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2014-06-09 02:45:50 PM
OK then.  Let's play the fun game the GOP seems to be so fond of:   How will these services be paid for?
 
2014-06-09 02:51:10 PM

Diogenes: OK then.  Let's play the fun game the GOP seems to be so fond of:   How will these services be paid for?


"House Bill 1274, sponsored by state Rep. Austin Badon (D)..."

It's got support from both sides of the aisle in Louisiana. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's not something the GOP is solely responsible for. I'll have to look up the vote to see how much it got from the Democrats, but it passed pretty easily.

This legislative session has been a train wreck.
 
2014-06-09 02:54:44 PM
Well, the Louisiana Legislature's website doesn't give the party affiliation on the vote counts, but it had 95 yeas, 0 nays, and 9 absent in the House and 31 yeas, 2 nays, and 6 absent in the Senate. Wow.
 
2014-06-09 02:55:04 PM
To play god?

Seriously, who in their right mind would want to be kept alive when you are brain dead? Hell, smother me with a pillow if I have a bad hangover.
 
2014-06-09 02:55:49 PM

PreMortem: To play god?

Seriously, who in their right mind would want to be kept alive when you are brain dead? Hell, smother me with a pillow if I have a bad hangover.


I think many pregnant women would want to be kept alive to save their baby, but then I don't know that this law is a good idea.
 
2014-06-09 03:01:55 PM

Nabb1: Diogenes: OK then.  Let's play the fun game the GOP seems to be so fond of:   How will these services be paid for?

"House Bill 1274, sponsored by state Rep. Austin Badon (D)..."

It's got support from both sides of the aisle in Louisiana. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's not something the GOP is solely responsible for. I'll have to look up the vote to see how much it got from the Democrats, but it passed pretty easily.

This legislative session has been a train wreck.


Can't really say I'm all that surprised.  Disappointed.  I hate to say it this way, but consider the state in which they are representatives.  And I mean no personal offense, of course.  Remember where I live ;-)

Nabb1: I think many pregnant women would want to be kept alive to save their baby, but then I don't know that this law is a good idea.


It should be the person's choice.  Either through medical directives or through their spouses and families.  It's not a perfect answer and will not work cleanly in every possible case, but it's better than having that choice denied by your government.

So weird.  We've moved from Death Panels to Life Panels.
 
2014-06-09 03:04:25 PM

Diogenes: Can't really say I'm all that surprised.  Disappointed.  I hate to say it this way, but consider the state in which they are representatives.  And I mean no personal offense, of course.  Remember where I live ;-)


If you take a map of Louisiana and draw a circle with about a fifteen mile radius around the Super Dome, that's pretty much my comfort zone in this state. Beyond that, I take no responsibility for it. And once you get to NW Louisiana, you can just write "Here there be monsters" on the map and leave it at that.
 
2014-06-09 03:05:00 PM
Except Acadiana. Acadiana is cool. Nice folks. Wonderful food. Amazing culture.
 
2014-06-09 03:23:21 PM
Any fetus of a woman who is brain dead has a high likelihood of severe insults to there own health status due to whatever mom died of. Either the trauma that caused her death or the decay in her status due to the brain death.
 
2014-06-09 03:24:20 PM

PreMortem: To play god?

Seriously, who in their right mind would want to be kept alive when you are brain dead? Hell, smother me with a pillow if I have a bad hangover.


I don't think I'd want anything when I'm brain dead.  'Cause my brain's dead.

But if I'm brain dead, and it's somehow free, hell yeah, keep that body chugging along and maybe they can duct tape my brain back together in the future and I'll get some cool job as a delivery boy in a spaceship.

I mean, if I'm brain dead as it is, it's not like I give a shiat that things aren't great in the interim.
 
2014-06-09 03:32:09 PM

Nabb1: Diogenes: Can't really say I'm all that surprised.  Disappointed.  I hate to say it this way, but consider the state in which they are representatives.  And I mean no personal offense, of course.  Remember where I live ;-)

If you take a map of Louisiana and draw a circle with about a fifteen mile radius around the Super Dome, that's pretty much my comfort zone in this state. Beyond that, I take no responsibility for it. And once you get to NW Louisiana, you can just write "Here there be monsters" on the map and leave it at that.


Covington's ok. They opened a new Chimes location up there with a big elevated deck that overlooks the Tchefuncte, and has tame goats wandering around for some reason. Good food, lots of reasonably priced craft beers.

It gives me an excuse to drive up there to file stuff when I don't feel like sitting in my office past lunch.

I like Acadiana too. I've been spending more and more time out there. I do the occasional Mardi Gras in Eunice for a change of pace. As you said, good food; good people.

