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(American Thinker)   Obama should not have released the 5 worst terrorists in Gitmo in return for a traitor. Instead, he should have explored releasing the 15 worst, handing over some cash, and an insurgent to be named later   (americanthinker.com ) divider line
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2014-06-09 10:10:59 AM  
Let's release them all. We can start with the 78 cleared for release since 2010.
 
2014-06-09 10:12:30 AM  
How about this: we close that torture factory in Gitmo, release those who are no longer a danger to us, and put the ones who are in the actual prison system?
 
2014-06-09 10:13:18 AM  
But Obama didn't negotiate at all! He bent over backwards for the Taliban and gave them everything they wanted!
 
2014-06-09 10:18:11 AM  

jake_lex: How about this: we close that torture factory in Gitmo, release those who are no longer a danger to us, and put the ones who are in the actual prison system?


Closing Gitmo would be nothing more than a symbolic move.  The latter is the real thing we need to get to.  Are they prisoners of war?  Are they accused of a crime?  The fact that we can't seem to decide their status has been troubling through 2 administrations.
 
2014-06-09 10:44:34 AM  
Keep farking that potato, patriots.
 
2014-06-09 10:49:49 AM  
Now that we find out Bergdahl is claiming to have been tortured and kept in a cage, who becomes the first Republican to play the "what took so long?" card?
 
2014-06-09 11:06:54 AM  

nekom: jake_lex: How about this: we close that torture factory in Gitmo, release those who are no longer a danger to us, and put the ones who are in the actual prison system?

Closing Gitmo would be nothing more than a symbolic move.  The latter is the real thing we need to get to.  Are they prisoners of war?  Are they accused of a crime?  The fact that we can't seem to decide their status has been troubling through 2 administrations.

"President Bush, Fleischer said, had decided that the Geneva Convention of 1949 applies to the conflict with the Taliban in Afghanistan, but not to the conflict with Al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan or anywhere else. He also determined that Taliban detainees do not meet the convention's criteria for prisoner of war status."


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Since the previous administration stated that the Taliban detainees were recognized as lawful combatants (but not given full POW status), we would have to release them at the end of hostilities, in accordance with the Geneva Convention.  Right now, the plan is for all U.S. troops (except for some advisers and their security and support personnel) tentatively January 1st, 2015.

So...these guys got out six months early.
 
2014-06-09 11:14:26 AM  
Sgt Otter:
Since the previous administration stated that the Taliban detainees were recognized as lawful combatants (but not given full POW status), we would have to release them at the end of hostilities, in accordance with the Geneva Convention.  Right now, the plan is for all U.S. troops (except for some advisers and their security and support personnel) tentatively January 1st, 2015.

So...these guys got out six months early.


Right, that's the Taliban, and I suppose it makes sense to call them lawful combatants as they do at least belong to what was a government.  I have no problem with the exchange.  It's the "other" detainees who seem to be in legal limbo in a state of indefinite detention that bothers me.  I think that they either need to be classified as prisoners of war or charged with some crime (even if it's only conspiracy) or released.  I guess the question is what in the hell is the endgame here for them?
 
2014-06-09 11:17:15 AM  

Sgt Otter: nekom: jake_lex: How about this: we close that torture factory in Gitmo, release those who are no longer a danger to us, and put the ones who are in the actual prison system?

Closing Gitmo would be nothing more than a symbolic move.  The latter is the real thing we need to get to.  Are they prisoners of war?  Are they accused of a crime?  The fact that we can't seem to decide their status has been troubling through 2 administrations.

"President Bush, Fleischer said, had decided that the Geneva Convention of 1949 applies to the conflict with the Taliban in Afghanistan, but not to the conflict with Al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan or anywhere else. He also determined that Taliban detainees do not meet the convention's criteria for prisoner of war status."

Link

Since the previous administration stated that the Taliban detainees were recognized as lawful combatants (but not given full POW status), we would have to release them at the end of hostilities, in accordance with the Geneva Convention.  Right now, the plan is for all U.S. troops (except for some advisers and their security and support personnel) tentatively January 1st, 2015.

