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(PennLive)   Parents: Our daughter has been randomly tested for drugs five different times in three years and it always comes up negative, so we're not letting it happen again. School: Fine. We're kicking your daughter out of Honor Society   (pennlive.com ) divider line
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2014-06-10 05:53:42 PM  
I was in all of that National Honor Society bullshiat and we were never drug tested. And if they're singling out National Honor students for drugs, aren't they admitting that drugs make people smarter? Isn't that a pro-drug stance?
 
2014-06-10 05:55:54 PM  
Leila May was drug-tested once during her fifth grade year, once in sixth grade and three times as a seventh grader because Susquenita School District randomly tests students in grades five through 12 who participate in extracurricular activities and apply for parking permits.

Wow.  What utter bullshiat.
 
2014-06-10 06:02:45 PM  
How much you want to bet that she was "randomly" test because they knew she would come back negative?

The school doesn't want to admit to to a drug problem.
 
2014-06-10 06:04:44 PM  
opiates (including heroin and crack),

Has crack changed recently?
 
2014-06-10 06:05:06 PM  
They drug test students at PUBLIC SCHOOLS?  That is pretty outrageous.  I remember back when someone just needed to make sure to have all their vaccinations in order and a physical to do extracirricular activities.
 
2014-06-10 06:06:46 PM  
"Susquenita School District randomly tests students in grades five through 12 who participate in extracurricular activities and apply for parking permits."


You can get a parking permit in fifth grade?  Awesome!
 
2014-06-10 06:07:33 PM  
It costs the district $50,000 a year to administer these tests, and only 3 kids have come back positive in the past 5 years of testing. So this district has spent $250,000 victimizing kids in the past 5 years to find 3 possible drug users. Sounds like BS to me.
 
2014-06-10 06:17:08 PM  

BadReligion: It costs the district $50,000 a year to administer these tests, and only 3 kids have come back positive in the past 5 years of testing. So this district has spent $250,000 victimizing kids in the past 5 years to find 3 possible drug users. Sounds like BS to me.


They're preparing them for the outside world.

good training.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 06:18:57 PM  
They're looking for Molly.
 
2014-06-10 06:30:54 PM  

BadReligion: It costs the district $50,000 a year to administer these tests, and only 3 kids have come back positive in the past 5 years of testing. So this district has spent $250,000 victimizing kids in the past 5 years to find 3 possible drug users. Sounds like BS to me.



That's a different district from the one where the girl attends school.  But I would be interested to know how much money they spent on drug testing in her district.

I've been on a random drug testing program most of my life and I've been nailed maybe three times.  I have known many, *many* people and while I've seen people get chosen more than others, I don't think I know anyone who was called up five times in three years.  It's possible for sure but their data would show if their system is truly random.  Considering that the testing only applies to a sub-set of the whole I'm betting that they are either not randomizing or testing too much.  And considering it is $20+ a pop, (i.e. there's money involved), over testing wouldn't surprise me.
 
2014-06-10 06:33:16 PM  
how about we stop giving this drug testing companies huge kickbacks and instead try I don't know talking to the kids? Not at them ala DARE and telling them if you do these you are bad but create a place where kids who want to use drugs for non-recreational reasons have adults they can talk to, counselors, social workers, teachers, etc... As for recreational uses honestly if they are a teen and smart enough not to get caught than go be merry
 
2014-06-10 06:34:18 PM  

UberDave: BadReligion: It costs the district $50,000 a year to administer these tests, and only 3 kids have come back positive in the past 5 years of testing. So this district has spent $250,000 victimizing kids in the past 5 years to find 3 possible drug users. Sounds like BS to me.


That's a different district from the one where the girl attends school.  But I would be interested to know how much money they spent on drug testing in her district.

I've been on a random drug testing program most of my life and I've been nailed maybe three times.  I have known many, *many* people and while I've seen people get chosen more than others, I don't think I know anyone who was called up five times in three years.  It's possible for sure but their data would show if their system is truly random.  Considering that the testing only applies to a sub-set of the whole I'm betting that they are either not randomizing or testing too much.  And considering it is $20+ a pop, (i.e. there's money involved), over testing wouldn't surprise me.


