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(Think Progress)   What happens when you apply for an immigration visa for your daughter to enter the U.S. the correct way? She waits on line for 21 years only to get turned away for being too old   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 143
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2014-06-10 11:19:10 AM  
My parents considered applying for an immigration visa for my uncles and aunts back in the early 2000s. They were told that it may take as long as 15 years for it to go through.

All the people who keep talking about how there's no need for immigration reform because there is a legal way of getting into the country are either misleading or misled, because the legal way is so lengthy, arcane and labyrinthine that it might as well not be a way at all.
 
2014-06-10 11:50:10 AM  
Shibboleth
 
2014-06-10 12:02:28 PM  

RexTalionis: My parents considered applying for an immigration visa for my uncles and aunts back in the early 2000s. They were told that it may take as long as 15 years for it to go through.

All the people who keep talking about how there's no need for immigration reform because there is a legal way of getting into the country are either misleading or misled, because the legal way is so lengthy, arcane and labyrinthine that it might as well not be a way at all.


100% agree. Even before I knew anyone trying to immigrate I read about what it takes to immigrate legally and it is a farking nightmare. Why in the world should someone who's cleared our background checks and has a sponsor (and even a job lined up!) have to wait more than a year or two? It's stupid. I'd like to see it shaved down to three months. The only obstacle I can think of is that welfare statism gets expensive fast. If we decreased the federal welfare and lets states handle it more, they could balance out their welfare burden with a faster influx of population. Local taxes are generally collected through sales and property tax, which are more enforceable (less dodge-able) on the undocumented. Also, the effects of faster immigration are felt at the local level and counterbalanced at the local level. So they should be governed at the local level. Nebraska and Florida have completely different immigrant welfare concerns. They should be more able to vary their approach to supporting their very different populations.
 
2014-06-10 12:30:14 PM  
When the hell did "on line" start supplanting "in line"? I totally missed the bus on that linguistic shift and it's pissing me off.
 
2014-06-10 12:42:29 PM  

incendi: When the hell did "on line" start supplanting "in line"? I totally missed the bus on that linguistic shift and it's pissing me off.


It happened with the advent of the QWERTY keyboard.
 
2014-06-10 01:12:16 PM  
Foreign citizens have no right to enter this country no matter how long they wait. It is a privilege and any time it's too much of a burden to wait they can always go to other countries that don't require visas.
 
2014-06-10 01:31:48 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Foreign citizens have no right to enter this country no matter how long they wait. It is a privilege and any time it's too much of a burden to wait they can always go to other countries that don't require visas.


1883:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

2014:
"F*ck 'em."

Nice.
 
2014-06-10 01:34:51 PM  
And yet people wonder why people sneak in or overstay the visas they were able to get
 
2014-06-10 02:14:01 PM  

RexTalionis: My parents considered applying for an immigration visa for my uncles and aunts back in the early 2000s. They were told that it may take as long as 15 years for it to go through.

All the people who keep talking about how there's no need for immigration reform because there is a legal way of getting into the country are either misleading or misled, because the legal way is so lengthy, arcane and labyrinthine that it might as well not be a way at all.


And yet cubans are allowed to just come here without any paperwork at all and stay here.
 
2014-06-10 02:15:02 PM  
Questioning the government?  Racist.  They'll get to you when they're good and goddam ready.
 
2014-06-10 02:15:16 PM  
How about we concentrate our efforts on our dying veterans waiting for health care. Thanks.
 
2014-06-10 02:16:06 PM  
NPR covered this yesterday. The immigration system is totally f*cked. Link
 
2014-06-10 02:16:16 PM  
BKITU:

2014:
"F*ck 'em."
 
2014-06-10 02:16:17 PM  
You'd think a Kenyan-born President would do something about this.
 
2014-06-10 02:16:43 PM  

incendi: When the hell did "on line" start supplanting "in line"? I totally missed the bus on that linguistic shift and it's pissing me off.


Maybe it's a Yankee thing, because I've only heard it from New Yorkers on podcasts. I've lived in Texas and California and saying "on line" sounds stupid as hell.
 
2014-06-10 02:17:06 PM  
Were these people brown?

I bet they were brown...
 
2014-06-10 02:17:37 PM  
Do what I did. Marry someone. Stay with them for years, have a kid with them and then divorce them and remain as a Legal Alien. They'll never see it coming!
 
2014-06-10 02:18:03 PM  

Wangiss: They should be more able to vary their approach to supporting their very different populations.


you have the constitution in the way of this proposition. under the delegation of powers, immigration and naturalization is constitutionally limited to the united states legislative branch.  that and the supremacy clause pretty much rules out states being able to decide their own immigration processes.
 
2014-06-10 02:19:13 PM  

TheJoe03: incendi: When the hell did "on line" start supplanting "in line"? I totally missed the bus on that linguistic shift and it's pissing me off.