So...these guys got out six months early.


...and watched by Qatar for a year, so under watch for 6 months longer than they would have been.
 
2014-06-09 11:37:15 AM  

nekom: Sgt Otter:
Since the previous administration stated that the Taliban detainees were recognized as lawful combatants (but not given full POW status), we would have to release them at the end of hostilities, in accordance with the Geneva Convention.  Right now, the plan is for all U.S. troops (except for some advisers and their security and support personnel) tentatively January 1st, 2015.

So...these guys got out six months early.

Right, that's the Taliban, and I suppose it makes sense to call them lawful combatants as they do at least belong to what was a government.  I have no problem with the exchange.  It's the "other" detainees who seem to be in legal limbo in a state of indefinite detention that bothers me.  I think that they either need to be classified as prisoners of war or charged with some crime (even if it's only conspiracy) or released.  I guess the question is what in the hell is the endgame here for them?


It really disturbs me as an American that we have basically a legal limbo gulag.  If the Al Qaida dudes really were the "worst of the worst, slam dunk, no questions about it, murdering terrorists" we should have sent them to the Hague (or at least to a federal prosecutor in New York) a decade ago.
 
2014-06-09 11:39:37 AM  
So now their OK with Wikileaks?
 
2014-06-09 11:48:48 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: So now their OK with Wikileaks?


they're.  THEY'RE.   Idiot.
 
2014-06-09 11:50:04 AM  

Sgt Otter: It really disturbs me as an American that we have basically a legal limbo gulag.


I feel like the people that set up this system either (a) didn't know what they were doing and didn't think it all the way through or (b) knew exactly what they were doing and did think it all the way through.
 
2014-06-09 12:33:01 PM  
I'm assuming Ironic refers to American Thinker (seeing as how Drew hasn't approved the false advertising tag yet)
 
2014-06-09 12:33:13 PM  
Obama hates the Cubs subby, that's a trade they would make.
 
2014-06-09 12:34:26 PM  
i literally can't figure out the point this article is trying to make
 
2014-06-09 12:35:19 PM  

jake_lex: How about this: we close that torture factory in Gitmo, release those who are no longer a danger to us, and put the ones who are in the actual prison system?


Congress made all of that illegal in a war funding bill that Obama had to sign.  During two wars. Niiiiiiiice.
 
2014-06-09 12:35:54 PM  
another greenlight by the purveyors of hate speech at Merkin Stinker, nice work mods get them that ad revenue.
 
2014-06-09 12:36:37 PM  
Another turd from the Stinker? Cut back on the fiber, admins.
 
2014-06-09 12:36:41 PM  
Theo Epstein for president?
 
2014-06-09 12:39:22 PM  
Why did it take Obama so long to do this thing he shouldn't have done?
 
2014-06-09 12:39:37 PM  

nekom: Sgt Otter:
Since the previous administration stated that the Taliban detainees were recognized as lawful combatants (but not given full POW status), we would have to release them at the end of hostilities, in accordance with the Geneva Convention.  Right now, the plan is for all U.S. troops (except for some advisers and their security and support personnel) tentatively January 1st, 2015.

So...these guys got out six months early.

Right, that's the Taliban, and I suppose it makes sense to call them lawful combatants as they do at least belong to what was a government.  I have no problem with the exchange.  It's the "other" detainees who seem to be in legal limbo in a state of indefinite detention that bothers me.  I think that they either need to be classified as prisoners of war or charged with some crime (even if it's only conspiracy) or released.  I guess the question is what in the hell is the endgame here for them?



At least for the American Gitmo detainees, release is the only option. I don't think any judge would argue that their right to a speedy trial was violated.

By the way, has anyone verified this "worst of the worst" thing, or is that still just a parroted talking point courtesy of Launchpad McCain and the Southern Dandy?
 
