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2014-06-10 09:02:42 AM
Actually, the article is really saying that the problem is as much based on their behavior as it is based on your behavior. As in, if you participate in the forwarding or dissemination of this sort of stuff, you are just as culpable as them. But we all know that you have good reasons, of course, and when you submit the latest bit of Trutherism or Belieberocity or wacky Kardashian update, it's because of that, not this.
 
2014-06-10 09:23:38 AM
If everyone reading this pees on their hands, Casey Kasem will be cured.
 
2014-06-10 10:31:39 AM
I just wasted more time reading the author's whining than the video is long. I...I feel dirty.
 
2014-06-10 11:20:11 AM
Slate doesn't have a problem giving credence to bullshiat by writing my favorite website about it.
 
2014-06-10 11:23:22 AM
But I am assured that I have a homeopathy kit that doctors HATE.  Doctors hating things make them good, right?
 
2014-06-10 11:24:56 AM
Lock'em up in a nut house

German man locked up over HVB bank allegations may have been telling truth

Wednesday 28 November 2012 13.04 EST
Gustl Mollath was put in a psychiatric unit for claiming his wife was involved in money-laundering at the Bavarian bank. But seven years on evidence has emerged that could set him free
 
2014-06-10 11:32:26 AM
I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it
 
2014-06-10 11:35:04 AM

the_sidewinder: I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it


Well forget them, they were only "friends" it's not as if you came out of it at a loss.
 
2014-06-10 11:44:47 AM
Like this author I had a truly "normal" FB friend who started posting the post-Sandy Hook garbage that the kids weren't real and it never happened. I was astounded and asked if he really believed it had been faked and his response was similar "I don't know, but I think we need to keep asking questions because it doesn't add up."  Sorry, the fact that one parent on TV didn't cry does not mean his child wasn't murdered and someone an entire town decided to fake a massacre and keep quiet about it.

Also, the easiest way to disprove these is the following question: If the government was willing to murder 3000 civilians on 9/11, why wouldn't they also murder the one guy on the internet who has supposedly outed them? Or, if the government is so evil to fake a massacre of all those kids, why wouldn't they just drug some nutjob psychopath and convince him to shoot up the school himself?

//Favorite one is "The TV announced WTC7 collapse minutes before it happened! They were clearly reading from a script!"  <-- If you were going to intentionally implode three buildings in Manhattan, why would you even need a script for the news to read? They would be there reporting it live anyway... and would involve a whole lot less risk.
 
2014-06-10 11:49:24 AM

dukeblue219: Like this author I had a truly "normal" FB friend who started posting the post-Sandy Hook garbage that the kids weren't real and it never happened. I was astounded and asked if he really believed it had been faked and his response was similar "I don't know, but I think we need to keep asking questions because it doesn't add up."  Sorry, the fact that one parent on TV didn't cry does not mean his child wasn't murdered and someone an entire town decided to fake a massacre and keep quiet about it.

Also, the easiest way to disprove these is the following question: If the government was willing to murder 3000 civilians on 9/11, why wouldn't they also murder the one guy on the internet who has supposedly outed them? Or, if the government is so evil to fake a massacre of all those kids, why wouldn't they just drug some nutjob psychopath and convince him to shoot up the school himself?

//Favorite one is "The TV announced WTC7 collapse minutes before it happened! They were clearly reading from a script!"  <-- If you were going to intentionally implode three buildings in Manhattan, why would you even need a script for the news to read? They would be there reporting it live anyway... and would involve a whole lot less risk.


It is exactly that thought process that makes me want to go on a shooting rampage.   The "Anything is possible" or "we'll never know the truth" or "it doesn't add up" etc.  Goddamnit I miss the days when idiots were too stupid to get on the internet.
 
2014-06-10 11:49:59 AM
FTA: "My friend is a normal, I thought."

That's some mighty fine writin', Slate.
 
2014-06-10 11:53:05 AM
I had someone ask me about chemtrails, one on one, at my son's baseball game last night.  First time I've ever really talked to the guy.  Tells me his life story, and when we see an airplane that is distracting the boys, he asks really sheepishly if I'd heard about chemicals in plane trails.

I told him they are just condensation, really.  It's a simple but interesting phenomenon, but no, the government is not raining mind control on us.

Thankfully, he appears to be a decent skeptic.

//Except about aliens, but even I think that it is ludicrous to think we are alone in the universe.  Whether they've been here or not, well, I highly doubt it.
 
