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2014-06-10 11:59:46 AM  
And so it continues...
 
2014-06-10 12:06:37 PM  
And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

BTW, w/o pot seizures the cops can't afford a new Ford, much less a farking tank.
 
2014-06-10 12:08:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-10 12:08:57 PM  

snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

BTW, w/o pot seizures the cops can't afford a new Ford, much less a farking tank.


Gun grabbers.

*Drink*
 
2014-06-10 12:09:05 PM  
So what? Would you rather we leave it there so they can use it? Even better we could scrap it and take a huge loss. Where are you going with this Subby? It's our equipment, we don't need it where it is so moving it is a bad idea? I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?
 
2014-06-10 12:14:08 PM  

Monkey2: I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?


Useful for what?  Why do cops have any need for suppressive fire with automatic weapons?  Why do they need armored vehicles that get 2~3 mpg?  Camouflage?  What's the point, other than to intimidate people?

What use can a small town possibly put an armored vehicle to?
 
2014-06-10 12:17:23 PM  

Fark It: Monkey2: I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?

Useful for what?  Why do cops have any need for suppressive fire with automatic weapons?  Why do they need armored vehicles that get 2~3 mpg?  Camouflage?  What's the point, other than to intimidate people?

What use can a small town possibly put an armored vehicle to?


Overkill, I get it. But what the hell else are we going to do with it? That stuff is bought and paid for. Should we just leave it there or maybe, just maybe, have it on standby here in case we need it?
 
2014-06-10 12:20:29 PM  

Monkey2: So what? Would you rather we leave it there so they can use it? Even better we could scrap it and take a huge loss. Where are you going with this Subby? It's our equipment, we don't need it where it is so moving it is a bad idea? I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?


You think the next war is far away?

Don't worry, we will just profiteer more.
 
2014-06-10 12:21:48 PM  

Fark It: Monkey2: I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?

Useful for what?  Why do cops have any need for suppressive fire with automatic weapons?  Why do they need armored vehicles that get 2~3 mpg?  Camouflage?  What's the point, other than to intimidate people?

What use can a small town possibly put an armored vehicle to?


Back in the day, this stuff was decommissioned as playground equipment.
 
2014-06-10 12:22:51 PM  
I don't know why cops need automatic weapons, I can't see a justification for suppressing fire.

I can see the heavy duty vehicles used for disaster operations.
 
2014-06-10 12:25:17 PM  
And as an aside, I live just a few blocks from a NG armory. This small town doesn't need a single thing those guys are hauling up and down the road every day. I really don't think they're trying to intimidate me. They have a job to do and need heavy equipment to do it.

I'd rather the equipment be brought back here, and be maintained and ready, than just be left for someone else to use it or rot in the sun.
 
2014-06-10 12:27:31 PM  
We need this stuff on the streets here in the U.S. It should make the next time the cops serve a no-knock warrant on a drug dealer and throw a flash grenade in a crib with a sleeping baby much easier.
 
2014-06-10 12:33:22 PM  

snocone: Fark It: Monkey2: I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?

Useful for what?  Why do cops have any need for suppressive fire with automatic weapons?  Why do they need armored vehicles that get 2~3 mpg?  Camouflage?  What's the point, other than to intimidate people?

What use can a small town possibly put an armored vehicle to?

Back in the day, this stuff was decommissioned as playground equipment.


Or sold as surplus to collectors, or given to VFW posts as decorative lawn ornaments.

Monkey2: Fark It: Monkey2: I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?

Useful for what?  Why do cops have any need for suppressive fire with automatic weapons?  Why do they need armored vehicles that get 2~3 mpg?  Camouflage?  What's the point, other than to intimidate people?

What use can a small town possibly put an armored vehicle to?

Overkill, I get it. But what the hell else are we going to do with it? That stuff is bought and paid for. Should we just leave it there or maybe, just maybe, have it on standby here in case we need it?


There's nothing wrong with keeping a gaggle of these in the desert somewhere.  That's "having it on standby here in case we need it."  Giving this stuff away to our coddled and worshiped law enforcement community is a mistake, it furthers the gulf between law enforcement and the community, and gives a green light to LEOs further treating the public as an occupied population.
 
2014-06-10 12:36:14 PM  
I wonder what it costs to get the oil changed on an MRAP
 
2014-06-10 12:38:31 PM  

snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

BTW, w/o pot seizures the cops can't afford a new Ford, much less a farking tank.