2014-06-09 12:39:41 PM  

Jackson Herring: i literally can't figure out the point this article is trying to make


Obama is bad
 
2014-06-09 12:39:41 PM  
I will barf if I click that link. Can someone with a stronger stomach please summarize the derp?
 
2014-06-09 12:39:48 PM  
Pretty soon the GOP will be arguing that we should trade our troops for turrists, thus replacing them and winning the war! What could go wrong?
 
2014-06-09 12:40:12 PM  
FTFA:  "But the Wikileaks docs reveal that within a very short time of Bergdahl's desertion, the Taliban was willing to trade him for a lot less:"

That may have been a very expensive statement.  I can only hope.
 
2014-06-09 12:40:42 PM  

Sgt Otter: or at least to a federal prosecutor in New York) a decade ago.


Obama and Holder tried that part. The right wing, of course, threw a shiat fit.
 
2014-06-09 12:42:43 PM  

Bloody William: But Obama didn't negotiate at all! He bent over backwards for the Taliban and gave them everything they wanted!


Given his past history of negotiations.... mayhaps Obama was in the dark the whole tine on this deal.  I would imagine if he was involved the deal would have been for 30 prisoners and the declaration that if the 1st amd did not prohibit it the US should have Sharia.
 
2014-06-09 12:43:45 PM  
General Zod, Faora, and Quex-Ul were 3 of these super terrorists, right?  What were the other 2 again?  Why don't we send Iron Man after them?  After all, to beat these mystical demons, shouldn't we use mythical superheros?
 
2014-06-09 12:44:22 PM  

AspectRatio: I will barf if I click that link. Can someone with a stronger stomach please summarize the derp?


I have yet to see a headline for a link to either the American Thinker, Townhall, or WND which was not completely summarized in the headline.

In this case, the author seems to be complaining that Obama did not accept a trade for Sgt. Bergdahl when he was first capture, when the terms were for 15 members of the Taliban in Gitmo and an unspecified amount of money.
 
2014-06-09 12:51:06 PM  

AspectRatio: I will barf if I click that link. Can someone with a stronger stomach please summarize the derp?


The headline is actually a pretty good summary.  Obama is bad because he passed up an earlier opportunity to trade 15 Gitmo detainees and cash for Bergdahl, and settled for trading 5 and no money.

So he should have taken the earlier deal that "conservatives" would have hated even more...or something.
 
2014-06-09 12:52:47 PM  
You know, they probably would have given Bergdahl back had Obama promised to burn down the White House and ordered a nuclear strike on Israel.

Why did 0bama have to rush this? Why didn't he consider the alternatives?
 
2014-06-09 12:53:01 PM  

2wolves: FTFA:  "But the Wikileaks docs reveal that within a very short time of Bergdahl's desertion, the Taliban was willing to trade him for a lot less:"

That may have been a very expensive statement.  I can only hope.


Is it irresponsuble to speculate? It's irresponsible not to speculate!

/his dad has a hell of a case already.
 
2014-06-09 12:54:48 PM  

Sgt Otter: It really disturbs me as an American that we have basically a legal limbo gulag.  If the Al Qaida dudes really were the "worst of the worst, slam dunk, no questions about it, murdering terrorists" we should have sent them to the Hague (or at least to a federal prosecutor in New York) a decade ago.


I think one of the concerns is that any evidence against them would be outside standard collection techniques, that the chain of custody is completely farked between here and Afghanistan, or that any evidence not under the first two was attained via classified techniques.

Which isn't to say we should still hold them.  I'm in the camp that it's un-American to hold them without charges, trial, or simple due process.
 
2014-06-09 01:00:40 PM  
"I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Barack Hussein Obama.
 
2014-06-09 01:02:32 PM  

stoli n coke: By the way, has anyone verified this "worst of the worst" thing, or is that still just a parroted talking point courtesy of Launchpad McCain and the Southern Dandy?


Actually debunked by the top prosecutor at Gitmo.

