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2014-06-11 05:09:44 AM  
I am the conscience of the Internet and I do choke chain these miserable barnacles on society every chance I get. They need to either be corrected or burned to ash.
 
2014-06-11 06:43:55 AM  

s2s2s2: liam76: In which one did the conspiracy involve thousands of pilots and Maintanence personnel to lie about their direct involvement?

LOL. Because pilots and maintenance personnel are always FULLY briefed on every detail of the produce of their work. Love that one.

Even so, it wouldn't be the first time thousands of people let a conspiracy slip by their sleuthy noses.


You don't need to be fully briefed to know you are taking off with a couple hundred extra pounds and, equipment to dump it in flight.

Yeah, it would be the first time.

kab: liam76: In which one did the conspiracy involve thousands of pilots and Maintanence personnel to lie about their direct involvement?

Someone has no idea what 'classified' means.


SOmeone grossly overestimates the power of stamping something as classified, and ignores the numerous civilian pilots who woudl have no reason to respect such a lable.


/two new names ontot he "chemtrail moron list" it has been a while since I added to that one.
 
2014-06-11 08:13:20 AM  

liam76: s2s2s2: liam76: In which one did the conspiracy involve thousands of pilots and Maintanence personnel to lie about their direct involvement?

LOL. Because pilots and maintenance personnel are always FULLY briefed on every detail of the produce of their work. Love that one.

Even so, it wouldn't be the first time thousands of people let a conspiracy slip by their sleuthy noses.

You don't need to be fully briefed to know you are taking off with a couple hundred extra pounds and, equipment to dump it in flight.

Yeah, it would be the first time.

kab: liam76: In which one did the conspiracy involve thousands of pilots and Maintanence personnel to lie about their direct involvement?

Someone has no idea what 'classified' means.

SOmeone grossly overestimates the power of stamping something as classified, and ignores the numerous civilian pilots who woudl have no reason to respect such a lable.


/two new names ontot he "chemtrail moron list" it has been a while since I added to that one.


Cloud seeding programs are well known, so "extra weight" is a negligible factor. You don't think good.
 
2014-06-11 01:19:46 PM  

ikanreed: the_sidewinder: I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it

Some people really just don't want to debate at all.  They don't see the value in having their ideas challenged.

I pity and fear them, but it's not like that's illegal.


I worked with a woman like this and have a few in-laws like this. They don't care about the truth; they just want to be right.
 
2014-06-11 02:21:32 PM  

s2s2s2: liam76: s2s2s2: liam76: In which one did the conspiracy involve thousands of pilots and Maintanence personnel to lie about their direct involvement?

LOL. Because pilots and maintenance personnel are always FULLY briefed on every detail of the produce of their work. Love that one.


You don't need to be fully briefed to know you are taking off with a couple hundred extra pounds and, equipment to dump it in flight.


/two new names ontot he "chemtrail moron list" it has been a while since I added to that one.

Cloud seeding programs are well known, so "extra weight" is a negligible factor. You don't think good.


So since cloud seeding is possible, extra weight on an aircraft is a negligible factor?

You think the possibility of cloud seeding changes the basic laws of aerodynamics so extra weigh doesn't matter when flying?

Are you really this dumb?
 
2014-06-11 03:06:05 PM  

liam76: s2s2s2: liam76: s2s2s2: liam76: In which one did the conspiracy involve thousands of pilots and Maintanence personnel to lie about their direct involvement?

LOL. Because pilots and maintenance personnel are always FULLY briefed on every detail of the produce of their work. Love that one.


You don't need to be fully briefed to know you are taking off with a couple hundred extra pounds and, equipment to dump it in flight.


/two new names ontot he "chemtrail moron list" it has been a while since I added to that one.

Cloud seeding programs are well known, so "extra weight" is a negligible factor. You don't think good.

So since cloud seeding is possible, extra weight on an aircraft is a negligible factor?

You think the possibility of cloud seeding changes the basic laws of aerodynamics so extra weigh doesn't matter when flying?

Are you really this dumb?


So you think cloud seeding is done by having pilots "seed" the clouds with their hopes and dreams?

Maybe that last question is for yourself?
 
2014-06-11 03:22:37 PM  

s2s2s2: liam76: s2s2s2: liam76: s2s2s2: liam76: In which one did the conspiracy involve thousands of pilots and Maintanence personnel to lie about their direct involvement?

LOL. Because pilots and maintenance personnel are always FULLY briefed on every detail of the produce of their work. Love that one.


You don't need to be fully briefed to know you are taking off with a couple hundred extra pounds and, equipment to dump it in flight.


/two new names ontot he "chemtrail moron list" it has been a while since I added to that one.

Cloud seeding programs are well known, so "extra weight" is a negligible factor. You don't think good.

So since cloud seeding is possible, extra weight on an aircraft is a negligible factor?

You think the possibility of cloud seeding changes the basic laws of aerodynamics so extra weigh doesn't matter when flying?

Are you really this dumb?

So you think cloud seeding is done by having pilots "seed" the clouds with their hopes and dreams?


No, I think they fly with lots of fluid and a means to spray it.

Nowhere did I indicaite that spraying fluid in air was hard to do.

I pointed out that pilots know if they are flying around with hundreds of extra pounds in fluids, and they know if they are flying around with equipment to spray said fluid, if they didn't they couldn't properly judge how much fuel they would need, how much fuel they are going to burn at set speed, can't do a proper weigh and balance, etc.

After I did that you said extra weigh was "negligible" just because cloud seeding was possble. So you are either too stupid to know that cloud seeding doesn't change the basic laws of aerodynamics, or you are pulling strawmen out of your ass.

