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(Des Moines Register)   A white public HS teacher insisting black students address him with "yes sir, master" oh you'd better farking BELIEVE that's a firing...except, apparently, in Iowa, at least so long as the teacher is "extremely remorseful" afterwards   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 95
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2014-06-10 07:09:18 PM  
Does the school uniform include a hood, or is that optional?
 
2014-06-10 07:10:05 PM  
In fact, after hearing McCurtain's comment, Jabre admits he said: "Who the f--- are you talking to? You're nobody's master, and this is not the slave days."

Ha! Good on the kid for talking back.

She said she thinks the teacher needs to undergo diversity training - or if he's already had some, more.

So she doesn't know how much, but whatever the amount, it should be more? Does this make sense to anyone?
 
2014-06-10 07:34:10 PM  
Well, at least he didn't insist on calling all the boys "Toby".
 
2014-06-10 07:44:28 PM  

Atomic Spunk: So she doesn't know how much, but whatever the amount, it should be more? Does this make sense to anyone?


It made perfect sense to me - if he hasn't had diversity training, he needs it, and if he has had it, he needs more as it clearly hasn't sunk in.
 
2014-06-10 08:21:37 PM  
Didn't read article, but guessing it was at Bwana High.
 
2014-06-10 08:23:14 PM  
For some reason it is often very difficult to fire a teacher even if you have what most people would agree is a good cause to.
 
2014-06-10 08:23:53 PM  
Next, he'll be insisting on "Headmaster".
 
2014-06-10 08:24:00 PM  

Atomic Spunk: In fact, after hearing McCurtain's comment, Jabre admits he said: "Who the f--- are you talking to? You're nobody's master, and this is not the slave days."

Ha! Good on the kid for talking back.

She said she thinks the teacher needs to undergo diversity training - or if he's already had some, more.

So she doesn't know how much, but whatever the amount, it should be more? Does this make sense to anyone?


Kid's questioning authority.
Go back one thread.

aimtastic, your roll.
 
2014-06-10 08:24:38 PM  
Teacher's union.
 
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2014-06-10 08:24:53 PM  
"Dear teacher, go shove a hitching post up your ass"
Signed, student body
 
2014-06-10 08:24:57 PM  

Insertwitty Namehere: For some reason it is often very difficult to fire a teacher even if you have what most people would agree is a good cause to.


We just need to give this guy a huge raise. That is how you turn bad teachers into good teachers.
 
2014-06-10 08:25:42 PM  

Insertwitty Namehere: For some reason it is often very difficult to fire a teacher even if you have what most people would agree is a good cause to.


I don't think it's good cause too. So he said something stupid in a fit of pique. Maybe he was having a bad day. Who knows. But unless it was part of a pattern of conduct i don't think he should be fired. Warned, counseled, etc? Yes. Fired, no.
 
2014-06-10 08:26:15 PM  
Did he ask the kids to sing Camptown Ladies to start the day?
 
2014-06-10 08:28:19 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Well, at least he didn't insist on calling all the boys "Toby".


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2014-06-10 08:31:21 PM  
Damn near lost a fifty dollar handcar!
 
2014-06-10 08:32:47 PM  
Was the teacher implying that Jabre is a Sith?
 
2014-06-10 08:38:24 PM  

ManateeGag: Does the school uniform include a hood, or is that optional?


Only the white students are required to wear the hood. The black students are required to wear a necktie.

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2014-06-10 08:40:43 PM  
Nobody could be that stupid as to say that. Unless he was an assistant football coach.........
 
2014-06-10 08:41:10 PM  

oryx: Teacher's union.


This.

It took me so long to fire a unionized employee once, that I almost quit during the process of jumping through the HR hoops.
 
2014-06-10 08:42:29 PM  
Why did the article go to such length to make sure we know this student attends church, has improved in classes, etc.?  If he were not "clean and well spoken" would this teacher's comment be somehow more acceptable?

Fire this clown.
 
2014-06-10 08:42:37 PM  

BSABSVR: Did he ask the kids to sing Camptown Ladies to start the day?


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2014-06-10 08:44:26 PM  
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So one time he told one student to refer to him as "master," in what could have easily been an awkward attempt at playfulness,  and he's clearly -- without question -- racist.

