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(Hot Air)   The IRS may have violated federal tax law   (hotair.com) divider line 91
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2014-06-10 09:25:12 AM  
Thanks to the Patriot Act, the FBI has the unlimited authority to obtain private information from other government agencies. This was part of the "streamlining" measures put in place to ease the transfer of information between various departments. So no, the IRS didn't violate any laws when it transferred private information to the FBI.
 
2014-06-10 09:44:13 AM  
Uh, the article doesn't actually make any case for which law was broken.  You'd think that they'd be able to list some tiny regulation or something that wasn't being followed, but there's nothing to even suggest that what they did was illegal.
 
2014-06-10 09:55:09 AM  
Oh GO AWAY! And don't come back until you've grown up FFS.
 
2014-06-10 10:04:03 AM  
GOP House investigators found something? That means its gotta be true!
 
2014-06-10 10:12:08 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act


Thanks Obama.
 
2014-06-10 10:20:37 AM  
Did it hurt a conservative?  We cannot establish legality until that question is answered.
 
2014-06-10 10:27:10 AM  
is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.
 
2014-06-10 10:30:02 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.


Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.
 
2014-06-10 10:36:07 AM  

ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.


No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.
 
2014-06-10 10:39:59 AM  

El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.


What makes you think they were lying on their tax returns? Because their political views were anti-tax? Should the DEA be able to secure warrants to search your house for drugs just because you advocate legalization of marijuana?
 
2014-06-10 10:54:33 AM  

Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.


Funny thing is, The Patriot Act is one of the few instances where Congress gave America exactly what we asked for.

An astonishingly large number of people were so pants-wettingly frightened, they begged the government to make them feel safe, at any cost.
 
2014-06-10 10:54:40 AM  

Nabb1: El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.

What makes you think they were lying on their tax returns? Because their political views were anti-tax? Should the DEA be able to secure warrants to search your house for drugs just because you advocate legalization of marijuana?


I don't think even TFA goes that far.  It doesn't really specify who's being investigated, or why.  The natural assumption to me is that they're trying to exploit weaknesses or loopholes in the exemption applications - regardless of which side they're for.  That should warrant some scrutiny by the appropriate authorities.
 
2014-06-10 10:58:49 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.

Funny thing is, The Patriot Act is one of the few instances where Congress gave America exactly what we asked for.

An astonishingly large number of people were so pants-wettingly frightened, they begged the government to make them feel safe, at any cost.



At least one person had the balls to vote against it.

Sad that it was only one.
 
2014-06-10 10:59:12 AM  

El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.


How dare the IRS actually do its job and review tax returns! Especially of those REAL AMERICANtmTea partiers! And don't give me that "Well the IRS also reviewed tax returns from many progressive 501(c)s too" crap- we all know those were just phony reviews to cover their true agenda!
 
2014-06-10 11:07:18 AM  

SilentStrider: At least one person had the balls to vote against it.

Sad that it was only one.


Indeed.
 
2014-06-10 11:57:00 AM  

SilentStrider: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.

Funny thing is, The Patriot Act is one of the few instances where Congress gave America exactly what we asked for.

An astonishingly large number of people were so pants-wettingly frightened, they begged the government to make them feel safe, at any cost.


At least one person had the balls to vote against it.

Sad that it was only one.


I agree.
 
2014-06-10 11:57:31 AM  

Dinki: El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.

How dare the IRS actually do its job and review tax returns! Especially of those REAL AMERICANtmTea partiers! And don't give me that "Well the IRS also reviewed tax returns from many progressive 501(c)s too" crap- we all know those were just phony reviews to cover their true agenda!


Well thats not what the issue is.  But strawmen are cool too.

The (new) issue, which is explained better in the WSJ, is that the IRS shared individual taxpayer information, which is required by law to be secure and private, with other government agencies.
 
2014-06-10 11:57:53 AM  

Nabb1: El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.

What makes you think they were lying on their tax returns? Because their political views were anti-tax? Should the DEA be able to secure warrants to search your house for drugs just because you advocate legalization of marijuana?


I thought these were social welfare organizations. Are you saying that in fact they may have been organizations whose primary purpose was political advocacy?
 
2014-06-10 12:00:16 PM  
"Obvious" tag being audited?
I'M JOKING! I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THE IRS! REALLY!
Please don't audit me.
 
2014-06-10 12:02:59 PM  
This reads like the day you were so late to 3rd grade you had to go to that "other" classroom and got a course in a kind of logic from your new classmates that has never made it onto the map and never will.
 
2014-06-10 12:04:23 PM  
From a site called "Hot Air".  I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're incorrect.
 
2014-06-10 12:06:35 PM  

SilentStrider: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.

