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2014-06-10 11:12:33 AM
Miami winning-ah is best for-ah business.
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2014-06-10 01:19:18 PM
Oh come on...pro sports in general is more bent than a dog's hind leg. There's too much money involved.
 
2014-06-10 01:38:13 PM
Well of course there's a conspiracy!

The league wants the big teams to match up in the Finals! That's why they put huge media markets like Miami and San Antonio in the Finals every year! Everyone's heavily invested in those teams!

And they're always scamming to make the series last longer...sure, you have to ignore that they've had the fewest Finals Game 7s of any sport over the past couple decades to make this claim, but hey, it's all about ignoring facts!

The league wants the Spurs to win this year because they're the epitome of it being about having a good organization and playing good basketball...unless they want the Heat to win because it's all about superstars, baby! Do I have to ignore that the Spurs have stars and that Miami has a good organization? Sure! Does that matter? No!

The league is heavily invested in helping LeBron succeed, which ignores that they PUT HIM IN CLEVELAND to start his career.

The key when discussing NBA conspiracy theories is that you just have to ignore every fact, every time you've been wrong about predicting a series because of your stupid theories, and then you retroactively make one up and hey, CONSPIRACY!
 
2014-06-10 02:11:30 PM
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2014-06-10 02:14:40 PM
My great grandfather was a linesman when the NHL first introduced the position in I think the 50's but dont quote me. He told me even at the time that the league was telling the refs how to see things.

turns out all pro sports are just like pro rasslin. Probably always has been to.
 
2014-06-10 02:15:14 PM
I'm pretty sure I've seen Earl Hebner working a couple of NBA games.
 
2014-06-10 02:15:18 PM
Joey Crawford says what?
 
2014-06-10 02:17:52 PM
If there wasn't a conspiracy would NY and LA be matched up in the Finals? It's about those big media markets.
 
2014-06-10 02:18:08 PM

eagles95: Joey Crawford says what?


Tim Donaghy says who?
 
2014-06-10 02:21:35 PM
What is this doing in the sports tab?
 
2014-06-10 02:24:55 PM

bluorangefyre: Miami winning-ah is best for-ah business.
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just wait until Bosh knocks lebron out in game 7 as Popovich remarks, "There's always a plan B."
 
2014-06-10 02:25:00 PM

Whatthefark: I'm pretty sure I've seen Earl Hebner working a couple of NBA games.


It wouldn't surprise me. If Earl is in the house someone is getting farked over.
 
2014-06-10 02:32:41 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: My great grandfather was a linesman when the NHL first introduced the position in I think the 50's but dont quote me. He told me even at the time that the league was telling the refs how to see things.

turns out all pro sports are just like pro rasslin. Probably always has been to.


I think the term "conspiracy" is too strong, but I think most sports officials would agree that there are external forces that color the way refs make calls. Think of rules concerning things like travelling, which is rarely called because it slows the game and everyone likes wide awake spectators. They might ignore something that seems less important to game play.
 
2014-06-10 02:34:42 PM
IAmRight: Well of course there's a conspiracy!

The league wants the big teams to match up in the Finals! That's why they put huge media markets like Miami and San Antonio in the Finals every year! Everyone's heavily invested in those teams!

And they're always scamming to make the series last longer...sure, you have to ignore that they've had the fewest Finals Game 7s of any sport over the past couple decades to make this claim, but hey, it's all about ignoring facts!


The league wants the Spurs to win this year because they're the epitome of it being about having a good organization and playing good basketball...unless they want the Heat to win because it's all about superstars, baby! Do I have to ignore that the Spurs have stars and that Miami has a good organization? Sure! Does that matter? No!

The league is heavily invested in helping LeBron succeed, which ignores that they PUT HIM IN CLEVELAND to start his career.

The key when discussing NBA conspiracy theories is that you just have to ignore every fact, every time you've been wrong about predicting a series because of your stupid theories, and then you retroactively make one up and hey, CONSPIRACY!

While they may not be outright rigging, there are quite a few questionable games and weirdness going on.