As someone who finds himself blurting out awkward statements, that could sometimes be taken the wrong way, often in an attempt to break the tension of a stressful situation, I'm not ready to lynch this teacher.

I mean...
 
2014-06-10 08:44:35 PM  

Teufel Ritter: Why did the article go to such length to make sure we know this student attends church, has improved in classes, etc.?  If he were not "clean and well spoken" would this teacher's comment be somehow more acceptable?

Fire this clown.


He wasn't one of those Jamatheyons that are always causing trouble on your street with his welfare lotto tickets.
 
2014-06-10 08:45:56 PM  

oryx: Teacher's union.


In a right-to-mooch-off-the-union state.
 
2014-06-10 08:49:09 PM  

lostcat: [media2.giphy.com image 268x200]

So one time he told one student to refer to him as "master," in what could have easily been an awkward attempt at playfulness,  and he's clearly -- without question -- racist.

As someone who finds himself blurting out awkward statements, that could sometimes be taken the wrong way, often in an attempt to break the tension of a stressful situation, I'm not ready to lynch this teacher.

I mean...


Well, if one's outbursts are too inappropriate, one would not be suited to an office environment.  I think teachers ought to be able to maintain a professional demeanor under normal circumstances while on the clock.  I am not suggesting lynching the guy, but his lack of professionalism toward a student seems egregious enough to warrant termination.

Social awkwardness shouldn't be a pass to act unprofessional while on the job.  Figure it out, rein in your personality disorder.
 
2014-06-10 08:49:35 PM  

Teufel Ritter: Why did the article go to such length to make sure we know this student attends church, has improved in classes, etc.?  If he were not "clean and well spoken" would this teacher's comment be somehow more acceptable?

Fire this clown.


Apparently Trayvon Martin deserved to die because he flipped the bird at the camera in a picture posted to Facebook.
 
2014-06-10 08:50:53 PM  
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2014-06-10 08:51:07 PM  

lostcat: So one time he told one student to refer to him as "master," in what could have easily been an awkward attempt at playfulness, and he's clearly -- without question -- racist.


He may not have meant it in a hostile manner.  But nothing like that 'slips' unless you covertly think that way all the time.  The important thing isn't that he used a historically-racist word - it's that it strongly supports this teacher thinks 20% of his student body is inherently inferior.

All the more stupid since he doesn't even have the Paula Deen excuse of a historical tradition.  Iowa was never a slave state.  The only reason to tell a black man to call you Master is that you're a f*cking racist.
 
2014-06-10 08:51:55 PM  
blame tenure, luckily a Calif judge just threw out teacher tenure for k thru 12
grades
 
2014-06-10 08:55:17 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Teufel Ritter: Why did the article go to such length to make sure we know this student attends church, has improved in classes, etc.?  If he were not "clean and well spoken" would this teacher's comment be somehow more acceptable?

Fire this clown.

Apparently Trayvon Martin deserved to die because he flipped the bird at the camera in a picture posted to Facebook.


I'm not going to get into the Martin case all over again, but I will add that a teacher ought to be held to professional standards of decorum.  A teacher shouldn't really feel friendly enough with a student to engage in jokingly racist banter; and it doesn't even seem that was the case here.  Bad teacher should be dismissed; hopefully the taxpayers don't have to pay the settlement on a lawsuit.
 
2014-06-10 08:57:51 PM  

aimtastic: Atomic Spunk: So she doesn't know how much, but whatever the amount, it should be more? Does this make sense to anyone?

It made perfect sense to me - if he hasn't had diversity training, he needs it, and if he has had it, he needs more as it clearly hasn't sunk in.


I worked in a place that required all staff to watch a video every time a regulation was broken by anyone.

The same video.

All 124 minutes of it.

It was cruel and unusual punishment.
 
2014-06-10 09:00:18 PM  

lostcat: [media2.giphy.com image 268x200]

So one time he told one student to refer to him as "master," in what could have easily been an awkward attempt at playfulness,  and he's clearly -- without question -- racist.