2014-06-10 11:57:08 AM
I kinda feel sorry for the shiatstorm this guy is going to receive from the insane truther portion of the internet.
 
2014-06-10 12:01:47 PM

the_sidewinder: I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it


Some people really just don't want to debate at all.  They don't see the value in having their ideas challenged.

I pity and fear them, but it's not like that's illegal.
 
2014-06-10 12:04:31 PM
George Orwell - 'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.'
 
2014-06-10 12:05:06 PM

neversubmit: Well forget them, they were only "friends" it's not as if you came out of it at a loss.


That's my view. I did my best, I tried to show how the flaws on the topic, and all I got was a person that spouts this kind of stuff removing themselves from my life. Not a bad thing, and hell, I have fewer facepalm moments now on my feed
 
2014-06-10 12:06:33 PM

the_sidewinder: I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it



I have a family member who posts nothing but anti-GMO and anti-vaxx bullshiat. If you make the mistake of engaging with him on the subject he will bury you with links to "studies" from "scientific journals", literally hundreds of pages of complete bunk pseudoscience. If you still attempt a discussion, your position is dismissed and marginalized because you didn't read and understand ALL of the studies in the links. If you link to something that disproves or debunks his position it's dismissed as a hit piece or is proof of an even larger conspiracy. There's no talking to people like this. They take polite disregard as acceptance so I've evolved my response from "agree to disagree" to open hostility if and when something I post sparks the need for him to "educate" me.

They hate being wrong. They can't be wrong. They're right dammit because they did the research! They're too smart to fall for quackery. Also, in the case of anti-vaxxers, they can't be wrong because admitting such would mean admitting that they've ben putting their childrens' lives at risk for the sake of a little attention whoring.
 
2014-06-10 12:06:53 PM

meat0918: I had someone ask me about chemtrails, one on one, at my son's baseball game last night.  First time I've ever really talked to the guy. Tells me his life story, and when we see an airplane that is distracting the boys, he asks really sheepishly if I'd heard about chemicals in plane trails.

I told him they are just condensation, really.  It's a simple but interesting phenomenon, but no, the government is not raining mind control on us.

Thankfully, he appears to be a decent skeptic.

//Except about aliens, but even I think that it is ludicrous to think we are alone in the universe.  Whether they've been here or not, well, I highly doubt it.


He might've been feeling you out as much as the other way around. Like when one of the pediatricians we were interviewing said "so, how about them vaccines?" and was relieved when I said "vaccines are perhaps the single greatest scientific advancement in human history. We would like our soon-to-be daughter to have all of them. All the vaccines."
 
2014-06-10 12:08:24 PM
I've seen this one on Farcebook.

i.imgur.com

/quantum facepalm
 
2014-06-10 12:11:11 PM

the_sidewinder: neversubmit: Well forget them, they were only "friends" it's not as if you came out of it at a loss.

That's my view. I did my best, I tried to show how the flaws on the topic, and all I got was a person that spouts this kind of stuff removing themselves from my life. Not a bad thing, and hell, I have fewer facepalm moments now on my feed


You probably caused them actual physical pain from the strain of thinking, so they retreated back to their echo chambers.
 
2014-06-10 12:13:15 PM

the_sidewinder: I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it


Yep. Had a friend recently who solicited advice about alternative vaccine schedules, but requested that nobody start "vaccine wars" on her post. I linked a few citations about the lack of evidence that alternative schedules help in any way, and may increase risks. That was apparently "war" enough to get my comment deleted.

Refutations for nonsense are not always popular, it would seem.
 
2014-06-10 12:14:10 PM
If the 9-11 commission hadn't been such a clusterfark of misinformation, maybe people wouldn't come up with crazier theories.
 
2014-06-10 12:17:18 PM
All I know is that MK Ultra really did actually happen and is an accepted fact.  If that doesn't horrify you then I think you have your head in the sand.
 
2014-06-10 12:17:29 PM

Spad31: I just wasted more time reading the author's whining than the video is long. I...I feel dirty.


Yeah, but the author has an actual point... That video is a goddamn joke and spreads not just misinformation, but easily debunked misinformation. He could have written the whole thing in a paragraph or two, though.
 
2014-06-10 12:18:16 PM
Everyone laughed at the global surveillance theories, too.
 
2014-06-10 12:20:28 PM

robertus: meat0918: I had someone ask me about chemtrails, one on one, at my son's baseball game last night.  First time I've ever really talked to the guy. Tells me his life story, and when we see an airplane that is distracting the boys, he asks really sheepishly if I'd heard about chemicals in plane trails.

