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(Guardian)   Why adults shouldn't feel ashamed to read children's books, like Dr. Seuss, Harry Potter or Game of Thrones   (theguardian.com ) divider line
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2014-06-10 08:21:05 AM  
...Game of Thrones

I live with my mom
 
2014-06-10 08:21:48 AM  
HAHAHA didn't know the Fark filter did that.
 
2014-06-10 08:23:09 AM  
FTFA: There is no intrinsically beneficial reason why I should value complexity over simplicity, or ambiguity over clarity.

I bet if I was British I would be able to come up with 5 clear reasons why this is ridiculous right off the top of my head.
 
2014-06-10 08:26:04 AM  
Okay, I'm a fan of YA fiction, but if that's all you read, you're missing out.  There are excellent books written for adults too.
 
2014-06-10 08:26:26 AM  
Set the bar low and you'll never be sad.
 
2014-06-10 08:26:45 AM  

gopher321: HAHAHA didn't know the Fark filter did that.


Explain.
 
2014-06-10 08:28:35 AM  
Twilight? Twi lite? Just a test...a terrible, terrible test, because no one should read that sparkly crap.
 
2014-06-10 08:33:22 AM  

staplermofo: FTFA: There is no intrinsically beneficial reason why I should value complexity over simplicity, or ambiguity over clarity.

I bet if I was British I would be able to come up with 5 clear reasons why this is ridiculous right off the top of my head.


Here's a reason for the author.
 
2014-06-10 08:33:37 AM  
I like YA fiction not it is not all that I read. And some books (YA or otherwise) are fun to re-read at different stages of your life, because as you age your perception changes.
 
2014-06-10 08:36:04 AM  
Sure, but read "Are you there God, it's me, Margaret?" on the bus while breathing heavily and with one hand in your sweatpants and suddenly you're the bad guy.
 
2014-06-10 08:37:14 AM  

SundaesChild: I like YA fiction not it is not all that I read.


Reason 2, naughtyrev.
 
2014-06-10 08:43:11 AM  

staplermofo: SundaesChild: I like YA fiction not it is not all that I read.

Reason 2, naughtyrev.


I meant to say "but" it is not all I read. Cut me some slack, it's not quite 5:45 am here.
 
2014-06-10 08:50:03 AM  
I don't feel bad. My training is as a teacher. I read for enjoyment. I read for a sense of wonder. I read sometimes for nostalgia. I read for content. I read for a lot of different reasons, and sometimes that means I'm dusting off RAH's juveniles, which is what he was calling YA before the term got coined in the 60s. I pick up books that I think my daughter might like, and when she was younger, that meant sifting through a lot of syrupy crap that I didn't think was appropriate for her. Yeah, she got feed some Neal Gaiman. Yeah, she got The Stinky Cheese Man. Yes, she read some books over and over and over again, and dammit, if I'm going to read a book out loud a hundred times, I want it to be something that makes me smile too. I read stuff that isn't appropriate for her age, but I do file stuff away for when she gets older. Stuff that I think she'd like. That's what you do as a parent. And even if I wasn't a parent, I'd read stuff all over the map, because you read at different times for different reasons. Sometimes that's just for enjoyment, and enjoyment takes a lot of forms. Including that nostalgia and recapturing wonder. I. Regret. Nothing.
 
2014-06-10 08:58:47 AM  
As a teacher, I read a metric farkton of YA. Some of it I enjoy, some of it I have to grit my teeth and get through.
The end result is that I can keep in touch with what my kids are reading and steer them away from farking Twilight.

/ "If I Stay" was excellent
 
2014-06-10 09:05:21 AM  

gopher321: HAHAHA didn't know the Fark filter did that.


What's it doing now? There used to be one that made "Game of Thrones" into "Cones of Dunshire" or something, but it looks like that got turned off.
 
2014-06-10 09:06:06 AM  
The Frog and Toad series is still my go-to source for serenity.
/Peanuts
//Edward Gorey
///Then Dr. Seuss
 
2014-06-10 09:08:19 AM  
What "literature" you like isn't really too different from what literature you like.  Going exclusively young adult is kinda dumb, though.
 
2014-06-10 09:13:33 AM  

staplermofo: gopher321: HAHAHA didn't know the Fark filter did that.

Explain.


