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(Time)   Rats feel remorse for making bad decisions, which puts them one step up from investment bankers   (time.com) divider line 40
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2014-06-10 12:18:09 AM
You mean like going into the law in the first place?
 
2014-06-10 03:24:11 AM
The only bad decisions investment bankers make are the ones that get them caught. All the rest are, arguably, good decisions.
 
2014-06-10 03:28:15 AM
Those investment bankers are going to take home more money than you'll ever see in your life just this year for making what subby calls bad decisions.  Sounds like a good decision to me.  Bad for YOU, of course, but the rats don't care about you either.
 
2014-06-10 03:28:24 AM

robohobo: The only bad decisions investment bankers make are the ones that get them caught.


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2014-06-10 03:30:09 AM
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"I read recently that they're now using lawyers instead of rats for experiments. They do this for two reasons: One, the scientists become less attached to the lawyers. And two, there are certain things that even rats won't do."
 
2014-06-10 03:35:57 AM

Oysterman: robohobo: The only bad decisions investment bankers make are the ones that get them caught.

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I'm not wrong. Their decisions, on the most, prove very good for them. Suckers are born every second. These bankers are just using their resources. We're talking good/bad decisions, not 'ethical' decisions.
 
2014-06-10 03:41:38 AM

robohobo: The only bad decisions investment bankers make are the ones that get them caught. All the rest are, arguably, good decisions.


robohobo: We're talking good/bad decisions, not 'ethical' decisions.


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2014-06-10 03:43:31 AM

Oysterman: robohobo: The only bad decisions investment bankers make are the ones that get them caught. All the rest are, arguably, good decisions.

robohobo: We're talking good/bad decisions, not 'ethical' decisions.

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i did, actually, laugh out loud at this one. You still haven't explained your position.
 
2014-06-10 03:46:43 AM
Dogs don't even feel remorse.
 
2014-06-10 03:48:14 AM

duffblue: Dogs don't even feel remorse.


Sure they do. If not, they certainly put on a great show of pretending for the benefit of their human.
 
2014-06-10 03:52:19 AM
Hey Subby: regret =/= remorse. The former applies to reason, the latter to morality. It's surprising that rats can apply hindsight reasoning. It would be shocking if they could apply hindsight-- or any other kind of-- morality.

/yes, word choice matters
//do rats have consciences or souls?
 
2014-06-10 03:53:19 AM
Makes me wonder now: can animals be sociopaths?

/watching Letterman do his Top Ten on this story as I type this
 
2014-06-10 03:54:58 AM
#1 Rat Regret: Being forced to sell the Los Angeles Clippers.
 
2014-06-10 04:01:17 AM
Wanna see regret? Get the rat drunk and have him wake up next to a possum. That will get his cortex activated.
/beer goggles
// regret
/// fat girls can look hotter than they appear in said goggles
 
2014-06-10 04:05:21 AM
What a remorseful "rat" might look like:


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2014-06-10 04:17:56 AM

robohobo: duffblue: Dogs don't even feel remorse.

Sure they do. If not, they certainly put on a great show of pretending for the benefit of their human.


Actually pretending is exactly what they do, they have learned which expressions to pull in order to mollify their owner when their owner is on a tirade. Which is pretty darn smart for an animal anyway, if you ask me.
 
2014-06-10 04:20:24 AM

robohobo: Oysterman: robohobo: The only bad decisions investment bankers make are the ones that get them caught. All the rest are, arguably, good decisions.

robohobo: We're talking good/bad decisions, not 'ethical' decisions.

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i did, actually, laugh out loud at this one. You still haven't explained your position.


I was very tempted to leave my position as that. I think it still is the best way to define it. You appear have completely disassociated ethics and morality from good and bad. The remorse you expect is not one of conscience, but of personal misstep. The Weeners did not leave room for whether or not they are doing something morally or legally wrong; it's an assumption that they are.

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2014-06-10 04:28:07 AM

Oysterman: The Weeners did not leave room for whether or not they are doing something morally or legally wrong; it's an assumption that they are.


Wow.  Just wow.
 
2014-06-10 04:42:29 AM

Oysterman: robohobo: Oysterman: robohobo: The only bad decisions investment bankers make are the ones that get them caught. All the rest are, arguably, good decisions.

robohobo: We're talking good/bad decisions, not 'ethical' decisions.

[www.lahiguera.net image 423x600]

i did, actually, laugh out loud at this one. You still haven't explained your position.

I was very tempted to leave my position as that. I think it still is the best way to define it. You appear have completely disassociated ethics and morality from good and bad. The remorse you expect is not one of conscience, but of personal misstep. The Weeners did not leave room for whether or not they are doing something morally or legally wrong; it's an assumption that they are.

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This conversation illustrates my point upthread about regret =/= remorse. Robohobo is talking the former (an amoral matter of reasoned choices), Oysterman the latter (a morality-based reassessment of one's choices). Oysterman, he hasn't "disassociated ethics and morality"; they were never a part of what he was discussing in the first place. He's looking at this from a purely amoral standpoint. Notice I didn't say "immoral," but "amoral." The opinion he rendered merely reflects the approach the bankers themselves took, without getting into the morality aspect (that the bankers evidently also ignored).
 