Once again, a gun nut fails to realise that police officers are carefully vetted and highly trained, and thus are the only people in our cities who should be trusted to carry any kind of firearm in public.

www.insanemedia.net
 
2014-06-10 12:39:40 PM  

Fark It: What use can a small town possibly put an armored vehicle to?


Possum huntin'.
 
2014-06-10 12:48:04 PM  
Gah, some days it just feels like you're on the wrong side of everything.

I do not think local Law Enforcement needs access to military grade hardware. However, if that said hardware exists and is no longer needed where it is then it should be brought back home.

Give it to local LEO's...No

Bring it back so we can manage it's use, sure.
 
2014-06-10 12:50:53 PM  
The next township over got an APC. It was pitched to them by Homeland as "what a deal!" Now they are biatching about how expensive it is to maintain. It may be over fifty years since the last murder. Although, nearly every single home has a gun in it. Maybe that's the reason.
 
2014-06-10 12:53:02 PM  
The only bootstrappy thing to do is dump that zhit in the ocean, like we always do.
 
2014-06-10 12:55:16 PM  

Dimensio: snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

BTW, w/o pot seizures the cops can't afford a new Ford, much less a farking tank.

Once again, a gun nut fails to realise that police officers are carefully vetted and highly trained, and thus are the only people in our cities who should be trusted to carry any kind of firearm in public.

[www.insanemedia.net image 619x349]


Might have to change my handle to snoconethegunnut.

But, false advertizing,,,
 
2014-06-10 12:56:19 PM  
Hell, I don't even own a garage,,,
 
2014-06-10 01:01:17 PM  

dr_blasto: I don't know why cops need automatic weapons, I can't see a justification for suppressing fire.

I can see the heavy duty vehicles used for disaster operations.


Watch the footage of the creeps who turned up at the Cliven Bundy ranch.

In addition to regular criminals, you now have a ton of wack-jobs (often with military training) prepping for battles with police.

/I don't like that they have this stuff I understand why they might want it.
 
2014-06-10 01:02:40 PM  

Fark It: Monkey2: I guess moving it to somewhere that it might be useful is bad?

Useful for what?  Why do cops have any need for suppressive fire with automatic weapons?  Why do they need armored vehicles that get 2~3 mpg?  Camouflage?  What's the point, other than to intimidate people?

What use can a small town possibly put an armored vehicle to?


Have you ever been to Camden, Newark or Trenton, NJ?
 
2014-06-10 01:03:24 PM  
I could see using them along the border, but not small town Podunk, Wisconsin.
 
2014-06-10 01:04:02 PM  

b2theory: dr_blasto: I don't know why cops need automatic weapons, I can't see a justification for suppressing fire.

I can see the heavy duty vehicles used for disaster operations.

Watch the footage of the creeps who turned up at the Cliven Bundy ranch.

In addition to regular criminals, you now have a ton of wack-jobs (often with military training) prepping for battles with police.

/I don't like that they have this stuff I understand why they might want it.


This trend of "law enforcement as a military unit" started long before Cliven Bundy, and even long before the radical domestic terror groups of the 1990s.  It has accelerated despite a falling crime rate and decreasing numbers of cops getting killed on the job.
 
2014-06-10 01:05:17 PM  

snocone: Hell, I don't even own a garage,,,



You just made me go listen to that "song".

/You bastard
 
2014-06-10 01:07:17 PM  

snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.


I worry that people unnerved by the Open Carry folks will demand more heavily armed police presences in public to make them feel safer.
 
2014-06-10 01:08:33 PM  

b2theory: you now have a ton of wack-jobs (often with military training) prepping for battles with police....I don't like that they have this stuff I understand why they might want it.


And there it is.
 
2014-06-10 01:09:09 PM  
So basically citizens need to be viewed in the same way as enemies in war.
 
2014-06-10 01:12:43 PM  

dr_blasto: I don't know why cops need automatic weapons, I can't see a justification for suppressing fire.

I can see the heavy duty vehicles used for disaster operations.


Remember the LA bank robbery? The cops were practically sitting ducks and totally outgunned. Granted, shiat like that doesn't happen regularly, but two gunmen had the upper hand against 20 cops.

Also, I thought they were leaving some humvees over there, because it is too expensive to ship them back.
 
2014-06-10 01:15:40 PM  

Aarontology: So basically citizens need to be viewed in the same way as enemies in war.


A food source should always be treated as an "enemy".
 