I told him they are just condensation, really.  It's a simple but interesting phenomenon, but no, the government is not raining mind control on us.

Thankfully, he appears to be a decent skeptic.

//Except about aliens, but even I think that it is ludicrous to think we are alone in the universe.  Whether they've been here or not, well, I highly doubt it.

He might've been feeling you out as much as the other way around. Like when one of the pediatricians we were interviewing said "so, how about them vaccines?" and was relieved when I said "vaccines are perhaps the single greatest scientific advancement in human history. We would like our soon-to-be daughter to have all of them. All the vaccines."


I kinda got that feeling too.

He also believes in evolution, just has a poor understanding of it, which is fine.

I did not prompt any of that, just stuff he let spill out while we were watching the game.

I really wish I knew why people I've just met will tell me their life story.  I think it's because I listen, nothing more.
 
2014-06-10 12:21:39 PM

Mikey1969: Yeah, but the author has an actual point... That video is a goddamn joke and spreads not just misinformation, but easily debunked misinformation.


I laughed when I watched the video, too(a while back). It's the difference in "World politics is controlled by bankers" and "World politics is controlled by lizard aliens with holographic cloaking technology to allow them to appear human".

Edward proved that dismissing all conspiracy theory out of hand is irresponsible.
 
2014-06-10 12:22:05 PM

Shmeat: I've seen this one on Farcebook.

[i.imgur.com image 480x424]

/quantum facepalm


I see stuff like that and I assume that some wise guy is trying to come up with the most ridiculous stuff possible that he can get people to believe.  IIRC that's how the whole "you swallow x spiders a year" thing was started.

One of my favorites:
i.imgur.com


Regarding vaccines, my wife's friend had a baby not too long ago and she (the friend) was making noises about maybe holding off on the whole vaccine thing.  My wife went ballistic.  In the end, it took showing her photos of kids with polio and all sorts of diseases to convince her that vaccines are a good thing.
 
2014-06-10 12:25:47 PM

meat0918: I told him they are just condensation, really.  It's a simple but interesting phenomenon, but no, the government is not raining mind control on us.


Maybe not mind control, but definitely experiments
 
2014-06-10 12:26:33 PM

hstein3: the_sidewinder: I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it

Yep. Had a friend recently who solicited advice about alternative vaccine schedules, but requested that nobody start "vaccine wars" on her post. I linked a few citations about the lack of evidence that alternative schedules help in any way, and may increase risks. That was apparently "war" enough to get my comment deleted.

Refutations for nonsense are not always popular, it would seem.


I believe it is because they think they have special knowledge and power when they are otherwise powerless against the world.  Plus, you want to believe you've found out some secret, special thing.

I've seen reason and evidence get through though, once or twice.  Holy hell, you will never see a more ardent support of vaccines than one who was misled into not vaccinating, and the shiat they get from their former "friends" is insane.
 
2014-06-10 12:31:32 PM

Shmeat: I've seen this one on Farcebook.

[i.imgur.com image 480x424]

/quantum facepalm


Except food poisoning is real, and cut vegetables tend to have less natural defenses(outer layers tend to be less digestible and have more anti-bacterial toxins) against bacterial growth.  Except for overstating the case, there's nothing wrong with the assertions here.

I mean, it's not raw meat, that relied on an active immune system in life, and will get really dangerous really quickly, but there's only hyperbole as a problem here.
 
2014-06-10 12:32:31 PM

s2s2s2: Mikey1969: Yeah, but the author has an actual point... That video is a goddamn joke and spreads not just misinformation, but easily debunked misinformation.

I laughed when I watched the video, too(a while back). It's the difference in "World politics is controlled by bankers" and "World politics is controlled by lizard aliens with holographic cloaking technology to allow them to appear human".

Edward proved that dismissing all conspiracy theory out of hand is irresponsible.


It might explain a LOT... :-)
 
2014-06-10 12:33:21 PM

s2s2s2: meat0918: I told him they are just condensation, really.  It's a simple but interesting phenomenon, but no, the government is not raining mind control on us.

Maybe not mind control, but definitely experiments


See, this is an example of something that was done,(and yes, I remember reading about these trials) being conflated with something far worse, and to me is actually evidence of how hard it is to keep a big secret program secret.