Arkanaut: gopher321: HAHAHA didn't know the Fark filter did that.

What's it doing now? There used to be one that made "Game of Thrones" into "Cones of Dunshire" or something, but it looks like that got turned off.


It turned my reply of zero out of ten (as a response to the troll headline) into "I live with my mom".
 
2014-06-10 09:14:04 AM  
Read whatever you enjoy. I'm currently reading the YA "Divergent" series because I said the first book was "crap" and I was told that if you read the whole trilogy it improves. I'm about 40% done on the third book and still stand by my initial assessment of "it's crap."

I'm also working my way through La Morte d'Arthur. It's heavy going and somewhat repetitive, but I've always enjoyed the Arthurian mythos and Mallory is almost a requirement. It's hardly YA, after all.

I plan to start my annual read of "Dune" in a month or so, but I finally got a copy of "Good Omens" by Pratchett & Gaiman, and that comes first.

I also have Tolstoy on the docket, as well as some Heinlein, Dumas & Vonnegut.

As to YA I enjoyed reading, "The Fault In Our Stars" was excellent. No idea about the movie. Don't really care.

Read what you like. Like what you read.
 
2014-06-10 09:27:14 AM  
Brain candy is good from time to time but a steady diet of it will rot your brain.
 
2014-06-10 09:27:24 AM  
Tripods series by John Christopher You will Obey.
 
2014-06-10 09:27:35 AM  
Why the fark is this even an issue? "Should adults be trusted to make their own reading decisions, and not feel guilt for liking Things?" Who the hell decided to that this week was going to be the week article writers all reverted to high-school and started telling their peers they can't like something because "that's kid's stuff"? Adults should feel guilty reading Harry Potter because it is a legitimately good book series that works as a damning allegory of Thatcher and post-Thatcher Britain, and "literary fiction" is, on balance, self-important, pretentious, boring bullshiat, that is often far less successful at commenting on social issues than what you'll find in "fantasy fiction". A book(or any media, really) that actively tries to be "adult" is about as obnoxious, and meets with about as much success, as a 13-year-old convinced that they are "Mature".

Things are fun because they are interesting, imaginative, and enthusiastic, and you should never -adult or child- feel guilty for liking fun things.
 
2014-06-10 09:28:19 AM  

Heron: Why the fark is this even an issue? "Should adults be trusted to make their own reading decisions, and not feel guilt for liking Things?" Who the hell decided to that this week was going to be the week article writers all reverted to high-school and started telling their peers they can't like something because "that's kid's stuff"? Adults shouldn't feel guilty reading Harry Potter because it is a legitimately good book series that works as a damning allegory of Thatcher and post-Thatcher Britain, and "literary fiction" is, on balance, self-important, pretentious, boring bullshiat, that is often far less successful at commenting on social issues than what you'll find in "fantasy fiction". A book(or any media, really) that actively tries to be "adult" is about as obnoxious, and meets with about as much success, as a 13-year-old convinced that they are "Mature".

Things are fun because they are interesting, imaginative, and enthusiastic, and you should never -adult or child- feel guilty for liking fun things.


Bah!

FTFM >:/
 
2014-06-10 09:29:11 AM  
I bought for GoT for my 7-yr old son to read. He has so many questions that I don't feel comfortable answering. I just tell him to Google it. LOL.
 
2014-06-10 09:29:42 AM  
There's plenty classified "YA" that is just as accessible to adult readers. There's plenty that's not classified "YA" that's just as accessible to younger readers. Neil Gaiman writes a lot of material that is perfectly appropriate for both, however it is classified.

For a perfect example, consider "His Dark Materials." It's classified as Young Adult, and it's written so that it can be understood by YA/teen readers, but its subject matter and concepts are anything but convention YA material.
 
2014-06-10 09:31:15 AM  
Reading YA fiction is better than reading nothing, which is what many Americans do.

Not everyone is going to read literary fiction.  Nor should we expect them to.  Personally I have no interest in the genre.  Not my cup of tea.
 
2014-06-10 09:31:27 AM  
The next time I see someone reading a James Patterson book and prattling about adults reading "juvenile" Harry Potter books, I might have an aneurysm.
 
2014-06-10 09:36:35 AM  
If you ONLY read YA Fiction, you may as well be watching anime all the time too. All High Schoolers all the time.