Or they didn't check for doubles, girl is in multiple clubs and they have her listed for each and "randomize" off those lists so she has a much higher chance of coming up
 
2014-06-10 07:10:22 PM  

BadReligion: It costs the district $50,000 a year to administer these tests, and only 3 kids have come back positive in the past 5 years of testing. So this district has spent $250,000 victimizing kids in the past 5 years to find 3 possible drug users. Sounds like BS to me.


Sounds like the administration has a relative in the drug testing business.
 
2014-06-10 07:11:16 PM  

Relatively Obscure: opiates (including heroin and crack),

Has crack changed recently?


If they're going to keep insisting cocaine is a narcotic then it's not too far a stretch to claim it's an opiate too.
 
2014-06-10 07:12:18 PM  
zedster: As for recreational uses honestly if they are a teen and smart enough not to get caught than go be merry

but that is the optimal time to get caught
 
2014-06-10 07:12:20 PM  
How much do we want to bet that the "random" drug tests are actually profiling certain students because of their parents' income level.
 
2014-06-10 07:12:45 PM  
Bunch of degenerates on that school board probably get off on having warm, fresh piss.
 
2014-06-10 07:13:03 PM  
[grumpycatGOOD.jpg]

If she will not submit to random drug testing, then she has no place in National Honor Society.

Your privacy is less important than insuring a safe, drug-free school environment.  Why, it's almost as if you whackos want our children to be exposed to drugs.

Besides, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
 
2014-06-10 07:14:33 PM  
Weird. My high school girlfriend's name was Leila May. That was the only time I have seen that name.

This is probably the result of some stupid "all extra-curricular activities will be tested" policy that just encourages kids to avoid extra-curricular activities.
 
2014-06-10 07:14:38 PM  

Ambivalence: They drug test students at PUBLIC SCHOOLS?  That is pretty outrageous.  I remember back when someone just needed to make sure to have all their vaccinations in order and a physical to do extracirricular activities.


Oh, never mind about those big-Pharma-feeding vaccinations.  But you better pee into that jar if you want to get anywhere in life.
 
2014-06-10 07:16:35 PM  
DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible and they do nothing to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!
DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible because they do something to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!
 
2014-06-10 07:16:51 PM  

Parthenogenetic: [grumpycatGOOD.jpg]

If she will not submit to random drug testing, then she has no place in National Honor Society.

Your privacy is less important than insuring a safe, drug-free school environment.  Why, it's almost as if you whackos want our children to be exposed to drugs.

Besides, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.


Your troll is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2014-06-10 07:17:44 PM  
Can someone summarize how this is Obama's fault? I'm feeling too lazy to piece it together.
 
2014-06-10 07:17:54 PM  

WinoRhino: DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible and they do nothing to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!
DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible because they do something to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!


Security theater, how does it work?
 
2014-06-10 07:18:43 PM  
Someone in the administration knows someone at the lab. It's just another crony deal made possible by your tax dollars. $50k for one school to catch three students in two years? What a colossal waste of money and time.
 
2014-06-10 07:19:34 PM  
The day my kids' school demands my kids' bodily fluids is the day they stop attending that school. I have never been drug tested for work and I refuse to work anywhere that makes bullshiat demands like that. (to be fair, I do not pilot an airplane) The bar on my bs-meter is set even lower for my minor-aged children.

As always, follow the money. Who provides these drug testing "services" to the school? My bet is that it's the principal's brother, the mayor's uncle, someone on the school board, or some senator's son.
 
2014-06-10 07:19:40 PM  
Susquenita School District? Slowly I turned...
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 07:19:41 PM  

tlars699: How much do we want to bet that the "random" drug tests are actually profiling certain students because of their parents' income level.


wat
 
2014-06-10 07:20:01 PM  
Obligatory:


imgs.xkcd.com


/seems she was no longer honorable
 
2014-06-10 07:20:20 PM  

Mugato: I was in all of that National Honor Society bullshiat and we were never drug tested. And if they're singling out National Honor students for drugs, aren't they admitting that drugs make people smarter? Isn't that a pro-drug stance?