"That's news to retired Air Force Col. Morris Davis, who was the former top prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay.
"My role as chief prosecutor was to review the information we had on the detainees to determine which ones we could potentially bring war crimes charges against," Col. Davis told MSNBC over the weekend
 
 "When I saw the names of the five individuals, when they were reported last weekend, my first reaction was who are they," he said. "I never saw the names before, which means there was not enough information to even make it on our list of potential prosecution."
"We were told everyone at Guantanamo Bay was the worst of the worst," said Davis, echoing McCain's description of the five. "But of the 779 men we took there, more than 80 percent have gone home; more than 500 of those during the [George W.] Bush administration.""

 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/0608/Taliban-swapped-fo r- Bowe-Bergdahl-Responsible-for-911-or-a-pretty-good-deal-video?
 
2014-06-09 01:02:43 PM  
I'm holding out for a third round draft pick.
 
2014-06-09 01:03:08 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-06-09 01:10:58 PM  
ASll right, what happened to those nice farkers who used to copy/pasts the content of these stories? There was a ClownHall today, too...

I finally remembered to check the board BEFORE clicking, and I still can't win. :-)
 
2014-06-09 01:11:01 PM  

2wolves: FTFA:  "But the Wikileaks docs reveal that within a very short time of Bergdahl's desertion, the Taliban was willing to trade him for a lot less:"

That may have been a very expensive statement.  I can only hope.


Does libel even apply to the internet?
 
2014-06-09 01:12:40 PM  

Karac: AspectRatio: I will barf if I click that link. Can someone with a stronger stomach please summarize the derp?

I have yet to see a headline for a link to either the American Thinker, Townhall, or WND which was not completely summarized in the headline.

In this case, the author seems to be complaining that Obama did not accept a trade for Sgt. Bergdahl when he was first capture, when the terms were for 15 members of the Taliban in Gitmo and an unspecified amount of money.


Lionel Mandrake: The headline is actually a pretty good summary.  Obama is bad because he passed up an earlier opportunity to trade 15 Gitmo detainees and cash for Bergdahl, and settled for trading 5 and no money.

So he should have taken the earlier deal that "conservatives" would have hated even more...or something.


Thanks comrades.
 
2014-06-09 01:14:20 PM  

thehobbes: stoli n coke: By the way, has anyone verified this "worst of the worst" thing, or is that still just a parroted talking point courtesy of Launchpad McCain and the Southern Dandy?

Actually debunked by the top prosecutor at Gitmo.

"That's news to retired Air Force Col. Morris Davis, who was the former top prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay.
"My role as chief prosecutor was to review the information we had on the detainees to determine which ones we could potentially bring war crimes charges against," Col. Davis told MSNBC over the weekend
 
 "When I saw the names of the five individuals, when they were reported last weekend, my first reaction was who are they," he said. "I never saw the names before, which means there was not enough information to even make it on our list of potential prosecution."
"We were told everyone at Guantanamo Bay was the worst of the worst," said Davis, echoing McCain's description of the five. "But of the 779 men we took there, more than 80 percent have gone home; more than 500 of those during the [George W.] Bush administration.""
 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/0608/Taliban-swapped-fo r- Bowe-Bergdahl-Responsible-for-911-or-a-pretty-good-deal-video?


That right there will be enough for Republicans to ignore the entire story.
 
2014-06-09 01:34:02 PM  

thehobbes: stoli n coke: By the way, has anyone verified this "worst of the worst" thing, or is that still just a parroted talking point courtesy of Launchpad McCain and the Southern Dandy?

Actually debunked by the top prosecutor at Gitmo.

"That's news to retired Air Force Col. Morris Davis, who was the former top prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay.
"My role as chief prosecutor was to review the information we had on the detainees to determine which ones we could potentially bring war crimes charges against," Col. Davis told MSNBC over the weekend
 
 "When I saw the names of the five individuals, when they were reported last weekend, my first reaction was who are they," he said. "I never saw the names before, which means there was not enough information to even make it on our list of potential prosecution."
"We were told everyone at Guantanamo Bay was the worst of the worst," said Davis, echoing McCain's description of the five. "But of the 779 men we took there, more than 80 percent have gone home; more than 500 of those during the [George W.] Bush administration.""
 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/0608/Taliban-swapped-fo r- Bowe-Bergdahl-Responsible-for-911-or-a-pretty-good-deal-video?