Either way at this point I shoudl know not to waste my time with chemtrail morons.
 
2014-06-11 03:24:34 PM  

liam76: So since cloud seeding is possible, extra weight on an aircraft is a negligible factor?


Was on my iPad. So let's focus on this.

I said that cloud seeding programs are in effect. They are more than just possible. There are also projects to simply provide "overcasting". These planes are equipped with that "extra weight" you are talking about.
Pilots' knowing what that extra weight actually is, is what I am questioning. Not every pilot is fully briefed on their payload. Here is a picture I took of some trails as the planes flew:
i.imgur.com
I don't claim to know what is in those trails, but I know they lasted for hours. Also not the most trails I've seen at one time. I took the picture because it was live action, and very cool looking.

This one was directly over my house on a really hot, clear day. No planes in the image, but they were still visible from the ground.
i.imgur.com
 
2014-06-11 03:30:40 PM  

liam76: I pointed out that pilots know if they are flying around with hundreds of extra pounds in fluids, and they know if they are flying around with equipment to spray said fluid, if they didn't they couldn't properly judge how much fuel they would need, how much fuel they are going to burn at set speed, can't do a proper weigh and balance, etc.


So your assumption is that whatever they would need to do a "chemtrail" would have to be in addition to the other fluids used in cloud seeding?

This is where you seem to be having trouble understanding you aren't making much sense.

I'm not certain chemtrails are a real thing. I am certain our government has repeatedly experimented on uninformed civilians without any disclosure, and gotten away with it for years until the documents are declassified. So the idea that it couldn't be done, and kept secret is pretty silly.
 
2014-06-11 03:31:09 PM  

s2s2s2: These planes are equipped with that "extra weight" you are talking about.


Prove it.

Given the right conditions you can form those contrails with no seeding.

s2s2s2: Pilots' knowing what that extra weight actually is, is what I am questioning. Not every pilot is fully briefed on their payload.


No professional pilto is going to take off regularly with hundreds fo extra pouinds of fluid having no idea if it is there.


s2s2s2: I don't claim to know what is in those trails, but I know they lasted for hours.


I recommend you take up some basic physics courses because I can't spoonfeed the intentionally stupid.

But the fact is that you are implying every respected metrorologist and aeronoautical engineer (not to mention a number of amateur mechanical engineers among others) are lying about how contrails are formed.

Have fun with that, but you accusing pros of lying with no undersatnding of what is going hardly puts history on your side.
 
2014-06-11 03:49:31 PM  

liam76: Prove it.


So we are back to "cloud seeding is magic"? Let me do it this way: "Hey Mac, you're taking this plane up for some cloud seeding. You know when to push the buttons, Here's what you're flying with." *pilot is briefed with accurate weight information, not a detailed ingredients list*

Ta Da! There IS not "extra" weight.

liam76: Given the right conditions you can form those contrails with no seeding.


Absolutely NO argument from me, there. Contrails are a common thing that happens in flight. I do NOT have any reason to BELIEVE that "chemtrails" are a real thing, only certainty that they are a possibility.

We can agree Iraq had a lot to do with oil, right? Can we prove it? I mean, we can look and see that it's likely, but can we PROVE it?

liam76: No professional pilto is going to take off regularly with hundreds fo extra pouinds of fluid having no idea if it is there


Are they going to test it? Again, the idea of "extra" fluid is something you are making up. Any chemicals would be in the "cloud seeding" tanks.

liam76: I recommend you take up some basic physics courses because I can't spoonfeed the intentionally stupid.


Thanks. Can I offer you some light reading?
rookiepastor.com
I kid.
I kid.
 
2014-06-11 09:19:58 PM  

s2s2s2: So we are back to "cloud seeding is magic"? Let me do it this way: "Hey Mac, you're taking this plane up for some cloud seeding. You know when to push the buttons, Here's what you're flying with." *pilot is briefed with accurate weight information, not a detailed ingredients list*


No, I want you to prove that those planes that put out the contrails from your picture were there to "seed clouds" or provide coverage and weren't just flying.

Those are your claims.

You have presented proof of contrails, and claimed that the planes were equipped with equipment and fluid for seeding, but you have provided no proof for it.

And for the records most chemtrail tards claim that all contrails are chemicals, if you are just claiming that it is only "cloudseeding" aircraft that do that, then what is the point?

s2s2s2: I do NOT have any reason to BELIEVE that "chemtrails" are a real thing, only certainty that they are a possibility.


A possibility contingent upon pilots having no idea what they are flying around with.

Now you have made it very clear that you are ignorant enough about aviation to think that is perfectly normal. The question is if you are stupid enough to think that "a thing is possible" means that the history is on your side wrt it happening (the argument at hand).

s2s2s2: We can agree Iraq had a lot to do with oil, right? Can we prove it? I mean, we can look and see that it's likely, but can we PROVE it?


Yeah. A senior Bush official calling out Iraq's oil as a reason makes it pretty clear to me.


s2s2s2: Are they going to test it? Again, the idea of "extra" fluid is something you are making up. Any chemicals would be in the "cloud seeding" tanks.


No I am not "making up" extra fluid.

If you are arguing it is only cloud seeding planes, then it is such a tiny amount of aircraft it wouldn't have an effect unless they were laying down enough whatever it is that it was traceable to individual aircraft.

You are still talking about a black ops group that flies completely off the record, or sneaks into chemical companies and replaces regular could seeding fluids (and you have yet to put forth a number of them) has been doing so for years and nobody has come forth.
 
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