Funny thing is, The Patriot Act is one of the few instances where Congress gave America exactly what we asked for.

An astonishingly large number of people were so pants-wettingly frightened, they begged the government to make them feel safe, at any cost.


At least one person had the balls to vote against it.

Sad that it was only one.


Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001. A Democrat.
 
2014-06-10 12:06:55 PM  

Carn: From a site called "Hot Air".  I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're incorrect.


It looks like Hot Air...
files.abovetopsecret.com
...is full of hot air
/YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
2014-06-10 12:07:15 PM  
TheIRS
 
2014-06-10 12:08:38 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.

Funny thing is, The Patriot Act is one of the few instances where Congress gave America exactly what we asked for.

An astonishingly large number of people were so pants-wettingly frightened, they begged the government to make them feel safe, at any cost.


And as mentioned above, Obama voted for it's renewal while he was having a cup of coffee in the senate.  An inconvenient truth, I know.
 
2014-06-10 12:08:59 PM  

Jjaro: Dinki: El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.

How dare the IRS actually do its job and review tax returns! Especially of those REAL AMERICANtmTea partiers! And don't give me that "Well the IRS also reviewed tax returns from many progressive 501(c)s too" crap- we all know those were just phony reviews to cover their true agenda!

Well thats not what the issue is.  But strawmen are cool too.

The (new) issue, which is explained better in the WSJ, is that the IRS shared individual taxpayer information, which is required by law to be secure and private, with other government agencies.


Is it not covered by the Patriot Act? (See the comment at the top of the page)

/not a snarky or rhetorical question
 
2014-06-10 12:09:07 PM  
Note that the story from TFA identifies Darrell Issa as a Democrat. That should tell you all you need to know about the credibility of Hot Air.
 
2014-06-10 12:10:34 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act, the FBI has the unlimited authority to obtain private information from other government agencies. This was part of the "streamlining" measures put in place to ease the transfer of information between various departments. So no, the IRS didn't violate any laws when it transferred private information to the FBI.


Umm. No. They are not allowed to violate 6103 laws.

Even more damning is that the transfer wasnt even requested by the DoJ but apparently by Lerner and crew to initiate a criminal charge on their own.
 
2014-06-10 12:11:26 PM  
I'm not even sure how an agency can break a law, exactly.  It's not like it's an incorporated entity with holdings.  It's certainly possible for employees to break the law.  But what can the IRS as a whole that's illegal?
 
2014-06-10 12:11:37 PM  
[vague concerns blah blah blah ... jeez. Is there a point to all this rambling?]

Rep. Darrell Issa (D-CA)

[facepalm.jpg]
 
2014-06-10 12:11:54 PM  

DamnYankees: GOP House investigators found something? That means its gotta be true!


Yes. We know. You are okay with breaking the law as long as it helps your team. Emails and documents aren't valid proof if a GOP person has ever touched it. We get it. You live in a simple, fragile world immune to contradictory information.
 
2014-06-10 12:12:15 PM  

packman_jon: Carn: From a site called "Hot Air".  I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're incorrect.

It looks like Hot Air...
[files.abovetopsecret.com image 300x208]
...is full of hot air
/YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


You're doing it wrong.
 
2014-06-10 12:12:20 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.


Thanks DICK Cheney.
 
2014-06-10 12:14:27 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.

Funny thing is, The Patriot Act is one of the few instances where Congress gave America exactly what we asked for.

An astonishingly large number of people were so pants-wettingly frightened, they begged the government to make them feel safe, at any cost.


Yup.  And most of the people who are metaphorically jerking off on their Gadsden flags around here are the same people who spent days crying in terror when some guy tried to light his dick on fire on a plane.  People would vote for it again in a heartbeat
 
2014-06-10 12:15:14 PM  
The Constitution is an a la carte menu to liberals
 
2014-06-10 12:16:31 PM  

ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.


It wasnt an extra form.

Look, liberals love thos disparate impact analysis. It is how they prove racism even when there is no overt racism. House ownership lower than whites? Banks are racost. Liberals love it.

Here we have documented disparate impact on scales never seen. Average liberal group, 3 months for decision. Average conservative group, 3 years.

Questions includi including what are the names of the children in the learning group. What are the contents of your prayers. Etc.

Pro Publica admits multiple donor lists were leaked to them by IRS employees, holder refuses to investigate the felony. Multiple 6103 violations, no investigation.

It is amazing to watch liberals excuse all of this behavior because "fark the tea party and conservatives."

The jealous eyes you must have when looking at Venezuela's ability to shiat down anti-party media sources.
 
2014-06-10 12:17:34 PM  

DubyaHater: The Constitution is an a la carte menu to liberals


And Conservatives treat it like toilet paper.
 
