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(The Daily Caller)   NSA says systems are too complex to delete evidence. If that's true I'd like to see some evi..de...oh I get it. Well played, sir. Well played   ( dailycaller.com) divider line
    More: Unlikely, NSA, FISA Court, FISA Amendments Act, systems, Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act  
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2014-06-10 07:05:13 PM  
why isnt it legal to just shoot these farkers again?
would be pretty awesome if the judge held the head of the NSA in contempt and locked him up
ROFL

/sigh
/stupid police state
 
2014-06-10 08:14:36 PM  

namatad: why isnt it legal to just shoot these farkers again?
would be pretty awesome if the judge held the head of the NSA in contempt and locked him up
ROFL

/sigh
/stupid police state


So, in practically a single breath, you lament the lack of summary execution without trial, and proceed to complain about a police state?
 
2014-06-10 08:17:23 PM  
If they were ordered to delete evidence instead of preserve evidence, they would use the same excuse.
 
2014-06-10 08:21:14 PM  
Too complex to stop deleting evidence, tardmitter. Reading is hard.
 
2014-06-10 08:27:02 PM  
faek. the. nsa
the tsa
and the boneheads thar voted to allow the dhs.
 
gja
2014-06-10 08:32:28 PM  
Oh, so they can't figure how to delete crap off of their systems?
Well, allow me to assist......
My NSA delete key:
img.photobucket.com
 
2014-06-10 08:32:31 PM  

veale728: Too complex to stop deleting evidence, tardmitter. Reading is hard.


Yes, but it makes a lot more sense to say their systems are "too complex to delete evidence". The more complex a system, the more likely "deletion" leaves a trail somewhere.
 
2014-06-10 08:42:59 PM  
If only they had some huge data center with tons of storage so they wouldn't have to delete anything at all.
 
2014-06-10 08:48:30 PM  
www.damninteresting.com
 
2014-06-10 08:52:57 PM  
Arrest and waterboard the lot of them untill they give up the deleted information.
 
2014-06-10 08:56:53 PM  

hchaos: namatad: why isnt it legal to just shoot these farkers again?
would be pretty awesome if the judge held the head of the NSA in contempt and locked him up
ROFL

/sigh
/stupid police state

So, in practically a single breath, you lament the lack of summary execution without trial, and proceed to complain about a police state?


What fun is a police state if only the OTHER guys get to enjoy it?
 
2014-06-10 09:39:20 PM  
What good is a system that can't retain evidence? Courts kinda want that sort of thing to convict people.
 
2014-06-10 09:39:29 PM  
So anyone want to summarize or copy/paste so we don't have to give that website clicks?
 
2014-06-10 09:41:58 PM  
Triggers?  - Remainder of comment self-censored.
 
2014-06-10 09:47:07 PM  

BafflerMeal: So anyone want to summarize or copy/paste so we don't have to give that website clicks?


NSA: "Despite our best efforts, we cannot comply with the order because we're incompetent."
 
2014-06-10 10:19:33 PM  
Sounds like a giant steaming pile of poop to me!
 
2014-06-10 10:30:50 PM  

stuffy: What good is a system that can't retain evidence? Courts kinda want that sort of thing to convict people.


I'm sure all the relevent documents are backed up on the super secret server. This is the federal government we are talking about after all.

Ahh for the good old days when all one needed was a mob, a few pitchforks, and a guillotine.
 
2014-06-10 11:09:56 PM  
Too bad Snowden didn't work for the DoHS.
 
2014-06-11 12:09:48 AM  
Devil's Advocate

Some systems have a rolling buffer where new data coming in overwrites old data that's already been processed.  If you're dealing with petabytes of data coming in every day, changing it so that it records a large portion of that would be a daunting storage challenge, and filtering it to obtain a minimally sufficient slice of the data you were ordered to record could be a daunting software/throughput challenge.

I'm not saying that's the case, or that NSA might not have chosen a rolling buffer specifically to avoid having to disclose that information.  I'm just saying that such a reason might actually be true in some cases.
 
2014-06-11 12:13:27 AM  
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2014-06-11 12:14:50 AM  
Well someone at the NSA has never heard of "Contempt of Court."

At least not yet.
 
