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2014-06-10 10:59:32 AM
Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.
 
2014-06-10 11:26:24 AM

Wangiss: Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.


Of which probably only 2 give you a speed faster than 1Mbps for the same price.
 
2014-06-10 11:35:40 AM

enry: Wangiss: Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.

Of which probably only 2 give you a speed faster than 1Mbps for the same price.


"The same price"? What has that to do with it? I can choose from about four different plans from each ISP. I don't care if they're the same price. I run a business online, so I chose the Gigabit package for $70/month. I like it because it's fast. If that ISP goes under I can still get 50Mbps for $79. That's clearly not as good, but it's still fast. I haven't even really investigated the other options, but I know there's a WiMax ISP, a cable ISP, a fiber ISP, a DSL ISP, and four mobile carriers with varying degrees of coverage and speed. It's awesome and it's available because the state doesn't do crony monopoly deals. Nearaly everyone who wants the federal government to solve the mono- or duopoly they're presently stuck with got into that situation through government meddling. (The exception would be rural customers.) Crony capitalism is the unholy lovechild of selfish politicians and greedy corporations. It should be in everyone's crosshairs. But instead the conservatives defend the capitalists and the liberals defend the beautiful government plan for ultimate liberation. And you get crappy internet. But if you don't let those two power segments collude in the first place, you're already free. Who's writing these Net Neutrality deals? Politicians and corporations. It's time for a divorce, guys. Nobody's happy.
 
2014-06-10 11:41:44 AM

Wangiss: enry: Wangiss: Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.

Of which probably only 2 give you a speed faster than 1Mbps for the same price.

"The same price"? What has that to do with it? I can choose from about four different plans from each ISP. I don't care if they're the same price. I run a business online, so I chose the Gigabit package for $70/month. I like it because it's fast. If that ISP goes under I can still get 50Mbps for $79. That's clearly not as good, but it's still fast. I haven't even really investigated the other options, but I know there's a WiMax ISP, a cable ISP, a fiber ISP, a DSL ISP, and four mobile carriers with varying degrees of coverage and speed. It's awesome and it's available because the state doesn't do crony monopoly deals. Nearaly everyone who wants the federal government to solve the mono- or duopoly they're presently stuck with got into that situation through government meddling. (The exception would be rural customers.) Crony capitalism is the unholy lovechild of selfish politicians and greedy corporations. It should be in everyone's crosshairs. But instead the conservatives defend the capitalists and the liberals defend the beautiful government plan for ultimate liberation. And you get crappy internet. But if you don't let those two power segments collude in the first place, you're already free. Who's writing these Net Neutrality deals? Politicians and corporations. It's time for a divorce, guys. Nobody's happy.


Just wait until comcast wants you to pay them to not slow your traffic down, then TWC, then AT&T.
 
2014-06-10 11:49:03 AM

dr_blasto: Wangiss: enry: Wangiss: Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.

Of which probably only 2 give you a speed faster than 1Mbps for the same price.

"The same price"? What has that to do with it? I can choose from about four different plans from each ISP. I don't care if they're the same price. I run a business online, so I chose the Gigabit package for $70/month. I like it because it's fast. If that ISP goes under I can still get 50Mbps for $79. That's clearly not as good, but it's still fast. I haven't even really investigated the other options, but I know there's a WiMax ISP, a cable ISP, a fiber ISP, a DSL ISP, and four mobile carriers with varying degrees of coverage and speed. It's awesome and it's available because the state doesn't do crony monopoly deals. Nearaly everyone who wants the federal government to solve the mono- or duopoly they're presently stuck with got into that situation through government meddling. (The exception would be rural customers.) Crony capitalism is the unholy lovechild of selfish politicians and greedy corporations. It should be in everyone's crosshairs. But instead the conservatives defend the capitalists and the liberals defend the beautiful government plan for ultimate liberation. And you get crappy internet. But if you don't let those two power segments collude in the first place, you're already free. Who's writing these Net Neutrality deals? Politicians and corporations. It's time for a divorce, guys. Nobody's happy.

Just wait until comcast wants you to pay them to not slow your traffic down, then TWC, then AT&T.


Why should I wait for that? I already pay them to not slow my traffic down to zero. Does none of these companies want my business? So far Google Fiber does, and they get it, and I pay them. And they're doing a great job staying fast with no shenanigans. All an ISP with ample competition has to do to win its market is be faster than the others at a decent price and not commit harakiri by having amazingly bad customer service. That's the opposite of blackmailing for speed, which is the idiotic business model destined to fail that people are so worried about. The internet just keeps getting faster and faster. AOL died because it wouldn't keep up. So will everyone else unless they have a government-sanctioned monopoly. Sever the ties.
 
2014-06-10 02:03:33 PM
Man, it sucks when people have opinions.
 
2014-06-10 02:17:40 PM
 Broadband for America, one of the groups we profiled seeking to prevent the FCC from reclassifying broadband as a public utility, claims to be a broad "coalition of 300 internet consumer advocates, content providers, and engineers."

Didn't the part in quotes come from a SFGate article rather than from Broadband for America themselves?

I thought we figured that out last week.
 
2014-06-10 02:23:37 PM

Wangiss: Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.


Then why do you oppose Net Neutrality? Net Neutrality keeps the government- and private corporations- from meddling with the Internet. You sound pro-meddling, to me.
 
2014-06-10 02:27:08 PM

Wangiss: Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.


How much are they paying you?
 
