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(Education Week)   Judge strikes down California's laws that protect teachers from being fired over things like pregnancy, ethnicity, and insanity (working in low-income schools)   (blogs.edweek.org) divider line 104
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2014-06-11 09:06:32 PM  

silly season: Ok. I'll bite. You $ay that can't think of any rea$on why private $chool$ do well. Gee, that'$ a $tumper alright. Maybe because private schools don't have to take any and all students? No, that can't be it. There may be another reason. I'm sure I'll think of it. I'm forced to guess what you feel makes a private school. I will assume a school that the parents that are sending their kids to, also directly pay the school and have a personal and financial interest in the outcomes. I.e highly involved parents.

An independent board of parents, teachers, and citizens that evaluate if teacher is any good.
Evaluate based on what? Test scores? What kind of testing? Multiple choice? Highly subjective essays? For Kindergarten? 1st? 2nd? Do you really think testing proves anything? Best teaching practices? How would parents or random citizens have any idea whatsoever what best teaching is?

An independent board? What is that? The people in the area that the school covers? Is that your idea of independent? Or are your thinking of something like jury duty of people that don't have any tie to that school? Because everyone knows how much all citizens want to participate in jury duty. I'm sure you would get very similar results in your school pool as in your jury pool.

The people you would end up with would be the same people that aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty or Young Earth Creationists trying to push their views into the public school system. But I may be repeating myself.

/ All this magical thinking that there is somehow a board, a law, a test that gives perfect answers to dealing with imperfect people.


Uh, private school teachers make less than their public school counterparts...so I'm not sure what your point is about money.  The reason that private schools perform better is competition.  If the teachers don't perform, if the school doesn't deliver on those tuition dollars, guess what...the school goes under.  There's strong incentive for the school to perform.

So you'd prefer to stick with a broken public school system that makes it virtually impossible to fire a teacher...good luck with that...it's worked out so well for the US.  But the solution is always to throw more money at the problem.  Of course, the politicians that continue to sell the public on "fixing" the public schools with more money never mention that their kids go to private schools.
 
2014-06-11 09:20:31 PM  

slayer199: silly season: Ok. I'll bite. You $ay that can't think of any rea$on why private $chool$ do well. Gee, that'$ a $tumper alright. Maybe because private schools don't have to take any and all students? No, that can't be it. There may be another reason. I'm sure I'll think of it. I'm forced to guess what you feel makes a private school. I will assume a school that the parents that are sending their kids to, also directly pay the school and have a personal and financial interest in the outcomes. I.e highly involved parents.

An independent board of parents, teachers, and citizens that evaluate if teacher is any good.
Evaluate based on what? Test scores? What kind of testing? Multiple choice? Highly subjective essays? For Kindergarten? 1st? 2nd? Do you really think testing proves anything? Best teaching practices? How would parents or random citizens have any idea whatsoever what best teaching is?

An independent board? What is that? The people in the area that the school covers? Is that your idea of independent? Or are your thinking of something like jury duty of people that don't have any tie to that school? Because everyone knows how much all citizens want to participate in jury duty. I'm sure you would get very similar results in your school pool as in your jury pool.

The people you would end up with would be the same people that aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty or Young Earth Creationists trying to push their views into the public school system. But I may be repeating myself.

/ All this magical thinking that there is somehow a board, a law, a test that gives perfect answers to dealing with imperfect people.

Uh, private school teachers make less than their public school counterparts...so I'm not sure what your point is about money.  The reason that private schools perform better is competition.  If the teachers don't perform, if the school doesn't deliver on those tuition dollars, guess what...the school goes under.  There's strong incentive for the scho ...


Sorry, see my comment just before this one. I was thinking Elite Institutions when an undefined "Private School" was mentioned.
 