2014-06-10 06:28:17 AM
Because they looked back and have brain activity?

Flying Spaghetti. Now we're anthropomorphizing everyday lab rats.  It's because of crap like this that people develop a mistrust in science as a whole.
 
2014-06-10 06:53:22 AM
Rats are also capable of understand that Apple gear is over expensive rubbish....  when did you ever see a rat use an iPhone?
 
2014-06-10 07:15:09 AM

Emposter: Those investment bankers are going to take home more money than you'll ever see in your life just this year for making what subby calls bad decisions.  Sounds like a good decision to me.  Bad for YOU, of course, but the rats don't care about you either.


Gee it's almost as if you think bringing home a lot of money is the measure of a person's worth in life.
 
2014-06-10 07:23:19 AM
I'm having this vision of rows investment banker in hamster wheels at the gym.
 
2014-06-10 07:24:50 AM
That is one of the best headlines I've seen in some time.  Congratulations.
 
2014-06-10 09:12:46 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Emposter: Those investment bankers are going to take home more money than you'll ever see in your life just this year for making what subby calls bad decisions.  Sounds like a good decision to me.  Bad for YOU, of course, but the rats don't care about you either.

Gee it's almost as if you think bringing home a lot of money is the measure of a person's worth in life.




It probably is to some people, like investment bankers
 
2014-06-10 09:35:35 AM
I was agreeing at rats feel. The remorse puts them two steps ahead.
 
2014-06-10 09:44:21 AM
And of course, this whole derail over bankers misses the important fact we glean from the article.

That regret is a basic and primary learning mechanism in the brain, not a deep human experience that requires our big brains and hindsight.   It also leads me to conclude that regret is probably one of the best tools to shape human behavior, if we ever want to get serious on the idea of reform.
 
2014-06-10 09:53:13 AM
Two of my previous rats were a rescue case, and occasionally one of them would just turn and bite - then immediately go super affectionate, licking and adopting submissive postures. That is something I would interpret as regret or perhaps remorse.
I know my border collie would show remorse on the very few times he nipped me, cuddling in and licking and generally being stupidly affectionate.

Rats are awesome pets. Super clean, super smart, and if you socialise them properly, super friendly and playful.

Also, both the rats from the aforementioned mischief, as well as the mischief following them, trained me to do something; They'd stand on my shoulder, bite the sleeve, and tug it upwards as a signal for "take me back to the cage". I have no idea how they learnt that, I didn't teach them that, it just...happened.
 
2014-06-10 10:18:12 AM
So far rats are spared the pressure of getting married. That will change when rat anti-depressants come on the market.
 
2014-06-10 10:45:38 AM
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2014-06-10 11:18:30 AM
... investment-bankers .. Congress
 
2014-06-10 11:24:19 AM
Nicely done, subby -- I chuckled.
 
2014-06-10 11:50:42 AM

Humorous-Name: Two of my previous rats were a rescue case, and occasionally one of them would just turn and bite - then immediately go super affectionate, licking and adopting submissive postures. That is something I would interpret as regret or perhaps remorse.
I know my border collie would show remorse on the very few times he nipped me, cuddling in and licking and generally being stupidly affectionate.

Rats are awesome pets. Super clean, super smart, and if you socialise them properly, super friendly and playful.

Also, both the rats from the aforementioned mischief, as well as the mischief following them, trained me to do something; They'd stand on my shoulder, bite the sleeve, and tug it upwards as a signal for "take me back to the cage". I have no idea how they learnt that, I didn't teach them that, it just...happened.


I'd take a rat in a heartbeat over anything reptilian.
 
2014-06-10 12:15:15 PM
Well, would you feel remorse if you were playing with monopoly money and the government hedged your losses so that it didn't come out of your bonus?
 
2014-06-10 12:24:01 PM
How many dead by their own hand bankers would it take to prove you wrong subby?
 
2014-06-10 12:24:40 PM
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2014-06-10 12:25:34 PM
And more and more it seems like little bruxbeasts are more like us than we realised.  First we find rats laugh, now we know rats do have regret over picking the Dorito over the mac and cheese.  Makes the little guys (and gals) more fascinating IMHO, and now I'm missing being owned by rats...
 
2014-06-10 12:26:21 PM
I declare this a Raturday thread

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2014-06-10 12:30:07 PM

Great Porn Dragon: And more and more it seems like little bruxbeasts are more like us than we realised.  First we find rats laugh, now we know rats do have regret over picking the Dorito over the mac and cheese.  Makes the little guys (and gals) more fascinating IMHO, and now I'm missing being owned by rats...


On the downside, it's been my experience that they tend to live just long enough to REALLY get attached to them.  After a lot heartache and wishing the little fellas and gals godspeed across the rainbow bridge after having spent just a few short years with them, I'm just done.  Done.  :/
 
2014-06-10 02:09:46 PM
I submitted a similar link with this headline: "Like humans, rats are able to mentally, not just physically, experience the regret that comes with eating Taco Bell "
 
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