Odds are:
They used to do just the jocks, but then the jocks started whining like biatches that they're being picked up by the school, so they extended it to ALL clubs "to be fair."
 
2014-06-10 07:21:11 PM  
If the school were a little smarter, they would remove already tested people from the random sample pool for 6 months or a year before they were eligible for another random test.  Its not hard to do, and it actually makes the testing cover a larger pool of people.

Many companies do it this way for that reason.
 
2014-06-10 07:21:38 PM  

El_Perro: Leila May was drug-tested once during her fifth grade year, once in sixth grade and three times as a seventh grader because Susquenita School District randomly tests students in grades five through 12 who participate in extracurricular activities and apply for parking permits.

Wow.  What utter bullshiat.


Totally agree. When I was in High School, I was never drug tested and this was more or less a school in the armpit of society. Parking permits were provided to us based on our grades. If you did at least decent in school, you got rewarded, if you didn't then you wouldn't have any extracurricular things to do (that make school bearable) or parking permits to bring your car to school.
 
2014-06-10 07:21:47 PM  
while I am ok with random testing in general, that was way too often, especially if the parents have to foot the bill for whatever the cost is. Even if it is 10$ a pop, 5 time in three years is excessive. she could get another 8 or so in her academic career.
 
2014-06-10 07:22:04 PM  
Welcome to paranoid Amerika. Holy shiat this is out of control. Seriously, if you read about this stuff happening in another country you would think it's some 3rd world shiathole.
 
2014-06-10 07:23:18 PM  
They need to throw in strip-searches and body-cavity examinations.
 
2014-06-10 07:23:22 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Mugato: I was in all of that National Honor Society bullshiat and we were never drug tested. And if they're singling out National Honor students for drugs, aren't they admitting that drugs make people smarter? Isn't that a pro-drug stance?

Odds are:
They used to do just the jocks, but then the jocks started whining like biatches that they're being picked up by the school, so they extended it to ALL clubs "to be fair."


yeppers, nailed it
 
2014-06-10 07:24:00 PM  

Director_Mr: If the school were a little smarter, they would remove already tested people from the random sample pool for 6 months or a year before they were eligible for another random test.  Its not hard to do, and it actually makes the testing cover a larger pool of people.

Many companies do it this way for that reason.


If they were even smarter, they would do away with this awful endeavor entirely, since it is both a waste of money and dehumanizing to the victims.
 
2014-06-10 07:24:32 PM  

fredmcmurray: The day my kids' school demands my kids' bodily fluids is the day they stop attending that school. I have never been drug tested for work and I refuse to work anywhere that makes bullshiat demands like that. (to be fair, I do not pilot an airplane) The bar on my bs-meter is set even lower for my minor-aged children.

As always, follow the money. Who provides these drug testing "services" to the school? My bet is that it's the principal's brother, the mayor's uncle, someone on the school board, or some senator's son.


Glancing Blow: They need to throw in strip-searches and body-cavity examinations.


vodka: Welcome to paranoid Amerika. Holy shiat this is out of control. Seriously, if you read about this stuff happening in another country you would think it's some 3rd world shiathole.


Tin foil stock is on the rise
 
2014-06-10 07:25:58 PM  
Susquenita Superintendent Kent Smith said during a recent interview with PennLive that he believes the policy, adopted in 2002, deters students from using drugs

No, it just deters them from extracurricular activities.


WinoRhino: DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible and they do nothing to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!
DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible because they do something to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!


Drug testing has almost nothing to do with "safety".
 
2014-06-10 07:26:21 PM  
Drug-testing costs Susquenita student honor society membership

After Michael and Melinda May's daughter was drug-tested five times in three years at Susquenita Middle School, they refused to sign a permission slip allowing it to happen again.

