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(Gawker)   Joseph Robert Wilcox was a good guy with a gun. On Sunday, it cost him his life   (gawker.com) divider line 738
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2014-06-11 05:48:56 AM  
So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?  That one should never try to stop someone who is murdering everyone in sight?

Should the kid who recently pepper sprayed and tackled a shooter, have not done that?  Because it was risky and he should have let the shooter kill more people until the police arrived?  Mass shootings are typically finished by the time the police arrive.
 
2014-06-11 06:10:17 AM  

NFA: So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?


No, the message is:
 
2014-06-11 06:14:06 AM  
www.quickmeme.com
This is much more insulting than the one I wanted to post. Just ignore the first half of the blurb.
 
2014-06-11 06:15:52 AM  

doglover: No, the message is:


Eat your oatmeal.
 
2014-06-11 07:41:22 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: doglover: No, the message is:


Don't forget your bullet proof blanky.
 
2014-06-11 07:41:23 AM  
This type of thing is going to happen more and more now that everyone has access to firearms. In the end, it a problem that takes care of itself. But I pity all those that have to get caught in the crossfire. But we just have to note them as acceptable losses for our freedoms. True patriots, every last one of them.
 
2014-06-11 07:41:52 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: doglover: No, the message is:

Eat your oatmeal.


Drink your ovaltine
 
2014-06-11 07:42:06 AM  
Don't forget the two police officers. They had guns too.

Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

At least, it is more likely to harm you than help you.

So far, the only time I heard someone with a gun was able to stop a bad guy are either military or police officers in plain clothes.
 
2014-06-11 07:44:25 AM  

mayIFark: Don't forget the two police officers. They had guns too.

Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

At least, it is more likely to harm you than help you.

So far, the only time I heard someone with a gun was able to stop a bad guy are either military or police officers in plain clothes.


That should get some bites. Well done.
 
2014-06-11 07:44:29 AM  
I live in a seedy neighborhood and even the dumbass thieves around here have backup.
 
2014-06-11 07:45:15 AM  

doglover: NFA: So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?

No, the message is:


You may not stop the bad guy with the gun, but you'll get 15 minutes of internet fame after you're dead. Doesn't that sound like a great deal!
 
2014-06-11 07:46:32 AM  

doglover: NFA: So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?

No, the message is:



If somebody really wants to shoot you, they'll likely find a way to make it happen.
Sleep well tonight.
 
2014-06-11 07:46:44 AM  

NFA: Should the kid who recently pepper sprayed and tackled a shooter, have not done that?


i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-06-11 07:46:56 AM  

mayIFark: Don't forget the two police officers. They had guns too.

Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

At least, it is more likely to harm you than help you.

So far, the only time I heard someone with a gun was able to stop a bad guy are either military or police officers in plain clothes.


It worked out for George Zimmerman.
 
2014-06-11 07:47:03 AM  
Simple rule:  Don't try to out-thug a thug.

A thug with a firearm is far more willing to kill without remorse or hesitation than a "good guy with a gun".  Good guys have consciences, which gets in the way.

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle. It is your killer instinct which must be harnessed if you expect to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill. You will become dead marines and then you will be in a world of shiat because marines are not allowed to die without permission. Do you maggots understand? " ~ Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, Full Metal Jacket
 
2014-06-11 07:47:49 AM  
My gun rights buddies are treating this guy like a hero, and they're saying things like: geez, the girl didn't identify herself as a shooter!  She ambushed him!  They also say that the guy died because he was alone versus two people.  This is all as if there are some sort of rules that mass murderers have to follow.  Guess what?  You can be armed out the wazoo, but if someone gets the jump on you, you're pretty much done.

And, from the way the story reads, it sounds like the guy may have been having a Clint Eastwood moment.  He had the main shooter in his sights and then the woman pulled a weapon out of her purse and shot him from behind.
 
2014-06-11 07:47:53 AM  

mayIFark: Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.


Certainly helped the two cops that got killed, didn't it?
 
2014-06-11 07:48:40 AM  
All it takes to stop a good guy with a gun is a bad guy with a gun.
 
2014-06-11 07:51:01 AM  
I love how a "good guy with a gun" can then immediately suss up any situation and be ready to solve it with his gun. Maybe the cops were really lizard people and that couple was trying to stop an invasion and here comes Joe NRA who lets us all get invaded. Thanks ass.

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2014-06-11 07:52:00 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: My gun rights buddies are treating this guy like a hero, and they're saying things like: geez, the girl didn't identify herself as a shooter!  She ambushed him!  They also say that the guy died because he was alone versus two people.  This is all as if there are some sort of rules that mass murderers have to follow.  Guess what?  You can be armed out the wazoo, but if someone gets the jump on you, you're pretty much done.

And, from the way the story reads, it sounds like the guy may have been having a Clint Eastwood moment.  He had the main shooter in his sights and then the woman pulled a weapon out of her purse and shot him from behind.