Such as both times Mark Cubans Mavericks were in the finals.  When they won the championship in '11, I still remember game 6, Mavericks up comfortably, then all of a sudden just every call going the Heat's way.  Fortunately for the Mavericks the Heat couldn't sink a FT to save their life.  It was just incredibly strange to watch.

I'm sure there's also some NBA fans that have noticed these certain games where the other team can do whatever it wants, and your team can't even lay a finger without getting a foul called.  Then a few games later it's vice-versa.  It's just strange.

I could go on and on.  I personally don't think the NBA is rigging games (the Mafia possibly might be influencing games based on betting), but theres clearly a lot of biases in the NBA that affect games.  I remember seeing a study where they looked at the officials, noticed something, made them aware of it, then it started to disappear.

Point being, the officials can be biased, affect games, and not even realize it.
 
2014-06-10 02:35:46 PM

links136: IAmRight: Well of course there's a conspiracy!

The league wants the big teams to match up in the Finals! That's why they put huge media markets like Miami and San Antonio in the Finals every year! Everyone's heavily invested in those teams!

And they're always scamming to make the series last longer...sure, you have to ignore that they've had the fewest Finals Game 7s of any sport over the past couple decades to make this claim, but hey, it's all about ignoring facts!

The league wants the Spurs to win this year because they're the epitome of it being about having a good organization and playing good basketball...unless they want the Heat to win because it's all about superstars, baby! Do I have to ignore that the Spurs have stars and that Miami has a good organization? Sure! Does that matter? No!

The league is heavily invested in helping LeBron succeed, which ignores that they PUT HIM IN CLEVELAND to start his career.

The key when discussing NBA conspiracy theories is that you just have to ignore every fact, every time you've been wrong about predicting a series because of your stupid theories, and then you retroactively make one up and hey, CONSPIRACY!

While they may not be outright rigging, there are quite a few questionable games and weirdness going on.

Such as both times Mark Cubans Mavericks were in the finals.  When they won the championship in '11, I still remember game 6, Mavericks up comfortably, then all of a sudden just every call going the Heat's way.  Fortunately for the Mavericks the Heat couldn't sink a FT to save their life.  It was just incredibly strange to watch.

I'm sure there's also some NBA fans that have noticed these certain games where the other team can do whatever it wants, and your team can't even lay a finger without getting a foul called.  Then a few games later it's vice-versa.  It's just strange.

I could go on and on.  I personally don't think the NBA is rigging games (the Mafia possibly might be influencing games based on bet ...


well I farked up the italics.  Let me try that again.

While they may not be outright rigging, there are quite a few questionable games and weirdness going on.

Such as both times Mark Cubans Mavericks were in the finals.  When they won the championship in '11, I still remember game 6, Mavericks up comfortably, then all of a sudden just every call going the Heat's way.  Fortunately for the Mavericks the Heat couldn't sink a FT to save their life.  It was just incredibly strange to watch.

I'm sure there's also some NBA fans that have noticed these certain games where the other team can do whatever it wants, and your team can't even lay a finger without getting a foul called.  Then a few games later it's vice-versa.  It's just strange.

I could go on and on.  I personally don't think the NBA is rigging games (the Mafia possibly might be influencing games based on betting), but theres clearly a lot of biases in the NBA that affect games.  I remember seeing a study where they looked at the officials, noticed something, made them aware of it, then it started to disappear.

Point being, the officials can be biased, affect games, and not even realize it.
 
2014-06-10 02:38:54 PM

Jack Lambert's Missing Teeth: If there wasn't a conspiracy would NY and LA be matched up in the Finals? It's about those big media markets.


No if they really wanted to set it up, Montreal would have gone instead of NY. That would have done more than anything.

I knew an NBA ref that was very well respected in his day. He was always good for stories and exaggerations sometimes, but was adamant that the NBA was not fixed but "instructions" in big games varied a bit much and did seem to tilt things a bit. It was never a flat out "Lakers win this game" but more of a "Boston is famous for doing 'this' and that is against rule 31(c) so be on the lookout for it"
 
2014-06-10 02:40:28 PM
Anymore? or Yet?
 
