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(Ars Technica)   School principal cancels entire summer reading list program, because it contains a book that has a "positive view of questioning authority" and "lauds hacker culture." Pick up that can, student   (arstechnica.com) divider line 79
    More: Florida, Cory Doctorow, Boing Boing, hacker culture, Booker T. Washington, novels  
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2014-06-10 11:59:31 PM  
Jeansus farkers. There is some real Doctorow hate in this thread. I like the guy. A lot. "extremist?" Really. I think he's rather sedate. Stallman is extremist. I'm sure there others.
 
2014-06-11 12:06:13 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged


Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye
 
2014-06-11 12:08:45 AM  

Hickory-smoked: It's "Little Brother", isn't it?

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I might have been impressed if it was Neuromancer.
 
2014-06-11 12:43:53 AM  
I dunno ab "Lolita". As a mature adult, I see no harm in it, but in some school, someone in a real or imagined role of authority will decry it's promoting pedophilia.
All in all, I weep for Mankind.
 
2014-06-11 01:07:35 AM  

Dangl1ng: Jeansus farkers. There is some real Doctorow hate in this thread. I like the guy. A lot. "extremist?" Really. I think he's rather sedate. Stallman is extremist. I'm sure there others.


I'm sure he's a great guy in person, but in his writing he comes across like a whiny petulant twatbomb. Plus there was a period of about three weeks on BoingBoing where every single one of his posts was self-promotion of his crappy little novel. Literally. His ego is huge, his talent is not. He writes a lot -- I respect his discipline -- but sadly his output ranges from intolerable to just mediocre.

The main problem with Doctorow is that his self-confidence surpasses his talent to such a large degree. His prose oozes this. I could tolerate and even enjoy a writer with Doctorow-level talent but who was not so very, very in love with the smell of his own farts.
 
2014-06-11 01:16:59 AM  

DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye


Naked Lunch
 
2014-06-11 01:51:54 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged


Atlas Shrugged needs to be tempered with The Illuminatus! trilogy.
 
2014-06-11 01:54:59 AM  

WillyChase: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Naked Lunch


Breakfast of Champions
 
2014-06-11 01:58:08 AM  

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Considering book's title, the protagonist's online handle, and the plot outline, is this just a Young Adult ripoff of 1984?


Sorry to say I didn't make that connection. Thanks for pointing it out. Given your handle I suppose you had to notice.
 
2014-06-11 01:59:30 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged


Ugh. Atlas Shrugged? I suppose as an example of poor writing that completely ignores reality?
 
2014-06-11 02:05:42 AM  

rockforever: Kurt Vonnegut's response to his books being burned

Obligatory


I'm curious: how did that letter become public?
 
2014-06-11 02:43:58 AM  

DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye


Why do you hate high school students?
 
xcv
2014-06-11 05:25:04 AM  

Hickory-smoked: WillyChase: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Naked Lunch

Breakfast of Champions


The Chocolate War for younger students, no later than middle school.
 
2014-06-11 06:53:53 AM  
www.commentsyard.com
 
2014-06-11 07:20:30 AM  

gopher321: Watch your mouth, pig, I've got my crowbar.


Remember, when you're asked to pick up the can, you're helpless.  But considering the ensuing city-wide one-man slaughter, you probably kill that guy at some point in the game.
 
2014-06-11 08:31:40 AM  
The school's principal, E. Cartman, cited reviews that emphasized the novel's "positive view of questioning authority

He needed reviews for that? It says that it's a rousing tale of rebellion right on the cover.
 
2014-06-11 08:48:53 AM  

WillyChase: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Naked Lunch


pics.imcdb.org
 
2014-06-11 09:17:25 AM  

fusillade762: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Why do you hate high school students?


I would think they would get a giggle out of 10 page sections about chics shiatting in generals mouths.
 
2014-06-11 10:01:23 AM  
You know who else questioned authority and disapproved of "old fashioned" values?

Booker T. Washington.
 
2014-06-11 10:18:11 AM  

tom baker's scarf: Rwa2play: Ummm...wasn't questioning authority one of the reasons why this country was founded?

/loves me some double standards

Well you just need to makes sure you are questiong the things the authority wants you to question.


And remember service guarantees citizenship.


Can I know more?
 
2014-06-11 10:18:57 AM  

ManateeGag: So, the kids aren't allowed to read on their own?


I was just thinking "what a great way to get kids to read: tell them this book is bad and they shouldn't read it!"

Worked in the 80s with 'satanic' albums.
 
2014-06-11 11:05:26 AM  

xcv: Hickory-smoked: WillyChase: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Naked Lunch

Breakfast of Champions

The Chocolate War for younger students, no later than middle school.