As to the topic, the legislature passed an amendment to the living will statute after the whole Schivo incident, basically requiring the principal affirmatively to elect NOT to receive hydration and nutrition.

I'm not sure how this new law will effect the clusterfark the legislature has already made for living wills, except that it gives me another excuse to charge more to do them.
 
2014-06-09 03:37:22 PM

Relatively Obscure: I don't think I'd want anything when I'm brain dead. 'Cause my brain's dead.But if I'm brain dead, and it's somehow free, hell yeah, keep that body chugging along and maybe they can duct tape my brain back together in the future and I'll get some cool job as a delivery boy in a spaceship.I mean, if I'm brain dead as it is, it's not like I give a shiat that things aren't great in the interim


It isn't about you. It's about the state forcing your family, against their will, to endure the nightmare of your corpse being kept in stasis for months in order to serve as an incubator for a baby that will almost certainly die anyway.

Because that's what small, unobtrusive government is all about.
 
2014-06-09 03:41:35 PM
Is he expected to heroically helicopter in at the 11th hour to sign it?
 
2014-06-09 03:47:17 PM

gilgigamesh: Relatively Obscure: I don't think I'd want anything when I'm brain dead. 'Cause my brain's dead.But if I'm brain dead, and it's somehow free, hell yeah, keep that body chugging along and maybe they can duct tape my brain back together in the future and I'll get some cool job as a delivery boy in a spaceship.I mean, if I'm brain dead as it is, it's not like I give a shiat that things aren't great in the interim

It isn't about you. It's about the state forcing your family, against their will, to endure the nightmare of your corpse being kept in stasis for months in order to serve as an incubator for a baby that will almost certainly die anyway.

Because that's what small, unobtrusive government is all about.


The question I answered was very specifically about me.
 
2014-06-09 04:08:48 PM
Lucky has a machine to breath for her, and here I am using my own lungs like a sucker...
 
2014-06-09 04:11:37 PM
Small government!
 
2014-06-09 04:20:08 PM

Nabb1: And once you get to NW Louisiana, you can just write "Here there be monsters" on the map and leave it at that.


In fairness, you can do that with quite a few areas in the US. In NJ, that would be the Pine Barrens and parts of the Delaware Water Gap.
 
2014-06-09 04:48:30 PM

Diogenes: OK then. Let's play the fun game the GOP seems to be so fond of: How will these services be paid for?


Came here to ask this. The bill doesn't specify.

This is just asking for someone to get hit with the worst triple whammy: Hooray, you wife's dead! Hooray, the life+health insurance doesn't fully cover the 3 months of life support, so now you're bankrupt! Hooray, the fetus she was carrying was severely oxygen deprived, and will live a sickly, costly life that is far shorter than normal life expectancy and requires constant care! Which you have to do as a single parent! The state of Louisiana says "you're welcome."
 
2014-06-09 04:52:24 PM

nmrsnr: Diogenes: OK then. Let's play the fun game the GOP seems to be so fond of: How will these services be paid for?

Came here to ask this. The bill doesn't specify.

This is just asking for someone to get hit with the worst triple whammy: Hooray, you wife's dead! Hooray, the life+health insurance doesn't fully cover the 3 months of life support, so now you're bankrupt! Hooray, the fetus she was carrying was severely oxygen deprived, and will live a sickly, costly life that is far shorter than normal life expectancy and requires constant care! Which you have to do as a single parent! The state of Louisiana says "you're welcome."


It will be paid for by more tax cuts. Haven't you two learned anything?
 
2014-06-09 05:15:45 PM

Nabb1: Diogenes: Can't really say I'm all that surprised.  Disappointed.  I hate to say it this way, but consider the state in which they are representatives.  And I mean no personal offense, of course.  Remember where I live ;-)

If you take a map of Louisiana and draw a circle with about a fifteen mile radius around the Super Dome, that's pretty much my comfort zone in this state. Beyond that, I take no responsibility for it. And once you get to NW Louisiana, you can just write "Here there be monsters" on the map and leave it at that.



I lived in that shiathole for five long years I did...


/City maintenance ends where 'da po' people at.
 
2014-06-09 05:30:29 PM
Is Bobby a secret Tleilaxu?
 
2014-06-09 05:32:27 PM

Nabb1: PreMortem: To play god?

Seriously, who in their right mind would want to be kept alive when you are brain dead? Hell, smother me with a pillow if I have a bad hangover.

I think many pregnant women would want to be kept alive to save their baby, but then I don't know that this law is a good idea.


