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(The Local)   German court rules that country's president is allowed to call neo-Nazis "loonies" because, well, they are   ( thelocal.de) divider line
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2014-06-10 09:34:54 AM  
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2014-06-10 10:26:02 AM  
Republicans are America's "loonies"
 
2014-06-10 10:27:55 AM  

Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"


I just wish Obama would start calling them that.  At least tea partiers.
 
2014-06-10 10:28:18 AM  
They needed a court to rule on that?
 
2014-06-10 10:28:37 AM  
"Here, however, as follows from the overall style of the respondent's statements, the term "loonies", in addition to the terms "ideologues" and "fanatics", serves as a collective term for people who have not learned the lessons of history and who, unimpressed by the dreadful consequences of National Socialism, hold nationalist and anti-democratic opinions"

ice burn
 
2014-06-10 10:29:07 AM  
There's another article on that page, about how a loonie is costing tax payers 8000€ a month.
 
2014-06-10 10:30:14 AM  
I'd buy that for a dollar loonie...
 
2014-06-10 10:32:59 AM  
How are you supposed to make it rain on a stripper with a bunch of coins?
 
2014-06-10 10:33:28 AM  

DemonEater: Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"

I just wish Obama would start calling them that.  At least tea partiers.


That's a dangerous road. David Cameron calling UKIP "fruitcakes and closet racists' led to a spike in their popularity. Everyone loves an underdog.
 
2014-06-10 10:36:31 AM  
The fringe party had argued that the president, whose job is to serve as a kind of national moral arbiter and represent Germany abroad

I would find any man who would not describe neo-nazis as, at the very least, loonies to be completely immoral.
 
2014-06-10 10:41:12 AM  

Karac: The fringe party had argued that the president, whose job is to serve as a kind of national moral arbiter and represent Germany abroad

I would find any man who would not describe neo-nazis as, at the very least, loonies to be completely immoral.


Well now, hold on. Just because it was one of the most deranged and evil forms of overt fascism ever to show its face to the world doesn't mean there wasn't some good in there. Snappy uniforms, for one! Heritage, not heils.

/sarcasm
 
2014-06-10 10:45:26 AM  

Bungles: DemonEater: Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"

I just wish Obama would start calling them that.  At least tea partiers.

That's a dangerous road. David Cameron calling UKIP "fruitcakes and closet racists' led to a spike in their popularity. Everyone loves an underdog.


I think that's more because everyone kind of hates David Cameron
 
2014-06-10 10:49:38 AM  

Bungles: DemonEater: Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"

I just wish Obama would start calling them that.  At least tea partiers.

That's a dangerous road. David Cameron calling UKIP "fruitcakes and closet racists' led to a spike in their popularity. Everyone loves an underdog.



Any country that would rally around the Teabaggers deserves the Teabaggers.
 
2014-06-10 10:49:38 AM  
There are people who don't accept, who aren't obedient. They are weeded out, they're "behavior problems". The long-term effect of this is to reward and foster subordination; it begins in kindergarten and goes all the way through your professional or other career. If you challenge authority, you get in one or another kind of trouble. It's not 100 percent the case, and there are some areas of life were it's dramatically not the case, but on average and overwhelmingly in the outcomes, it holds.
--

If something comes along that you don't like, there are a few sort of four-letter words that you can use to push it out of the sphere of discussion. If you were in a bar downtown, they might have different words, but if you're an educated person what you use are complicated words like "conspiracy theory" or "Marxist." It's a way of pushing unpleasant questions off the agenda so that we can continue in our own happy ideology.

--Noam Chomsky
 
2014-06-10 10:50:16 AM  

Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"


"Loonies of the Right", The Capitol Steps (Tune: "Music of the Night")
 
2014-06-10 10:55:52 AM  

rohar: If something comes along that you don't like, there are a few sort of four-letter words that you can use to push it out of the sphere of discussion. If you were in a bar downtown, they might have different words, but if you're an educated person what you use are complicated words like "conspiracy theory" or "Marxist." It's a way of pushing unpleasant questions off the agenda so that we can continue in our own happy ideology.



Or, as an alternative, we could have six years of global warfare and a few million deaths.
 
2014-06-10 10:56:23 AM  

DemonEater: Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"

I just wish Obama would start calling them that.  At least tea partiers.