And, ironically enough, HE (victim) was going to have the shooter by surprise.
 
2014-06-11 07:52:09 AM  

SpdrJay: All it takes to stop a good guy with a gun is a bad guy with a gun.


Well, to be accurate, in this case it takes a second bad guy (bad gal?) with a gun to back up the first bad guy with the gun, and shoot the good guy in the back.
 
2014-06-11 07:52:59 AM  

dittybopper: mayIFark: Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

Certainly helped the two cops that got killed, didn't it?


It might have if they were not busy eating. There are other factors like these too, you have to keep that in mind.

I never said, it is a guaranteed thing. If you have training, you stand a chance. No training means no chance.
 
2014-06-11 07:55:03 AM  

foo monkey: mayIFark: Don't forget the two police officers. They had guns too.

Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

At least, it is more likely to harm you than help you.

So far, the only time I heard someone with a gun was able to stop a bad guy are either military or police officers in plain clothes.

It worked out for George Zimmerman.


It sure did. But not too well for Martin, though. I guess good and bad are relative terms.
 
2014-06-11 07:55:24 AM  
We had our biases in this argument. My wife is the child of a cop who's lost a partner in a shootout and had a lifetime of run-ins with wannabe civilian heroes. My father is one of those wannabe heroes. So am I. Dad and I have had our concealed carry permits for a combined 42 years. We love guns. We believe in self-reliance and self-protection.

That couldn't possibly be part of the greater problem of our gun culture, could it?
 
2014-06-11 07:55:48 AM  
I'm really starting to warm up to America's preversions about guns. From all angles it's starting to look like population control via extreme solutions such as eugenics, or forced sterelization, or 'baby licenses' simply won't need to be discussed ever, as there seems to be a burgeoning, and seemingly indescriminate, culling of the herd by the herd, whilst allowing the herd to think that it was their constitutionally protected liberties that kept the problem in check in the first place. By the people, for the people.

Good job America, I'm glad y'all take care of your own, and with such nationally accepted enthusiasm, too!
 
2014-06-11 07:56:57 AM  
Pretty level headed article for the gun fetishists here on Fark. Read it, maybe you'll have 2nd thoughts about your internet tough guy attitude the next time you post about us pussies who don't need to be strapped to the gills when we leave our homes.
 
2014-06-11 07:57:11 AM  
Never start a fight you haven't already won. Mr. Wilcox, for all his heroic pretensions, failed to do that. Ms. Miller, on the other hand, won the fight she started that Mr. Wilcox never even knew he was in.
 
2014-06-11 07:57:48 AM  
This is what I have been telling "I'm gerna be der big hero with muh gunz." people would happen for years now. What you got now Wayne LaPierre?
 
2014-06-11 07:58:58 AM  
We love guns. We believe in self-reliance and self-protection.

But as the years go on and the country gets crazier-stirred up by paranoiacs, political hardliners, lobbyists, and simple gun-fetishists


As opposed to the complex gun-fetishists.

Oh, I'm sure there's a difference between the enthusiast who owns 100 guns because he loves guns and the guy who owns 100 guns because the zombies, the gummint and the mooslims will all be on his doorstep one day wanting some. You just can't have one gun for all that. That would be a supergun and Obama has the plans for it locked up at Area 51.
 
2014-06-11 08:00:13 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: My gun rights buddies are treating this guy like a hero,


He was.  Now go cower in the potato chip aisle and home the shooters gun down the little girl in front of you first.  Maybe the police will get there in time, this time.
 
2014-06-11 08:00:57 AM  

doglover: NFA: So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?

No, the message is:


Odds of losing a gun fight in a Vegas Walmart are 2:1?
 
2014-06-11 08:01:50 AM  
"My father is one of those wannabe heroes. So am I. "

Gun ownership in a nutshell. They're living in their own, private, fantasy land where they're VALIANT DEFENDERS of FREEDOM, APPLE PIE and AMERICA!

Tjops. On the plus side... entertainment..
 
2014-06-11 08:02:38 AM  
"My father is one of those wannabe heroes. So am I. Dad and I have had our concealed carry permits for a combined 42 years. We love guns. We believe in self-reliance and self-protection. "
Being British, I find this paragraph immensely disturbing. What the actual fark is wrong with you people, and your society, that makes you feel have to carry deadly weapons with you everywhere?
 
2014-06-11 08:02:50 AM  

NFA: So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?  That one should never try to stop someone who is murdering everyone in sight?

Should the kid who recently pepper sprayed and tackled a shooter, have not done that?  Because it was risky and he should have let the shooter kill more people until the police arrived?  Mass shootings are typically finished by the time the police arrive.


No th message is things don't always work out like they do in the movies. Sometimes the bad guy wins. So if you're going to do something like that make sure it's worth your f*cking life.
 