Maybe it's a Yankee thing, because I've only heard it from New Yorkers on podcasts. I've lived in Texas and California and saying "on line" sounds stupid as hell.


queue?
 
2014-06-10 02:19:15 PM  

HenryFnord: Shibboleth


Subtle.

Well done.
 
2014-06-10 02:19:15 PM  

RexTalionis: My parents considered applying for an immigration visa for my uncles and aunts back in the early 2000s. They were told that it may take as long as 15 years for it to go through.

All the people who keep talking about how there's no need for immigration reform because there is a legal way of getting into the country are either misleading or misled, because the legal way is so lengthy, arcane and labyrinthine that it might as well not be a way at all.


What's the alternative, unless you're going to get rid of quotas? If you want to limit the number of immigrants per year, and there's a high demand, of course it's going to take years.
 
2014-06-10 02:19:31 PM  
Meanwhile, Obama isn't doing deportations anymore, unless the illegal immigrant has committed some other crime, and is offering amnesty to illegal immigrants who came here as children. This has resulted in a recent flood of children crossing the border alone without adults, because the adults stay behind and think they can get in once their children have gotten citizenship.

No wonder people don't bother to actually play by the rules.
 
2014-06-10 02:20:05 PM  

tekmonkey: How about we concentrate our efforts on our dying veterans waiting for health care. Thanks.


One has absolutely nothing to do with the other... But I am sure you knew that.
 
2014-06-10 02:20:07 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Foreign citizens have no right to enter this country no matter how long they wait. It is a privilege and any time it's too much of a burden to wait they can always go to other countries that don't require visas.


I agree.  America should only be for those lucky enough to have been born in America.

Do we ask the winners of our lotteries to share all their winnings away?  No!  They deserve what they got by chance!
 
2014-06-10 02:20:33 PM  
Do it the old fashioned way, walk across the border.

Legal immigration is for suckers.
 
2014-06-10 02:20:51 PM  

ZeroPly: If you want to limit the number of immigrants per year, and there's a high demand, of course it's going to take years.


Two or three years is reasonable. A decade? Two decades? That's extreme.
 
2014-06-10 02:22:21 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Meanwhile, Obama isn't doing deportations anymore


Who told you this?
 
2014-06-10 02:23:04 PM  
At this point, going through the proper channels to enter the US...

is a lot like being 1st in line for general admission seating at a Who concert.
 
2014-06-10 02:23:30 PM  

BBtB: tekmonkey: How about we concentrate our efforts on our dying veterans waiting for health care. Thanks.

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other... But I am sure you knew that.


I'm pretty sure he's not aware that some of those veterans might be brown as well, otherwise he'd move the goalposts further down the line.
 
2014-06-10 02:24:12 PM  
I haven't waited that long for anything "on line" since my old 140-baud cradle modem
 
2014-06-10 02:24:19 PM  
The child in question was not the daughter of the resident alien or citizen, she was the niece of the resident alien or citizen.  She wasn't entitled to squat.

This sucks, but the alternative is to open up expedited residency to the extended family of every immigrant in the country, and that would suck even more.
 
2014-06-10 02:25:41 PM  

Rent Party: The child in question was not the daughter of the resident alien or citizen, she was the niece of the resident alien or citizen.


Are you saying that Fark headlines aren't accurate?
 
2014-06-10 02:26:33 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Wangiss: They should be more able to vary their approach to supporting their very different populations.

you have the constitution in the way of this proposition. under the delegation of powers, immigration and naturalization is constitutionally limited to the united states legislative branch.  that and the supremacy clause pretty much rules out states being able to decide their own immigration processes.


That's the opposite of what I said. States should be more able to react to inflow of immigrants by controlling welfare more. Right now there is very little they can do because most welfare is federal. The federal government shoves 'em in and the state has to figure out how to meet their needs with very little revenue and very little say-so. If a state could say, "Sure, you can come in. There's no welfare for two years, but we trust you're here to work," or somesuch, the state could bear less burden because it would have higher proportional revenue streams from legal immigrants. We could have more immigrants, which is a good thing IMO, the states could make themselves more or less attractive to the people who will become their residents, and we could have less of a stand-off at the federal level so we can concentrate on the important things like who in major league baseball is on drugs.
 
2014-06-10 02:27:28 PM  
My parents were very fortunate.  They worked for UN organizations for over 30 years as permanent residents, but maintained their home citizenships.  They were able to obtain citizenship without too much hassle when they retired.

reason.com
 
2014-06-10 02:27:56 PM  

sendtodave: Rent Party: The child in question was not the daughter of the resident alien or citizen, she was the niece of the resident alien or citizen.

Are you saying that Fark headlines aren't accurate?


I'm just suggesting that the text of the article may be at odds with the text of the headline.

Just asking questions, you know?
 
2014-06-10 02:30:43 PM  
Rent Party:
This sucks, but the alternative is to open up expedited residency to the extended family of every immigrant in the country, and that would suck even more.