Don't forget that the German president is nothing like the US president. The chancellor(ette) is the head of state, the president is just there to be friendly, smile, greet dignitaries and keep his mouth shut.

The right wing idiots are loonies, but that is not the presidents opinion to voice IMHO.
 
2014-06-10 10:56:41 AM  

rohar: There are people who don't accept, who aren't obedient. They are weeded out, they're "behavior problems". The long-term effect of this is to reward and foster subordination; it begins in kindergarten and goes all the way through your professional or other career. If you challenge authority, you get in one or another kind of trouble. It's not 100 percent the case, and there are some areas of life were it's dramatically not the case, but on average and overwhelmingly in the outcomes, it holds.
--

If something comes along that you don't like, there are a few sort of four-letter words that you can use to push it out of the sphere of discussion. If you were in a bar downtown, they might have different words, but if you're an educated person what you use are complicated words like "conspiracy theory" or "Marxist." It's a way of pushing unpleasant questions off the agenda so that we can continue in our own happy ideology.

--Noam Chomsky


Callng these clowns loonies doesn't push them off the agenda, and it is an appropriate moniker, so I am not sure hwo this is relevant.
 
2014-06-10 11:00:43 AM  

rohar: There are people who don't accept, who aren't obedient. They are weeded out, they're "behavior problems". The long-term effect of this is to reward and foster subordination; it begins in kindergarten and goes all the way through your professional or other career. If you challenge authority, you get in one or another kind of trouble. It's not 100 percent the case, and there are some areas of life were it's dramatically not the case, but on average and overwhelmingly in the outcomes, it holds.
--

If something comes along that you don't like, there are a few sort of four-letter words that you can use to push it out of the sphere of discussion. If you were in a bar downtown, they might have different words, but if you're an educated person what you use are complicated words like "conspiracy theory" or "Marxist." It's a way of pushing unpleasant questions off the agenda so that we can continue in our own happy ideology.

--Noam Chomsky


Hear that? Nobody better call these Nazis Marxists!
 
2014-06-10 11:05:43 AM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Hear that? Nobody better call these Nazis Marxists!


Not my point at all, nor was it Chomsky's.

You'll notice this is happening in Germany with Nationalist Socialists.  By definition, they're not NeoNazis, they're real live Nazis.  Calling them "loonies" takes the seriousness of the situation off the table.  It pushes the issue at hand out of the public sphere of discussion.

Much like the right calling everyone including me a socialist has taken the real social issues off the table.
 
2014-06-10 11:09:11 AM  

Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"


the good part is it is legal to say or write that here.
 
2014-06-10 11:10:20 AM  

rohar: If something comes along that you don't like, you must whip it

--Gerald Casale, Mark Mothersbaugh

 
2014-06-10 11:11:01 AM  

rohar: You'll notice this is happening in Germany with Nationalist Socialists.  By definition, they're not NeoNazis, they're real live Nazis.  Calling them "loonies" takes the seriousness of the situation off the table.  It pushes the issue at hand out of the public sphere of discussion.


As I recall, they actually are "neo"-Nazis, as they go father in the ideals of white supremacy and racial purity than the original nazi party.

But yeah. That was an intellectually dishonest cherry picking of a quote of Chomsky, and you should feel bad for making it. Or, on the flip side, congrats for getting so much bites.
 
2014-06-10 11:12:00 AM  

sprawl15: rohar: If something comes along that you don't like, you must whip it

--Gerald Casale, Mark MothersbaughRand Paul.

 
2014-06-10 11:20:16 AM  

rohar: UrukHaiGuyz: Hear that? Nobody better call these Nazis Marxists!

Not my point at all, nor was it Chomsky's.

You'll notice this is happening in Germany with Nationalist Socialists.  By definition, they're not NeoNazis, they're real live Nazis.  Calling them "loonies" takes the seriousness of the situation off the table.  It pushes the issue at hand out of the public sphere of discussion.

Much like the right calling everyone including me a socialist has taken the real social issues off the table.


Well, no. I do take your point that marginalizing groups by calling them something they're not is a problem, but you can assign value judgments to anything. The bigger problem is that people are happy enough with evaluating entire ideologies by assigning a "good" or "bad" value to the term itself, irrespective of the ideology.