2014-06-10 01:17:20 PM  

vernonFL: I could see using them along the border, but not small town Podunk, Wisconsin.


If militarization is done along the border, it will eventually be done in the suburbs too.
 
2014-06-10 01:17:51 PM  

Somacandra: snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

I worry that people unnerved by the Open Carry folks will demand more heavily armed police presences in public to make them feel safer.


I am not unnerved by the open carry fools nor am I calling for police to be more heavily armed.

However, if it was my job to procure equipment to deal with the threats police will face then I would have to consider arming myself to deal with at least a platoon of trained infantry.

The people who pointed their weapons at BLM officers in Nevada executing legal property seizure have justified such preparations.
 
2014-06-10 01:21:54 PM  

Mark Ratner: Also, I thought they were leaving some humvees over there, because it is too expensive to ship them back.


When we redeployed from the Gulf we left thousands of vehicles. Our unit and others like us kept theirs (Airborne MPs), but to me it was staggering all the stuff we just left or blew up. A lot of the stuff we left was toward its end of use anyway. So yah, shipping it home would have been a waste of money.
 
2014-06-10 01:22:09 PM  

Somacandra: snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

I worry that people unnerved by the Open Carry folks will demand more heavily armed police presences in public to make them feel safer.


It's not a bad response.  Maybe not patroling around in public with the gear, but having it available for Bundy situations would be nice.

I'd love to see a few tanks and APCs roll into the Bundy ranch.  What now biatches?

As for General police use, I agree that the over militarization of our police force is troubling, but just having it doesn't mean that they have to use it.  Better to have it available 'just in case' than to let it rot in the desert.
 
2014-06-10 01:23:35 PM  

Monkey2: Gah, some days it just feels like you're on the wrong side of everything.

I do not think local Law Enforcement needs access to military grade hardware. However, if that said hardware exists and is no longer needed where it is then it should be brought back home.

Give it to local LEO's...No

Bring it back so we can manage it's use, sure.


www.clevescene.com
 
2014-06-10 01:26:12 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As for General police use, I agree that the over militarization of our police force is troubling, but just having it doesn't mean that they have to use it. Better to have it available 'just in case' than to let it rot in the desert.


Problem with that, is they tend to find excuses to use their new "toys", even when such use isn't warranted.
 
2014-06-10 01:26:38 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As for General police use, I agree that the over militarization of our police force is troubling, but just having it doesn't mean that they have to use it.


Agreed. But now the manufacturers have a new customer base for those expensive parts. Think of the economy! OTOH, like I said earlier, that neighboring township has no use whatsoever for an APC. But if they have to maintain it, their going to have to figure out (invent) a reason to use it to justify the cost. That is a lot more scary than knowing my neighbor has a SKS.
 
2014-06-10 01:31:14 PM  
pics.imcdb.org

And the quarterback is toast!
/obscure?
 
2014-06-10 01:31:59 PM  

OregonVet: TuteTibiImperes: As for General police use, I agree that the over militarization of our police force is troubling, but just having it doesn't mean that they have to use it.

Agreed. But now the manufacturers have a new customer base for those expensive parts. Think of the economy! OTOH, like I said earlier, that neighboring township has no use whatsoever for an APC. But if they have to maintain it, their going to have to figure out (invent) a reason to use it to justify the cost. That is a lot more scary than knowing my neighbor has a SKS.


I'm admittedly not an expert in APC maintenance, but how much could it require if it's barely used?   Drive it around the block once a month to keep the fluids circulated and the tires from dry rotting, change the oil once a year or so if you're not putting any miles on it, and what more is there to worry about?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 01:33:42 PM  

snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

BTW, w/o pot seizures the cops can't afford a new Ford, much less a farking tank.


Well, police need military weapons to fight the sort of criminals who call rational people "gun grabbers".

Maybe if you guys stopped killing people for no good reason we wouldn't need APCs for the police.  Good thing they get them free.
 
2014-06-10 01:35:23 PM  

vpb: snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

BTW, w/o pot seizures the cops can't afford a new Ford, much less a farking tank.

Well, police need military weapons to fight the sort of criminals who call rational people "gun grabbers".

Maybe if you guys stopped killing people for no good reason we wouldn't need APCs for the police.  Good thing they get them free.


Wow.  Such reasonable.  Much commonsense.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 01:36:54 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:

I'm admittedly not an expert in APC maintenance, but how much could it require if it's barely used?   Drive it around the block once a month to keep the fluids circulated and the tires from dry rotting, change the oil once a year or so if you're not putting any miles on it, and what more is there to worry about?