As someone who finds himself blurting out awkward statements, that could sometimes be taken the wrong way, often in an attempt to break the tension of a stressful situation, I'm not ready to lynch this teacher.

I mean...


I'm having a hard time thinking of a scenario where a teacher would want to be called master aside from a racist joke or an unreported student sex scandal.
 
2014-06-10 09:03:35 PM  
syrynxx:

All the more stupid since he doesn't even have the Paula Deen excuse of a historical tradition.  Iowa was never a slave state.  The only reason to tell a black man to call you Master is that you're a f*cking racist.

Exactly...I lived in Iowa for five years. Most of the people I interacted with didn't have a lot of experience with racism at the same level that the people in the south, or more racially diverse areas do. I'm only saying that this guy could have been thinking of many different things besides:

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Just saying that rushing in and assuming this guy was letting something racist slip is making a big assumption.

Should he be more sensitive about how some words are received? Sure. But if this is his first offense, with no past complaints, I don't see how terminating a teacher benefits everyone in this situation. You have one student who was offended now shown the power of playing the race card, and you have to go out and find a new teacher.
 
2014-06-10 09:04:03 PM  

MagSeven: lostcat: [media2.giphy.com image 268x200]

So one time he told one student to refer to him as "master," in what could have easily been an awkward attempt at playfulness,  and he's clearly -- without question -- racist.

As someone who finds himself blurting out awkward statements, that could sometimes be taken the wrong way, often in an attempt to break the tension of a stressful situation, I'm not ready to lynch this teacher.

I mean...

I'm having a hard time thinking of a scenario where a teacher would want to be called master aside from a racist joke or an unreported student sex scandal.


Perhaps if the teacher just earned her Master's degree?
 
2014-06-10 09:07:02 PM  
I did that a few times when I was taking care of kids. Whenever I yelled "ZOMBIES, ATTACK!", they would form into a line, shuffling, stumbling and groaning with their arms outstretched. When I gave them a command, they responded with "Yessss, Massster!" But that was for all the kids, not just the black ones. It was a fun and convenient way to move them from place to place.
 
2014-06-10 09:08:59 PM  

buckler: I did that a few times when I was taking care of kids. Whenever I yelled "ZOMBIES, ATTACK!", they would form into a line, shuffling, stumbling and groaning with their arms outstretched. When I gave them a command, they responded with "Yessss, Massster!" But that was for all the kids, not just the black ones. It was a fun and convenient way to move them from place to place.


Yep, that's kind of how I would have interpreted it myself. "Slave master" would have been well down the list of things I assumed he was trying to make a joke about.

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2014-06-10 09:09:34 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Well, at least he didn't insist on calling all the boys "Toby".



That's the most efficient way. It's hard to tell them apart.

/so going to hell.
//Disclaimer: Not representative of my true feelings. If it will help, I am extremely remorseful.
 
2014-06-10 09:10:03 PM  
Maybe the teacher's Japanese.
 
2014-06-10 09:14:48 PM  
kids these days are so...


...uppity.
 
2014-06-10 09:15:12 PM  

buckler: I did that a few times when I was taking care of kids. Whenever I yelled "ZOMBIES, ATTACK!", they would form into a line, shuffling, stumbling and groaning with their arms outstretched. When I gave them a command, they responded with "Yessss, Massster!" But that was for all the kids, not just the black ones. It was a fun and convenient way to move them from place to place.


Subby embellished the headline, just a little...And made it sound like the teacher insisted that all his black students call him "master." The reality is about as far from that claim as you can get. He said it once, to one student, as he was telling the students to go down and take their big final exam. The student responded with "yes sir," which (if we're going to start making assumptions) I'm going to assume was delivered with sarcasm. The teacher shot back, probably also sarcastically, "that's sir, and master" (or something along those lines.)

Everyone is just so quick to assess this as:

1. Him intentionally being racist and deserving termination, or
2. Him unintentionally being racist and deserving termination.
 
2014-06-10 09:21:21 PM  

lostcat: buckler: I did that a few times when I was taking care of kids. Whenever I yelled "ZOMBIES, ATTACK!", they would form into a line, shuffling, stumbling and groaning with their arms outstretched. When I gave them a command, they responded with "Yessss, Massster!" But that was for all the kids, not just the black ones. It was a fun and convenient way to move them from place to place.