Yes, yes, not ALL shows feature high schoolers. The majority do however.

/Would kill for a few slice of life animes about mid 30 somethings doing their thing.
 
2014-06-10 09:37:58 AM  
BTW, the biggest Harry Potter fan I know personally is a tenured Professor of Philosophy at my alma mater.

I believe she now teaches an undergraduate class on Harry Potter and Philosophy.
 
2014-06-10 09:38:11 AM  

kronicfeld: The next time I see someone reading a James Patterson book and prattling about adults reading "juvenile" Harry Potter books, I might have an aneurysm.


50 shades of literotica is better.
 
2014-06-10 09:40:57 AM  
That's a pretty poor defense.

A better one is to point out that "Young Adult Fiction" is a marketing term and has little to do with subject matter or complexity. It's the equivalent of a PG-13 rating. There are lots of stories out there of writers who write a book and when they go to publish get told "This is great, we're buying it. Also we've decided to shelf it under Young Adult because we think it will sell best there."

All the Slate writer did was grab a couple of best-sellers and then broadly dismiss everything with that label. It would be like judging all PG-13 films based on watching Avatar.
 
2014-06-10 09:41:39 AM  

kronicfeld: The next time I see someone reading a James Patterson book and prattling about adults reading "juvenile" Harry Potter books, I might have an aneurysm.


Good point.  The average YA fiction is infinitely better written than your average Dan Brown novel.

If you want to criticize anything, go after the airport/supermarket novel.  The Browns and Pattersons, etc.
 
2014-06-10 09:47:38 AM  

gopher321: It turned my reply of zero out of ten (as a response to the troll headline) into "I live with my mom".


Sometimes I love this site.
 
2014-06-10 09:50:06 AM  

odinsposse: That's a pretty poor defense.

A better one is to point out that "Young Adult Fiction" is a marketing term and has little to do with subject matter or complexity. It's the equivalent of a PG-13 rating. There are lots of stories out there of writers who write a book and when they go to publish get told "This is great, we're buying it. Also we've decided to shelf it under Young Adult because we think it will sell best there."

All the Slate writer did was grab a couple of best-sellers and then broadly dismiss everything with that label. It would be like judging all PG-13 films based on watching Avatar.


Can't be repeated enough.
 
2014-06-10 09:53:34 AM  

gopher321: staplermofo: gopher321: HAHAHA didn't know the Fark filter did that.

Explain.

Arkanaut: gopher321: HAHAHA didn't know the Fark filter did that.

What's it doing now? There used to be one that made "Game of Thrones" into "Cones of Dunshire" or something, but it looks like that got turned off.

It turned my reply of zero out of ten (as a response to the troll headline) into "I live with my mom".


I live with my mom
 
2014-06-10 09:54:23 AM  
Also, as usual, Mitch put it best.

izquotes.com
 
2014-06-10 09:54:31 AM  

BumpInTheNight: I live with my mom


Hahahaha, epic!  Now we just need to find the one that translates to "I live with your mom"!
 
2014-06-10 10:10:09 AM  

Doc Daneeka: kronicfeld: The next time I see someone reading a James Patterson book and prattling about adults reading "juvenile" Harry Potter books, I might have an aneurysm.

Good point.  The average YA fiction is infinitely better written than your average Dan Brown novel.

If you want to criticize anything, go after the airport/supermarket novel.  The Browns and Pattersons, etc.


I re-read a bunch of Tom Clancy soon after he died and felt the same way. I read his books when I was in late elementary school up to about grade 9 and mainly enjoyed his way of describing technical details... I feel it made an impact on my adult life (being a geek at home and work) and made reading fun for me at the right time. The books are not literary masterpieces but they do get people reading. I know a bunch of people who felt the same way about Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit and those books aren't too intense either. There are a bunch of people who never move on and see what else is out there but for others, light non-fiction is a gateway drug to a life of reading.

Also, the kindle has really changed reading for me... I have a library at my fingertips and can get more at the click of... err a tap of my finger.
 
2014-06-10 10:11:14 AM  

gopher321: It turned my reply of zero out of ten (as a response to the troll headline) into "I live with my mom".