Such things can be handled on a per-patient basis. There's no need to insert the Louisiana state government between a family and their doctor.
 
2014-06-09 05:32:36 PM
This sounds like the state legislature is full of people that want to keep the brain dear around for easy raping.
 
2014-06-09 05:35:36 PM

NuttierThanEver: Any fetus of a woman who is brain dead has a high likelihood of severe insults to there own health status due to whatever mom died of. Either the trauma that caused her death or the decay in her status due to the brain death.


Shhhh, that's how Jindal plans to widen the GOP fan base. This is part of his master plan.
 
2014-06-09 05:35:38 PM

Smeggy Smurf: This sounds like the state legislature is full of people that want to keep the brain dear around for easy raping.


But remember if it's legitimate rape, the brain has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
 
2014-06-09 05:36:42 PM
These are the "Government should not be involved with healthcare decisions" Republicans right?
 
2014-06-09 05:36:51 PM

vernonFL: Small government!


So small it fits in your uterus.
 
2014-06-09 05:37:51 PM

Corvus: These are the "Government should not be involved with healthcare decisions" Republicans right?


Yup. Unless they are doing God's Will. Then they can do whatever they want.
 
2014-06-09 05:39:36 PM
So the child of a zombie mother is about to be born...in LOUISIANA? Oh this will end well.
 
2014-06-09 05:39:43 PM
Party of Small Government not interfering with you and your doctor for the Win!!
 
2014-06-09 05:41:01 PM

Mikey1969: NuttierThanEver: Any fetus of a woman who is brain dead has a high likelihood of severe insults to there own health status due to whatever mom died of. Either the trauma that caused her death or the decay in her status due to the brain death.

Shhhh, that's how Jindal plans to widen the GOP fan base. This is part of his master plan.


Not a very good master plan if most of those new voters are too sickly to survive to voting age.
 
2014-06-09 05:42:53 PM
"Do we really want to pull the plug of that healthy baby?" Badon said during debates

www.thewhirlingwind.com

If Louisiana wants to make sure that they can get a pregnant woman all hooked up to machines within the ~5 minutes (or less) it takes for lack of oxygen, etc to really do some fetal damage - and make sure that they're not purposefully reanimating a dying one (a more hellish existence I could not imagine - essentially, willed into life to satisfy some legislator's dogma, while that very same existence, as well as those of my caregivers, is looked down upon as "leeching" and not adequately paid for, to boot).

I'm guessing that safeguards for fetal health - making sure they're not simply hooking some tissue up to wires and watching it grow, like some Frankenstinian horror - are nonexistent, if present at all.
 
2014-06-09 05:43:22 PM
Jindal's decisions over the past couple of years make more sense when you see that they're made with the eye of winning what will be the derpiest presidential primary ever.
 
2014-06-09 05:43:49 PM
Yay! let's torture the father and wreck his finances for a non-viable child!
 
2014-06-09 05:45:08 PM
Legally and medically, a "brain dead" individual is deceased. A deceased individual has no "life" to be sustained. Therefore, a judge could rule that termination of life sustaining treatment to a brain dead corpse does not violate the law.
 
2014-06-09 05:46:53 PM
People in OKlahoma say Thank God for Mississippi and Louisiana.
 
2014-06-09 05:47:19 PM
How often does something like this happen?

How many brain dead pregnant women could be in this situation?
 
2014-06-09 05:48:26 PM

vernonFL: How often does something like this happen?

How many brain dead pregnant women could be in this situation?


I have failed to resist the urge to say "All those married to a Jindal supporter".
 
2014-06-09 05:50:34 PM
Again, just part of the political theater.  Plays well for the base but he knows it will be stuck down by the courts.
 
2014-06-09 05:50:45 PM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: Diogenes: Can't really say I'm all that surprised.  Disappointed.  I hate to say it this way, but consider the state in which they are representatives.  And I mean no personal offense, of course.  Remember where I live ;-)

If you take a map of Louisiana and draw a circle with about a fifteen mile radius around the Super Dome, that's pretty much my comfort zone in this state. Beyond that, I take no responsibility for it. And once you get to NW Louisiana, you can just write "Here there be monsters" on the map and leave it at that.

Covington's ok. They opened a new Chimes location up there with a big elevated deck that overlooks the Tchefuncte, and has tame goats wandering around for some reason. Good food, lots of reasonably priced craft beers.

It gives me an excuse to drive up there to file stuff when I don't feel like sitting in my office past lunch.

I like Acadiana too. I've been spending more and more time out there. I do the occasional Mardi Gras in Eunice for a change of pace. As you said, good food; good people.