2014-06-11 12:31:12 AM  

Sticky Hands: hchaos: namatad: why isnt it legal to just shoot these farkers again?
would be pretty awesome if the judge held the head of the NSA in contempt and locked him up
ROFL

/sigh
/stupid police state

So, in practically a single breath, you lament the lack of summary execution without trial, and proceed to complain about a police state?

What fun is a police state if only the OTHER guys get to enjoy it?


1) THIS
2) wait, what are slashies for? I thought it was sarcasm above the slashies, reality marked by slashies

/Really need a rule book for posting on fark
//why would people who are ignoring the constitution be protected by the constitution? pretty sure in a police states it is ok to revolt against the state with any method that works. BRB need to read about the resistance.
 
2014-06-11 01:33:21 AM  

stuffy: What good is a system that can't retain evidence? Courts kinda want that sort of thing to convict people.


In America, you convict criminals.  In Amerika, criminals convict you.
 
2014-06-11 02:24:24 AM  

hchaos: namatad: why isnt it legal to just shoot these farkers again?
would be pretty awesome if the judge held the head of the NSA in contempt and locked him up
ROFL

/sigh
/stupid police state

So, in practically a single breath, you lament the lack of summary execution without trial, and proceed to complain about a police state?


No, he was complaining of a STUPID police state. If they were smart, they would have them locked up.... and take over the system.
 
2014-06-11 04:13:39 AM  
WrinkleInTime.book
/IT
 
2014-06-11 07:29:23 AM  
"The signals intelligence agency responded with a request for the court to immediately overturn its order, and that failing to do so would force the agency to shut down a significant portion of NSA's surveillance apparatus." - TFA

I definitely want to try my luck at a request to IMMEDIATELY OVERTURN an order!

What now? It would force you to shut down a significant portion of the surveillance apparatus? HOOORAY, EVEN BETTER!
 
2014-06-11 09:58:26 AM  
FTFA: "Communications acquired pursuant to Section 702 reside within multiple databases contained on multiple systems and the precise manner in which NSA stays consistent with its legal obligations under the [FISA Amendments Act] has resulted from years of detailed interaction" with the FISA Court and the Department of Justice.

Translation: "The court has never called us on our illegal activities before. We just aren't equipped to deal with complying with a court order, because all of our previous interactions with the court have been of the rubber-stamp variety."
 
2014-06-11 10:07:25 AM  

TruBluTroll: FTFA: "Communications acquired pursuant to Section 702 reside within multiple databases contained on multiple systems and the precise manner in which NSA stays consistent with its legal obligations under the [FISA Amendments Act] has resulted from years of detailed interaction" with the FISA Court and the Department of Justice.

Translation: "The court has never called us on our illegal activities before. We just aren't equipped to deal with complying with a court order, because all of our previous interactions with the court have been of the rubber-stamp variety."


Hoblit: "The signals intelligence agency responded with a request for the court to immediately overturn its order, and that failing to do so would force the agency to shut down a significant portion of NSA's surveillance apparatus." - TFA

I definitely want to try my luck at a request to IMMEDIATELY OVERTURN an order!

What now? It would force you to shut down a significant portion of the surveillance apparatus? HOOORAY, EVEN BETTER!



GM had the same argument: "Recalling millions of vehicles to replace a faulty ignition spring would cost us millions of dollars and put the security of the company and millions of jobs at risk."

Tough shiat. Shut it down.

Fix it.
 
2014-06-11 11:31:28 AM  
The poor, poor NSA. It's so hard for them now. They don't get to play with their toys. The big bad man has told them to put things away. Well, if they can't play with it no one can!
 
2014-06-11 12:33:33 PM  

aerojockey: Devil's Advocate

Some systems have a rolling buffer where new data coming in overwrites old data that's already been processed.  If you're dealing with petabytes of data coming in every day, changing it so that it records a large portion of that would be a daunting storage challenge, and filtering it to obtain a minimally sufficient slice of the data you were ordered to record could be a daunting software/throughput challenge.

I'm not saying that's the case, or that NSA might not have chosen a rolling buffer specifically to avoid having to disclose that information.  I'm just saying that such a reason might actually be true in some cases.


This is what I assume they mean by it as well.  Or that the systems involved have cyclic cleanup processes that they need the vendor to change the behavior of, which starts a complicated procurement process that they haven't been able to pull off.
 
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