2014-06-10 12:19:37 PM  

Dinki: And don't give me that "Well the IRS also reviewed tax returns from many progressive 501(c)s too" crap- we all know those were just phony reviews to cover their true agenda!


They sent the FBI after progressive 501(c)s?

citationneeded.jpg

/Leave Obama alone!!!
 
2014-06-10 12:19:38 PM  
In before the irony nazi's have determined that this is, in fact, not irony, since the IRS does not enforce, and it would only be ironic if federal law enforcement would be blah blah blah...
 
2014-06-10 12:19:43 PM  
"The IRS apparently considered political speech by nonprofit groups to be so troublesome that it illegally assisted federal law-enforcement officials in assembling a massive database of the lawful political speech of thousands of American citizens, weeks before the 2010 midterm elections, using confidential taxpayer information," the letter continued."

Probably some religious nutjob who can't handle someone saying "God is not real".
 
2014-06-10 12:20:27 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: In before the irony nazi's have determined that this is, in fact, not irony, since the IRS does not enforce, and it would only be ironic if federal law enforcement would be blah blah blah...


Hey pal, that makes you the Irony Nazi.
 
2014-06-10 12:20:34 PM  

Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.


And then when the Blah guy was president and going to use the Patriot Act for its intended uses and all those senators voted to deny its renewal but then All Powerful Shah of Kenya used his mighty veto pen to write it back into law using ReaganBlood(TM) as an insult on the face of the Constitution but at least the Republican Americans tried to stop him.
 
2014-06-10 12:21:12 PM  

StopLurkListen: [vague concerns blah blah blah ... jeez. Is there a point to all this rambling?]

Rep. Darrell Issa (D-CA)

[facepalm.jpg]


If that guy ever gets anything remotely resembling a valid point, nobody will believe him.

img.fark.net
 
2014-06-10 12:21:46 PM  

MyRandomName: House ownership lower than whites? Banks are racost.


Several of the big banks paid out large settlements because of their predatory lending practices towards minorities. This wasn't 1965, this was a couple of years ago.
 
2014-06-10 12:21:53 PM  

Dinki: El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.

How dare the IRS actually do its job and review tax returns! Especially of those REAL AMERICANtmTea partiers! And don't give me that "Well the IRS also reviewed tax returns from many progressive 501(c)s too" crap- we all know those were just phony reviews to cover their true agenda!


It is funny because so many of those so-called "tea party" groups are total scams that have a few people making huge amounts of money and the then buying into "issue pools" for a few pennies to sponsor or fabricate some of the crudest derp on the internet. When a blogsite can be owned by several thousand people and covered under an umbrella of non-profit status you'll always have shenanigans going on with the finances. Look at Sarah Palin. She's become very wealthy by merely voicing her opinions that are really just repetitions of the active issue of the moment as reported on these same blogs, all while hinting she "might" run for office again some day. She has no original thoughts of her own whatsoever. But it doesn't matter, because she's making bank on it all.
 
2014-06-10 12:23:04 PM  
Doesn't matter what the IRS does. Sure there will be big bonuses paid out.
 
2014-06-10 12:23:09 PM  
when the law does not apply to everyone equally, then there is no law...
 
2014-06-10 12:23:26 PM  

DubyaHater: The Constitution is an a la carte menu to liberals


And just a piece of paper to Conservatives.
 
2014-06-10 12:24:43 PM  

robbiex0r: Nabb1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lost Thought 00: Thanks to the Patriot Act

Thanks Obama.

Well, he did vote for it's renewal as Senator. I think you can hang some responsibility for that one on him along with the rest of the crowd.

And then when the Blah guy was president and going to use the Patriot Act for its intended uses and all those senators voted to deny its renewal but then All Powerful Shah of Kenya used his mighty veto pen to write it back into law using ReaganBlood(TM) as an insult on the face of the Constitution but at least the Republican Americans tried to stop him.


What on Earth are you babbling about?
 
2014-06-10 12:25:52 PM  

Dinki: El_Perro: ManateeGag: is this still about how political groups had to fill out an extra form?  grow the fark up, you pussies.

No, this is about how political groups that were possibly lying on their tax returns were investigated for possibly lying on their tax returns.

How dare the IRS actually do its job and review tax returns! Especially of those REAL AMERICANtmTea partiers! And don't give me that "Well the IRS also reviewed tax returns from many progressive 501(c)s too" crap- we all know those were just phony reviews to cover their true agenda!


Why'd they send it to the FBI if they did their job? If they found crimes, don't you think they'd be using that excuse? They found no violations but they sent info the the FBI. This was part of an intimidation scheme by government agents with political agendas using government powers to hassle taxpayers with which they had political disagreements.

It's pretty farking obvious what was going on and it's apologists like you that pretend you don't get it.
 
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