The mechanical parts are generally commercial OTC stuff.  The military parts are mainly just the armor, which isn't going to wear out or need replacing unless the NRA crazies get hold of RPGs or HMGs.
 
2014-06-10 01:38:21 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: but just having it doesn't mean that they have to use it.  Better to have it available 'just in case' than to let it rot in the desert.


BS. Police departments have been using SWAT and the like for regular warrants, they're bringing out the armored shiat for everything and it is no longer shocking to see the regular traffic cops in full tactical gear, minus the helmet. If they have it, they will feel like they have to use it.

Sure, some vehicles would be excellent for emergencies. I would rather they were delivered to the emergency management agencies than the cops.
 
2014-06-10 01:39:22 PM  

vpb: TuteTibiImperes:

I'm admittedly not an expert in APC maintenance, but how much could it require if it's barely used?   Drive it around the block once a month to keep the fluids circulated and the tires from dry rotting, change the oil once a year or so if you're not putting any miles on it, and what more is there to worry about?

The mechanical parts are generally commercial OTC stuff.  The military parts are mainly just the armor, which isn't going to wear out or need replacing unless the NRA crazies get hold of RPGs or HMGs.


Have you tried to finance the purchase of OTC parts for a Ford lately?
Thought not.
 
2014-06-10 01:39:59 PM  

Mark Ratner: dr_blasto: I don't know why cops need automatic weapons, I can't see a justification for suppressing fire.

I can see the heavy duty vehicles used for disaster operations.

Remember the LA bank robbery? The cops were practically sitting ducks and totally outgunned. Granted, shiat like that doesn't happen regularly, but two gunmen had the upper hand against 20 cops.

Also, I thought they were leaving some humvees over there, because it is too expensive to ship them back.


That happened once. Once.

It was also representative of tactical failure by the cops, much more than it was being outgunned, because they weren't. A machine gun wasn't going to help them, it would only have made things worse.
 
2014-06-10 01:40:16 PM  

dr_blasto: TuteTibiImperes: but just having it doesn't mean that they have to use it.  Better to have it available 'just in case' than to let it rot in the desert.

BS. Police departments have been using SWAT and the like for regular warrants, they're bringing out the armored shiat for everything and it is no longer shocking to see the regular traffic cops in full tactical gear, minus the helmet. If they have it, they will feel like they have to use it.

Sure, some vehicles would be excellent for emergencies. I would rather they were delivered to the emergency management agencies than the cops.


"in an excess of caution"
HaHaHaHa
 
2014-06-10 01:40:37 PM  

Fark It: b2theory: dr_blasto: I don't know why cops need automatic weapons, I can't see a justification for suppressing fire.

I can see the heavy duty vehicles used for disaster operations.

Watch the footage of the creeps who turned up at the Cliven Bundy ranch.

In addition to regular criminals, you now have a ton of wack-jobs (often with military training) prepping for battles with police.

/I don't like that they have this stuff I understand why they might want it.

This trend of "law enforcement as a military unit" started long before Cliven Bundy, and even long before the radical domestic terror groups of the 1990s.  It has accelerated despite a falling crime rate and decreasing numbers of cops getting killed on the job.


The number one cause of death amongst law enforcement is being shot. The second most common cause is auto crashes. Both of those categories have decreased as a result of body armor and departments forcing police to wear their f$&@ing seatbelt.

The rise of special forces type units follows the rise of similar units in the military. US Spec Ops teams (as permanent components) largely developed in the 50s and 60s. SWAT teams followed that model in the 60s and 70s.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 01:41:02 PM  

Dimensio: snocone: And the gun grabbers put that "no military weapons on "our" streets" derp into reverse.

BTW, w/o pot seizures the cops can't afford a new Ford, much less a farking tank.

Once again, a gun nut fails to realise that police officers are carefully vetted and highly trained, and thus are the only people in our cities who should be trusted to carry any kind of firearm in public.


Good point.  We need more school shooters to keep us safe from guys who used to be cops but got fired some time ago after not making it through their probationary period.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-06-10 01:43:09 PM  
dr_blasto:

It was also representative of tactical failure by the cops, much more than it was being outgunned, because they weren't. A machine gun wasn't going to help them, it would only have made things worse.

Well, a .50" machine gun would certainly have helped them, or some armor piercing ammo. considering that the "tactical failure" was that the criminals had body armor.
 
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