That doesn't mean that some ideologies (like militant racist nationalism) aren't terrible. It doesn't hurt dialogue to call out bad ideologies, so long as you're mindful not to dismiss things without understanding what they are. They may have some legitimate grievances that bear scrutiny, but their ideology is entirely loony and should be called out as such.
 
2014-06-10 11:23:14 AM  

rohar: UrukHaiGuyz: Hear that? Nobody better call these Nazis Marxists!

Not my point at all, nor was it Chomsky's.

You'll notice this is happening in Germany with Nationalist Socialists.  By definition, they're not NeoNazis, they're real live Nazis.  Calling them "loonies" takes the seriousness of the situation off the table.  It pushes the issue at hand out of the public sphere of discussion.

Much like the right calling everyone including me a socialist has taken the real social issues off the table.


Why do I have an obligation to lend my time or effort to Nazis, geocentrists, creationists, or believers in homeopathic medicine? I'm not their parent. I'm not responsible for raising them or otherwise trying to bring them around to reality. Why do they deserve more than "go away, you loonie" from me?

Jane Austen - 'Elinor agreed with it all, for she did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition.'
 
2014-06-10 11:23:57 AM  
trolledbot.net
 
2014-06-10 11:38:13 AM  

Frank N Stein: [trolledbot.net image 360x480]


I'm trying to figure out the context for that. "Extreme" (or "X-treem") statements for an X-treem beverage? Dew-r Fuhrer? The Final Solution to eliminating thirst? Ghettoff your ass, you never drank Warsaw such flavor? The Third Reich of Rad?
 
2014-06-10 11:38:37 AM  
Loons sure, but don't let that make you forget they are also dangerous.
 
2014-06-10 11:42:38 AM  

The Name: Bungles: DemonEater: Granny_Panties: Republicans are America's "loonies"

I just wish Obama would start calling them that.  At least tea partiers.

That's a dangerous road. David Cameron calling UKIP "fruitcakes and closet racists' led to a spike in their popularity. Everyone loves an underdog.


Any country that would rally around the Teabaggers deserves the Teabaggers.


Everyone who rallies around the Tea Party deserves to be governed by the Tea Party. They do not, however, deserve the power to inflict that governance on anyone else.
 
2014-06-10 11:44:53 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Frank N Stein: [trolledbot.net image 360x480]

I'm trying to figure out the context for that. "Extreme" (or "X-treem") statements for an X-treem beverage? Dew-r Fuhrer? The Final Solution to eliminating thirst? Ghettoff your ass, you never drank Warsaw such flavor? The Third Reich of Rad?


http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/dub-the-dew

Basically, Mt Dew held a "vote for our new drink name" online contest. 4chan got wind of it. The results were predictable.
 
2014-06-10 11:45:48 AM  
When they came for the Neo-Nazis, I said nothing, because you know who ELSE was a Neo-Nazi?
 
2014-06-10 11:53:17 AM  
Funny how these guys who like to put on a front of being these super bad ass mofo's whine about name calling.

/Hmmm, why does THAT sound familiar?
 
2014-06-10 11:55:22 AM  

draypresct: rohar: UrukHaiGuyz: Hear that? Nobody better call these Nazis Marxists!

Not my point at all, nor was it Chomsky's.

You'll notice this is happening in Germany with Nationalist Socialists.  By definition, they're not NeoNazis, they're real live Nazis.  Calling them "loonies" takes the seriousness of the situation off the table.  It pushes the issue at hand out of the public sphere of discussion.

Much like the right calling everyone including me a socialist has taken the real social issues off the table.

Why do I have an obligation to lend my time or effort to Nazis, geocentrists, creationists, or believers in homeopathic medicine? I'm not their parent. I'm not responsible for raising them or otherwise trying to bring them around to reality. Why do they deserve more than "go away, you loonie" from me?

Jane Austen - 'Elinor agreed with it all, for she did not think he deserved the compliment of rational opposition.'


You have a point.  And honestly, I'm probably too close to this issue to be the least bit rational. 

I grew up in Germany as the immigration from Turkey and the middle east really got under way.  I had quite a few Turkish friends.  It often got rough when we were out on the town.  To say I didn't appreciate the overt racism would be an understatement.  Strangely, those years were also peppered with incidents from the Red Army Faction.  Kinda drilled home how violent political movements can get in that country.  Yes, the NDP is nuttier than a squirrel with OCD.  I also believe the president should have the right to call them whatever the hell he wants.  I don't suggest minimizing them by using terms such as "loonies" is a good idea.  They're friggin dangerous.  Besides, it's probably an insult to Canadians.