Subby embellished the headline, just a little...And made it sound like the teacher insisted that all his black students call him "master." The reality is about as far from that claim as you can get. He said it once, to one student, as he was telling the students to go down and take their big final exam. The student responded with "yes sir," which (if we're going to start making assumptions) I'm going to assume was delivered with sarcasm. The teacher shot back, probably also sarcastically, "that's sir, and master" (or something along those lines.)

Everyone is just so quick to assess this as:

1. Him intentionally being racist and deserving termination, or
2. Him unintentionally being racist and deserving termination.


The article indicates the instructor is "remorseful" about the comment.  Why would he be remorseful if it was along the lines of Dr. Frankestein to Igor?  Okay, maybe he just feels bad the comment had the result of hurting a student's feelings.  Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

Interestingly, the mother of the student doesn't seem to be requesting termination, only diversity training.

If I had an employee pull this crap while on the clock, I would probably terminate him.  Better to just avoid the headache.
 
2014-06-10 09:23:25 PM  

ManateeGag: Does the school uniform include a hood, or is that optional?


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2014-06-10 09:25:10 PM  
But SCOTUS told me racism was over?
 
2014-06-10 09:25:28 PM  
Should have been fired.  He should have known the racially sensitive way to force black students to address you is, "Yessuh, massa".

/ticket
 
2014-06-10 09:25:59 PM  
Teufel Ritter:

The article indicates the instructor is "remorseful" about the comment.  Why would he be remorseful if it was along the lines of Dr. Frankestein to Igor?  Okay, maybe he just feels bad the comment had the result of hurting a student's feelings.  Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

Interestingly, the mother of the student doesn't seem to be requesting termination, only diversity training.

If I had an employee pull this crap while on the clock, I would probably terminate him.  Better to just avoid the headache.


If I had said something that clearly upset someone I would be pretty damn remorseful, especially if I didn't mean to be offensive and someone took my words in a way I didn't intend. That's plenty of reason for remorse.
 
2014-06-10 09:28:07 PM  
Teufel Ritter:

If I had an employee pull this crap while on the clock, I would probably terminate him.  Better to just avoid the headache.

Hopefully you have an HR professional to go to for something like this. That would be a big decision to make based on very little information.  My entire argument is that we don't have enough information to evaluate this scenario.
 
2014-06-10 09:32:46 PM  

lostcat: Teufel Ritter:

The article indicates the instructor is "remorseful" about the comment.  Why would he be remorseful if it was along the lines of Dr. Frankestein to Igor?  Okay, maybe he just feels bad the comment had the result of hurting a student's feelings.  Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

Interestingly, the mother of the student doesn't seem to be requesting termination, only diversity training.

If I had an employee pull this crap while on the clock, I would probably terminate him.  Better to just avoid the headache.

If I had said something that clearly upset someone I would be pretty damn remorseful, especially if I didn't mean to be offensive and someone took my words in a way I didn't intend. That's plenty of reason for remorse.


Seriously?  Did you not read my post?
 
2014-06-10 09:34:51 PM  

lostcat: Teufel Ritter:

If I had an employee pull this crap while on the clock, I would probably terminate him.  Better to just avoid the headache.

Hopefully you have an HR professional to go to for something like this. That would be a big decision to make based on very little information.  My entire argument is that we don't have enough information to evaluate this scenario.


I would be deeply concerned that someone who cannot watch their mouth better than this around non-coworkers (even saying stuff like this around coworkers would be bad enough) might let some stupid comment like this fly in front of a client or potential client.  He would be let go very quickly; you cannot put your foot in your mouth in my industry and expect to keep a job.
 
2014-06-10 09:40:42 PM  

lostcat: Hopefully you have an HR professional to go to for something like this. That would be a big decision to make based on very little information.  My entire argument is that we don't have enough information to evaluate this scenario.


No. Your entire argument is based on fictional characters from TV, video games, and movies.

Outside of your relationship, telling someone to call you "Master", is - at best - a way of telling that you're a cock.
 
2014-06-10 09:43:56 PM  
Are we sure the kid isn't a padawan?
 
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