2014-06-10 02:50:31 PM

gopher321: pro sports in general is more bent than a dog's hind leg


I dunno, even though the Seahawks were the favorite to win the Super Bowl at the beginning of the year, not many outside the PNW actually wanted them to win
 
2014-06-10 02:57:47 PM

bluorangefyre: Miami winning-ah is best for-ah business.
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BAH GAWD KING! LEBRON JAMES HAS BEEN BROKEN IN HALF! DAMN YOU TIM DUNCAN! DAMN YOU TO HELL! DO YOU HAVE NO CONSCIENCE? DO YOU HAVE NO HEART? DO YOU HAVE NO SOUL?!
 
2014-06-10 03:06:23 PM
I've watching the NBA for a long, long time, and am a fan in general.

I'm coming to the realization that, while there is no conspiracy to get certain teams wins, there are more than suspicious playoff games the refs will throw one way or the other in order to lengthen a series.  This was the reason for the famous Sacramento-Los Angeles game in 2001.  And is the reason for the ludicrious fouls on LeBron James during the Miami-Indiana series to eek it out to Game 6.

If Miami looks like they'll wrap up San Antonio in five games, look to that last game turning with a flurry of calls on the Spurs' behalf - regardless of how they're playing - in order to force a Game Six.

I do think this happens.
 
2014-06-10 03:09:10 PM

pkellmey: teenage mutant ninja rapist: My great grandfather was a linesman when the NHL first introduced the position in I think the 50's but dont quote me. He told me even at the time that the league was telling the refs how to see things.

turns out all pro sports are just like pro rasslin. Probably always has been to.

I think the term "conspiracy" is too strong, but I think most sports officials would agree that there are external forces that color the way refs make calls. Think of rules concerning things like travelling, which is rarely called because it slows the game and everyone likes wide awake spectators. They might ignore something that seems less important to game play.


There is no conspiracy or directive to favor one team or another, but the refs are definitely give areas of focus for each game, and these may affect a team more than the other.  For example, they may direct the refs 'Watch the grabbing on baseline cutters', but they wouldn't say 'Call more whistles on Chalmers to free up Parker'.

The one thing that always amuses me about conspiracy theorists is that no one has been able to explain why teams like San Antonio and Utah have been able to have decent success.  These are small market teams with very little national interest, and they have both been to the finals and inn the past 20 years, and have had decent success.  If the league was controlled, San Antonio would not ever make it out of the first round.
 
2014-06-10 03:26:23 PM
Which is one of the reasons that the Suns never win. Not a big enough market.
 
2014-06-10 03:40:28 PM

lifeboat: eagles95: Joey Crawford says what?

Tim Donaghy

  says who?

To be fair, Donaghy was a betting scandal, not a "league affecting the refs" accusation.

Here is the thing about "The leagues only way big markets in the finals"... if that is the case, then put 2-3 teams in every Top 15 TV market and kick out all the "small market" teams... or get over it ("it" being the possibility you'll have an OKC-Indiana Final, or two Canadian teams in your championship, etc).
 
2014-06-10 03:51:12 PM
TV contracts are huge for the NBA during the playoffs so they will always go 7 games in the modern era

Watch some of the "getting even" games and tell me the refs arent blowing bullshiat fouls just to extend the series
 

Refs should eat their damn whistle and let them play IMO
 
2014-06-10 04:03:46 PM

smerfnablin: TV contracts are huge for the NBA during the playoffs so they will always go 7 games in the modern era


Last 10 NBA finals before this season:
4 games: 1
5 games: 3
6 games: 3
7 games: 3

And last 3 have been 7, 5, and 6.

So, yeah, TOTALLY trying to get it to 7 games every year!
 
2014-06-10 04:12:18 PM
The only thing you can't bet on is the weather, because that can't be fixed.
 
2014-06-10 04:17:35 PM
There's a huge difference between conspiring to call a game a certain way and predetermining the outcome.
 
2014-06-10 04:22:22 PM

Crewmannumber6: The only thing you can't bet on is the weather, because that can't be fixed.