2014-06-11 09:38:23 PM  

silly season: slayer199: silly season: Ok. I'll bite. You $ay that can't think of any rea$on why private $chool$ do well. Gee, that'$ a $tumper alright. Maybe because private schools don't have to take any and all students? No, that can't be it. There may be another reason. I'm sure I'll think of it. I'm forced to guess what you feel makes a private school. I will assume a school that the parents that are sending their kids to, also directly pay the school and have a personal and financial interest in the outcomes. I.e highly involved parents.

An independent board of parents, teachers, and citizens that evaluate if teacher is any good.
Evaluate based on what? Test scores? What kind of testing? Multiple choice? Highly subjective essays? For Kindergarten? 1st? 2nd? Do you really think testing proves anything? Best teaching practices? How would parents or random citizens have any idea whatsoever what best teaching is?

An independent board? What is that? The people in the area that the school covers? Is that your idea of independent? Or are your thinking of something like jury duty of people that don't have any tie to that school? Because everyone knows how much all citizens want to participate in jury duty. I'm sure you would get very similar results in your school pool as in your jury pool.

The people you would end up with would be the same people that aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty or Young Earth Creationists trying to push their views into the public school system. But I may be repeating myself.

/ All this magical thinking that there is somehow a board, a law, a test that gives perfect answers to dealing with imperfect people.

Uh, private school teachers make less than their public school counterparts...so I'm not sure what your point is about money.  The reason that private schools perform better is competition.  If the teachers don't perform, if the school doesn't deliver on those tuition dollars, guess what...the school goes under.  There's strong incentive f ...


slayer199: silly season: Ok. I'll bite. You $ay that can't think of any rea$on why private $chool$ do well. Gee, that'$ a $tumper alright. Maybe because private schools don't have to take any and all students? No, that can't be it. There may be another reason. I'm sure I'll think of it. I'm forced to guess what you feel makes a private school. I will assume a school that the parents that are sending their kids to, also directly pay the school and have a personal and financial interest in the outcomes. I.e highly involved parents.

An independent board of parents, teachers, and citizens that evaluate if teacher is any good.
Evaluate based on what? Test scores? What kind of testing? Multiple choice? Highly subjective essays? For Kindergarten? 1st? 2nd? Do you really think testing proves anything? Best teaching practices? How would parents or random citizens have any idea whatsoever what best teaching is?

An independent board? What is that? The people in the area that the school covers? Is that your idea of independent? Or are your thinking of something like jury duty of people that don't have any tie to that school? Because everyone knows how much all citizens want to participate in jury duty. I'm sure you would get very similar results in your school pool as in your jury pool.

The people you would end up with would be the same people that aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty or Young Earth Creationists trying to push their views into the public school system. But I may be repeating myself.

/ All this magical thinking that there is somehow a board, a law, a test that gives perfect answers to dealing with imperfect people.

Uh, private school teachers make less than their public school counterparts...so I'm not sure what your point is about money.  The reason that private schools perform better is competition.  If the teachers don't perform, if the school doesn't deliver on those tuition dollars, guess what...the school goes under.  There's strong incentive for the scho ...


Try again....

Sorry, see my comment just before this one. I was thinking Elite Institutions when an undefined "Private School" was mentioned.  Would you agree that those that can afford Elite Institutions can also afford tutors for any less than stellar offspring? Would you agree that Private Schools usually aren't measured against public schools? That who you know is far more important than what you know?

But what is your alternative? Private Schools? For Profit Teaching? Religion Based schools? It isn't enough to say this is bad and demand that someone, somehow fix it. The idea floated earlier that tenure start at 5 years may not be a bad idea.

Yes, the system is abused. But what is your alternative? What unintended consequences can be expected as a result of a proposed alternative?
 
2014-06-11 11:20:07 PM  
The previous question and answer comments by Silly Season were inspired by the Socratic* method of teaching. Hopefully some Farkers were able to more clearly understand what their own position and others position on these questions are to better find creative and useful solutions.

/ Now, determine a method to show what you have learned can be objectively graded?
// *An old, dead Greek guy....
/// And his story really underlines the need for Tenure as opposed to being judged by others.
 
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