Steal This Book
Principia Discordia
 
2014-06-11 11:17:46 AM  

Deep Contact: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 720x704]


#4 is wrong. Non-compliance is treated with psychotropic drugs.
 
2014-06-11 11:41:06 AM  

Duane Dibbley: xcv: Hickory-smoked: WillyChase: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Naked Lunch

Breakfast of Champions

The Chocolate War for younger students, no later than middle school.

Steal This Book
Principia Discordia


Today is Boomtime, the 16th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3180
 
2014-06-11 12:26:01 PM  
In my progressive high school days (ca 1974), my teacher actually assigned us a book to read called, "Coup d'etat", which was a how-to book on overthrowing a government.

http://www.amazon.com/Coup-dÉtat-A-Practical-Handbook/dp/0674175476/ re f=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1402503821&sr=8-3&keywords=Coup+de+Etat
 
2014-06-11 12:56:12 PM  

Duane Dibbley: xcv: Hickory-smoked: WillyChase: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Naked Lunch

Breakfast of Champions

The Chocolate War for younger students, no later than middle school.

Steal This Book
Principia Discordia


Outdated and dangerous. Abbie Hoffman was a smart guy who did cool things, but that book is no longer pertinent for the vast majority of the public. Too much time has passed for the methods, organizations, and laws in there to be relevant any more. Now, if somebody were to update it ("Torrent This Book"), then yeah, make every 11th grader in America at least look at the cover. But making them read "Steal This Book" will just get them arrested and/or shot, for all the wrong reasons.

Also, the rest of this list looks like the bookshelf of "college anarchist whose parents bought him a car". It just screams pretentiousness. No kid is going to want to read that sort of thing in high school, and no teacher is going to want to teach it. Bukowski was an ass; nobody needs to read more than one Orwell novel, so drop Animal Farm as outdated; Pynchon is incomprehensible at best, so let's pick his most obscure and difficult work; teenagers aren't sexually weirded out enough, so let's talk about pedophilia; William S. Burroughs was the worst of the Beats; and what American high school student is really going to care about the invasion of East Timor, especially now that they've gained their freedom?

The Chocolate War, 1984, and Breakfast of Champions are good. Lord of the Flies is okay. I think everybody would benefit from reading some of Mark Twain's satire, if they have the vocabulary to get the joke. And if you want a surprisingly good book on alternate social and economic viewpoints, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (probably the only Heinlein I have ever re-read for enjoyment's sake) has some intelligent discussion about how to stage a revolution on the Moon.
 
2014-06-11 01:20:46 PM  
The follow on to the article, about snooping on the internet, is quite interesting.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/what-the-nsa-or-anyone-can-l ea rn-about-you-from-internet-traffic/
 
2014-06-11 01:39:46 PM  
There were two things I was taught in every grade of public school...conform and fear authority.
 
2014-06-11 07:25:57 PM  

phyrkrakr: Duane Dibbley: xcv: Hickory-smoked: WillyChase: DubtodaIll: some_beer_drinker: Strobeguy: This ought to be required:
1984
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies

Atlas Shrugged

Lolita
Gravity's Rainbow
The Redundacy of Courage
Ham on Rye

Naked Lunch

Breakfast of Champions

The Chocolate War for younger students, no later than middle school.

Steal This Book
Principia Discordia

Outdated and dangerous. Abbie Hoffman was a smart guy who did cool things, but that book is no longer pertinent for the vast majority of the public. Too much time has passed for the methods, organizations, and laws in there to be relevant any more. Now, if somebody were to update it ("Torrent This Book"), then yeah, make every 11th grader in America at least look at the cover. But making them read "Steal This Book" will just get them arrested and/or shot, for all the wrong reasons.

Also, the rest of this list looks like the bookshelf of "college anarchist whose parents bought him a car". It just screams pretentiousness. No kid is going to want to read that sort of thing in high school, and no teacher is going to want to teach it. Bukowski was an ass; nobody needs to read more than one Orwell novel, so drop Animal Farm as outdated; Pynchon is incomprehensible at best, so let's pick his most obscure and difficult work; teenagers aren't sexually weirded out enough, so let's talk about pedophilia; William S. Burroughs was the worst of the Beats; and what American high school student is really going to care about the invasion of East Timor, especially now that they've gained their freedom?

The Chocolate War, 1984, and Breakfast of Champions are good. Lord of the Flies is okay. I think everybody would benefit from reading some of Mark Twain's satire, if they have the vocabulary to get the joke. And if you want a surprisingly good book on alternate social and economic viewpoints, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (probably the only Heinlein I have ever re-read for enjoyment's sake) has some intelligent discussion about how to stage a revolution on the Moon.


Well yeah but that's just like your opinion man.
 
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