/after I left Germany, I moved to Spokane
//Aryan Nations right in my back yard
///Shoulda done some research before I chose a new home
 
2014-06-10 12:03:18 PM  

Frank N Stein: Dr Dreidel: Frank N Stein: [trolledbot.net image 360x480]

I'm trying to figure out the context for that. "Extreme" (or "X-treem") statements for an X-treem beverage? Dew-r Fuhrer? The Final Solution to eliminating thirst? Ghettoff your ass, you never drank Warsaw such flavor? The Third Reich of Rad?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/dub-the-dew

Basically, Mt Dew held a "vote for our new drink name" online contest. 4chan got wind of it. The results were predictable.


I'm just upset no one thought to include suggested ad slogans. To me, that could actually sell the product even with a name so hilariously offensive.

// there's an inverse relationship between "funny" and "offense" - the funnier it is, the less offense can be taken
 
2014-06-10 12:12:49 PM  
Could it be that Vladmir and his merry band of oligarchs are secretly funding these guys? Stranger things have happened in high stakes power battles.
 
2014-06-10 12:20:46 PM  

rohar: I don't suggest minimizing them by using terms such as "loonies" is a good idea.  They're friggin dangerous.


Telling students that "We need citizens who rally in the streets and put these loonies in their place." is not exactly minimizing their danger.
 
2014-06-10 01:02:54 PM  

rohar: You have a point. And honestly, I'm probably too close to this issue to be the least bit rational. I grew up in Germany as the immigration from Turkey and the middle east really got under way. I had quite a few Turkish friends. It often got rough when we were out on the town. To say I didn't appreciate the overt racism would be an understatement. Strangely, those years were also peppered with incidents from the Red Army Faction. Kinda drilled home how violent political movements can get in that country. Yes, the NDP is nuttier than a squirrel with OCD. I also believe the president should have the right to call them whatever the hell he wants. I don't suggest minimizing them by using terms such as "loonies" is a good idea. They're friggin dangerous. Besides, it's probably an insult to Canadians./after I left Germany, I moved to Spokane//Aryan Nations right in my back yard///Shoulda done some research before I chose a new home


I think there is a huge difference between a general discussion of a topic (the prime minister discussing issues) and a personal threat (your experience). I can definitely see why you wouldn't want to take any chances of inadvertently minimizing the perceived threat.

A different example to further illustrate the difference between the two concepts in my head: I don't see why believers in homeopathy should get a seat at the table to espouse their views when we're discussing medical research or policy, and (unlike Chomsky) I believe it's perfectly okay to dismiss them as loonies. The arguments and investigations have already taken place and are available to everyone. There is no reason to go through them again each time.

If, on the other hand, a doctor at the local hospital is treating patients based on homeopathic principles, that's completely different and needs to be confronted and dealt with. I could see being more specific, i.e. using terms like "criminal" for the doctor (or the people who harassed your friends), but reserving the term "loonie" for their worldview.
 
2014-06-10 01:20:19 PM  

rohar: UrukHaiGuyz: Hear that? Nobody better call these Nazis Marxists!

Not my point at all, nor was it Chomsky's.

You'll notice this is happening in Germany with Nationalist Socialists.  By definition, they're not NeoNazis, they're real live Nazis.  Calling them "loonies" takes the seriousness of the situation off the table.  It pushes the issue at hand out of the public sphere of discussion.

Much like the right calling everyone including me a socialist has taken the real social issues off the table.


BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
 
2014-06-10 01:45:36 PM  

Frank N Stein: Basically, Mt Dew held a "vote for our new drink name" online contest.


Ah yes, the old "Let's trust the internet to do it, surely nothing bad will happen!" mistake.
 
2014-06-10 03:20:06 PM  

BitwiseShift: Could it be that Vladmir and his merry band of oligarchs are secretly funding these guys? Stranger things have happened in high stakes power battles.


It's more like a nutjob network: Infographic (German)
 
2014-06-10 03:31:36 PM  
i.ytimg.com
"I AM NOT A LOONY!"

/ Eric the half bee.
// He had an accident.
 
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