San Antonio's HVAC team disagrees.
 
2014-06-10 04:31:30 PM
Yeah, the next time I see LeBron go from the top of the three-point arc without dribbling and converting the layup, I'll say to myself there's nothing out of the ordinary about refereeing.

I know that traveling thing has been around for a very long time for a lot of players.  Still, it just makes me laugh and reminds me of what a farce most refereeing/umpiring whatever is nowadays.
 
2014-06-10 04:32:14 PM
I read that as "Heat ref" for some reason...
 
2014-06-10 04:40:14 PM

LessO2: Still, it just makes me laugh and reminds me of what a farce most refereeing/umpiring whatever is nowadays.


Yeah, why can't it be like the good old days when Michael Jordan raked Reggie Miller's eyes and then threw a punch and Miller got ejected for it while Jordan got nothing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRbt1rrSFc

Bonus: Listen to the blatant homerism from the announcers, too
 
2014-06-10 04:46:18 PM

IAmRight: LessO2: Still, it just makes me laugh and reminds me of what a farce most refereeing/umpiring whatever is nowadays.

Yeah, why can't it be like the good old days when Michael Jordan raked Reggie Miller's eyes and then threw a punch and Miller got ejected for it while Jordan got nothing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRbt1rrSFc

Bonus: Listen to the blatant homerism from the announcers, too


Personally my favorite was when Kurt Thomas's elbow and fist were savagely and repeatedly attacked by Jalen Rose's forehead, resulting in the justified ejection of Rose and horribly misfortunate ejection and suspension of Thomas.
 
2014-06-10 04:52:31 PM

LessO2: Yeah, the next time I see LeBron go from the top of the three-point arc without dribbling and converting the layup, I'll say to myself there's nothing out of the ordinary about refereeing.

I know that traveling thing has been around for a very long time for a lot of players.  Still, it just makes me laugh and reminds me of what a farce most refereeing/umpiring whatever is nowadays.


Here is the funny thing.  I used to say the same thing about a lot of calls (travelling, goaltending, etc) and complain about how the refs get it wrong all the time.  Then they started breaking the plays down a lot more in slow motion.  I am amazed at how often the refs get a tough call right.  No doubt they miss a handful of calls a game.  That's not bad considering how many calls they have to make.
 
2014-06-10 05:20:31 PM

links136: IAmRight: Well of course there's a conspiracy!

The league wants the big teams to match up in the Finals! That's why they put huge media markets like Miami and San Antonio in the Finals every year! Everyone's heavily invested in those teams!

And they're always scamming to make the series last longer...sure, you have to ignore that they've had the fewest Finals Game 7s of any sport over the past couple decades to make this claim, but hey, it's all about ignoring facts!

The league wants the Spurs to win this year because they're the epitome of it being about having a good organization and playing good basketball...unless they want the Heat to win because it's all about superstars, baby! Do I have to ignore that the Spurs have stars and that Miami has a good organization? Sure! Does that matter? No!

The league is heavily invested in helping LeBron succeed, which ignores that they PUT HIM IN CLEVELAND to start his career.

The key when discussing NBA conspiracy theories is that you just have to ignore every fact, every time you've been wrong about predicting a series because of your stupid theories, and then you retroactively make one up and hey, CONSPIRACY!

While they may not be outright rigging, there are quite a few questionable games and weirdness going on.

Such as both times Mark Cubans Mavericks were in the finals.  When they won the championship in '11, I still remember game 6, Mavericks up comfortably, then all of a sudden just every call going the Heat's way.  Fortunately for the Mavericks the Heat couldn't sink a FT to save their life.  It was just incredibly strange to watch.

I'm sure there's also some NBA fans that have noticed these certain games where the other team can do whatever it wants, and your team can't even lay a finger without getting a foul called.  Then a few games later it's vice-versa.  It's just strange.

I could go on and on.  I personally don't think the NBA is rigging games (the Mafia possibly might be influencing games based on bet ...


 i agree with your post quite a bit.  i was thinking about jordan era basketball and comparing the two.  the nba was always a joke, now its just a circus.

i hope duncan gets his fifth and then wanders off to the sunset.  he's part of the old guard in the NBA, one that is virtually 100% gone.
 