Bits and pieces had leaked out over the years, so while I would not be surprised if the military had redone an experiment or two after 9/11 or had done their own dispersion experiments in the US, I don't believe every single plane flying through the sky is spraying chemical agents over the world today.
 
2014-06-10 12:35:22 PM

s2s2s2: meat0918: I told him they are just condensation, really.  It's a simple but interesting phenomenon, but no, the government is not raining mind control on us.

Maybe not mind control, but definitely experiments


Maybe not chemtrails, but definitely mind control - yes there is a little snark there :)

Donald Ewen Cameron
 
2014-06-10 12:35:36 PM

ikanreed: Shmeat: I've seen this one on Farcebook.

[i.imgur.com image 480x424]

/quantum facepalm

Except food poisoning is real, and cut vegetables tend to have less natural defenses(outer layers tend to be less digestible and have more anti-bacterial toxins) against bacterial growth.  Except for overstating the case, there's nothing wrong with the assertions here.

I mean, it's not raw meat, that relied on an active immune system in life, and will get really dangerous really quickly, but there's only hyperbole as a problem here.


Yes, but a better image macro would say "In order to reduce the risk of cross contamination, don't cut an onion with the same cutting board and knife you just cut the meat with unless you've washed the cutting board and knife with hot soapy water first."
 
2014-06-10 12:35:51 PM
 
2014-06-10 12:35:58 PM

meat0918: Bits and pieces had leaked out over the years, so while I would not be surprised if the military had redone an experiment or two after 9/11 or had done their own dispersion experiments in the US, I don't believe every single plane flying through the sky is spraying chemical agents over the world today.


The article does mention similar experiments in the US, decades ago. The idea that every plane is spraying something sinister is obviously wrong. The idea that none of them are is naive.
 
2014-06-10 12:38:06 PM

neversubmit: Maybe not chemtrails, but definitely mind control - yes there is a little snark there :)


An example of effective mind control:
cdn.realscreen.com
 
2014-06-10 12:42:38 PM

s2s2s2: meat0918: Bits and pieces had leaked out over the years, so while I would not be surprised if the military had redone an experiment or two after 9/11 or had done their own dispersion experiments in the US, I don't believe every single plane flying through the sky is spraying chemical agents over the world today.

The article does mention similar experiments in the US, decades ago. The idea that every plane is spraying something sinister is obviously wrong. The idea that none of them are is naive.


And here we have the worm of doubt attempting to be planted.

While impossible to prove, I would wager that right now, there are no planes covertly spraying something as an experiment on the US population. By the by, assholes in helicopters are not the government.

That said, the offer is not valid for cropdusters, herbicide spraying helicopters, fire retardant planes, and cloud seeders.
 
2014-06-10 12:46:17 PM

meat0918: hstein3: the_sidewinder: I've had "friends" on Facebook that have blocked me after I called out their pseudoscientific bullcrap repeatedly, and thoroughly (with citations), showing that the advice they were peddling was very harmful

I never attacked them, only the article they shared, and they got so very, very upset about it

Yep. Had a friend recently who solicited advice about alternative vaccine schedules, but requested that nobody start "vaccine wars" on her post. I linked a few citations about the lack of evidence that alternative schedules help in any way, and may increase risks. That was apparently "war" enough to get my comment deleted.

Refutations for nonsense are not always popular, it would seem.

I believe it is because they think they have special knowledge and power when they are otherwise powerless against the world.  Plus, you want to believe you've found out some secret, special thing.

I've seen reason and evidence get through though, once or twice.  Holy hell, you will never see a more ardent support of vaccines than one who was misled into not vaccinating, and the shiat they get from their former "friends" is insane.


This isn't just vaccines. I've seen this from pretty much any subject that has groups dedicated to spreading misinformation.

I know one guy who was YEC for the first couple years I knew him. As he now tells it, his tipping point came when he challenges an "evolutionist" on why no one had ever found the "missing link." They showed him an image with a dozen+ skulls lined up going from clearly non-human to modern human and he did a double take because it blatantly contradicted what he'd been taught in school (which makes me sad).

He went off and did a bunch of reading at that point and currently resides somewhere in the range of "angry atheist."
 
2014-06-10 12:49:58 PM

miniflea: Shmeat: I've seen this one on Farcebook.

[i.imgur.com image 480x424]

/quantum facepalm

I see stuff like that and I assume that some wise guy is trying to come up with the most ridiculous stuff possible that he can get people to believe.  IIRC that's how the whole "you swallow x spiders a year" thing was started.