At least then they'd have no one or next to no one to send their American income to.
 
2014-06-10 02:32:32 PM  

Wangiss: That's the opposite of what I said. States should be more able to react to inflow of immigrants by controlling welfare more. Right now there is very little they can do because most welfare is federal. The federal government shoves 'em in and the state has to figure out how to meet their needs with very little revenue and very little say-so. If a state could say, "Sure, you can come in. There's no welfare for two years, but we trust you're here to work," or somesuch, the state could bear less burden because it would have higher proportional revenue streams from legal immigrants. We could have more immigrants, which is a good thing IMO, the states could make themselves more or less attractive to the people who will become their residents, and we could have less of a stand-off at the federal level so we can concentrate on the important things like who in major league baseball is on drugs.



Constitution bars limitations on travel between states.  So someone may enter through one state that prioritizes immigration and then move to another state that discourages it.  Which more or less blows up your grand plan.
 
2014-06-10 02:33:18 PM  
Beat it!  Country's full!

simpsonsscreenshots.com

And, to the people who think this is an "efficiency" problem, it's not.  The US limits how many people can legally immigrate.  I'm going to pull some numbers out of my ass.  The accuracy of the numbers is not relevant to my point so save your pedantry.  If 100,000 people per year are allowed to immigrate and 2,000,000 people have applied, it's going to take 20 years for the last person on the list to get in, regardless of how efficiently the applications are processed.  Assuming, of course, that everyone on the list still wants in after being on the list for years.  It may only take 18 years when you take into account the people who give up and/or die while waiting.
 
2014-06-10 02:34:10 PM  

Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: My parents considered applying for an immigration visa for my uncles and aunts back in the early 2000s. They were told that it may take as long as 15 years for it to go through.

All the people who keep talking about how there's no need for immigration reform because there is a legal way of getting into the country are either misleading or misled, because the legal way is so lengthy, arcane and labyrinthine that it might as well not be a way at all.

And yet cubans are allowed to just come here without any paperwork at all and stay here.


Because they vote the "right" way
 
2014-06-10 02:34:18 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Need_MindBleach: Meanwhile, Obama isn't doing deportations anymore

Who told you this?


You can find a lot of news reports about the new policy from a while back, here's a more recent one:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-usa-immigration-obama-i dU SBREA3N2CM20140424

Also note that Obama is not deporting "a record number of people" despite what illegal immigration activists claim; he's the first president to count illegal migrants turned around at the border in his deportation numbers, and that grossly inflates them. In terms of actual illegal immigrants deported from inside the United States, Obama has deported significantly less than the previous few presidents.
 
2014-06-10 02:34:20 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-10 02:35:04 PM  

Warlordtrooper: And yet cubans are allowed to just come here without any paperwork at all and stay here.


Pretty much the same with Haitians and tribal-people from Africa.
 
2014-06-10 02:37:25 PM  

BKITU: PhiloeBedoe: Foreign citizens have no right to enter this country no matter how long they wait. It is a privilege and any time it's too much of a burden to wait they can always go to other countries that don't require visas.

1883:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

2014:
"F*ck 'em."

Nice.


We actually have a higher percentage of immigrants in the US in 2014 than we ever did in 1883. Some 13% of the population are immigrants.
 
2014-06-10 02:37:56 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Warlordtrooper: And yet cubans are allowed to just come here without any paperwork at all and stay here.

Pretty much the same with Haitians and tribal-people from Africa.


Those people who wear them funny clothes and eat that smelly stuff get in real easy, too.

/Amidoinitrite?
 
2014-06-10 02:38:19 PM  

Need_MindBleach: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/24/us-usa-immigration-obama-i dU SBREA3N2CM20140424

Also note that Obama is not deporting "a record number of people" despite what illegal immigration activists claim; he's the first president to count illegal migrants turned around at the border in his deportation numbers, and that grossly inflates them. In terms of actual illegal immigrants deported from inside the United States, Obama has deported significantly less than the previous few presidents.


Thanks for the link. Immigration reform is sitting in the House waiting to be voted on. So here we are.
 
2014-06-10 02:39:01 PM  
Still faster than getting through the waiting list for Packers season tickets.
 
2014-06-10 02:39:33 PM  
how does the US compare to other industrialized nations?  Not trolling, just curious.
 
2014-06-10 02:40:26 PM  

incendi: When the hell did "on line" start supplanting "in line"? I totally missed the bus on that linguistic shift and it's pissing me off.


It's a regional thing. East Coast, generally.
 
2014-06-10 02:41:29 PM  

BKITU: 1883:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



Always was and still is just a poem.  NEVER was actual immigration policy or law.
 
2014-06-10 02:41:30 PM  

AFKobel: HenryFnord: Shibboleth

Subtle.

Well done.


i CAN'T PRONOUNCE THAT
 
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