Without the permission slip signed, Leila was unable to participate in the National Junior Honor Society during her eighth-grade year, which ended last week. But Melinda May said that's what had to happen to ensure the 14-year-old wouldn't have to face another "embarrassing" urine test. All of Leila's tests came back negative, she said.


I guess journalism is dead.
sounds to me like the headline should have read;
Parents costs Susquenita student honor society membership
 
2014-06-10 07:27:29 PM  

433: tlars699: How much do we want to bet that the "random" drug tests are actually profiling certain students because of their parents' income level.

wat


Do I really have to explain 'profiling' to you?
Or that the school is given enough data on each student to profile with, such as annual income, address, etc?
And that students from lower income families have been shown to be at "higher risk" for dubious activities?

Really?
 
2014-06-10 07:27:48 PM  

Piizzadude: Tin foil stock is on the rise


Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/business/gov-rick-scotts-drug-test in g-policy-stirs-suspicio/nLq8f/
 
2014-06-10 07:27:49 PM  

fredmcmurray: The day my kids' school demands my kids' bodily fluids is the day they stop attending that school. I have never been drug tested for work and I refuse to work anywhere that makes bullshiat demands like that. (to be fair, I do not pilot an airplane) The bar on my bs-meter is set even lower for my minor-aged children.

As always, follow the money. Who provides these drug testing "services" to the school? My bet is that it's the principal's brother, the mayor's uncle, someone on the school board, or some senator's son.


Moving great deals of public money into the hands of various contractors is the point of the "public" schools, after all.
 
2014-06-10 07:28:06 PM  

fusillade762: Susquenita Superintendent Kent Smith said during a recent interview with PennLive that he believes the policy, adopted in 2002, deters students from using drugs

No, it just deters them from extracurricular activities.


WinoRhino: DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible and they do nothing to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!
DAMNIT!  The schools are horrible because they do something to ensure the safety and well-being of the students!

Drug testing has almost nothing to do with "safety".


Oh I know. I work in a school district. I was just being sarcastic.
 
2014-06-10 07:28:34 PM  

vodka: Welcome to paranoid Amerika. Holy shiat this is out of control. Seriously, if you read about this stuff happening in another country you would think it's some 3rd world shiathole.


Its not a 3rd world shiathole?
 
2014-06-10 07:29:44 PM  

Glancing Blow: They need to throw in strip-searches and body-cavity examinations.


img.fark.net
 
2014-06-10 07:29:46 PM  
Guilty until proven innocent.
 
2014-06-10 07:29:49 PM  
Schools are getting ridiculous with this shiat.

I went to a public highschool in Grass Valley, CA - one of the most whitebread places in California. While I was there, the WHOLE student body was subjected to not only random drug tests, but having our classrooms searched by drug dogs pretty much every other week. It's an incredible waste of money, and it makes kids feel even more like prisoners.

For the drug dog searches, a cop would waltz into our classrooms and tell everyone to put everything down. We'd all have to go outside and stand around while the cop had his dog rummage around our backpacks and everything else. When it was done, we all got to walk back in. The dude would stand at the door with his dog as we filed in - while he couldn't actually have the dog sniff out each kid, he could get away with it if the dog just "happened to pick up the smell".

My alma mater quite literally has an annual assembly to explain why drug dog searches aren't invasions of privacy and aren't vilifying the student body. IIRC, it was something along the lines of "If you are innocent, you have nothing to hide. You don't want dirty druggies to shoot up the school, right?"
 
2014-06-10 07:30:15 PM  

Ned Stark: vodka: Welcome to paranoid Amerika. Holy shiat this is out of control. Seriously, if you read about this stuff happening in another country you would think it's some 3rd world shiathole.

Its not a 3rd world shiathole?


Give it a few years, and check back. Or just head to Detroit now.
 
2014-06-10 07:31:02 PM  

AngryTeacher: Weird. My high school girlfriend's name was Leila May. That was the only time I have seen that name.


My great great aunt was named Leila May.  She was born in 1906.   How old are you?  Maybe she was your high school girlfriend?
 
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