 
2014-06-11 01:26:36 PM

Magorn: LazyMedia: Subby doesn't know how Christianity works (hint: it's not genetic).

but Judaism , at least according to Jews, IS.  If'n your mamma was Jewish, so are you.  Period.   It's a position Catholics  should appreciate given that they believe that , much like the Marines, there are no "ex" Catholics"  merely "lapsed" ones


Oh, REALLY? So, you're saying that, if a Jew VOLUNTARILY seeks out another religion, people in those religions MUST TURN THE JEW AWAY?

Typical racism masquerading as "progressivism".
 
2014-06-11 01:45:44 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Uh, Jews can convert to Catholicism. That doesn't make them not Jewish in an ethnic sense, nor does it make them not Catholic in a religious sense. My mother's father's mother was a German Jew that converted to Catholicism and was active in Catholic organisations most of her life. She married a German Catholic and had my grandfather, which by some Jewish reckonings means my grandfather was a Jew, but he was never religiously anything but Catholic.


My maternal grandfather's name is obliquely Jewish. Maybe, Maybe not. Two of his matrilineal antecedents were named Stern and Wolf. My DNA shows my sibs and I to be 1/128th Ashkenazi. I figure  that there was a conversion in there 6 or 7 generations back, Now, if it had been my mother's mother, well, then I could have 1/128th Ashkenazi genes and be as Jewish as the Prime Minister of Israel. Instead, we're all just dull as dirt English Catholics.
 
2014-06-11 01:46:15 PM
i1.ytimg.com

... what doesn't b'long 'n why?
 
2014-06-11 01:48:18 PM
Obligatory:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=foeoed-OywE
 
2014-06-11 02:44:35 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: cherryl taggart: If your mother determines if you are Jewish, why is the OT full of begats that only mention men?  I have wondered about this ever since first hearing about this.  Sometimes a mother will get a passing mention, but whole chapters are dedicated to so and so was the son of so and so who was the son of so and so.

Genesis is the "Book of Begats." Numbers 27:7 states that God gave the Israelites a gift that the bloodline would pass to daughters if no male heirs were born. Numbers 36:4 then has Moses state that "the inheritance" belongs to the women as long as they marry within their own tribe.

So, with those two passages from Numbers, Jews have developed a matrilineality.


The tradition of the Jewish Mother bears this out as well.
 
2014-06-11 03:42:43 PM

yakmans_dad: My DNA shows my sibs and I to be 1/128th Ashkenazi.


I ain't no Squinting At A Map Of Your DNA man, but I think that doesn't mean anything.

IOW I'm making up a margin of error, and you're well within it. IOW I'm guessing that's the same neolithic Fertile Crescent signal that all Euros carry.
 
2014-06-11 03:44:44 PM
God made Christ John a holy Jew
God made Him a Christian too
Paradoxes populate my car

/C'mon, You know the chorus
 
2014-06-11 04:52:25 PM

Sweet Bucky: Awww jeeze....


Pope Frank is a meathead.

/All I got
 
2014-06-11 05:06:21 PM
What about Father O'Malley O'Connel O'Carrol O'Reilly O'Brian O'Sullivan (who is also italian)?
 
2014-06-11 06:54:49 PM
So, he's a crypto-Jew?  Do we need to alert the Inquisition?
 
2014-06-11 09:48:29 PM

Fark like a Barsoomian: yakmans_dad: My DNA shows my sibs and I to be 1/128th Ashkenazi.

I ain't no Squinting At A Map Of Your DNA man, but I think that doesn't mean anything.

IOW I'm making up a margin of error, and you're well within it. IOW I'm guessing that's the same neolithic Fertile Crescent signal that all Euros carry.


Nobody else that I've been matched up with on Ancestry.com has that in their profile.
 
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