2014-06-11 08:03:05 AM  

doglover: No, the message is:


Don't push me, 'cos I'm close to the edge
I'm tryin' not to lose my head, huh-huh-huh-huh-huh

It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under
 
2014-06-11 08:03:44 AM  

dittybopper: mayIFark: Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

Certainly helped the two cops that got killed, didn't it?


False equivalence. "No untrained person is helped by a gun" does not equal "All trained people are helped by a gun."
 
2014-06-11 08:04:41 AM  
This article was actually a very honest insight into the reality that "the typical gun owner" faces these days.  Good read, subby.
 
2014-06-11 08:04:59 AM  

Cozret: doglover: NFA: So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?

No, the message is:

You may not stop the bad guy with the gun, but you'll get 15 minutes of internet fame after you're dead. Doesn't that sound like a great deal!


If you watch your ass, you don't even have to die.

Seriously, situational awareness. It's important.
 
2014-06-11 08:05:18 AM  
Another gun thread??

www.troll.me
 
2014-06-11 08:05:20 AM  
The message is that open carry gun nuts think Applebee's is a Call of Duty level.
 
2014-06-11 08:06:12 AM  
Those two were freedom fighting revolutionaries and this Wilcox asshole was a fascist loyalist attempting to aid the state. Who's the real bad guy here?
 
2014-06-11 08:06:37 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: We love guns. We believe in self-reliance and self-protection.

But as the years go on and the country gets crazier-stirred up by paranoiacs, political hardliners, lobbyists, and simple gun-fetishists

As opposed to the complex gun-fetishists.

Oh, I'm sure there's a difference between the enthusiast who owns 100 guns because he loves guns and the guy who owns 100 guns because the zombies, the gummint and the mooslims will all be on his doorstep one day wanting some. You just can't have one gun for all that. That would be a supergun and Obama has the plans for it locked up at Area 51.


Or is in pieces in orbit around Fhloston Paradise.
 
2014-06-11 08:06:39 AM  

NFA: So the message we're to take is that one should never be a good guy?  That one should never try to stop someone who is murdering everyone in sight?

Should the kid who recently pepper sprayed and tackled a shooter, have not done that?  Because it was risky and he should have let the shooter kill more people until the police arrived?  Mass shootings are typically finished by the time the police arrive.



The message is being a "good guy with a gun" doesn't guarantee success, because gun nuts don't realize that John Wayne and Richard Boone were just actors.

Since you brought up Jon Meis... we can also say that a gun isn't always necessary to stop someone with a gun.

In other words, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is a fundamentally flawed premise and anyone who seriously proposes it as an argument should probably be excluded from the conversation.
=Smidge=
 
2014-06-11 08:07:12 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Who's the real bad guy here?


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"Hey yo."
 
2014-06-11 08:07:21 AM  
The universe of scenarios in which carrying a gun seems prudent or useful just keeps shrinking and shrinking, even as the legal freedom to wield personal firepower keeps expanding.

I`ll just leave this here,

tl;dr carrying a gun keeps getting more of a bad idea as time goes on.
 
2014-06-11 08:07:50 AM  

mayIFark: foo monkey: mayIFark: Don't forget the two police officers. They had guns too.

Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

At least, it is more likely to harm you than help you.

So far, the only time I heard someone with a gun was able to stop a bad guy are either military or police officers in plain clothes.

It worked out for George Zimmerman.

It sure did. But not too well for Martin, though. I guess good and bad are relative terms.


From what I hear from Fark Independents the difference between bad and good is as clear as black and white.
 
2014-06-11 08:07:51 AM  
Yeah, this thread is going to be a fun mess of people who didn't bother finishing the article. I almost didn't but am glad I did because the point he makes is literally the exact opposite of the point he sounds like he's going to make for the first half of the article.

I'm glad I resisted the urge to jump in and counter some points at the beginning. That could have been embarrassing.
 
2014-06-11 08:07:58 AM  
FTA: "Back when the licenses were still a new thing and the required instructional classes weren't a joke, my dad's class was run through a host of scenarios: You're broken down on a dirt road in the middle of the night. A black dude in a Cutty pulls up behind you, gets out, comes out with a tire-iron. What do you do? Half my dad's class said to shoot the black man."

I...I don't even know how to respond to this.
 
2014-06-11 08:09:00 AM  

pnome: Now go cower in the potato chip aisle and home the shooters gun down the little girl in front of you first.


Almost achieved a certain kind of poetry with that little slice of illiteracy.
 
2014-06-11 08:09:02 AM  

mayIFark: Don't forget the two police officers. They had guns too.

Regardless of what NRA might want you to believe, unless you are highly trained, your gun is not going to help you or anyone else.

At least, it is more likely to harm you than help you.

So far, the only time I heard someone with a gun was able to stop a bad guy are either military or police officers in plain clothes.


You might need to listen a little more closely.

Listen
 
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