I like Christian Science Monitor. They are a conservative publication that comes far closer to Fox News' stated goal than pretty much anyone else.
 
2014-06-09 01:36:18 PM  

born_yesterday: thehobbes: stoli n coke: By the way, has anyone verified this "worst of the worst" thing, or is that still just a parroted talking point courtesy of Launchpad McCain and the Southern Dandy?

Actually debunked by the top prosecutor at Gitmo.

"That's news to retired Air Force Col. Morris Davis, who was the former top prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay.
"My role as chief prosecutor was to review the information we had on the detainees to determine which ones we could potentially bring war crimes charges against," Col. Davis told MSNBC over the weekend
 
 "When I saw the names of the five individuals, when they were reported last weekend, my first reaction was who are they," he said. "I never saw the names before, which means there was not enough information to even make it on our list of potential prosecution."
"We were told everyone at Guantanamo Bay was the worst of the worst," said Davis, echoing McCain's description of the five. "But of the 779 men we took there, more than 80 percent have gone home; more than 500 of those during the [George W.] Bush administration.""
 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/0608/Taliban-swapped-fo r- Bowe-Bergdahl-Responsible-for-911-or-a-pretty-good-deal-video?

That right there will be enough for Republicans to ignore the entire story.


But I bet they'll accept THIS one:

For McCain, it was a terrible deal, made worse by the Obama administration's handling of it - failure to keep relevant House and Senate members in the loop, followed by an Oprah Winfrey-style Rose Garden event with Bergdahl's parents.
"They were judged time after time during their confinement in Guantanamo, they were evaluated and judged as too great a risk to release," he told CNN's Candy Crowley on Sunday.



It's not even which news organization they dislike anymore, it's just whichever one is currently critical of Obama in any way.
 
2014-06-09 01:42:19 PM  
The point is simple: there were other options - at least in 2009 right after Bergdahl was captured - to deal with the Taliban on a prisoner exchange that may not have involved releasing potentially dangerous Taliban terrorists.


Except for the 15 we would have traded, I guess...

Jesus, it's almost worth getting a login for the site and entering the 7 level of Hell to explain to these morons that 15 and money is actually GREATER THAN 5 and no money.
 
2014-06-09 01:43:23 PM  

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*TFers 1 through 17,938 piss in the well*
 
2014-06-09 01:49:45 PM  

thehobbes: stoli n coke: By the way, has anyone verified this "worst of the worst" thing, or is that still just a parroted talking point courtesy of Launchpad McCain and the Southern Dandy?

Actually debunked by the top prosecutor at Gitmo.

"That's news to retired Air Force Col. Morris Davis, who was the former top prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay.
"My role as chief prosecutor was to review the information we had on the detainees to determine which ones we could potentially bring war crimes charges against," Col. Davis told MSNBC over the weekend
 
 "When I saw the names of the five individuals, when they were reported last weekend, my first reaction was who are they," he said. "I never saw the names before, which means there was not enough information to even make it on our list of potential prosecution."
"We were told everyone at Guantanamo Bay was the worst of the worst," said Davis, echoing McCain's description of the five. "But of the 779 men we took there, more than 80 percent have gone home; more than 500 of those during the [George W.] Bush administration.""
 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2014/0608/Taliban-swapped-fo r- Bowe-Bergdahl-Responsible-for-911-or-a-pretty-good-deal-video?


One of the guys released worked for the CIA.
 
2014-06-09 01:54:54 PM  
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2014-06-09 01:57:22 PM  
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Unavailable for comment.
 
2014-06-09 01:58:19 PM  

jake_lex: How about this: we close that torture factory in Gitmo, release those who are no longer a danger to us, and put the ones who are in the actual prison system?


Under which law can you jail people because you don't like them?
 
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