One of my favorites:
[i.imgur.com image 483x555]


Regarding vaccines, my wife's friend had a baby not too long ago and she (the friend) was making noises about maybe holding off on the whole vaccine thing.  My wife went ballistic.  In the end, it took showing her photos of kids with polio and all sorts of diseases to convince her that vaccines are a good thing.


LOL, I'd forgotten about that one... I have one friend who links to the conspiracies, I just ignore those posts, no sense alienating someone I know by telling them they are deluded. It's much better here on fark where we're more or less anonymous...
 
2014-06-10 12:51:32 PM

s2s2s2: The article does mention similar experiments in the US, decades ago. The idea that every plane is spraying something sinister is obviously wrong. The idea that none of them are is naive.


But that plane that is spraying stuff is usually flying much lower than average and typically coincides with a shiatton of angry and hungry mosquitoes outside that have you on their buffet menu. In general, I think that they should fly those planes more often.
 
2014-06-10 12:54:27 PM

ikanreed: Shmeat: I've seen this one on Farcebook.

[i.imgur.com image 480x424]

/quantum facepalm

Except food poisoning is real, and cut vegetables tend to have less natural defenses(outer layers tend to be less digestible and have more anti-bacterial toxins) against bacterial growth.  Except for overstating the case, there's nothing wrong with the assertions here.

I mean, it's not raw meat, that relied on an active immune system in life, and will get really dangerous really quickly, but there's only hyperbole as a problem here.


Yes, if not stored properly food will spoil and make you sick. It should say "if you lack common sense and let an onion sit out all night after cutting it up, it's probably not fit to eat."
 
2014-06-10 12:54:54 PM

sigdiamond2000: If everyone reading this pees on their hands, Casey Kasem will be cured.


cdn6.dottech.org
 
2014-06-10 12:56:32 PM
How we got here...

MindWar

In 1980 an obscure internal U.S. Army concept paper, "From PSYOP to MindWar", accidentally became public. Though only a brief, theoretical speculation, it exploded into the focus of alarmist rumors and debates for the next three decades. Is the government involved in invasion of the mind beyond the blundering, haphazard legacy of the infamous MKULTRA experiments? Even more unsettling, do such efforts extend beyond conventional scientific research to dark and arcane arts whose very existence is the stuff of legend? The answers are here, in this book by one of that 1980 paper's co-authors, Lt. Colonel Michael Aquino. Originally intended for the eyes of government policymakers alone, it is now openly available. Ironically _MindWar_ is unclassified only because a level high enough to embrace it has never been anticipated or even conceptualized.
 
2014-06-10 12:57:14 PM

Kilroy Evans: Yes, if not stored properly food will spoil and make you sick. It should say "if you lack common sense and let an onion sit out all night after cutting it up, it's probably not fit to eat."


It reads a lot like someone trying to regurgitate what their "smart friend" told them about basic food safety, and not quite getting that it's not a magic changeover from safe to unsafe.
 
2014-06-10 12:57:23 PM

meat0918: While impossible to prove, I would wager that right now, there are no planes covertly spraying something as an experiment on the US population.


I'm guessing they've perfected a few techniques, by now.
 
2014-06-10 01:02:04 PM

s2s2s2: I'm guessing they've perfected a few techniques, by now.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, because top neurological researchers are just barely beginning to develop a proper model of the mind, but the government somehow exceeded their collective understanding with a few chemicals that can be dispersed by plane with easily predicted main effects and no major side effects, and wouldn't be discovered by routine medical examination ever.

I'll believe in mind control when schizophrenics or sociopaths are treatable.
 
2014-06-10 01:05:53 PM

ikanreed: Shmeat: I've seen this one on Farcebook.

[i.imgur.com image 480x424]

/quantum facepalm

Except food poisoning is real, and cut vegetables tend to have less natural defenses(outer layers tend to be less digestible and have more anti-bacterial toxins) against bacterial growth.  Except for overstating the case, there's nothing wrong with the assertions here.

I mean, it's not raw meat, that relied on an active immune system in life, and will get really dangerous really quickly, but there's only hyperbole as a problem here.


If that was true, you would get sick when a restaurant used pre-sliced onions on your sandwich.
 
2014-06-10 01:08:27 PM

Hagbardr: If that was true, you would get sick when a restaurant used pre-sliced onions on your sandwich.


This is now officially a derail.

Presliced onions tend to be treated to prevent decay.
 
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