2014-06-10 05:27:00 PM

links136: well I farked up the italics. Let me try that again.

While they may not be outright rigging, there are quite a few questionable games and weirdness going on.

Such as both times Mark Cubans Mavericks were in the finals. When they won the championship in '11, I still remember game 6, Mavericks up comfortably, then all of a sudden just every call going the Heat's way. Fortunately for the Mavericks the Heat couldn't sink a FT to save their life. It was just incredibly strange to watch.

I'm sure there's also some NBA fans that have noticed these certain games where the other team can do whatever it wants, and your team can't even lay a finger without getting a foul called. Then a few games later it's vice-versa. It's just strange.

I could go on and on. I personally don't think the NBA is rigging games (the Mafia possibly might be influencing games based on betting), but theres clearly a lot of biases in the NBA that affect games. I remember seeing a study where they looked at the officials, noticed something, made them aware of it, then it started to disappear.

Point being, the officials can be biased, affect games, and not even realize it.


I agree that their are in game biases that can skew calls.  I do not think their is a conspiracy to rig games.   I remember when the Pistons beat Kobe's Lakers, they benefitted from a lot of whistles.  There were a lot of fans and conspiracy theorists who thought that the league rigged the games.  But what possible reason would they have for propping up the Pistons versus Kobe's Lakers?

Refs are human, I think it is possible for them to get in a groove of calling a game a certain way, then not realizing until afterwards that their was a skew in the calls (2006 finals).  Usually, using three man ref crews offers a safeguard against that, but occasionally, the skew still shows through.

All in all, though, I think NBA refs do a very good job in a very tough game to call.
 
2014-06-10 05:54:00 PM

IAmRight: Well of course there's a conspiracy!

The league wants the big teams to match up in the Finals! That's why they put huge media markets like Miami and San Antonio in the Finals every year! Everyone's heavily invested in those teams!

And they're always scamming to make the series last longer...sure, you have to ignore that they've had the fewest Finals Game 7s of any sport over the past couple decades to make this claim, but hey, it's all about ignoring facts!

The league wants the Spurs to win this year because they're the epitome of it being about having a good organization and playing good basketball...unless they want the Heat to win because it's all about superstars, baby! Do I have to ignore that the Spurs have stars and that Miami has a good organization? Sure! Does that matter? No!

The league is heavily invested in helping LeBron succeed, which ignores that they PUT HIM IN CLEVELAND to start his career.

The key when discussing NBA conspiracy theories is that you just have to ignore every fact, every time you've been wrong about predicting a series because of your stupid theories, and then you retroactively make one up and hey, CONSPIRACY!


Well you can't disprove that the NBA bounced the Clippers because of Donald Sterling's remarks(GAME 5!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE), and now the NHL is rewarding Los Angeles for the NBA ousting Donald Sterling by giving the Kings the Stanley Cup, while also favoring their large market over Chicago and New York.
Or something.
 
2014-06-10 09:04:14 PM
Yes, only the NBA is rigged, not like the NFL where the Patriots miraculously turned their season around and won the Super Bowl with a nobody (at the time) 6th round draft pick QB. Like the week after 9/11, their season turned around from pitiful to unstoppable, and of course the 'Tuck Rule', which when read in full means the Raiders get the ball, NOT the Patriots and the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl.

IOf course, as a concession, the Raiders went next year, and their old coach did, too, and the coach won, because who cares about the players? And now the coach has a cushy job in the booth.

CONSPIRACY!
 
2014-06-11 10:46:47 AM
"That's" what "they" want you to think!
 
2014-06-11 01:26:08 PM
Yeah. Never mind that ref who was arrested for gambling on games and admitted skewing games for certain teams. He's a criminal!
 
2014-06-11 05:16:53 PM
Oh.  I thought they meant there's a conspiracy to continue to make the game suck. NBA is a bad product. Mostly it's a  3 point shooting contest.
 
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