2014-06-10 02:55:04 PM
Other groups we contacted were simply confused. "I'm not aware of them and I pay all the bills. I've never heard of Broadband for America," replied Keith Jackson, an accountant with the Spread Eagle Tavern & Inn, a cozy bed-and-breakfast in Ohio that is listed as a Broadband for America member.

I was planning a vacation to Ohio, so I Googled 'Spread Eagle.' Now I'm unemployed.
 
2014-06-10 02:58:11 PM

Wangiss: Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.


I live in the UK and have 200 ISPs to choose from, thanks to government regulations requiring open and equal access to the network from to anyone wanting to start an ISP.
 
2014-06-10 03:03:51 PM

Wangiss: which is the idiotic business model destined to fail that people are so worried about


I think you're misunderstanding the situation.. this isn't about end-user consumers, it's about content providers.

You're fortunate to be in an area that has Google Fiber. Bully for you. Does your business service customers outside of your area?
Let's say you have customers that live in one of those duopolies you described.. let's say their only options are Comcast or Verizon. I'm assuming you're a small business and not a megacorp. For the sake of argument, let's say that a megacorp provides the same services you do. Comcast and Verizon decides to charge a rate for the type of traffic your business' web presence needs that's no big deal to the megacorp but is out of your price range. As a result, your customers are greatly inconvenienced in dealing with you than they are the megacorp. THAT is what Net Neutrality is about. It's all great that YOU have Google Fiber, but if your customers don't, it's YOU that the lack of neutrality would bone.
 
2014-06-10 03:24:41 PM

Uzzah: Other groups we contacted were simply confused. "I'm not aware of them and I pay all the bills. I've never heard of Broadband for America," replied Keith Jackson, an accountant with the Spread Eagle Tavern & Inn, a cozy bed-and-breakfast in Ohio that is listed as a Broadband for America member.

I was planning a vacation to Ohio, so I Googled 'Spread Eagle.' Now I'm unemployed.


Next time append "safe=on" at the end of the url and safe search will be enabled.

Really!   just google "safe+word" and see.

/spoiler: don't.  Its not that bad, but some employers have a pickle up their ... um
 
2014-06-10 03:42:43 PM

t3knomanser: Wangiss: Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.

Then why do you oppose Net Neutrality? Net Neutrality keeps the government- and private corporations- from meddling with the Internet. You sound pro-meddling, to me.


I think he's talking about his local city/town. A bunch of cities have sold their residence down the river and committed to a monopoly from a cable company. Wangiss is saying his area has a ton of ISP options because the local government has kept itself uninvolved.
 
2014-06-10 03:49:12 PM
If you don't allow ISPs to tier their services, we'll all just get to pay more for less rather than having options.
 
2014-06-10 03:50:25 PM
Wangiss:

All an ISP with ample competition has to do to win its market is be faster than the others at a decent price and not commit harakiri by having amazingly bad customer service.

That's the problem.  They don't compete with each other.  On purpose.

But please, continue to be snarky, and show everyone that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
2014-06-10 03:55:37 PM

MugzyBrown: If you don't allow ISPs to tier their services, we'll all just get to pay more for less rather than having options.


Has fark suddenly become the place for telecom shills to congregate?  Or is this just trolling?
 
2014-06-10 03:57:34 PM

Jashter: That's the problem.  They don't compete with each other.  On purpose.


That's weird.. areas around me (but not me - damn you verizon) have available both FiOS and Comcast for typical broad band.

Plus mobile carriers are rushing around building/upgrading cell towers to increase bandwidth.

Then Google is rolling out a fiber platform in select cities.

In 5-10 years there will be a lot more options out there, and probably a lot of them will be wireless.
 
2014-06-10 03:58:32 PM

MugzyBrown: If you don't allow ISPs to tier their services, we'll all just get to pay more for less rather than having options.


How does that even make sense?
 
2014-06-10 04:36:20 PM

The Bestest: MugzyBrown: If you don't allow ISPs to tier their services, we'll all just get to pay more for less rather than having options.

How does that even make sense?


It makes total sense if you're being paid to say it.
 
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2014-06-10 07:09:27 PM

Gergesa: MugzyBrown: If you don't allow ISPs to tier their services, we'll all just get to pay more for less rather than having options.

Has fark suddenly become the place for telecom shills to congregate?  Or is this just trolling?


Yes.
 
2014-06-10 08:40:09 PM
Big internet companies who are getting a free ride want to continue to do so. Get nerds enraged to continue free ride status. News at 11.
 
2014-06-11 05:17:00 AM
Repeat after me people, Wangiss is a fark WIT. Ignore him. I have and I'm already $250 richer and my teeth are whiter!
 
2014-06-11 08:03:19 AM

Flint Ironstag: Wangiss: Conspiracy! It's the only explanation!!

/Doesn't want government encroachment on his gigabit innertubes.
//Has eight ISPs in his neighborhood because very little government meddling.

I live in the UK and have 200 ISPs to choose from, thanks to government regulations requiring open and equal access to the network from to anyone wanting to start an ISP.


Same here. `Government meddling` can, believe it or not, take the form of ensuring competition instead of stifling it...
 
2014-06-11 05:33:10 PM

narkor: Big internet companies who are getting a free ride want to continue to do so. Get nerds enraged to continue free ride status. News at 11.


You do not understand what a "common carrier" is, do you, or why the telecoms are trying so desperately to prevent being considered as such. Hint: UPS can't charge Amazon extra to deliver their packages, telephone companies can't charge salesmen more to make a sales call as opposed to a personal call, and trains don't charge one grain elevator more than another. The telecoms are being given all sorts of protections and services by the public to do business; therefore, they can't discriminate against any member of the public for economic gain.
 
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