That's funny, a couple days ago the filter was still changing that to "I'm pregnant". I think I like the new one better
 
2014-06-10 10:12:42 AM  

LucklessWonder: Read whatever you enjoy. I'm currently reading the YA "Divergent" series because I said the first book was "crap" and I was told that if you read the whole trilogy it improves. I'm about 40% done on the third book and still stand by my initial assessment of "it's crap."

I'm also working my way through La Morte d'Arthur. It's heavy going and somewhat repetitive, but I've always enjoyed the Arthurian mythos and Mallory is almost a requirement. It's hardly YA, after all.

I plan to start my annual read of "Dune" in a month or so, but I finally got a copy of "Good Omens" by Pratchett & Gaiman, and that comes first.

I also have Tolstoy on the docket, as well as some Heinlein, Dumas & Vonnegut.

As to YA I enjoyed reading, "The Fault In Our Stars" was excellent. No idea about the movie. Don't really care.

Read what you like. Like what you read.


Mrs. Samurai read that trilogy, and she told me how it ended.  I tend to agree, the story sounded like it had a lot of promise but the author made some very big mistakes.
 
2014-06-10 10:13:04 AM  

I'm just grateful they're reading.


Seriously. Read. Read anything - books, pamphlets, the back of your cereal box - but read, damn it.
 
2014-06-10 10:16:09 AM  

staplermofo: gopher321: It turned my reply of zero out of ten (as a response to the troll headline) into "I live with my mom".

Sometimes I love this site.


So one time I tried rating a troll attempt and was filter pwned, and it came out:

"Try harder, I'm pregnant"
 
2014-06-10 10:17:30 AM  
I just finished My Pet Goat and I gotta say, I was riveted.

After I was done, I just sat there unmoving for like 7 minutes.
 
2014-06-10 10:21:17 AM  

FormlessOne: I'm just grateful they're reading.
Seriously. Read. Read anything - books, pamphlets, the back of your cereal box - but read, damn it.


But, but... What if all we have are copies of former President Bill Clinton's autobiography?

You want us to read THAT?

WHY DO YOU HATE US?!
 
2014-06-10 10:25:46 AM  
Harry Potter? You mean Birth of a Wizard Nation?


Teaching kids racism is extremely profitable.
 
2014-06-10 10:31:36 AM  
The distinction seems odd.  There are plenty of "dumb" "adult" books as well.  When I am traveling and constantly distracted, I read those. Such as at the airport.  Examples include Clive Cussler, Lee Child, etc.  These books randomly reach out to teach you about some trivial thing that you may not have known about here or there, but for the most part, if you read a few pages and realize that you didn't pay attention to any of it, you can not worry about having to go back unless you want to.

I wouldn't call the reading level of these books much above what a junior high student could read.  If I recall, I read Jurassic Park in about 5th grade.
 
2014-06-10 10:41:50 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I just finished My Pet Goat and I gotta say, I was riveted.

After I was done, I just sat there unmoving for like 7 minutes.


Well, according to Wikipedia, it does involve the goat "butting a car thief into submission." That's a pretty amazing image to conjure up.

/Pretty sure it was 20 minutes or so, though
 
2014-06-10 10:44:08 AM  

FormlessOne: I'm just grateful they're reading.
Seriously. Read. Read anything - books, pamphlets, the back of your cereal box - but read, damn it.


I like to read the scribblings on bathroom stalls. I was in this one nasty stall a few years back that had a hole in it. As I was reading all the things people had written on the stall wall near and around the hole I heard someone in the next stall. You won't believe what happened next. I shouted, "This is the lady's room, you moron!" He didn't seem to care, so I yanked up my drawers and got the hell out of there.
 
2014-06-10 10:49:50 AM  

Casey Anthony: FormlessOne: I'm just grateful they're reading.
Seriously. Read. Read anything - books, pamphlets, the back of your cereal box - but read, damn it.

I like to read the scribblings on bathroom stalls. I was in this one nasty stall a few years back that had a hole in it. As I was reading all the things people had written on the stall wall near and around the hole I heard someone in the next stall. You won't believe what happened next. I shouted, "This is the lady's room, you moron!" He didn't seem to care, so I yanked up my drawers and got the hell out of there.


That handle...

Also, your username worries me.
 
2014-06-10 10:50:42 AM  

FormlessOne: I'm just grateful they're reading.
Seriously. Read. Read anything - books, pamphlets, the back of your cereal box - but read, damn it.



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