As to the topic, the legislature passed an amendment to the living will statute after the whole Schivo incident, basically requiring the principal affirmatively to elect NOT to receive hydration and nutrition.

I'm not sure how this new law will effect the clusterfark the legislature has already made for living wills, except that it gives me another excuse to charge more to do them.


My comfort zone is roughly south of Highway 190.  There is a bit of wiggle room north here and there, but its a pretty good rule of thumb.  I-10 works as a boundary for those that want to look at big blue lines on the map.
 
2014-06-09 05:50:53 PM

vernonFL: How often does something like this happen?

How many brain dead pregnant women could be in this situation?


All it takes is one highly-publicized case to trigger a moral panic.  In this case, the trigger was a dead woman in Texas who was on life support because some judge believed that her unborn child might somehow make it to term.
 
2014-06-09 05:53:12 PM

anfrind: Mikey1969: NuttierThanEver: Any fetus of a woman who is brain dead has a high likelihood of severe insults to there own health status due to whatever mom died of. Either the trauma that caused her death or the decay in her status due to the brain death.

Shhhh, that's how Jindal plans to widen the GOP fan base. This is part of his master plan.

Not a very good master plan if most of those new voters are too sickly to survive to voting age.


Yeah, but every one of them that DOES manage to survive will be a GOP voter and won't be able to learn from his/her mistakes, so extra votes will trump all. Besides, he's not paying for this medical care, so they are just free votes.
 
2014-06-09 05:54:24 PM

Dr Dreidel: "Do we really want to pull the plug of that healthy baby?" Badon said during debates

[www.thewhirlingwind.com image 320x240]

If Louisiana wants to make sure that they can get a pregnant woman all hooked up to machines within the ~5 minutes (or less) it takes for lack of oxygen, etc to really do some fetal damage - and make sure that they're not purposefully reanimating a dying one (a more hellish existence I could not imagine - essentially, willed into life to satisfy some legislator's dogma, while that very same existence, as well as those of my caregivers, is looked down upon as "leeching" and not adequately paid for, to boot).

I'm guessing that safeguards for fetal health - making sure they're not simply hooking some tissue up to wires and watching it grow, like some Frankenstinian horror - are nonexistent, if present at all.


A good point. The obvious solution is to have agents of the state constantly monitoring all pregnant women in the state, in order to ensure that, should they suffer any misfortune, the women can be hooked up to life-support machines quickly.

Of course, now that I think about it, there are cases where women can be pregnant without knowing they're pregnant. We'll need to have agents of the state following around all post-puberty, pre-menopausal women just in case they end up pregnant.

Unfortunately, I've hit on another flaw. The agents will need to be trained medical professionals, and have easy access to the necessary equipment at all times. Wait! What if we just grouped all the women who would be covered under this in one place with the medical professionals and the equipment? Of course, we'd need to make sure the women couldn't leave, so we'll need a few guards and various other security measures...
 
2014-06-09 05:55:40 PM
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2014-06-09 05:55:56 PM

anfrind: vernonFL: How often does something like this happen?

How many brain dead pregnant women could be in this situation?

All it takes is one highly-publicized case to trigger a moral panic.  In this case, the trigger was a dead woman in Texas who was on life support because some judge believed that her unborn child might somehow make it to term.


I thought it was the other way around; the hospital decided that, against the express wishes of the family, and the judge that heard the case basically said "Seriously, what the fark were you thinking" to the hospital. Of course, the hospital didn't really face any consequences, and by the time the case was heard the damage had already been done, but there you go.
 
2014-06-09 05:56:23 PM
And anything outside Orleans Parish and certain parts of Acadiana and Abita might as well be part of the tard states that surround Louisiana
 
2014-06-09 05:57:03 PM
...the spice must flow!
 
2014-06-09 05:58:24 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: [img.fark.net image 323x371]


You magnificent bastard
 
2014-06-09 05:59:11 PM
Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Can't have no women folk gainin', now, can we?
 
2014-06-09 06:01:31 PM

anfrind: All it takes is one highly-publicized case to trigger a moral panic.  In this case, the trigger was a dead woman in Texas who was on life support because some judge believed that her unborn child might somehow make it to term.


See also: morons thinking mass shootings are the major thing on which gun laws should be based, morons thinking vaccines cause Autism because one celebrity's kid coincidentally showed autism symptoms after being vaccinated, morons that support the war on terror because terrorists got lucky enough to hit a target of real magnitude once, anyone that believes any anti-drug scare anecdote, etc.

Basically there are a lot of stupid people that vote and they're even worse with statistics than they are with logic in general.
 
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